March and April - Senior Pattern Association

The SENIOR
PATTERN ASSOCIATION
News Letter
Bruce Underwood - President
Tom Atkins-Vice President
Steve Byrum-Secretary Treasurer
Mickey Walker-Past President
Jeff Hannah-Appointed Member
Jim Ivey-Chairman Special Projects
Ed Hartley-Web Site—Newsletter Editor
Frank Stewart-Appointed Member
Volume 11 Number 2
Ron Reed—Past President
WEB SITE-http://www.rcpattern.net/spa/spa.asp
March-April 2001
Senior Pattern Association - Simply Better
THE PRESIDENTS PERSPECTIVE
March and April.....
tradition among modelists
that this is the season for
completing the winter projects just in time to have
them ready for "trimming"
when the weather breaks.
Ironically, we in North
Alabama had a beautiful week-end the last one in
February and thanks to the "top-off" charge feature
on the accu-cycle.....we were ready with hot nicads
to take advantage of the nice couple of days...hope
you were also.
Steve, Jim, Mickey, Frank and myself visited one
week-end in late January with Troy Emmett and
several members of the Floyd County, GA RC Flyers at their nice facility, Rose Memorial Field in
Cave Springs. As a result of our fellowship with
those nice folks, they were kind enough to invite
Tom, Malcolm and Scotty to their February club
meeting in Rome and plans are being finalized as
you read this for us to hold an organized SPA contest hosted by the Rome club. Jim Ivey, CSP, says
it will probably be prior to the Masters, perhaps in
August. I'm sure Tom will cover the meeting in detail in his column. We welcome Floyd County, GA
to our growing list of organized contest activity.
Ed Kirtley up in Bowling Green, KY says we'll
more than likely be visiting his club there and contesting this season.
Dr. Charles G. Gray SPA # 156 says details are
forthcoming on the initial SPA contest in Terre
Haute, Indiana.
It is so comforting to see Pattern RC enthusiasts in
other parts of the country actively stirring SPA interest in their locales. We, in the Association front
office will do whatever we can to assist.... just let
us know.
Steve has printed numerous "Info-packets" which
were passed out to visitors to the SPA booth at the
SE Trade Show in Perry, GA, (more on this from
other authors)...and these are available for
downloading from the SPA website....or if you
don't use computers, just write Steve and ask for
them...we'll be glad to accommodate. The new
GUIDELINES and RULES manuals are a good
deal larger and will be available at the initial contest. It is hoped that competitors will pick them up
in person because the size, weight and expense of
mailing them is almost prohibitive...however, if
you request them....we'll be glad to oblige by return
mail.
I am aware that only a small percentage of our
membership uses computers as do all our Board
members consequently do not have access to the
patterns for this season. For that reason, copies of
the patterns are included in this issue of the newsletter. More and more availability of plans, kits and
short kits of SPA eligible airplanes are being uncovered, some advertised in this newsletter, other
info can be had from the SPA website at:
www.rcpattern.net/spa/spa.asp
CD's...be advised that Ed (our webmaster) has even
made available score sheets for downloading from
the website. If you have access to the website and
have the printer and facilities for printing these and
aware of our members who don't use computers....
would you be kind enough to print them a few copies and get them to them. That would be a genuinely nice gesture on your part.
TALL TALE stories continue to "trickle-in".… I
look forward to sharing them with you!
Just think, the next issue will contain results from
the seasons' initial contest in Cullman. Let's go
practice.
See ya' on the circuit.
Bruce Underwood SPA 15 Pres.
1412 Patterson St.
Guntersville, AL 35976
(256) 582-3742
bunderwo@hiwaay.net
Top Notch Trophies
Awards and Engraving
Trophies, Plaques & Plastic Signs
We have been supplying the South with the best in
plaques and Trophies for the last 8 years....Tired of
paying to much $$$$$......???? That's what we are
here for. On the average, An SPA meet uses 21
plaques....WOW!!!!!.. Lot of money you say??...
Not if you call TNT....We can use your club logo
on the plaque or the SPA logo....PRICE, you say....
how about $250.00 on average.....PLUS, I'll throw
in a 4th & 5th place plaque for Novice. FREE!!......
You read it right....FREE!!!!!
No matter what the event may be, WE PROVIDE
THE BEST FOR ANY EVENT... That's why we
are TOP NOTCH..... Cass Underwood
Top Notch Trophies
Guntersville, AL 35976
(256)582-0606
From The Chairman Of The Board
Boy, as I write this I am
just beginning to get a
slow down from the
computer. Since the article by Eric Henderson
in Model Aviation
Magazine. I have been
on the computer every
night replying to email
request about the SPA.
This has really given us a shot in the arm. People
from all over the country have responded.
The thing I find interesting is old pattern
flyers are out there just like they are here, they just
need some one to get them together in their area. It
should be easy enough even if a given area has only
six or eight to start with. They could have a fun fly
using SPA legal models until they have enough interest to have a contest. But it seems hard to find
that one person to get it started.
Well we only have a few weeks until our
season opener at Cullman, I sure hope I can get out
and do some flying soon. Due to surgery the
weather and every thing else I find I have not flown
since the masters. I have not even tried the new maneuvers.
I told our editor what a good job he is doing
on the news Letter. I was really impressed with the
first one.
I just returned from the Perry Ga. Swap
meet and was very impressed with the SPA booth. I
did not get to spend as much time there as I would
have liked, but there were a lot of our members
there and Steve was doing his usual good job.
I am sorry I did not get to help man the
booth but I had to make the rounds of all the other
things I am involved in.
That's the price you pay for being involved
in so many different Parts of this great sport. As
most know the show has booths for the society of
Antique Modelers, Model Engine Collectors Assn.,
Thermal Thumbers Free flight club, all of which I
am a member, and I have a life time of friends with
all of them.
Boy ain't this a wonderful sport!
Mickey
WHEEL PANTS OR NOT!
About strut and wheel pant aerodynamics. A wire
has much more drag than a faired strut and wheel
pants produce less drag than a wheel hanging out in
the breeze. This is just basic aerodynamics. Back
when I was a young whipper snapper starting my
career as an aerodynamicist, there was a book that
we referred to, by a guy named Hoerner. The book
shows drag for just about every practical shape possible, airplanes, cars and components thereof. It
was from the late 1950's. I looked it up on the internet at a used book place "alibris.com" and was
shocked to find a $220 sticker. I wish that I had
held on to my old book. Any way it was a standard
reference back then and confirms all that we have
said about DRAG. Read on there's more.
There are other aerodynamic factors to consider. The gear contributes to STABILITY / INSTABILITY & TRIM on all three axes, pitch, roll
and yaw, pant or pant less. Anything that you stick
out in the air stream affects the overall aerodynamic package. For starters, anything that is placed
forward of the c.g. is destabilizing in pitch and yaw
and anything aft of the c.g. is stabilizing. Roll stability and trim are not likely to be significantly affected.
The gear part of overall aerodynamics is
generally much smaller than major components
such as the wing, horizontal stab, vertical stab, and
the overall fuselage. Generally, the gear effect may
crop up in the yaw/roll coupling of the airplane requiring some mixing to get nice knife-edge flight.
In fact for older aircraft such as the DR this may be
required, regardless of what gear configuration that
you use.
Gear affects aerodynamics as follows: For a
tail dragger the main gear is forward of the c.g. and
therefore is destabilizing in yaw in that it counters
the stabilizing moment of the vertical fin. It also
provides a rolling moment opposite to that of the
vertical fin. In case of tricycle gear you have to
look at all three "thingees" hanging down in the
breeze. The nose gear is very forward of the c.g.
while the mains are aft of the c.g. but all three unbalance the aircraft roll-wise in knife edge flight.
So, depending on the vertical stab/rudder
design, it could be better or worse off with whatever gear configuration that you choose. You can't
tell until you do it. I would suggest go with your
heart and whatever you fancy, then dial in some
mixing to account for any configuration shortcomings.
Just thought some of you might be interested in this little tid bit. The above is by no means
a comprehensive analysis.
Ken Blackwell-SPA 98
Aztec Airplane Factory-SPA Legal Kits
Tanglefoot $195 plus shipping
New Orlenian $190 plus shipping
Jim Kirkland's A-6 Intruder $210 plus shipping
The Equalizer $195.00 plus shipping
Available soon - the original T2A by Tom Atkins
We have four (soon to be five) different kits. The
kits are fiberglass, carbon fiber reinforced fuselages
with foam wings. Deluxe kits are also available
which include sheeted wings and stabs and precut
bulkheads for an additional $130.00.
George Truett-PO Box 1699-Chiefland, FL
32644
(352) 493-9656-gltruett@svic.net
Contest Calendar
Sanctioned SPA Events Per Lamar Blair
4/28/01 - 4/29/01 - Cullman, AL, 5th Annual SPA
Championships, SPA
Steve Byrum - 256-734-3114(D) 256-737--9828
(N)
1326 3rd St. S.E., Cullman, AL 35055
6/02/01-6/3/01– Knoxville TN, Senior Pattern
Association, Event SPA
Dennis Hunt –865-482-6188(D) 865-482-6188(N)
700 W. Vanderbilt Dr, Oak Ridge, TN 37830
7/28/01 - 7/29/01 - Dallas, GA, Hotlanta SPA
Contest, SPA
Mickey Walker - 770-435-8158(D) Same(N)
311 North View Pl., Smyrna, GA 30080
9/15/01-9/16/01– Montgomery, AL, 2001 SPA
Masters. Event (SPA)
Mike Hare-334-272-2537(D) 334-546-2699(N)
Plans for SPA-eligible Designs
This is a list of designs eligible for SPA that are available as magazine-size photocopies of the plans and, in most
cases, the article as well.
Many of them are not on the SPA approved list, but the necessary documentation is here.
I have put this together from my collection of old magazines, and was amazed at how many there were, even though I
don't have several that are listed by SPA.
The copies are a good way of checking out what designs look like. You can also enlarge the plans
so they are fully usable, by the usual photo-enlargement or scanning.
I can send copies by airmail at a price of US$5 for every two designs ordered . Please send currency (bills) only, because checks are too expensive to clear from New Zealand.
Address: Wayne Cartwright
PO Box 946-Pukeko-Auckland New Zealand
Email: j-w.cartwright@clear.net.nz
Note that the Blue Angel is available only as a full size plan. The price of this is US$20 including airmail.
I would also like to obtain copies of designs that I don't have, on a swap basis.
1965 Thru 1975
Model
Atlas
Banshee
Blue Angel
Cajun Queen
Configurator
Crusader
Cutlass
Cutlass Supreme
Daddy Rabbit I
Dirty Birdy
and kit from Bridi
El Tigre
Eyeball II
Intruder
Kaos
King Altair
Kwik Fli II
Kwik Fli III
Designer
Matt
Martin
Yoshioka/Kato
Penrod
Buso
Brooke
Coleman
Coleman
Whitley
Bridi
Country
Leichtenstein
USA
Japan
USA
USA
USA
USA
USA
USA
USA
Magazine
RCM&E
FM
--AAM
AAM
MAN
MAN
kit
MAN
RCM
Donohue
Schroeder
Kirkland
Bridi
Husak
Kraft
Kraft
USA
USA
USA
USA
USA
USA
USA
AAM
MAN
MAN
RCM
RCM
RCM
MAN
Mach I
Miss Norway
Mr. Ed IV
Panzer D20
Page
Totland
Brothers
Brand
USA
Norway
USA
South Africa
MAN
RCM
RCM
MAN
Pegasus
Phantom 1
Phoenix I
Phoenix 5
Slik Fli
Striker
Sun Fli 3
Super Kaos
Superstar II
Tiger Panzer
Tiger Tail
Wilmot
Klineyoung
Lowe
Lowe
Kraft
Russell
Bridi
Bridi
Matt
Bland
Chidgey
USA
USA
USA
USA
USA
England
USA
USA
Leichtenstein
South Africa
USA
RCM
RCM
RCM
AAM
RCM&E
RCM&E
RCM
RCM
RCM&E
RCM
RCM&E
USA
USA
USA
USA
USA
USA
USA
USA
USA
USA
USA
RCM&E
RCM
FM
AAM
MAN
MAN
RCM
MAN
AAM
AAM
RCM&E
Comments
World Champion 1975
Full size plans available from FM
World Champ 1973; full size plans
Developed from Intruder
Full size plans available from MAN
Full size plans available from MAN
Full size plans available from RCM
Full size plans available from MAN
Influential design
Full size plans available from RCM
Full size plans available from RCM
Full size plans available from RCM
World Champion 1967. Full size
plans from MAN
Full size plans available from MAN
Full size plans available from RCM
Full size plans available from RCM
Full size plans from MAN, kit from
Zimpro
Full size plans available from RCM
Full size plans available from RCM
Full size plans available from RCM
Successor to Kwik Fli
Full size plans available from RCM
Full size plans available from RCM
World Champion 1971
Full size plans available from RCM
Thru 1965 (Antique)
Astro Hog
Candy
Citation
Flattop Stormer
Interceptor
Kingcobra
Kwik Fli I
Orion
Pegasus
Perigee
Qualifier
Dunn
Weirick
Roth
Spreng
deBolt
Hester
Kraft
Kazmirski
Nelson
Brett
Nelson
Full size plans available from RCM
US Nats winner 1961
One of first to use retracts
Full size plans available from RCM
World Champion 1960
World Champion 1962
Full size plans available from John
Pond Plans
Sabre Hawk IV
Smog Hog
Stormer
Sultan
Taurus
Voltswagen
Whistler
Izzo
Bonner
Spreng
Nelson
Kazmirski
Hartranft
Brooke
USA
USA
USA
USA
USA
USA
USA
IDAHO RC PILOT DISCOVERS
SPA FELLOWSHIP
I'm Mike Riggs, SPA number 178, I live in Boise,
Idaho and I'd like to do a bit of "sharing".
I stumbled across the SPA Website several
months ago and being a sport kind of RC pilot, it
really caught my interest. I posted a question..."Where do I find Daddy-Rabbit pictures on
the web"?
That one query was all it took....I had a
flurry of replies, the first came from Ken Blackwell
in Enterprise, AL. Not only a photo but loads of
general information. A night or two later, Bruce
Underwood E-Mailed me suggesting I become an
SPA member and join the fun even though I am
long-distance from the hub of competition activity.
He convinced me to ship 20 bucks and application
which yielded my membership card, etc. in just a
few days. He "slick-tongued" me into voting for
him rather than "write-in" for President.
After studying results I decided on starting
with a Zimpro DR short kit...my dad used to
say..."blaze new trails only after you have walked
ones well traveled". Excellent decision considering
I had only built sport planes prior, no pattern ones.
As I progressed with the assembly, I would
post questions on the SPA mail list...and "bang"
there would come how to input right back. Not only
did I receive useful info, I got a few "witty" sentences (usually from you-know-who) that turned
my frustration into a smile...or at least a giggle.
As a believer that "Wings" make airplanes
fly, I was pleased that designer Jim Whitley incorporated a big wing on the DR. He is a guy after my
own heart....big wings. (Ed note: Whitley's hands
and feet are too)..
I opted for a one-piece wing which I
mounted using a single 5/16th dowel in front and
two 1/4- 20 nylon bolts in the rear. I intend to use
an OS-91 4S for power. Found one from a friend
for $180.00. I will use a 16 oz. DuBro tank unless a
problem with draw develops and I will then solve
RCM
RCM&E
AAM
AAM
MAN
RCM&E
AAM
Full size plans available from
Qualified for 1963 World Champs
Full size plans available from John Pond Plans
Qualified for World Champs
that with a 12 Oz. one with 4 Oz. "hopper". Most
mounted the OS sideways to assist fuel-draw, I will
do same. The prop recommended was an APC 12
1/2 x 10. Since my engine is non-pumped I'll use a
standard Dave Brown FS 90 Mount.
I'll use 2 1/2 or 2 3/4" wheels as mains with
maybe 1/4' smaller on the nose as it's gonna be trike
gear. I like tricycle since it ground handles better in
the Idaho wind. I got a lot of help with the gear assembly as the block-embedding method was new to
me. I found the use of polyurethane glues ideal for
this...careful to clamp pieces preventing the formation of tiny bubbles consistent with this type adhesive.
I really got the response when I asked about
finishing. Consensus is Monokote...however I love
silk span and Dope and will use that as it rekindles
memories of its' past use.
Final assembly of the Zimpro DR short kit
is a breeze...the wings & stab were pre-sheeted...I
just built fin & fuselage from the provided plans.
Excellent quality.
A note to less experienced builders...should
you encounter any difficulty assembling SPA eligible airplanes......just post HELP on the SPA mail
list...you'll get plenty. SPA, as an organization, provided me with more help than I ever imagined.
Mike Riggs SPA178 Boise, ID
From Our Fearless Treasurer
January and February have been
really busy for the SPA. Since
Eric Henderson featured us in his
Model Aviation column, Mickey
and I have handled a steady
stream of inquiries. Averaging
about a half dozen each week, we
have sent SPA information packets all over the country, and to several foreign
countries. It would seem that Mickey touched a
bigger nerve than ever imagined when he founded
SPA ten years ago. There is much overseas interest
in non-turnaround pattern. As recently as this week,
we've sent information to New Zealand. We've
gained about a dozen new members since the first of
the year. Hannu Riihela of Lahti, Finland is our first
foreign member. Pamela Sappington, Clinton, IN is
our first female member. As nearly as I can tell, John
Gausby, Glen Allen, VA, Dave Willis, Sevierville,
TN, Harvey Barnett, Port Orange, FL, Jeff Tarlton,
Malvern, AR, Edward Csanady, Brighton, MI, and
Richard Forbes, Miss. State, MS all found SPA as a
result of the Henderson article.
This was my first experience with the Perry,
GA swap meet. I was very pleased with the efforts of
our members. There were almost two dozen SPA
members present. Nearly all took their turn manning
the table. I shared the table with new member Harvey Barnett for most of the first two hours. After
that, guys just showed up and stayed a while. No
one had to stay too long, but everyone did his share.
We had planes from Jim Ivey, John Baxter and Ron
Reed. Aztec Airplane Factory, owned by George
Truett of Chiefland, FL donated a brand new Jim
Kirkland Intruder kit for a raffle on which SPA netted $110. During the afternoon, Tom Atkins and I
cornered AMA District Vice-president Jim McNeil.
Jim is proud that he was able to help SPA gain its
Special Interest Group status. If his camera survives,
you may even see Tom and I in an upcoming issue of
Model Aviation.
I am in the early stages of organizing an SPA
library. Included will be copies of as many plane
plans as I can get copies of. I am very concerned
that the various plans services may discontinue offering older style planes, and may dispose of plans they
feel they no longer have a market for. I'll publish a
list of the plans I already have, or have access to.
Mickey and Frank have both given me lists of what
they have. Sid Austin is going to allow me access to
both his and Dick's plans, also. The majority of the
plans I have now were forwarded to me by Dennis
Hunt out of Jim Jones' estate. As plans are requested,
I'll have copies made and mailed at whatever the actual cost is. The few I've sent out so far have cost
$8-12 including postage. After posting the list, please
let me know what other plans you may have which
are currently approved. Also, any documentation on
planes of our era, which is not on the approved list,
would be appreciated.
Steve Byrum
SPA EXPERT
1. TAKEOFF (U)
(DOWNWIND TRIM PASS)
2. SQUARE VERTICAL EIGHT (U)
3 THREE HORIZONTAL ROLLS (D)
4. THREE INSIDE LOOPS(U)
5. FOUR POINT ROLL (D)
6. 3 REVERSE OUTSIDE LOOPS (U)
7. 8 POINT ROLL (D)
8. TOP HAT (U)
9. SLOW ROLL (D)
10. DOUBLE IMMELMAN (U)
11. REVERSE CUBAN EIGHT (D)
12. INVERTED 3 TURN SPIN (U)
(FLY BY FOR LANDING)
13. LANDING PERFECTION (U)
SPA SPORTSMAN
1. TAKEOFF (U)
(DOWNWIND TRIM PASS)
2. DOUBLE STALL TURN (U)
3. 3 HORIZONTAL ROLLS (D)
4. 3 INSIDE LOOPS (U)
5. SLOW ROLL (D)
6. IMMELMAN TURN (U)
7. CUBAN EIGHT (U)
8. HORIZONTAL EIGHT (D)
9. 1 REVERSE OUTSIDE LOOP (U)
10. SHORT INVERTED FLIGHT (D)
11. 3 TURN SPIN (U)
(TURN AND) FLY BY FOR LANDING)
12. LANDING PERFECTION (U)
SPA NOVICE
1. TAKEOFF (U)
(DOWNWIND TRIM PASS)
2. STRAIGHT FLIGHT OUT (U)
3. PROCEDURE TURN (U)
4. STRAIGHT RETURN FLIGHT (D)
5. 3 INSIDE LOOPS(U)
6. ONE HORIZONTAL ROLL (D)
7. IMMELMAN TURN (U)
8. STALL TURN (U)
9. TRAFFIC PATTERN APPROACH (U)
10. LANDING PERFECTION (U)
Note: No Fly-Bys Allowed. Maneuvers
flown out of sequence shall be scored zero
(0).
From The Vice President
Hello SPAers,
As a charter member of the SPA, I have wondered what the
future holds for us for some time now. There have been times
when growth seemed very slow to nonexistent. This was a
curiosity to me, but nothing that I worried about very much. I
have always believed that our event would catch on and show
explosive growth, but if it didn't and things stayed as they
have been for the past three or four years, it was still the best
thing going.
I am convinced by recent events that SPA is reaching
the explosive growth stage of development. The publishers of
the magazines are beginning to pay some attention to us, the
folks I meet at various functions know who we are, and are
enthusiastic, and Mickey (Super Hacker) Walker tells me that
e-mail from interested parties is at an all-time high. I see
nothing but positive development for the future.
Scotty Barland, Malcolm Rutledge and I visited the Floyd
County club during one of their meetings to discuss the possibility of their holding an SPA contest. I fully expected that a
decision would be made at some time in the future.
These guys are my kind of people! They voted to have
the SPA contest the same night! Way to go Floyd
County!
The three of us who were there for the meeting have agreed to fly with the Floyd County flyers to
help them get ready for the contest. I am looking forward to the experience. If others could do the same, I
am sure that the effort would be appreciated.
My airplane for this year's campaign is coming along pretty well, but never fast enough. By the
end of this weekend I hope to have it primed. Things
never seem to go as quickly as I would like, but the
thought of my being in a hurry is too horrible to contemplate.
I have talked to Mickey about plans for SPA
legal airplanes recently. I realize that there are still
quite a few plans available, but if someone has a set of
plans that are not now available, I will draw them in
AutoCAD so we will have them for the future. Let me
know. This is a time consuming effort, and it will not happen
overnight, but I will do them as quickly as possible.
Marty Barry and I have been doing some research on
2-cycle engines and mufflers. For those of you who still like
the 2-strokers there is reason for some excitement. We have
tested various readily available mufflers and found that the
Performance Specialties units will give you the same RPM as
an open exhaust and do a decent job of muffling in the process. On our YS side exhaust engines we are getting 11,300
RPM with an APC 12x10 prop. I believe that this combination will be UNBELIEVEABLE on my 7 lb. T-2-A.
The OS 91 4-strokers have had a decided torque advantage over their 2-stroke 61 brothers, and I believe that a
combination similar to this will help close the gap. I also believe that more choices will be good for the event. It will be
interesting to see how these things develop during the next
year or so.
I look forward to seeing everyone at the contests this
season. There is no greater group on the planet. This will undoubtedly be the best season yet.
Tom Atkins
Malcolm reviews patterns at FCRC meeting
Senior Pattern Association
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Address___________________________ Phone _____________
City-State-Zip _________________________________________
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Membership Dues $20.00 Make checks payable to Senior Pattern Association
Mail to:
Steve Byrum
1326 3RD St. SE
Cullman, Alabama 35055
Jim Ivey and Frank Stewart are
obviously up to no good! (Ed.)
Editor’s Corner
Daddy Rabbits Abound!
503 is Mickey Walker’s new Rabbit complete with
OS-91 and JR equipment. Several of Knoxville’s
KCRC are building new ones. The next news letter
will be generated
after the Cullman
contest. I plan on
having lots of pics
and the latest HOT
SPA information
Ed Hartley &
Dennis Hunt’s
New Rabbits for
2001
I spoke with Dave Brown the other day and he is
going to make every effort to attend the KCRC
contest. I look forward to seeing Dave and Sally
again. I hope to see many of you at Cullman. They
always have a good show.
Hold back pressure in the turns!
Ed Hartley
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