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Nikita's Catalog Nikita@alum.MIT.edu Copyright 2013 Myths, Mythology, and being Mythaken All guns in this catalog are used. They also are not sold as collector’s items, but for actual use after appropriate inspection, adjustment and, if needed, repair. Exploring the area of myths, mythology of guns, and being mythaken is the first step, to comment on some misconceptions. Some people believe a new gun is better than a used one, for a variety of reasons. For some of the lower quality guns, this might reduce the time before the gun fails, and place it within a warranty period. For a high quality gun intended for actual use, that likely is closer to being mythaken than the reality of the situation. For most guns, full accuracy is not reached until at least several hundred rounds are fired, even for single shot guns. Also, many parts failures occur in the first 100 firings. A quality gun past that point actually is less likely to fail. There also is a problem of variation in accuracy between guns. For the older Tanner rifles, and current G&E and Keppeler rifles, this is almost zero. For the other guns, it is between mild to severe. All the guns listed here were tested in actual target or other use, and found to be suitable for the purpose, excluding that rare one that meets the specifications, but still has poor end accuracy. The guns illustrated are ones that are available when this list was prepared. Some are one of a kind. For others, several nearly identical guns are available. Please feel free to ask for additional images. If the specific gun illustrated is not available but a very similar one is available, images can be provided as desired. The catalog is arranged with handguns first, followed by rifles. In general, the lower cost types are first. However, cost can vary quite a bit for one in near perfect condition, or complete with all accessories and original packaging. All of these guns are used, but in excellent to perfect mechanical condition. Cosmetics are very good to like new. Prior use was in Germany and adjoining countries, for target shooting, other sports use, police, or intelligence activities. Prices vary with the Euro. For some, the final cost also is not known, as import fees still are pending. As a result, prices are grouped by range, rather than a specific dollar amount. Most prices for gun and one magazine. Additional magazines are available for all European guns, but only with a gun purchase. Upper sections are without magazines, but additional ones are available. For the Hammerli 208 and 215 and S series, a number of frame and barrel weights are available (Hammerli, GSP), and are offered separately. With the Steyr, the rail and two weights are included with each gun. For the USA guns, commercial magazines are available but not sold with the guns. Some of the High Standard guns include weights. Among the handguns, probably the SAKO TriAce is the most accurate, with the P240 being a not-bad second. The AW93 and 208 are about equal as third. The GSP in some hands is equal to the 208, not quite as good for others. The S&W M41 and High Standard Victor are less accurate, but repair parts are easy to obtain. The Victor is more tolerant of high velocity ammunition, but use of that ammunition in the High Standard guns still is not recommended. The M41 all are the older M41 versions by the "original" S&W, with quality comparable to or better than the current Custom Shop guns. The High Standard are CT guns, with one Texas version. Among the rifles, the Walther guns offer superb accuracy and quality at a moderate price. The Anschutz guns (except for one 1403) all are based on the Model 54. For the 1400 and later series, the main change was in the trigger, which was improved. Whether this improved the accuracy of the gun is a matter of opinion. Also the newer diopter sights are easier to use. Many want the metal stocks for these rifles. Most of the listed rifles have wood stocks, but for purchasers of these rifles only, adjustable metal stocks by Tesro and Keppeler can be provided by me on special order. Also, Anschutz stocks can be obtained from the US distributors. The Tesro stocks are less expensive, but offer a little less range of adjustment than the most expensive Anschutz and G&E stocks. The Keppeler stocks are better than the Anschutz and G&E or Walther stocks, and can be switched between a wide variety of rifles. Feel free to ask for advice and help in selecting the best item for your needs. Our intention is to provide the best quality gun that also is the best match to the user's needs, at the lowest possible cost. High Standard: The High Standard guns from CT are very accurate, with the Victor being the last of the models. The CT guns are significantly better than the current production with regard to accuracy and trigger quality. These guns, like the S&W 41, are not as accurate as the Hammerli and GSP guns, due to the high barrel position, but they are quite good, and far better than most "modern" .22 guns. For most models, only a typical gun is shown and several slightly different ones are available. The difference between them is slight. A barrel weight is included with this Supermatic Citation, as is a trigger stop. Note, this is a relaxed grip style, not military grip. The rear sight is mounted on the slide. It also is the only Supermatic Citation available at this time. A few of the model 102-103 Olympic guns will be available. Most of these are the ISU model, which have an integral muzzle brake at the end of the barrel. Some have ports along the barrel as well. One will be the nonISU model that could accept a muzzle brake (“stabilizer” in High Standard terminology), but these devices were abandoned soon after they were introduced due to poor accuracy that resulted. Historically, several US manufacturers had “winning” guns at the Olympics, but these were rare and far between. The first was Colt with its military revolver in the Standard Pistol competition at the First International Olympiad. The High Standard 102 Olympic was another medalist (without the stabilizer), and finally the S&W model 3 on one occasion in free pistol competition. Other than these, American guns have not fared well at the Olympics, but US potential contenders like Annie Oakley also were barred from competition. The Olympic ISU illustrated has the usual barrel weights (which set up a countervibration in the barrel) and is a left handed model. Prices are at $750-1000 for this gun. These are a few of a number of Victors. Some are from Hamden, some from Hartford. There is a $100-200 price difference depending on city of origin (Hamden being more expensive) but quality is the same. Some of the guns have the OEM barrel weights attached at higher price, others like this one do not. Some of the Hamden guns have steel vented ribs, one has a solid aluminum rib. The S&W M41 all are the older manufacture (no letter prefix, or earlier A series), and very high quality. Most have original boxes, at $100 higher price in general. One magazine is included, but a few old magazines are available. The M41 is derived from the Walther Olympia, which also was the model for the Hammerli 208. Both probably are derived from the Reising target gun in many ways. The trigger on these guns probably is not as good as the Hammerli 208, and not so easily adjusted. Like the Victor, the rear sight actually is attached to the barrel, not the slide. The Hammerli 208 attaches the rear sight to the frame itself. The Walther GSP is derived from the Mauser C96 handgun, via a design from a Mauser gunsmith in the early 1960s. The GSP uses a model system where the frame, trigger, breech, and barrel all are separate but interchangeable modules. The breech system design and "relaxed" or angled grip lower the barrel level significantly, improving accuracy in use. Unlike the S&W and High Standard (and Hammerli), the trigger position is adjustable on the GSP, and the trigger pull is easy to adjust as well. Older GSP can be converted from .22lr to .22 s easily. While the .32 upper sections "fit" the older frames, the older .32 magazines are very rare and the newer ones will not fit the older frames unless modified extensively. The newer frames accept all 3 calibers. The original trigger unit for the GSP was a single stage trigger. A later, second stage trigger is available as an accessory or replacement. It is adjustable for pull and finger position. The second stage can be reduced, but can not be eliminated completely. The oldest GSP have safeties, but none of the middle era or newer ones. The new trigger will not "utilize" the safety, but can be installed in all guns. The GSP is available in blued or nickel finish. Also, a 10" barrel in .22lr is available, designed for silhouette shooting (after replacement of the recoil spring) or use as a free pistol. It is very heavy, however. Also, a Walther and an aftermarket rifle conversion kit is available for the GSP, which accepts scope or iron sights. Prices on the GSP vary considerably, with the nickel plated ones being significantly more expensive. For this gun, .22lr and .32 upper sections also are available from me separately. Prices include one magazine per gun, but extra are available in all 3 calibers, but only with gun or upper section purchases. A few Walther custom cases (molded) and auxiliary barrel and frame weights are available as well, again only with gun purchase. The most recent gun, the "Expert" uses a recoil buffer patterned after that of the AW93. The degree to which this improves accuracy is disputable, even though it does reduce perceived recoil of the gun and movement of the gun after the bullet leaves the barrel. The GSP design is the basis of the new Pardini and Morini .22 guns, as well as several others. The standard GSP, in Europe, generally is the favored target gun even above the AW93 and 208, due to the balance between accuracy, reliability, and good function with a wide range of ammunition. For those wanting a gun with superb accuracy and function at a moderate price, an older GSP probably is the best choice, if a gun with a relaxed or sloped grip that is somewhat front-heavy is acceptable. Please note, some state and local laws consider these guns to be assault weapons, even though the standard magazine capacity is 5 rounds. The older standard GSP magazine is 5 rounds, and an aftermarket 10 rd can be provided. For the new GSP, the capacity is 5, 8 or 10 rounds in .22 and 5 in .32 or 22 short (OSP). The first 2 images are of an older GSP with safety. The magazines can be flat, or curved base for these. These frames do not accept the current .32 magazines, but can accept the new triggers. The grip for this gun is not typical of the standard GSP grip, which has an adjustable shelf on the outer (usually right) side. This gun has a high quality, but aftermarket grip. This is the newer type of 2 stage trigger for the GSP. There were two versions of this trigger, and this is the newer one of the two. They will fit all models of the GSP. This one is preset at 1000 grams, but adjustment is simple. This is the "standard" blow-molded GSP case. It is designed for 2 guns and a center section for either a third upper section or the 10" barrel, plus magazine retainers. Sold with gun only. This is a nickel plated GSP. Most of these use the newer style grip, where the mounting screw is at the bottom. The frame on this gun however accepts all 3 magazines. There are no factory nickel OSP upper sections. This gun also illustrates the standard Walther grip adjustment The long barrel illustrated, on and off the gun, is the 10" barrel by Konig of Germany. The barrel is available separately, or with the gun. This barrel is very heavy, and not easy to use for free pistol shooting. It fits all versions of the GSP. Unlike the rifle barrel which was available both from Walther and aftermarket, there never was a Walther factory OEM 10" barrel for the GSP. Unlike some barrels, the position of the muzzle block is not adjustable on this barrel, and the crown is recessed into the block. The magazine on this gun uses the curved base, which was standard for most but not all of the older frames, and for the OSP. In this image, the gun uses an older style grip with upper grip attaching screws, and an adjustable palm rest position. Thes next two GSP .32 SWL guns are a later model, with a wider magazine well. These accept the newer .22 magazines. The old .22 magazines can be converted to fit. They also accept the new triggers, but use the upper bolt attachment for the older style grip. In choosing a grip, the finger grooves can feel nice, but must align exactly with your hand, or accuracy is influenced adversely. Black base but the blue Expert magazines will fit. This one is very similar but no finger groves. This 25th Year commemorative GSP will be available. The bolt is TiN coated, similar to the Atlanta models, but with a nickel-plated frame and special barrel weight. A late version 2 stage trigger is standard. This gun will be available only in the complete 22/32 set. In the GSP Expert, the recoil absorbers are in the muzzle attachment. Although it looks like a muzzle brake, it is not. Unlike the prior GSP guns, the barrel is round, and slightly longer. The front sight is moved rearward, for a shorter sight radius. The new trigger is standard on the gun, but the old trigger (single stage) can be retrofitted, and is available from me. A .32 upper section also is available from USA suppliers. The grip on this gun illustrates both the current adjustment mechanism for the lower shelf, and the change from screws at the upper part of the grip, to the very underside of the base (invisible from the side) for attachment. Price of a used set as illustrated is 80% of current new sales price. A .32 upper section also will be available. This is the aftermarket rifle barrel, fitted to a GSP with new 2 stage trigger. The gun has an integral scope mount, but retains the original iron sights. This version is aftermarket by B&W, known as the Sporter 2000. It will fit all GSP versions. Stock padding or shims will be required for the older GSP guns, which use a slightly narrower frame. At a slightly better level of accuracy, but with a traditional right-angled grip similar to the Colt 1911 style, are the Hammerli 208 and its variations, the 212, 215, and S models of the 208 and 215. The primary gun of the series is the 208, These are derived from the Walther Olympia, with extensive revision and refinement by Hammerli gunsmiths. Trigger pull and free play are adjustable on these guns. Some older models have an external coarse adjustment for the trigger pull. A few have hammer block safeties. The 212 has a shorter barrel, and usually has a rear sight that is adjustable for windage only. The rear sight is mounted on the slide. The 212 may have a trigger block safety. Price varies, depending on condition and how complete the accessories may be, with one magazine. Barrel weights for the 208 are extra, and vary in mass from 80 to 320 grams. The most popular are 80 and 300 grams. The 212 uses a 50 gm weight usually, included with the gun. The front barrel weight attaches to a dovetail. It both changes the feel of the gun, and can be used to tune the barrel for better accuracy. Aftermarket sight mounts are available, that attaches to this dovetail, or alternatively span the front and rear sights. The dovetail mount also can be modified to fit the 212. The next image is a 208 with no safety, but with an external coarse trigger pull adjustment (at the red dots) as well as a fine adjustment (upper center of the trigger) and trigger stop (the disc behind the trigger). Trigger position is not adjustable on these guns. The 80 gram weight is illustrated. The 215 is very similar, but uses a rounded upper section to the barrel that is ring cut, and a goosebeak muzzle end. Accuracy is similar, but the reflection pattern from the upper barrel can be annoying or distracting. The 212 has a 1" shorter barrel, but the same basic mechanism as the 208. The safety is only a trigger block, if present. The little rod behind the trigger is a trigger block, for aid in rapid fire use. The grip on this gun can be replaced with a target grip, but the magazine catch also should be changed for the longer grip length (or conversely, if this grip is used on the 208). The 212 is a little more accurate than the 208 at 25M, and a little less at 50M due to the shorter barrel. Both use standard velocity ammunition only, but can use low velocity ammunition if desired. These guns are uncommon. Most are a few hundred dollars higher than the parallel 208, but above that of otherwise comparable 208 guns. The low-profile rear sight renders them more convenient for field, police, and similar uses. In this model, the trigger block behind the trigger is not present. This one also uses a wide trigger and a later version of the trigger pull adjustment, which is a little easier to access. The 208 S (and 215 S) differ from the non-S models in having adjustable trigger position and some internal changes to the trigger mechanism and recoil springs. Gunsmiths find them easier to adjust and easier for recoil spring changes. Also, the triggers are 2 stage, and not single stage as they are on the non-S models. Some feel the S models are much better, others have tried them and returned to the older versions due to the trigger primarily. Price varies depending on cosmetics and completeness of accessories. Some of those illustrated have Morini grips rather than OEM Hammerli grips. Magazines are 8 or 10 rounds, with two styles of bases, as shown in the illustration below. This gun illustrates a modified 270g barrel weight. The Feinwerkbau AW93 is a Soviet design, further adapted and made in Germany. With a two stage trigger adjustable for pull and position, there also is a pair of recoil buffers at the front of the barrel. Accuracy does vary somewhat from gun to gun, but generally is within a similar range to the Hammerli 208. The grip is close to the right angle of the Hammerli, but also is available with a side-canted angle if desired. All AW93 have a firing pin block safety, which also serves as a dry fire device. Magazines are limited to 5 rounds, only. Price range is similar to the S model Hammerli guns price group. Two magazines are included with each gun at this price, there is no limit on additional ones purchased with the gun, and these magazines can be purchased without the gun if desired. These guns also come with the OEM case for most of them. A word of caution in looking at the test targets. Hammerli test targets are prepared with a special barrel clamp on the gun, which causes a far better apparent accuracy than can be obtained otherwise. The GSP, AW93, and P240 test targets are fairly representative of the accuracy of the gun. The test target below is 10 rounds at 25 Meters. The SIG P240 is somewhat better than the above guns for accuracy, but the difference is slight. Unlike the others, the P240 can be converted between .22lr, .32, and .38 with just a change of the upper section and magazine. All three calibers are available as primary gun, with upper sections and magazines in each caliber also available. Price dependsing on appearance and completeness of the accessories. The upper section original to the gun is SN matched to that of the frame. These guns use a locking system very similar to the SIG-Sauer guns, and rather different from the P210. A variety of OEM grips also were used, as with the 208 and 212 including the somewhat modified target grip. Others prefer the aftermarket Nill grips. The test targets are the P240 do not "cheat" in the matter of the 208212-215 guns with a barrel clamp, and reflect their true accuracy. Most consider the P240 to be the truly ultimate SIG handgun. The following illustrate some of the P240 available in .32 and .38. All P240 have a slight first shot inaccuracy, not as severe as the P210, about the same as the GSP, and somewhat worse than the SAKO. All are in excellent mechanical condition with slight to minimal cosmetic blemishes from use. Some original boxes are available, but most show the usual deterioration with time. All are priced at 1900-2200 with one magazine. A box generally is $50-100 extra depending on the condition of the box. A few replacement upper sections in .22, .32, and .38 are available, but only to purchasers of the guns. Extra magazines will be available from me next year for purchasers of the guns, and are available now from other vendors. They are expensive. Other P240 are available in addition to those illustrated. Please ask if info on those is needed. The guns differ only in the style of the grip. A few others are available in .32 and .38 not listed here. All but one of the guns have matching-parts serial numbers and are not hybrids. One has a match SN barrel and upper section, but the lower section differs in SN. A few .22 upper sections will be available for these guns next year. Several other .32 and .38 P240 are available, not illustrated below. The .22 guns and upper sections will be available in 2014. Please note, the twist rate of these guns is about the same as the GSP. The SAKO .32 uses a faster twist rate. Combat Hammerli-style grip .32. This grip style was used on the 208 American models with safeties and Coltstyle magazine releases, in the late 1960s and early 1970s. Nill also made a combat style grip for this gun, which is excellent: This .32 illustrates the adjustable target type grip. The test target, from this gun, is typical of all P240, showing the first shot inaccuracy on the left, and the subsequent grouping. Another target style grip follows: In this .32 P240, a fixed shelf target grip was used. Some putty fill has been added, but is removable easily. The P240 in .38 is very similar in appearance and design: On this, one, the grip has had some minor recutting and putty fill. The gun is in excellent mechanical condition. and another .38 Free Pistols For both some types of field use, and also sports use, the single shot Free Pistol is either preferred, or required. Usually these guns have 10" barrels, occasionally 12" and rarely 6". All are single shot, usually .22lr but a few old ones were in .22 short. The current free pistols generally have trigger pulls at around 1-2 ounces, but can be set higher. Among these guns, the Steyr is supreme for accuracy, with 50 Meter accuracy of about 0.15 minutes of arc for 10 rounds, or better than most target rifles. These guns attain their accuracy by minimizing barrel vibration, extremely light trigger pull, and placing the barrel as low as possible. The Steyr carries this last feature to the extreme, placing the barrel at the level of the index finger, such that the gun has no rotation or movement while the bullet is traveling down the barrel. Unfortunately, the lower the barrel, the higher the sights. The weight bar on the Steyr serves both to shift the feel of the gun, but also to tune the barrel with weight counter-vibration. The bar also aids in aligning the sight with the barrel. This gun also is designed for use with the entire gun canted, if desired. Steyr still maintains a good supply of parts for these guns, in Austria. All free pistols can be used with any velocity ammunition. The Steyr muzzle brake aids with this. Factory case is included with the Steyr. Extra-large grip and small to medium grips, and standard LH grip are available and in stock. Small grips are available from Rink, Nill, and Morini. All Steyr FP were made in their entirety by one person at the Steyr factory. There is slight variation in test target accuracy between individual guns. The worst are as good as the average Anschutz match rifle. The best are at 0.13 MOA for 10 rounds at 50M. The gun generally should be used with the weight system illustrated. Otherwise, the shots can develop a bimodal pattern of oscillation between two impact points. At a lower cost, and slightly less accuracy, is the Pfuff free pistol. This gun was a very specific design for users with smallish hands. Like the Steyr, materials are superb, as is workmanship. All those sold by me are original from the Pfuff workshop, and not later assemblies from left-over parts. This gun features a dry fire ability for practice and trigger pull adjustment. Accuracy in testing, 20 rounds at 50 M generally is 0.2 to 0.25 MOA. The front sight position can be adjusted along the barrel to tune the barrel or sight radius. Aftermarket grips for the second version (below) are available from Rink and Nill. The specific gun illustrated below is not available, but other Pfuff pistols of similar design and accuracy are available. These are among the most accurate pistols made. The gun illustrated is sold, but a similar one is available. and the first version: Hammerli has made a number of free pistols over the years. The oldest offered in this group now is the 106, part of their Olympic medallist series that began with the 100. The design was copied in part in other later guns. Although these guns are Olympic medallist guns, the best and unbeaten scores are with the Soviet MC-55 and second best tended to be with the TOZ-35. These both are low quality guns (especially the MC-55) which performed extremely well in the hands of very skilled users, accompanied by a team of gunsmiths at every match. Thus, while the Hammerli guns are better and the Steyr are truly superior, their scores were not necessarily so. The 106 uses a falling block breech system. The Pfuff uses a somewhat similar rotating block system, but a very different and absolutely super trigger design. The Hammerli 120 is an unusual free pistol. Based on the Luger locking system, the barrel position is quite high and the gun is heavy reducing accuracy in actual use. The 120 uses a tapered barrel to suppress vibration, and is fitted with an integral dovetail for optical sights. It also was designed for a detachable shoulder stock. Accuracy is very comparable to the 106 and the 150-160 free pistols, as good as most target rifles, but the trigger mechanism is simpler. All Hammerli free pistol test targets are not reliable reflections of gun accuracy, due to the barrel clamp used in testing. Probably several will be available. This is the only free pistol that uses a Colt 1911 style right-angle grip. The guns are available in the 120-2 format as shown with a palm shelf, or in the 120-1 format with a “combat” style grip with no lower shelf and a shorter handgrip.. Please note, some state and local laws consider some free pistols to be Assault Weapons due to design features, or do not include the specific gun on their approved pistol list. The Hammerli 150 uses a similar tapered barrel configuration for suppression of barrel vibration, but with a more typical falling block – martini action, and sloped handgrip. The trigger also is more refined, adjustable to lower pull weights and more position options. The one illustrated has some surface rust from storage, but otherwise is in excellent condition. A complete set, cosmetically excellent condition, will be available as well. The Hammerli 160 uses a similar barrel design to the 120, but with a more typical “rolling block” receiver action, better trigger, and standard free pistol style grip. Cartridge extraction is vertical rather than to the side, and very reliable. The trigger also is more consistent and can be set to lower levels of pull weight, as well as adjustable for position. On the 160, weights for balance and countervibration are in the fore-end of the stock. This part of the stock is relatively elastic, reducing the amount of counter-vibration produced for barrel tuning. Choosing a handgun: As a brief guide to selection from the handguns offered, the High Standard and S&W offer parts availability and lower price, plus a design more adapted to high velocity ammunition if that is your choice and premature failure of the gun is something you can accept. Generally that ammunition is not recommended for target shooting, and is not recommended even for those guns. Accuracy is significantly lower, and the higher velocity can not be achieved with the standard barrels. The S&W 41 and High Standard also offer 10 round magazines, and safeties. They are very good guns, suitable for target use. At a slightly to significantly higher price, the GSP offers significantly better accuracy and mechanical function, easily adjustable trigger position and trigger pull, ability to add magazine, frame, or barrel weights, or other calibers to the gun. The trade-off is the sloped grip angle (better accuracy, but for some, an adjustment), more limited parts availability, and larger physical size. For the Mauser C96 devotee or those considering a Pardini or Morini, the GSP is the obvious choice. Magazines are 5, 8, or 10 rd in .22. The feed on the GSP actually is not controlled by the feed lips of the magazine, but by the breech area of the gun. Single and 2 stage triggers are available, and are a modular interchange. The Hammerli 208 (and 215) offer accuracy that is as good as the GSP overall, although the barrel position is higher, requiring some experience with the gun to equal the GSP accuracy. Magazines are 8 or 10 rd. The main limitations are inability to adjust trigger position, and not as good a parts supply compared with the GSP, and not offering the modular interchanges. That said, competition scores with the 208 have never been bettered with any other gun. The S models have adjustable, 2 stage triggers but at a significantly higher price. The grip is similar to the Colt 1911 and S&W 41. The AW93 offer accuracy equal to (but not better than) the Hammerli, with an adjustable 2 stage trigger and good parts availability. Magazines are only in 5 rd capacity. Two grip positions (standard and canted) are available. The recoil buffer makes the gun "feel" better in use than ones without the buffer, but this affects feel, not accuracy or end function. A number of US national teams have switched from the 208 to the AW93, but as noted above, best scores have not changed. The SIG P240 is perhaps the best of the Colt Browning guns, with accuracy better than the 208, and a choice of 3 caliber interchanges. It is costly however, and parts are somewhat scarce. Magazines are available, but costly. Trigger function is adjustable, without too much difficulty, but trigger position is not adjustable. The SAKO TriAce is extremely accurate, but fussy for ammunition match with the gun. Everything is adjustable on it. Most parts are available from SAKO, but shipment to the USA has become costly when parts are needed. Among the free pistols, the TOZ35 has been popular in the USA and Soviet Bloc area. They are not included in this catalog, primarily due to issues with their quality. The Pfuff, interestingly, appeared at the same time as the TOZ-35 and was very highly rated in Germany by comparison to the TOZ. High cost and limited production made it less popular. Among the free pistols, the Hammerli guns may be the best option for the money, unless one opts for the Pfuff. The design parameters of the Pfuff (specifically for small to medium hand size) may favor that gun for some. Also, some models have 12" barrels. The Steyr is the ultimate in accuracy, but pricey and due to the very high sights, requires modifications in aim technique. In comparing these guns to current TOZ offerings, remember that the current ones may be the 35M, which is a more recent and somewhat lesser quality gun although still quite useful when its limitations and advantages are considered. Currently, the Morini free pistol tends to be foremost in popularity in the competition world. The competition guns are specially selected by the company, and usually provided to the competitors at no charge. Accuracy of the commercial issues of that gun is poor compared to any of the above.