Summer 2016 - NCRS-Mid Atlantic Chapter
Transcription
Summer 2016 - NCRS-Mid Atlantic Chapter
Signal Seeker Quarterly Newsletter of the Mid-Atlantic Chapter, National Corvette Restorers Society Ron Wilson’s 2017 engine build, museum delivery, C7R special edition Z06 Summer 2016 Volume 34, Number 2 MAC Schedule of Events, 2016 January 20-23 Florida Regional Lakeland, FL March 10-13 National Judging Retreat Grapevine, TX April 2 MAC Tech Session Klick Lewis Chevrolet Palmyra, PA April 21-24 Indiana Regional Auburn, IN (Auctions America) Spring Carlisle Carlisle, PA MAC Road Tour – VA Museum of Military Vehicles Restoration Facility - Nokesville, VA North Central Regional Rochester, MN Northwest Regional Bend, OR MAC Tech Session Zip Products, Mechanicsville, VA NCRS Road Tour – originating from central PA Organized by Bill Sangrey National Convention Warwick, RI MAC Chapter Judging Meet McCagh farm, Cumberland, MD Corvettes at Carlisle Carlisle, PA 15th Annual Picnic - Shippensburg, PA K.C and Sue Strawmyre (717-423-6735) Mike and Connie Hair (717-263-0792) April 20-24 May 14 May 19-21 June 2-4 June 11 July 11-16 July 17-22 August 12-13 August 25-28 August 27 September 10 Corvette Days (Charity Event) Sully Plantation, Chantilly VA September 22- 24 Ontario Regional Hamilton, Ontario Canada September 30 – October 4 Fall Carlisle Carlisle, PA October 8 MAC Tech Session Jack Evans Chevrolet, Front Royal, VA October 20-22 Texas Regional Frisco TX November12 MAC Annual Meeting Location: Hagerstown, MD December 2 2 Annual Holliday Party Shippensburg, PA MAC Membership Reid Newcomb Welcome New Members: For detailed contact information on new members, please contact Reid at newcomb.reid@comcast.net. We at MAC take great pride in welcoming our new members. Our chapter has been growing and striving to meet new challenges since 1982. Our members come from a variety of backgrounds, some with expertise on restorations, some with knowledge of Corvette history and some who just enjoy taking an occasional drive on a Sunday afternoon. Whatever your interests may be, please take some time to mark your calendar with our upcoming events and activities. As always, we look forward to seeing you and your family attending MAC events (your car or cars to be included of course). Should you have any membership questions, please call Reid Newcomb at (410) 742-3070, email newcomb.reid@comcast.net or contact any MAC officer. New Members since the last Signal Seeker: ? When you meet these great folks please greet them like the family they are. (: 3 MAC Signal Seeker Articles about chapter events and the members present technical subjects, and personal experiences present that would be of interest to the Mid-Atlantic Chapter (MAC) membership are welcome for inclusion in the Signal Seeker. In addition classified advertisements may be submitted for inclusion, space permitted. Email is the preferred means, but we have the ability to scan both text and pictures if you sent them by mail. Signal Seeker Schedule Issue Date Article Due Publish Date Spring Summer Fall Winter March 1 June 1 September 1 December 1 March 15 June 15 September 15 December 15 Business Card Advertising Business cards must be no larger than 2-inches by 3.5 inches. Yearly Rates: MAC members; $20.00, nonmembers; $30.00. Commercial Advertising Full Page Half Page Quarter Page 1/16 Page Full Year $250.00 $140.00 $ 75.00 $ 50.00 Single Issue $65.00 $35.00 $20.00 $15.00 Member Corvette related classified “wanted and parts for sale” are free; however, they cannot be carried over to the next issue unless requested before the issue deadline. Free advertisements should be submitted directly to the editor, not the treasurer. Thanks. In the beginning - 1954 Well, almost. The new - Tom and Kay Bulluck’s ‘72 Bow Tie 4 2016 MAC Board of Directors Elected officers Chairman Jerry Duffy duffey302@cox.net Vice Chairman Jim Board jboard@cox.net Treasurer Don Harris donh45@yahoo.com Secretary Steve Snyder steve_n_marie@comcast.net Judging Chairman Sam Neide sam.neide@verizon.net Northeastern Steve Ferry steve.ferry@verizon.net Southeastern Ken Hartzog corvette6976@cox.net Southwestern Bob Baird envcons@comcast.net Northwestern Ron Wilson wilball@comcast.net Regional Directors Appointed Board Members Charitable Activities Ellen and K.C. Strawmyre suestrawmyre@embarqmail.com Historian John Carpenter jocarpenter@comcast.net Membership Manager Reid Newcomb newcomb.reid@comcast.net Merchandise Manager On Line at: Coming Soon Nat’l Corvette Museum Jim Board jboare@cox.net NCRS Chapter Awards Rep Martha Baird envcons@comcast.net Personal Property Manager Bob Baird envcons@comcast.net Signal Seeker Editor Jim Hofferbert hofferje@comcast.net Signal Seeker Pub. & Dist. Larry Negley &Ron Wilson larry.negley@acps.k12.md.us wilball@comcast.net Technical Advisors Mike McCagh & Jeremy Turner marylandmissle@atlanticbb.net Turnerjt63@comcast.net Website Manager 5 Gary Wilkerson gary.wilkerson@comcast.net Message from the Chair / Jerry Duffey Hi MAC Members, Summer is here and we are into our Tech Sessions, Road Tours, and judging! I would like to thank Rick Risser of Klick-Lewis for hosting a great Tech Session. We will be at Zip Products June 11th and they are always some of the great supporters of the M.A.C. Jim Board put together a wonderful Road Tour to the National Museum of the Marine Corps in Triangle, VA. If you have never been there, put it on your list – it is well worth the time. .,.. August 12-13 , we will have our chapter judging meet at Mike and Lea McCagh’s farm located in Cumberland, Maryland. It is shaping up to be a great event. If you haven’t made plans, do so – you don’t want to miss this. th Back in April, I attended a town hall meeting at the Auburn regional. The purpose was for the NCRS president, Mike Ingham, to inform members of the status of the NCRS, to take questions from the floor, and to dispel any rumors. I was impressed with the reorganization in the National, and slimming of their expenditures. They hope to have the National back in the black very soon. Make sure you check out the calendar of events in the Signal Seeker, or online at the M.A.C. website. Jim Board does a great job of keeping us up to date, but sometimes we don’t all read our emails – make sure to check your email to stay on top of those updates. Jerry Duffey, MAC Chair Signal Seeker Editor’s Message by Jim Hofferbert Thanks to the generosity of our chapter I have been able to upgrade the program I use for formatting to Publisher. Hopefully everyone will notice a vast improvement in layout and design. I am still learning the capabilities of the program and am open to any constructive criticism, suggestions, or comments. Thanks to the many contributions from members, this issue is jammed packed with lots of goodies. It’s been an active Spring starting with the tech session at Klick Lewis and ending with the meet at Zip Products. Dave Walker always entertains well. I want to thank the contributors to this issue personally. First, of course, is Rick Risser for allowing us to kick off the year at Klick Lewis Chevrolet and providing a great lunch. Jim Board provided articles of interest covering Klick Lewis and the Road Tour. I hope everyone enjoys my contribution pertaining to the content of our judging bags. Thanks to Duane Ravenberg we are more enlightened when it comes to fasteners. Please keep the tech articles coming. We still need at least two more to qualify for the Chapter Top Flight Award 2016. 6 National Corvette Museum Ambassador’s Report Jim Board (8093) Greetings MAC Members! The 2016 driving season is in full swing and NCM has organized another Museum in Motion (MiM) event for us, this one July 13-17 at GM’s famous Milford Proving Grounds. You can also experience the challenging NCM Motorsports Park August 27-28 during an NCM High Performance Drivers Education (HPDE) event. Both will sell-out quickly, so if you are interested be sure to sign up soon at the NCM website. On September 1 -3 celebrate the NCM’s grand opening at the Anniversary Celebration and attend the Corvette Hall of Fame induction ceremony in Bowling Green. Hall of Fame inductees for 2016 are Bob Bondurant, Ralph Kramer, and Donna Mae Mims. From September 29 to October 1, owners who took advantage of the NCM R8C delivery can enjoy the R8C Reunion at the Museum. Those who attended the Tech Session & Judging School at Klick Lewis Chevrolet saw Ron Wilson’s new Z06 C7.R Edition. Ron raved about the NCM R8C delivery. If you are buying a new Corvette, don’t overlook this unforgettable experience. It should not be missed! I’m certain Ron would be willing to share his experience and advice with you. Current information on NCM events and much more can always be found at the NCM website. www.corvettemuseum.org/ Unfortunately, the legal action by neighbors against the NCM Motor Sports Park continues, as homeowners press their complaints about the track noise. In March the NCM Motorsports Park submitted a noise reduction plan, but it appears the issue will ultimately be resolved in court. I’ll update Signal Seeker readers as I learn more 7 Klick Lewis Tech Session and Judging School, April 2, 2016 Yesterday we held a Tech Session and Judging School at Klick Lewis Chevrolet, near charming Hersey, Pennsylvania. The event was well attended, with 41 NCRS members and guests participating. Klick Lewis Chevrolet and MAC member Rick Risser generously provided us a comfortable meeting room and space in their shop for our event, plus Klick Lewis supplied lunch for all attendees. Our first speaker was a last minute addition to the agenda, John Kane, the NCRS Region III Director (Pennsylvania, Virginia, Virginia, Maryland, New Jersey, Delaware and Washington D.C.). John updated the attendees on recent changes in responsibilities at the NCRS National level with the departure of Gary and Eric Mortimer. As you’ve seen in my previous email, we have new contacts and processes in place for a number of tasks previously handled by Gary or Eric in Cincinnati. You will see more about these changes in future email. Getting organized to start C2 John Kane explains fiasco Bill Sangrey compares C1& Next, Bill Sangrey spoke about the numerous C1-C2 generational changes between 1962 and 1963 mentioning many beyond the obvious. Even after Bill’s exhaustive list, attendees offered even more differences. In the Klick Lewis shop we had three (yes, three!) 1962 Corvettes (both restored and unrestored) and KC Strawmyre brought one of his 1963 Coupes (not pictured) giving attendees the opportunity to view in person each generational change that Bill had mentioned. For the Judging School, MAC Judging Chair Sam Neide explained the NCRS CDCIF judging criteria (configuration, date, completeness, installation, and finish), an important topic for anyone to understand who is planning to have their Corvette judged at an NCRS event. Then for new or aspiring NCRS judges, Sam organized us into teams that practice-judged the 1962 Corvettes in the Klick Lewis shop. Using NCRS judging manuals and judging sheets, each team went through the process like we were judging at an NCRS meet. From introducing ourselves and meeting the owner, to delivering the results after filling out the judging sheets, attendees went through the entire process. The Judging School was fun and as a practice session, it was also low stress compared to learning on-the-job during an actual judging event. I was particularly pleased that Sam's Judging School included explaining to the owner what point deductions were identified as that personal communication is an often overlooked and occasionally difficult part of the judging process. 8 The ever vigilant Sam & CDCIF Ron Wilson and the engine he built He drove the car to the meet Everyone attending the event was drooling over MAC Northwestern Regional Director, Ron Wilson's new C7.R Special Edition, also parked in the Klick Lewis shop. This Beast is a black Convertible, one I expect we will learn is a very rare combo as most were ordered as track-ready Coupes in Corvette Racing’s traditional yellow. Ron pulled out all the stops when ordering the car, and he gave us a photo presentation on the entire buying experience; the Engine Build, the Corvette Buyer’s Tour and the RC8 Museum Delivery. Having enjoyed the same experiences myself when buying my 60th Anniversary 427, I enjoyed reliving the experience vicariously during Ron’s presentation. Let me again thank Klick Lewis Chevrolet and our host Rick Risser for lunch and making their top-notch facility available to us. It looked like Rick has a lot of Corvettes on the lot, so if you are in the market for a new C7 or used Corvette, please give Rick a call, (717) 554-2657. It was good catching up with MAC members again now that good weather has returned. This chapter has some incredible Corvette resources and great people that I missed over the winter. Look for information in future email on our MAC Road Tour scheduled for May 14. I promise, you don’t want to miss it! Regards, Jim Board, Photos by Jim Hofferbert 10 9 What’s in your bag? Recommended content for your judging bag! By Jim Hofferbert For those of us who have judged before there are several precautions we take before leaving home for the judging field. Among the most important is surveying our judging bag for all the necessities we will need. For new judges or those with less experience the following list will be extremely beneficial. Regardless of whether you judge exterior, interior, mechanical, chassis or operations, a flashlight is the first requirement. If it was only that simple! The worst thing that can happen to you on the judging field is to have your batteries die, or a bulb burn out. Always have an extra set in case the need arises. Note the variance in lumens from new batteries to totally dead. From time to time I use all four mirrors for various jobs. The mirror in this photo has a small magnet at the end. Both are extendable. Mirror, mirror on the wall I can’t contort to see at all. And just one mirror won’t do. Have a variety of different sizes, shapes and extendable lengths. Don’t depend on just one mirror. Everything from 1” to 8” in diameter will come in handy depending on which area you’re judging. More than once I’ve placed my mirror down on the ground just to have it stepped on. If you drop it on the ground you might kiss it goodbye also. These things happen! )-: Don’t let them happen to you! Is it stainless steel or aluminum? Should it be magnetic or not? These are questions easily answered with a magnet. It doesn’t require one powerful enough to pick up an engine; but it might help if it can be extended, allowing you to reach out of the way places. You know, like the one you use to pick up that fastener just dropped somewhere under the spark plug shielding. If you’re like me the magnet is also used to retrieve that wrench dropped beyond arm’s length that didn’t make it all the way to the garage floor. (Just a note: Some stainless steel alloys are magnetic. Not necessarily because of the iron content, but the nickel content. Nickel is magnetic!!!) 10 As we all age, get grayer and balder (not bolder) and our joints become less useful, many of us need special help for our knees. Anything from yoga mats to beach towels to strap on knee pads will work. Cardboard on concrete isn’t always an option on the judging field. Transporting enough cardboard to lay down on wet grass can be prohibitive. I personally prefer a beach towel. It can be much more versatile when folded in different shapes. If clean, it can also be used as a fender skirt. I’ve seen enough yoga mats on the judging field. There are many miscellaneous items that I personally carry. These will vary depending on your experience, area of concentrated judging and usefulness on the judging field. Although some of these items are provided by the event judging chairman and your team lead, some are not. A good example is the “broach buster,” a monocular used by the mechanical judging team to magnify broach marks and hard to read stampings. You should depend on the team lead to provide clip board, pencils and the judging manual for the area you will be judging. In the first photo below notice the extra clipboard, pencils, eraser and pencil sharpener. Also notice the belt buckle cover. I have used my own clipboard and pencils at chapter meets many times. Sometimes it’s just more convenient. . Beach Towel – my personal preference I’d rather have what I don’t need than need what I don’t have! Refer to text on next page 11 What’s that standard deduction? What percent applies to CDCIF in considering the number of points available? Is it originality or condition? Having cheat sheets (sorry, informative charts to assist in the process) can save time and not require running down the team lead to make every decision or answer every question that may arise. Above right: in yellow is the NCRS “Standard Deduction Guidelines” chart. Also, the paint flow chart, a chart explaining of CDCIF with an explanation for judging condition on the reverse side. To the far left is a folder to keep everything organized and accessible. Not pictured is the “Corvette Judging Reference Manual.” This is a must for any serious judge. Or for that matter, the owner having his or her car judged. Notice the calculator? As we went through the CDCIF and Condition seminars at the latest NCRS Judging Retreat in Dallas, many of us were wondering when it will become necessary to have a calculator on the judging field to accurately break down the percent and points according to the matrix grid. If all works out well we’ll all be dead before we reach that point. Leave that to the next generation. They’re all geeks anyway!!! (Said with due respect and jealousy). In Summary, judging bag contents will vary from judge to judge. At a minimum you should have the following: (2) flashlights with extra batteries Multiple mirrors of varying sizes Magnet that extends Kneeling pad of some sort Miscellaneous items to your liking Oh, and don’t forget the BAG! Some may think all this stuff isn’t necessary. And to a certain degree they’re right. However, I would rather have something I don’t need than need something I don’t have. Happy Judging NUTS, BOLTS AND OTHER FASTENERS Submitted by Duane Ravenberg How many times have we all been redoing a car and found that someone previously replaced an original nut, bolt or fastener with a hardware brand piece. Of course, this replacement piece is usually in a prominent place on the car subject to scrutiny by everyone who looks at the car. Now what do you do, hunt through the NCRS Driveline searching for someone who is selling bolts? If you do find someone who sells them, chances are they won’t have the correct piece, or it will be an incorrect reproduction, or the price may be greater than the National debt. When I encountered this same problem, doing an online search sent me to AMK Products Inc. located in Winchester, VA. They specialize in GM, Chrysler and Ford automotive fasteners for classic cars with over 3500 different items in stock in their warehouse. They design and finish the tooling for all their parts on site and produce 95% of them in the USA. I have ordered quite a few items and all were machined and finished as good or better than OEM with a faithful reproduction of all markings. Since AMK specializes in the multiple brands that include items for metal body cars, you won’t find a tremendous amount of Corvette specific head mark bolts. However, there are still a lot of TR, SBC, WB and M bolts that could be useful. Plus, the extensive variety of nuts, washers, clips, etc. available from them crossover to Corvettes and that alone makes it worth a look. Another interesting thing is they provide a choice of regular split (lock) washers and heavy duty that have square edges instead of the rounded type normally sold at hardware stores. Their 195 pages of individual fasteners plus another 207 pages of fastener kits is the most extensive collection I have seen. According to their index in the paper catalogue they sell bolts, nuts, screws, studs, bushings, clamps, clips, fittings, pins, plugs, retainers, rivets, rubber, sealer, spacers, springs, straps, tape, washers, brake hardware, headlamp hardware and seat belt attachments. They also have a web site at www.amkproducts.com with a PDF catalogue showing all the same hardware with online parts ordering capability. Both the paper and online catalogue have full size pictures of each item to include bolt head marks. If you have questions or want to place on order by phone, you can reach them at 540-662-7820. 12 Your Add Here FOR SALE 64-66….Original Factory Simulated Walnut Woodgrain Steering Wheel…$295.00 63-67….Full Front Nose Mask/Bra…....$50.00 63-67….Pair of Magnetic License Plate Frames…$75.00 63-66….Interior Mirror, dated 1DMI 6…$25.00 63-67….Fuel Filler Cap, fiber gasket, SMC logo…$20.00 1966….Fuel Filler Door (rebuilt) Black Flag upper left….$50.00 65-66….Sill Plates, 6-hole, not 13 groove, like new…$25.00 1966….Set ( 4 ) nice Driver Hubcaps, no spinners/ spacers….$185.00 Lots of books & publications such as Noland Adams Restoration & Technical Guide Vol. 2, Adams body lift workbook, service & overhaul manuals, assembly manuals for '67, '75 & '77, Vette Vues fact books, black books. Too much to list, email, ask and I'll check. All items picked up. Shipping extra. Photos available ( except books etc.). Don Zullinger…….zully@innernet.net or 717-263-3945 13 Member VIN: 1Z67W2S520143 1972 454 LS-5/390 hp Big-Block, 4-bbl Holley carb, numbers-matching, 4-spd M-20 convertible. Very nice driver; runs great and is fast! Well-maintained; everything works. AC, PS/PB/PW; 3.08 diff; mostly-restored; Mille Miglia Red paint; black leather interior; 80K miles; $65,000; lots of chrome; Firestone Firehawk radials; call Harry 703-2615322 Advertisement, Continued Harry Malone President Malone and Associates C: 703-261-5322 O: 703-261-6715 12040 Winding Creek Court Suite 100 Clifton, Virginia 20124 2016 MAC ROAD TOUR — May 14th By Jim Board Wow! We had another great Road Tour today. 10 Corvettes and 16 members & guests participated. I am certain everyone enjoyed the National Museum of the Marine Corps. After a pleasant drive and lunch we started our tour. The docent was Major Bill Peters (Ret), a Marine who served in Vietnam. We learned Major Peters happened to be a Trans Am guy who always longed for a Corvette. He certainly knew the museum, Marine Corps history and his personal style was playful and entertaining. Though our tour was 2 hours in length, we barely scratched the surface of this impressive display of Marine Corps history. To see it all you must allow more time. I personally found one encounter to be inspirational and humbling. We were honored to meet Frank Matthews, a Marine veteran of Iwo Jima and the only survivor of his unit when the battle ended. Learn more about this American hero here; http://www.quantico.marines.mil/News/NewsArticleDisplay/tabid/10834/ Article/517978/iwo-jima-vet-relives-battle-with-marine-corps-museumguests.aspx 14 More road tour pics from Judith Gallagher 15 A GREAT DAY AT ZIP! The tech sessions and judging! 1 (Photo 1) - Attendance was well represented by the MAC members ( 30 ). And once again Zip was a terrific host. After we all enjoyed coffee and donuts Jerry Duffey kicked it off with a gracious welcome and offered remaining calendars to those who wanted them (photo 2). Jim Board (photo 3) then introduced our first speaker, Bill Powers. (photo 4) Bill is fortunate to own a rare 1969 #114 first day production with an experimental engine. He discussed his documentation efforts. 2 Duane Ravenberg (photo 5) followed with a discussion about detailing break hoses as well as other rubber hoses with markings that could be judged. He came up with a rather ingenious way of reproducing stampings and strips found on original hoses. 3 7 8 9 One of our presenters canceled. Jim B. decided to fill in with a “Show & Tell.” This worked out great and may become routine part of future tech sessions. Bob Baird, Bill Grove, and Steve Ferry filled in with some interesting topics (Photos 6-8). 4 Our last presenter before lunch was Patricia Kropac (photo 9). Patricia discussed the research and search for NOS parts for her ‘76, focusing on the emission system. Detailed handouts truly enhanced her presentation. She felt that because she was a woman passionate about classic Corvettes people went out of their way to help her. It was suggested that, maybe, she could be the search engine for the entire chapter. She didn’t jump at the opportunity, so don’t call her with requests. 5 10 11 Photo 10 shows Olivia Walthall, the in house photographer for Zip Products, hard at work. She was kind enough to share her work with us through the following link on the next page. Go there! They’re beautiful. 6 16 After the lunch Zip provided we prepared to Judge two beautiful cars. (Photo 11) Sam Neide conducting the judges, owners meeting. (Photo 12) Martha Baird hard at work tabulating. Thank Martha. 12 Two beautiful Corvettes were on the judging field, a red ‘63 owned by - and a white 64 owned by -. After ops (photos 13 & 16) the cars were moved to the shady grass area for more comfort (photos 14 & 17). 13 16 Photo 15 shows the judges hard at work. I don’t know what Page Campbell is doing in photo 18. This was a great opportunity for new members and new judges to gain experience. Thanks goes out to both car owners for bringing their midyears. Both owners and cars were being judged for the first time. 14 David Cichocki's red ‘63 Coupe and Garland Dodd's white ‘64 FI Coupe Both received Top Flight awards. (Photos 19 & 20) Dave credits Page Campbell for help and insight allowing him to achieve this award. 15 17 18 Here is a link to more pictures shot by Olivia Walthall, the in house photographer for Zip. https://www.dropbox.com/sh/fq4i71ekbqzc53l/AAAZoeBZLrwr8Cc5AtwF-MSYa?dl=0 This is a MUST VISIT page. 19 20 17 Garland Dodd receiving his award David Cichocki receiving his with Page MAC Members, I am pleased to announce MAC's charity for 2016, the Fisher House Foundation of Rockville, Maryland. Fisher House Foundation is best known for a network of comfort homes where military and veterans’ families can stay at no cost while a loved one is receiving treatment. Learn more about Fisher House and their support for veterans and families here, https:// www.fisherhouse.org/about/ Charity Navigator gives Fisher House near perfect marks. http://www.charitynavigator.org/ index.cfm? bay=search.summary&orgid=7585#.Vrd6qJMr Jdk The MAC website has been updated to reflect our new charity. Regards, Jim Board 18 Mid-Atlantic Chapter, National Corvette Restorers Society Membership Application and Renewal 2016 Name: __________________________________ Spouse: ____________________________ Address: ____________________________________________________________________ City: ___________________________________ State: __________ Zip +4: _______-_____ Home Phone: ______-______-________ Work/Cell: _____-_____-________ Email Address_____________________________@__________________________________ NCRS # (Required): ___________ Corvettes (Year) Currently Owned: _________________ __________________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Annual Calendar Year Dues = $30.00 $25.00 if paid by January 15, 2016. (2 years = $50.00) $15.00 if paid after July 1st. (½ year) Make check payable to: Mid-Atlantic Chapter, NCRS And mail to: Mid-Atlantic Chapter, NCRS Don Harris, Treasurer 13805 Laurel Rock Ct. Clifton, VA 20124 19 20