victorian cichlid
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victorian cichlid
, o VOL 3 SEPT MBE I 0.5 1974 published by the 1 .,. victorian cichlid . society 1• EOITORIAL TVlO forthcoming events that we feel deserve special' mention are firstly the Hoyal ~elbourne Show,and the' display of Aquaria put on by the Aquarium 50ciety of Victoria,and the open night that has been organized by the 2astern Districts Aquarium SocietY,for October 25th at their club rooms.V.C.S. membe~s are urged to attend these functions as in doing so they will meet other aquarists and increase their fund of fish keeping knowledge.Believe it or not there are some people who keep· fish other than cichlids;so it is definately up to us to educate this underprivileged minority. T'he ,1.. S •of V ~ display is always worth seeing. /'.part from the f: Holland \: type competition tanks (Just think of the f~ your Oscar would have if you took him to have a look at those) there will be crocodiles,marine fish and a:r gt eat' many other aquatic oddi tie,s ~ Jefinately a display not to be missed if you are at the Show Groundsl The:~.D.A.S. open :might is the first inter-club activity' that I can remember ever having been organized.':ith such things as import restrictions looming there is a definate need for all clubs ,and not or~y the executives of the clubs,to work together and a night such as this is a step in this "_i~~,::;ct:ton direction. There will be a table show for some fish called danios ,and no doubt supper will be' provided.~-;e hope that a strong contingent from our club will be in attendance,buT if you are thinking of going please let Graeme know at the next meeting o-o-o-o-o-o-~o-o-o-o--o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o 'rABLE OF CONT;;NTS 6',\·0-o-o-o-0···0-·0-0-o·~0·-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-o The illiterate Cichlid. Some Corresroncence Bree·::'ing Discus ilTheir ll Vley ~ Minutes of J::..U[ust MGotin[. New t1cmbers Cich12somn Coryrh2.noirles. -The Curvicers. P[.2 0-0-0 -0 -0 -0-0-0-0 -0-0-0 -0-0 -0-0 -0-0-0 -0-0 5. 6. 9. 9. 10. 12. the ILLITERATE CICHL IDS '-Daryl Hutchins- Pelma tochromis ansorgii •••••• 1 call them the .:._::: tc.:c.-, illiterate cichlid because they are the only cichlids 1 have that obviously have not read the books ~nd consequently do not behave as they are suppoed to. (How -:1.0 you like that Heinz, yours only talk to you,most of ITif fish can read! ).According to the ~xperts,like ~octor Axelrod they are not safe with smaller fishes.I have found them quite the opposite.\lthough they are not very kind to one another at times they don't bother their tank mates at all except in defence of their young. These fish have been in my collection for four months, they have spawned four times and each time behaved differently. Any howtthis is their story. Heinz informod me that ansorgii were becoming scarce. Shocked by thm 'idea of a cichlid becoming extinct ~ decided to do my cichliotic dut.T and save them from joining the dinosaurs. After locating a choice pair 1 proceededto set them Upton the 28th .of April,in a 24-"xI211 x12 11 tank.The p.h. was' 6.4- and the temperature750 F.The tank contained three pieces of broken flower pot to receive the eggs and a clump of fontinalis to make it look like a fish tank.Also in attendance was one very pregnant female hi-fin molly. (1,:rromg water for her 1 know but I can1t think of everything.) On May 7th they spavmed on the inside roof of one of the pieces of flower pot.The male fanned and occasionally mouthed the eggs taking time off only to chase the female away. Sometimes he was very vicious towards her and the chase l.asted a. minute cir so.)\';rs. I\':olly;on th:.e other hand was toler ated to a surprisiWg extent,in that she was allowed to pass within a couple of inches of the eggs ~efore being politely requested to leave the immediate vicinity.Two days later 1 removed the female ansorgii but it was too late,she died soon afterwards. Meanwhile back at the flower pot the malo decided to have the ;eggs for breakfast.It couldn 1 t have been hunger that prompted that little trick as the tar...k vvas well stocked with mosquito larvae and on the day concerned,a generous helping of baby mollies(49).Hc was not observed attempting to eat the mollies,infact he made a few half-hearted attempts to herd them into a school.But,as·you all know,baby live bearers are not very impressed by the prescence of larger fish and did not co-operate at all.After a couple of hours the male decided it was too much like hard work and gave it away. Two now females were very generously loaned to me on the 20th of June.One of them was placod with the male in a 3 • .. THE ILLITERATE CICHLIDS. - ':,_:T~" 42 1j xI2 i1 xI2 1l tank, (temp 800.F. P .h.6.2 ,d.h.I.2 .. ) which was planted at one end and proyided with five caves at the other. The tame was liberally stocked vvi th daprillia. For the malo it was lava at first sight and his behaviour was,to say the least,scandalous.His girlfriend,on ' the other hand was more intc:)::'ested in the daphnia.'Being a lady and not wanting to speak with hor mouth full,she just slapped him around a little when his persistent advances bocame a little to much to bear.After about ten minutes she 'began-to feel. amorous but alas ,he discovered the daphnia and the role~ ,. ,7.: reversed. The following Saturday (June 22nd.) They both ,had' thl3ir brooding tubes Gxtonded and had taken on very- attractive, ~ but not spectacular colouring. Their bodies had an overall pink~ , ish hue;all scales edged in black,gill plates blue.A phosphor~-:' escent white strip ran the full length of the dorsal edgc,'and' the top edge of the caudal. The pattern in the dorsal and caudal fins of the .,' male had darkened to- give a lace like effect -and his ventral and anal fins were j,ct black .All finnage of the female romained a dull grey. ' r\;hile noting these colours I was fascinated by the speed at which the 5 lateral spots on both fish were appearing .' and disappearing-so I timed it; black to pink and black to black"·' again 6 se~onds flat.It was like watching traffic lights change. , ':'!e+l despite the fancy dress .,,'j\;:r, Ansorgii was not having much luck convincing his girlfriend that she had been wai tng :'for fhi~ all ,her life ,so T put a pair of. Congo Tqt-ras in the' tank -to distract her for D. while. The weeks passed with no result until he gave up his insistent attitudo and tried a little savoir-faire.A tickle under the chin and Q few swaet nothingswispered in her ear and she came around to his way of thiw{ing.Thb stork madG his delivery on the 1st of July and to my surprise ~he oggs worG being tended by the female while pappa policed the araa.Tho egg's were removed for artificial incubation; they were cylind rical and appeQrod to be attached by a very short thread.They hatched in three days at 80 o.F., the fry worofree swimming 6, days later on the 10th of July. , , On July 11th the pair spawned again ,and the oggs were removed once morooBut for somo reason the fr.1:died the day after hatching" (except for one). : ' ' '_ Si~ days lator 6n the 17th the little beasts did it again. This' 'time the offending paront was madly digging holes and baling up all the other fishes,keeping them well away from the spa~ming sjte.I decided to let the parents keep the eggs and see what othQr tricks they would get up to.Fomma did all the caring for tho" eggs until they hatched and then went into hiding for a day.On tho second d'ay she reappeared and the pair began to share out the work in trUG cichlid fashion.In four days the fry wore free swi~ning ( two days loss than it took when they wore hatched artificially) and they stuck with THE ILLITER~TE p . CICHLIDm 4. m6mmA while poppa tried to convince the other occupants of the tank that hhoy should bo in tho next tank,with the malawis. After a week the youngstors disappearod,,"':hcther or not the parents were responsible for their ultimate demise I could not say. there you have it.A fish that kills its mate and doesn't kill its ~ate;igmorcs other fish and then bales them upOoDigs holes somctimos,donudcs or rips up plants occasion ally.ThiS' has left me just a little confused. In conclusion I would like' to E~dd that this is my first literary contribution;the first of many,to the Cichlid Nonthly.I urge othor members to take a few moments now and again· to" do the same (or bottor).It appears to me,cven in my short ass'ociation with the club' that the magazine has at-out half a dozen regular contributors .~r ost of them already hold a position of responsibility within the club and it seems unfair for them to have to do all tho work.I h~vo been in a similar situation an~ it really got me down after a while. So get those pens firing-it 7 s a good magazine and it deserves support. So P.S. If your arm is brokon 1 1 11 come around and take dlc~ation for you. 5. i ..., A LETTER E'ROM nTRI-F LRISH "iD ULRITJr'l SO CIETY DeE,r Mr. st aucl e , , My club, the Tri-Parish .ta~nrium Society of Louisic;na,woulcl be very intereste('1. in exchcmginE bullet:in,s )iith your cluQ.We h2vc s'ent two bullG;tins( one in March ,2nr:' . one in M[~y) to you but we 'lon IT know if they ever reached their r,:l,estin2.tion.Our club is not C'" Cichlid specie,lty 'g-rou,p, but wo (~O h['..ve 2.. lr,rge rer centc'Ee (If so c2,ller', "Ci chlidNutsl' in our midst ;myself inclu·'.c(~. Crmld you pleLse send us a copy of your bullet~n ~s we would very much like to hear from you. \ • i 1/1,e". wculc1 also 'like to include your so qiety in our internation8.l Pen-:Pal program, whi ch W2 arc, e..t this tim~,,. r,ttemptiD.[.' to establish.If ynu he-.vG p.ny T.'lembcrs in yrur club who woul(~ be intcrestc'1 in wri tint; to a ren-pal with ;the same interests2s their cwn,please h2ve them send tpeir: Nam~~LG.(~ress,Mcdn interest(s) ,iif-G(frr th0se une.QF :!l,8 yrs,.) c:nr1 preference &s to the type of Pen-Pel desired (ex. Boy, Girl~ etc.) T.r{e' "e:ddreE;s for ~ corresprmdencc is: T.F .1~.S. " , c/- Warren ,Lund Jr., 913 ME',ryland Ave, ',.' KENNER, LA. 70062 .•.U.S.A. Their n~~es will be printed in our m0nthly bulletin and sent to our exchange clubs allover the United St2.te.s and ,Canada. We ,will also send you a list of names of people who are lonklng for pen pals. .' . .. G00d Luck with y(lur club. Weill be waiting to hear from you., Ci chlid Power! ,. Sincerely, Yours, . ' Warren Lund Jr ~ . :President , Tri-Pe,rish Lqu2.rium Society of'LA.. \ ___________-_--=_ ... .-a:r~ .. ::.:':~.,.,..,. _ _, ~, l:LSO, , A LETTER FROM' EASTERN DI$~RillS ID..U.L.~IVM SOCrEllY. ',' .. -= 'President:' R'on Turner, Secretc::ry: Jack Morris, 2 Linden Rd, Ringwood, 3134 •• Vic. Dear· Sir, " At the last meetin[ of the Feder2tian of l~uarium Societi~s, (Vic. Branch), it was Suc[osted thE~t open nights should be held at different Societies. We support this suggestion as we·feel it would be beneficiRl to 211 Societies end to the future goodwill and fellowsh~p we have e.ll croatec:' by forming the Federation.' , . . Our President takes this oPDortUnEY to invite your members to our General Meeting on Oct. '25, at the Nune.wading Library Rf)oIDs, Whitehorse Road, Nunawadi~£, ,commencinc at 8.15 pm promptly. ~he format for the evenin t:: sh211 be a question Panel ma(le up . by members of different SocietieS. The table show will be the Danio$pecies and is open to all visitors. Our rules for the table '.' 1"l;:h"'" --'j ., '" ~-'1't'i.nn8(1.on oth~r page) ...~ r • T.--'•• '. ......l.:........L .........-_~ ~ ~ ~_,:::::~=--====------ 6. BREEDING DISCUS IITHEIR" WAY ~ '."- ~:.;::;;;;.:;;.;;;;:.;.;:;..,.;;;..:;;:.;;:;....;;...;;.-~~ Fascinated by discus fish I bought two sm211 brown ones from a dealer nearly two ye2"rs ago. H2,ving only st2rted with tropical fish 2, few months earlier I W2.S not [it 2.11 treating eny of the fish with the care end precautions they c'<.ll require. As a result I lost quite a few because of acidity, it did not take long till we were left With one discus only. Our dreEms of breeding were obviously cut down to ZGro. Soon afterwards we bought another pair of smallies. The same fate applied' to these <md when the second of thG first pair one morning was afloat I w~s left with one of the second pair only and firmly decided not to give discus a further go anymore ••• What a f2miliC'..r 'story! 1':. year and a half ago a stimulating lect.ure by a breeder from SingapoTe made us decide to tackle discus more professionally. A dozen brown ones we went for this time. The morte.lity-rate was consider2.bly less now. But as it takes Quite a while to grow large discus from small ones, time took its'toll. All good intentions must have helped Q lot, but acidity of water must have harmed 2. lot too! Gradually the smaller ones in the lot died off: Seven left, feve levt. But as time passed they grew to 3 or 3~ inches. Always however; the smallest in the gTOUp sep2rated from the' . school and died for unknown reasons. Even when the wavy red lines of coming-to-age began to 2ppGar we lost another one or two. So finally we were left with two out of the dozen lot, plus the survivor of th.e early attempt s. Thc:t was nine months ago. In the mean time we hQd been lucky to buy some of the fish of ~-mo·ther 2quE:,rist who hud to give the game away. lrrnong the catch were two nice discus with auite yellowy tinge, of about 3i inches. For a short while I kept thcrn separately, but then I dedided to put all discus together in one tank to see what would eventuate. That was 2bout 8 months ago. They he,d 2. good time in -their 40 ge.llons tc~nk of 18 inches high 2.nc'l grew reasonably well. Six months 2.go I put them in the f~sh house in a smaller tank ensuring e. tempa.r2.turc of 2.bout 86 2.11 the time. Aft er a few weeks two of the fish pnired off: our oldy on~ one of the other aqu2rists, which we gQve their own 30 gallon t2nk with a nice bIg slate. Wi thin a few deWS they were no sing the slate up and down. One morning: nbout 300 eggs, pcxents fDnning. Next day: all eggs gone, presUI!l2bly eaten. Six days later 2nother big batch of eggs. Same story. Six de.ys lat er: srune events. Six day s In.t er: repee.t. " And so on. I ! " Till the sixth lot of eggs w~s attended by the parents. After the second day What die1. I see: fl little "flea" swimming around 8Jld getting on to one of the parents to suck food from the body. That was promising because at lGQst that was a living fish 2nd thus .". the parents couJ.dr'rc1u'~0 offSI:":lngo ' 7. Breeding Discus "their" WDy ,cant Id •••• But where the hell did the fish come from when the parents w.ere attending eggs, wondered my husband. Must have been 8. survivor ,-. . of the previous het ching, he concluc,t:cL Next morning: eggs being fanned, flea still Ground. Few hours later: eggs gone, flea still SWimming. Th2.t night: flea gone too. Seven days 12ter: seventh lot of eggs. Next day at night bunches of eggs already moving and wriggling. Two days l~ter free swimm ing fry - very few only Dnd parents staying near slcte with fry sucking body. Three Qnys later p~rents still not head hunting, about sixteen small fry sucking the p8rents. The other three grown-ufo discus in the mCDntime had shown signs of likes and dislikes so the two we considered to be "engc.ged" got their own tank too, with 2nother big slate, much alike the one in the other tank. But they were not really going for keeps. They did not even nose the slnte much. However they appeared to us to be of the old type, you kno",: not permissive but let-it-grow. Whilst the sixteen SIDEll discus were With their pexents, still :feed ing from their sides, the parents laid enother huge bstch of eggs on the slate f with the 3 or 4 days old fry feeding on them. I had a good look at the probl em situation 2nd rang Heinz. fty aU are in trouble" he s2.id little encour2~ging. "Try to take the eggs away and see what happens." Back I went to the fish house. First I took the empty slate from the other tank end carefully I put that in front of the slate with eggs. That slate I then removed very carefully. What to do with these eggs, I thought. I can put them with the other discus but they will eat them prob2.bly, I thought. Accepting that fe.te I put the slate in with the two discus that were engaged, and never had had eggs before. I put it in the same position as the slate that I had taken out a minute before. Nothing really happened in the tank with the fry. The male was only very angry c.t a fish next doors , e.s USUB.l. The engaged ones, however, 2.ppeexed very interested in the eggs. They di,d not meke an 2ttempt to eat them. Every now WId then a little fanning. l~d when 8~ night my husband moved en airstone near by, one of them bec8TIle very cmgry 8.I1d attacked the hand! The following morning all the eggs had gone! But in the afternoon' I discovered that the pair had mO,veil them to the side of the slate, Where a hundred or so were 8lready \vriggling, with the fa st er . -. p2.rents being busy f.snning cmd looking at the event s. Suddenly I realised that it was quite possible that they would die in a couple of days, because foster parents Without eggs of their. own would not be able to feed the little fry from their bodies. That night they were still wrigglinG, more of them, with the foster parents still attending o In the fosters we could see the scale pattern becoming more pronouncecl... Would that be a sign of body secretion becoming available? 8 .. Breeo.ing Discus "their" way' cant fc1 Time would. tell" Next morning: 811 fry attended by the fosters, picking them up and spitting them back on the slate when they were fallen to the bottom.. The sight of that ~evotion was beautiful. What a lot to do for them, an~ that 211 so unexpectedly. The scale p~ttern is very pronounced by now. Next day: the fry try to eat from the si~e of the foster parents. About 200 or 250 of them. The fosters chenge colour from bleek orvery dark to yellow in seconds, something we never observed before. They seem to be very hungry so I feed them little bits of becfheQrt, sever~l times a day.. Not all the fry is on the fosters: some are still on the slate. But we can see them growing. The first fry in the other t~nk ere now SWimming away from the parents e~d enjoy their brineshrimps~ Before the egg lQying I h2d just cle2ne1 the tanks very well and given a third water chcill£e. Ph was exactly 7. ,It is now 8 weeks 1 e..t er • Of course: we have lost a few of our youngsters. After several weeks of three good brineshrimp meals the fry are since two weeks on a twice a day meal of finely shredded beefhesrt.. Probably sarno 200, or so still going strong and grOWing up to bigger fish, no longer with the parents .. The somewhat older fry that ha~ stayed with the true parents are also since a few weeks on their own in a t2~k. A week anQ a.half ago, guess what haprenerl: The parents laid eggs. A few days later~ e2ten for the most, with a few surviving for some morE: clay s, till the lest of a few that h2::l hat ched were gobbled up. Four days ago there were new eggs. You know what we did? Swopped the slate with tho one that was in with the fosters. A..110. you may guess right: the.t n.evote couple started fanning ag~in, has moved the egss around an1 they ere now wriggling, with e.. few alre8d.y on the fo sters' body feeding. LOUISA D. GEITENBEEK. show CU'e one fish per t2.nk 9" per person, Emd sh8.11 contain only gravel. Your own sho~ t2nk will suffice, should you have lights, so muCh the better. The prize will be 8 trorhy awexded by the Federation. Could you pleEse <:',c1vise us of the 2,pproxim2.te number attending, and the number of show t811ks being entered, before 30th September. Th2nk you. Yours f~ith!ully, .:I2:'~~~J'JIorEl~~ (SecretC'.ry. 9. MINUTES OF T:i~EET1NG: 14/8/1974. The meeting opened at 8.15 pm with the President in the chair.25 members and 3 visitors were present. Apologies;Toni Lloyd and Jack strong. New members were welcomed. 1,Unutes of July meeting wore t"alccn as read on a motion moved by Ron and seconded by Nick. Treasurer's Report; July balance f;' 400.89. Expcmses i 191.62. r20S-'~-2f. Aug. balance This report was received on a motion moved b$ l~ob and seconded by Peter ll. CorrespondenCGiGxchanges including a ver,r interesting Vol I. No I. Cichlid News from the C.S.N.S.W. From B. Y). A.S. inviting all members to an ppen night on October 25th.Please let the Secretary know at the September meeting if you aro planning to attend. From T.P.A.S. 10uisiana,exchange of bulletins and confirming their pen pals scheme. , Vic moved,Poter D. seconded a motion that correspondence be received.Carried. Badges are still available at i 1.00 each. Mini Auction. Bob asko'd for suggestions for prizes for tha Annual Raffle to be held in ,conjunction with the Anual ,,~_uctitnn. An expression of sympatby was conveyed to Bert on the loss of his wife. Peter then entertained and educated us on the l.Big , Uns ll other than Cichlasoma ~~ngels ,Aequidens and Discus. Daryl moved a vote of thanks to Peter at thG conclusion. Draw prizejPlants to Theo and Clive. Table show;=3 Nick (acuticeps),Theo (brasiliensis) and Heinz (splondida). 2 Peter (uaru). I Daryl (multispinosa). The meeting adjourned for supper at IO.20pm. 0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0 On the behalf of the membors the Council wishes to extend a warm welcome to ,the following new members. Fred Rose from Vvesterrrll,ustralia. R.S .Wheeler Ii Canberra Marineland. Bob Drenker. Neil i}\!hi tford and family. John J,~sma. r'1i 10. CICHL ASOfv1A CORY Pf-IA,f\/OIOES P.ROBINSON • _-- ----- - ._---- - -_._ . This fish. is probablY,in my 0plnlon, one of the most beautiful cichlids imported inmo Australi3 in recent years.I don't know of anyone who has seen a matu~e chocolate who has not beeniIJlP1'essed by it 1 s magnificent appearance and proportions • . It is a laIge fish,attaining 20 cm.,or 9 inches in Length,and was discovered by Heckel in I840.The colour of the fish is basically a reddi.sh-brown vii th an overlay of olive green irridescense.A large black spot is usually displayed in the centre of the body. 'The adult male fish develops a qui te heavy :t:o;rehead hump which increases in size with age until. it ressembles an Aequidens like head.The fish are very happy in soft acid water kept on the warm side,75-80 0 F. Breeding these fish is simple once a compatible pair has been found.I found that by placiv~ six fish together in a 36" tank one pair sorted themselves out and proceded to exhibi t gre<tt beligerance and anil110si ty towards the remaining four.Their ferocity was qUite stariling as until then the fish had been qu~te placid and inoffensive 9 as cichlids go. After removiYJ..g the b,:.'ttered and unpaired fish from the tank the mated pair promptly set to and begen flowerpot cleaning and sand shifting.The chocolate cichlid,like all cichlasoma;species,seems to enjoy excavating the under-gravel filter,a peculiar habit which seems to be confined to the cichlasomafamily. Within a few days the fish had spawned on the side of the flowE.r-pot,and considering that it was their first effort it was a creditable one.l esti-~,lated they were guarding 300 large orange eggs.Seven days later the proud parents wnrw shepherding the mass of fry- around the tanlc. Defence of the fry was undertaken by the male,hovered in the immediate area of the school ~s a last line of'protectio~. The chocolate parents displayed all the t=-pical cichlid care and behaviou~ during the first 6-8 weeks. Eowever,after this time most chocolates break tho .~~~ '3, ....1.. ~;-5.0.1 tradition of being model parents and beware of the consequences!!! 'rhey obviousley have a sweet-toothas they suddenly sho~N a preference for" chocolates l ' -they polished off over '200 over night. One day they were happily tending about 230 young healthY chacs and the next day there YITre only twenty l~ft hiding in the corners and their parents were bUsy guarding another 300 400 freshly laid eggs.This procedure has now been repeated with the second batch of fry at about the same stage of development. 11 .. CICHLASOMA CORYPHANOIDES; The spavming was even larger with about 500 fry milling the devoted (~) parents. I would suggest that anyone wishing to breed thmse cannibals of the family Cichlidae should remove the fry 3-4 weeks leat he be left only with a pair of well fed Cichlasoma cory~hanoides. If any cichlidophile has any information regarding peculiar trait I would be very interested to hear. around beautiful after this 0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0 DEAR DOROTHY DISCUS Last month I wrote to you asking you what to d{» about my mixed up Pelmatochromis thomasi foster parenting some angle fry.This week a £emale angel discovered the fry tank contained young angels.She then moved in,forcing the thomasi to retreat to the rear side of the fry tank,while she took over the front. The fry now have two foster parents,what do I do now. D.D: Is there a normal fish in the Robinson fishroom? In answer to one letter just received we wish to state categorically that there is no truth in the rumour that Dorothy Discus has run off with Oscar and is living in sin in a Cueensland cow~une. ED. 0-0-0-0-0-0-0--0-0--0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0 The next meeting will be held on 'riednesday the 11th of September at the usual time and place.(see inside front cover.The table show will be for APISTOGRAWm~ species. THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE RPJ\!!II::REZL . 12. If)ecur v Iceps. -Allan BaylissI first·· saw Aequidcns curviccps about 2 years ago and was initially unimpressed by them,until I saw them in breeding condition and realized how exquisitely beautiful they were. A prmminen;t Ji'·olbourne bird breeder once said:' If you have live stock thBn' you also have dead stock;: ~This I found applied equally to fish but ,after losing seversl curviceps I finally cracked it fo.r a breeding pair.t"'y main reason for keeping cichlids is to .observe their broeding habi ts •.Each fish I attempt to breed I allow tho parents to rear their OWE. young.However this procedure resulted in the clITYiceps eating their young on four occasions. Following this I obtained a further four curviceps and these turned out to be 2 breeding pairs ,which both spawn ed within a week of each other.These eggs were taken away and raised artificially~The p.h .. was about 6.6,and hardness 140 ppm.Temperature was about820 F. The eggs hatchod in 3 days and the fry were free swimming in a furthor threo.They were fed first on brine shrimp and then dried food and boef heart which was added to their diet after three weeks.Not to be out done,however,the parents laid again on the hti~d week following their spawning and this time successfully raisod the fry.The p.h. and hardness were the same but the temperature was lower,about 780. In this instant the eggs again hatched in three days,but were not free swimming until late on the 7th day.Another thing I noticed was that the fry left with the parents bogan to eat beef heart a good two weeks before the ones that had been.artificially raised. 0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0