Passing It On.... With A Twist - Bluegrass Wildwater Association
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Passing It On.... With A Twist - Bluegrass Wildwater Association
Award Winning Newsletter of The Bluegrass Wildwater Association since 1976. Sept/Oct 2013 In this issue: Passing It On... With A Twist The Gauley Variance Canoeist Completes 5,000 mile Canoe Trek Something to Aspire to! Off the Cuff: Comments From the Forum Worth Remembering Eddylines of Interest BWA Meeting Special program with Lonnie Bedwell telling about his trip thru the Grand Canyon! See pg. 5 Passing It On.... With A Twist B. J. Phillips We are approaching Nantahala Falls. My friend is behind me and it is his first descent. I keep turning my head around to be sure he is on line and still upright- he is. Britt Lindstrom is behind him helping make last second corrections. I bypass the traditional eddy at Truck Stop, but yell for him to try to slow down some to decrease our momentum and approach the middle line (Line B) just river left of the top hole while ‘hugging’ the current as close to that hole as possible. This is the easiest line for the Falls, and is the Continued on pg. 3 Looking Ahead Coming BWA Meetings Second Tuesday of the Month, 7:30 pm Bowlines is the Newsletter of the Bluegrass Wildwater Association, POB 4231, Lexington Ky, 40504 BWA Monthly Meeting Meet & Eat Club Officers 2012-2013 October: Meeting at Roosters President Vice-President Treasurer Secretary Safety Program Newsletter Cyber Communications Conservation Film Festival Coordinator Russell Fork River Festival Coordinator Equipment Coordinator At-Large Member Membership Coordinator Past President 124 Marketplace Dr Lexington, KY 40503 (859) 449-7737 http://www.yelp.com/biz/roosters-lexington Upcoming Program: Stop the press, drop what you're doing, and please join us in welcoming Lonnie Bedwell, who recently became the first blind person to kayak the Grand Canyon, as our guest host! ery special guest making a long trek down to Lexington to share his experience as the first blind person to kayak the Grand Canyon! We would like to invite all of you to come meet Lonnie (if you haven't already) and hear about his amazing journey! We've heard there may be some media present, possibly WKYT channel 27, as well....whoa! Big thanks to BJ and Adelessa for helping make this happen! Clay Warren Adelessa Harbour Jeff Kirkner Jacob Robinson Tim Minor Davy Lafferty Don Spangler Joe Wheatly Peter Stutts Bethany Overfeild 859-326-0602 859-230-1316 859-523-2730 859 608 5269 859-619-9495 859-576-2050 859-277-7314 859-361-0892 804-615-8909 859-519-5691 Steve Ruth 606-754-4348 William (BJ) Phillips 859-533-6722 Jeff Schetler 859-227-8820 Ali Blair 859-576-9409 Emily Grimes Join in on the Fun! Join the BWA! BWA Membership $20/individual; $25/Family year entitles you to receive the newsletter,10% discounts at many local and out of state outfitter shops, use of club equipment, discount at pool rolling sessions, a listing in the BWA Handbook, a stream gauge guide, and web site with a forum for member’s messages & a parking pass for the Elkhorn. I am also excited to announce we are going to try a new location for our monthly club meetings! After doing our due diligence, the Steering Committee voted last night to choose Rooster's, yes ROOSTER'S, as our meeting venue this month. Rooster's is located on the corner of Man O' War and Nicholasville Rd, in front of Wal-Mart. Meetings are held at 7:30, the second Tuesday of each month at location announced on our website: http://www.bluegrasswildwater.org We would love for everyone who comes to give us some feedback as to what you think about using this as our meeting place. I have attached a few pictures I took of their meeting room. It seats roughly 60 people comfortably, with a private bar and 3 high def TVs for potential A/V use. The manager is calling in an extra server just for us, so we will have 2 dedicated servers to feed you mangy mongrels. He said they have several clubs, including a ski club and a Gold Wing club, that use them for meetings...and he also advised me we could have it the 2nd Tuesday of every month through the foreseeable future if we so choose. I figure if they're good enough for the Gold Winger's, then they hafta be a good fit for us, right?! As usual, the meeting starts at 7:30, and if you would like to have dinner there, please show up a little early. I told the manager people may start showing up around 6:45 or so. Submission of newsletter articles can be on CD (Mac or PC). Pictures can be digital or ready to be scanned. Please include stamped envelope for return. Preferred method: Files can also be e-mailed to: DonSpang@aol. com Enjoy this issue of Bowlines? Check out Bowlines Online Archive with many great issues going back to 1998! Issue Archive: http://www.surfky-bwa.org/html/bowlines_arcN.html I look forward to seeing everybody either this weekend at our BWA fall party or on Tuesday (or BOTH hopefully)!!!! A must read for all members, our 30th Anniversary issue: http://www.surfky-bwa.org/bowlines/BL30thAnnv_Aug06.pdf Your humble prez, Clay The BWA wishes to thank Canoe Kentucky & Phillip Gall’s for their support. We urge you to patronize them for your outdoor needs. http://www.benchmarkoutfitter.com/ http://www.canoeky.com/ 2 line that my mentors taught me when they were ‘passing it on’ to me when I was a novice boater. I hug the hole and start down the green tongue and take one last look around and yell, “Paddle hard”. He is still behind me on a perfect line. I hit the curler wave at the base of the Falls and run it clean, and he flips at that wave (Not unusual for most of us) and does a textbook combat roll. He has run an almost clean first descent. people just beginning the sport and more advanced paddling at higher skill levels. Also, a B.W.A. member, Adelessa Grace, has “Adventure” weekends that does much the same for beginning paddlers. Lonnie attended one of those in the fall of 2012 at the Russell Fork and, again, showed great dedication acquiring the skills to be a paddler. Ron Hunt, another combat veteran paddler, and Robert Smith, a ‘local’ of the Elkhorn City area, helped me work with Lonnie at that clinic. Both of them said it was one of the greatest experiences of their kayaking, and personal, lives! Ron gave Lonnie a kayak and much gear. Plus, Benchmark of Lexington donated a new paddle (Thanks Benchmark and Neil!), and Lonnie never turned back- HE WAS HOOKED ON THE SPORT. Some will say that there is nothing exceptional about this first descent and it is typical at Nantahala Falls on a daily basis, but in this case it is nothing short of remarkable. You see, my friend, my paddling partner is 100% blind! His name is Lonnie Bedwell and I met him on a Team River Runner trip in 2012 in Montana at an “Outta Sight” clinic. That trip was his introduction to whitewater kayaking. We paddled the Yellowstone River that flows out of Yellowstone National Park and into a valley known locally as Paradise Valley, which is appropriately named. It is a beautiful river valley nestled among the mountains, hills, and the brilliant blue of Montana’s ‘Big Sky’ country. We stay at the ranch of Mike Story, who has allowed the participants of this trip to enjoy, and paddle, this scenic area in Montana. I am a combat veteran and kayaking has become my passion and therapy for the effects that war has on a person, and for the love of the sport! Between that fall session and the next time we met to paddle together, with the help of a paddler in Indiana, Lonnie had perfected rolling on both strong and weak sides. During the summer of 2013 Lonnie once again came to Lexington and we took off for Tennessee/ North Carolina to do some ‘Southeast’ boating. Our first run was on the Lower Pigeon (Class I/II). Lonnie nailed it and Robert Smith again joined us as I paddled lead giving verbal guidance. Lonnie did so well that I decided to skip the Hiawassee and go straight to the Nantahala (This is a ‘normal’ progression for Southeast boaters and the same progression that my mentors led me). The Nantahala is basically a Class II run with, of course, Nanthala Falls (Class III) at the end. It is a kayaker’s paradise though, with the area virtually designed for the river enthusiast. It was the site of the World’s Free styling Championships in 2013. For more advanced skill levels there are releases on the Upper and Cascades periodically. You have read about Lonnie’s first descent, but we tried various other lines and some resulted in carnage- but it was good carnage. His bombproof roll and paddling skills saved him from swims more than once and led me to believe that he was ready for the Upper Pigeon. We headed that way. On this trip ‘sighted’ paddlers, such as I, are paired up with totally or partially blind veterans and we all learn the techniques and skills of paddling and guiding our non-sighted brothers and sisters down whitewater. This section of the Yellowstone is class I/ II. We started out on a nearby lake to introduce the non-sighted participants to a kayak, paddle strokes, the ‘feel’ of being in a boat on water, wet exits, bow rescues, and how to lead and follow verbal commands. Then we progressed to a class I section to actually lead and follow verbal commands and ‘how to’ swim in current. Lonnie caught on quick to bow rescues and was performing them with no problem in moving water. The final step was a class II section known as Yankee Jim Canyon. Although all the non-sighted paddlers/veterans did phenomenal, Lonnie Bedwell sort of stood out with his determination to attempt to learn this sport! We fast became friends and agreed to meet again (He lives in Indiana and I live in Lexington, Kentucky) and paddle together. We did! The Upper Pigeon may be one of the best ‘secret’ Class II/III sections of whitewater in the Southeast, and, in my opinion, is a great river to ‘step it up’ to bigger water and to learn to read and run whitewater. It is a superb beginning intermediate run! The U.P., or Dirty Bird, as it is affectionately known locally, is challenging to paddlers stepping up from Class II water. To be honest I was somewhat hesitant about us achieving an Upper Pigeon run in such short time, but it was my highest, although perhaps farfetched, goals of this trip. After the Nanty I thought it was feasible. I am a member of the Bluegrass Wildwater Association (B.W.A.) and each year the B.W.A. holds a spring clinic at the Russell Fork River on the Kentucky/Virginia border to teach kayaking skills to 3 There were several paddlers now who wanted to paddle with Lonnie, and, by “happenstance”, we ran into Lou Rudolph, a local paddling friend at the put in. So we had plenty of safety. The kayaking community ‘knew’ something special was going on! I led, Britt Lindstrom was behind Lonnie, and a safety net was spread up and down the river. Just a bunch of ‘yakers’ having a good time on the river! Lonnie runs Powerhouse rapid clean at the put in. As we approach Lost Guide rapid he has ran the river clean following verbal communication and we go to mid river left following local outfitter Dave Crawford of Rapid Expeditions line. Lonnie flips at the hole/ wave at the bottom of the rapid but he combat rolls to cheers. When we tell other kayakers/ rafters, at the eddy on river right, that Lonnie is 100% blind they looked stunned or ask, “How is that possible?” The next major is Double Reactionary. This rapid is one of those confluences of currents that intermingle in a relatively narrow slot with a strong current from river left and a stronger current coming in from the right of the rapid and they slam into each other near mid river. The river right current being the dominant creates a curler wave and becomes the main channel current crossing from river right to river left. It can be a tricky but fun rapid! We take a line shown to me by Brent Austin (B.W.A. Class V boater) that he calls, “A Class IV move on a Class III rapid”. We skirt the holes and negotiate the boogie water approaching the rapid near river left, then cross over to mid river above the rapid where the kayak almost comes to a stall, and then the current along with some paddle strokes propels the kayak towards the ‘head’ of the curler of Double Reactionary. We hit the curler and have a swimmer- it is me! I got turned around too much trying to assure Lonnie is on line, miss the line, and drop off into a pour over sideways, get window shaded, and try repeated rolls to no avail- I pull! Lonnie stays on line with Britt’s help, flips at the curler, and does a combat roll. Sometimes leading and making verbal/visual contact with a non-sighted boater is like walking a tightrope where trying to keep them and yourself on line is not always easy. Also, as we all know, whitewater has a way of humbling us at times. The safety boaters gather myself, my boat, and my ego up and 4 we head into the final major rapid called Accelerator. Lonnie, and myself, and we didn’t take easy lines or sneaks. We took on difficult lines, caught eddies with We go into that rapid at mid river right where squirrelly water, and crashed through holes. With that said, at the age of 62, I keep trying to expand there is a tongue and follow the main current into a my own paddling skills with creek runs on the Little wave train that leads to slightly river left into where and the “Greenbrier” section in the Southeast in the the main current does an ‘s’ curve at the bottom of the rapid. Lonnie gets off line slightly at the ‘s’ curve, beautiful Smokey Mountains this year with the help of B.W.A. mentors and the kayaking community but runs Accelerator clean. ‘passing it on’. I do these runs in an old school Wave Sport Big EZ play/river runner. I am not ready to lie On the last section of Class II boogie water down YET or quit learning this sport that I love! and surf spots we approach a fun boof, that, if hit right, propels the kayak to cop a little air. Lonnie hits Oh, I guess you may be wondering what the boof perfect and we end the run of the Upper “something bigger” may have been for kayaker Pigeon laughing and yelling! Lonnie Bedwell. Well, my friend, my kayak partner, became the first non-sighted paddler in his own boat Lonnie, once again, attends the Team River to paddle the Colorado River section of the Grand Runner ‘Outta Sight’ clinic in 2013 and Chip Sell, a Canyon in late summer of 2013 with Team River combat veteran Washington state paddler, asked Runner. him, “ Who have you been paddling with?” Lonnie tells him and Chip thinks that he is ready for someAwesome stuff dudes! That is PASSING IT thing bigger. ON, with a twist! At this time let me say that we challenged Meet Lonnie Bedwell this Tuesday at Our BWA Meeting! Hear about his amazing kayaking trip down the Colorado thru the Grand Canyon! New BWA Meeting Location: "Rooster's" corner of Man O' War & Nicholasville Rd, in front of Wal-Mart. Meeting starts at Oct. 8@7:30... come a little early if you plan to eat. 5 The Gauley Variances Hanley Loller There's something about the opening day of Gauley Season. I guess for me it harkens back to my raft guiding days. There was always a lot of preparation in August leading up to Gauley Season. Actually there was a lot of preparation starting in spring, but it kicked into high gear in August when the regular business was starting to fall off. Training, gear, hiring extra people, guides would arrive from Colorado and New England and all my far flung friends working for Appalachian Wildwaters on the Ocoee, Nolichucky, Cheat, Upper Youghoigheny, Nantahala, French Broad, etc. would congregate at our New River outpost. With them they would bring extra buses to haul the extra guests, along with massive equipment vehicles loaded down with deflated rafts, pfd's and paddles. Every square foot of available space was occupied by a recreational migrant worker setting up a tent for the short, but lucrative season that we all loved so much. Everybody would come together, there would be beer and stories and lots of anticipation. I guess that's why when the air starts to get that slight dry, crisp late summer feel to it, I start getting a tiny flame of excited anticipation growing in my belly. This year was no different, despite the awesome water that made the summer of 2013 a season for the record books. Sometime in mid august I could barely stay focused on my work and I started making Gauley plans. This year I wanted to do a four-day stretch, which is difficult for me to swing these days. Actually I wanted to do a couple of them to take advantage of the higher releases, but you take what you can get and I got a four-day stretch set up for opening weekend. 6 It started with one of my favorite days to be on the Gauley, training day. The day before the opening day of the official season, the Corps typically releases some extra water into the Gauley for the rafting companies to do some training/refresher runs. This isn't scheduled, so driving up to catch it is an act of blind faith, but I had faith. Jeff Kirkner and I left Lexington about 7:00 AM and drove straight to Mason's Branch. When we got there I slipped on my old *Class VI River Runners* staff shirt and went to talk to the equipment drivers. Since Jeff and I were solo, we needed a shuttle. If you've never done the Gauley on an off day, you don't know what you're missing. Differing water levels really change the rapids on the Upper in particular. At 1500 the Upper G is creekier and more technical, requiring more maneuvering. The drops are steeper, there's a big hole in the bottom of second drop of Insignificant that is completely washed out at release. Pillow has technicality that you'd never guess at when it's running 2800, and a roostertail pinning rock that can easily get lost in the jumble, so watch where you're going. Lost paddle is steeper and narrower, but just about as squirrelly and Sweets Falls is definitely steeper, and taller. Add to that the fall air, the afternoon sun, and not another soul to be seen anywhere and you've got a day on the river that you'll never forget. That's when I love the Gauley best, when there's no one else around. Jeff and I toasted a successful day at the water's edge while we changed into our dry clothes at Mason's Branch and watched the water recede. The drivers confirmed that the Corps had released 1800 CFS that morning (Jackpot!) but they were cutting it back in about 15 minutes and that they could not assist us with shuttle. There were some other boaters there, but they were running some kind of complicated two-day shuttle on the lower and also could not help. We were just about to drive to the dam and set up camp when we ran acrose Tom Montgomery on his dirtbike. (Double Jackpot!!!) Tom agreed to run our shuttle, parked his bike and hopped in. After getting back to the dam we got to experience the trickle of people showing up and setting up camp. Watching the buildup for opening day helped We ended up catching the Upper Gauley at to whet our appetites for the coming full release. The around 1500 CFS, chasing the end of the release so next day Jeff and I did a marathon all the way to the water level varied some as they staged it back. It Swiss, and Jeff finally got to see the Upper at full was Jeff's first run on the Upper (not counting our release on his third run. We both rolled at Pillow then 180-300 CFS ELF summer run a few years back) so met up with several other boaters at Mason's includwe talked a lot about what was coming up and scout- ing Josh Frasier on his first ever Lower Gauley run, ed Pillow and Iron Ring. We decided to walk Iron which he styled. Jeff and I were sore and crampy at Ring, neither one of us were really feeling it and the takeout, but agreed it was well worth the extra Channing's Cranny looked ugly at that level. effort. Everything else we ran and had a blast. John Lawson 7 The rest of the weekend is a blur of welcoming new arrivals, arranging shuttles, running the Gauley, surfing big fluffy wave-holes, drinking beer and telling lies. It was an epic weekend and a great chance to get "dialed in". Like many of us, I boat somewhat infrequently these days and need a couple of warmup days to get my reflexes tuned up and my brain properly aligned to the rhythm and power of the water. Thus, a four-day opening weekend paddling excursion was a great way to start Gauley season, and it prepared me for what was to come next. sounding Brandon Jett. I paraphrase, but it was something like, "Um, hey man, just wanted to pick your brain about this Lower Gauley thing, find out what it's like at, like, eight or nine thousand or so, 'cause apparently they got massive rain up on the Meadow last night and it's dumping some major CFS in the Gauley or something..." I was outside the building and away from my computer when I got that message, and I was starting to get annoyed, so I called Brandon back and left a voicemail message expressing my frustration that people were freaking out over a little extra water regMy next outing on the Gauley was set for two istering on the Belva Gauge. I was also probably weeks later during GauleyFest. These days I rarely get to connect to all those folks who used to congre- channeling some of the frustration I was feeling for having missed the 5000 release. So, when I got back gate at our New River Outpost to work Gauley to my computer, I started to post a general missive to Season, so GauleyFest is the next best thing. whoever might be listening on the forum about how Boaters of all types from all over come together at the festival and I always bump into at least one per- to PROPERLY read the Gauley gauges, and in doing so, I checked on them so I could reference the propson whom I haven't seen for years. Originally I had planned on doing another Thursday through Sunday er readings... paddling binge to take advantage of the very rare scheduled extra flow day on Thursday (5000 CFS, a oh... great level on the Lower and a challenging level on the Upper). However, that fell through and I was ...well then... stuck at work until Saturday. Hence, when I started getting calls and texts on Friday morning at work, I didn't know what was about to happen. I started by leaving a new message for Brandon, apologizing for my tone and questioning of his facts The first one came in just before 9:00 AM, Tim earlier, then I started re-writing my post. For those of Shuler wanting to know if I'd seen the water levels and what that meant for boating. Checking the Belva you that don't already know or who are reading this years after the fact, the Meadow did get a frog-chokGauge quickly after a couple of exchanges I detering dump of rain the night before, but nobody realmined that Tim was forgetting that the Gauley had ized it until it was too late. It didn't rain much at the been releasing at the scheduled 5000 CFS the day festival and the Corps turned the dam back to 2800, before or hadn't realized that they were releasing through the night and just turning down the water at but didn't anticipate a massive surge coming down 7:00 AM for the scheduled 2800 CFS release. Since the Meadow. Evidently it was moving fast and caught up with the 5000 release, and by the time the Corps Belva is 4 to 6 hours downstream from the dam, it doesn't see the drop in water level until noon or so. caught on and turned the dam back to 1100, it was really too late, the Meadow was shooting up like a My initial reply was terse, indicating that he should rocket and the Upper Gauley from Lost Paddle down more carefully read my original posts about the was churning at somewhere in the six to eight thouexpected water levels before firing off such quessand range. At this point, I started to worry about tions. After that I got an inquiry from one of the some of my buddies who had planned on hitting the APEs, and then a voicemail from an uncertain 8 Lower that day. There's not much way to tell what's going on upstream when you're putting on at Woods Ferry. I started making calls and leaving messages. The rest of the day was interspersed with updates from the scene and sporadic gauge checks. ("Yep, it's still shooting up, holy crap!") I left about five replies to my own post on the forum, further reinforcing the feeling that I was the only boater not at the Gauley right them. It was the strangest experience, knowing roughly what was happening, watching the gauges, guessing what the situation was and seriously considering whether there was any way for me to ditch work and make a hell run to the put-in before dark. Eventually I learned that the muddy water had reached the put-in before the BWA contingent and that most of them had bailed, but that Jeff Kirkner and Joe Wheatley had put on. Jeff, I knew, was pulling from his experience of a trip we did in the spring several years ago at 6750. My best estimate was that the water was in the seven to eight thousand range. Things are bigger at that water level, but most of the river is more open with just a few key hazards to keep in mind. I hoped Jeff remembered them. Mash both Joe and Millard got a little overly focused and didn't pull out of the wavetrain to the right in time, resulting in some squirrel-dancing with the hydraulics below, but no swims. We snuck left around the hole at the bottom of Heaven's Gates, even though others were running it with mixed success. From there on out we just bombed down one big laughing, happy big brown wave train after another, occasionally pulling off to surf. Pure Screaming Hell was pure bliss. Purgatory and Hell Hole still had some kick, but less than usual and the wave train through the center of the rapid extended another fifty yards past what was usually the bottom. We finished off the day with some more surfing and took off the river practically glowing with the light of pure satisfaction. The Eventual call on the water level based on the reading at Belva shortly after we took off was approximately 4800 CFS. Later that evening I got a call from a very happy Jeff saying that it had been an epic and rewarding day, and we shifted plans around to meet the next day. Jeff's main emotional component appeared to be disbelief that he and Joe had been the only ones in the party who actually got on the Lower Gauley that day. Just goes to show, a little experience can take you a long way. GauleyFest that evening was the usual ecstatic, wonderous event that it always was, but this time it felt different. In recent years, the festival has seemed Saturday. Gauley Fest! The happiest Saturday in to overshadow the whitewater, and on that day the my world. Denile and I got started early, but ran into water was having none of it. The NPFF booth rocked MORE torrential rain on the way to WV, adding to the the house with Steve Fisher and his entourage helpuncertainty about the water level. I met up with Jeff, ing to promote it. We got some good deals, I got a Joe, Phillip Cornette, Pat Attkisson and the esteemed creekboat that I'd been shopping for, and a good time was had by all; but when I went to sleep that traveller Millard Blakey. The water was still brown and swift at the put in but there was no way to deter- night I wasn't thinking about the friends I'd bumped into at the fest or my new boat, I was thinking about mine what the water level really was. We were the Gauley and wondering what the water level was guessing between five and six thousand from the going to be the next day. best data available. Pat, after a few experimental rolls in a new boat that he had never paddled before, So, if there's a moral buried in all this mess, it's decided that it just wasn't his day and the rest of us probably that you shouldn't get too focused on just peeled off into ender waves. running the Gauley during Gauley Season at 2800 CFS. The Gauley is a beautiful and fantastic wonderIt had been several years since I'd seen the Lower at a good stiff elevated water level, and it took land with lots of different faces, and most people only know one of them. Get out and experience the a little getting used to. Backender still had a pretty Gauley in the Spring and Summer, or even over the stiff kick and an extended wave train below it. At Winter or late Fall when it's running at less predictKoontz's Flume, Five Boat Hole had predictably shrunk and had a line of eager hole hogs waiting to able water levels. Not only will you discover a treasurf it, but the big waves above it hadn't washed out sure trove of exciting runs and probably have the river all to yourself, but you'll have the experience yet and despite the fact that I was pretty close to dead-on my intended line, I still got an unintentional and knowledge that you need during Gauley season when the water level varies. Believe me, it's well big, soft, fluffy surf on the second wave. Too much fluff to punch, should've been a little right. At Lower worth the effort. 9 Canoest Completes 5,000 Mile Canoe Trek Minnesotan Bob Vollhaber traveld 5000 miles in 5 months, including taking a ridged canoe over the Chilkoot Pass in April, canoeing up the Chandalar River, paddling 1000 miles of the Bering Sea coast, and then up the Kvichak River. Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent.” Calvin Coolidge Courtesy of Bob Vollhaber More about Bob Vollhaber’s unsupported 5000 mile canoe It has been 20 years since adventure to, through, and around Alaska by paddle got to: The Ultimate Canoe Challenge http://beav-alaskaadventure.blogspot.com/ Here is another great adventure that took place in 19801983. Over the course of their 28,000-mile-plus trip, Verlen Kruger & Steve Landick paddled through or along the borders of most of the states. BWA members would follow news about the trip via Paddling magazines which had updates from them as they did their 3 year adventure. The Canoe Challenge included two especially impressive stretches: upstream on the entire Mississippi River and upstream on the Colorado River all of the way through the Grand Canyon. Let's see those who drop off waterfalls nowadays try that method! For the book: http://www.amazon.com/gp/ product/0595335799/ref=pe_172050_33187410_ email_1p_0_ti 10 Something to Aspire to! Robert Milgate A few weeks ago I made a forum post linking to video of the 2013 C1 slalom world championships. I suspect that this led to our esteemed editor-in-chief's asking me to write a few lines on the pleasures of paddling C1. I said I would try. In short, I find paddling C boats endlessly rewarding. I've tried kayaking, and enjoyed it, but, as long as my knees and ankles hold out, I'll stay on my knees, and away from those double-paddles. For me it's just more fun. I think that, if more people gave it a try, many now paddling kayaks would find that the challenge of the single paddle appeals to them also. I say challenge because I think that the idea is possibly the key to the appeal of the single blade. Challenge is a part of the appeal of paddling whitewater in general. We start out (generalizing from my first experiences) intrigued, excited, and a bit intimidated by the power and the mystery of moving water. My first clinic (in a kayak) was an adventure in trepidation and, as various challenges were met, no small amount of exhilaration. With practice, one acquires a better understanding of how the water, the boat, and the paddle interact, and an increased level of comfort in water of a certain difficulty. The natural progression of challenge is to move to harder water. Harder usually meaning some combination of more complicated paddling and more consequences for failing to paddle well. We are all looking forward to stepping up our game. 11 Paddling with a single blade changes the shape of the learning curve, stretching it out. Simply moving a boat forward in slow current becomes a nuanced, and frequently frustrating exercise. And there, in that frustration, is part of the pleasure. To make a C boat move more or less as you want it to is a tier of challenge that a K boater never has the pleasure of experiencing. pleasure of refining technique, if two eddies, an attain and a wave are an opportunity for an afternoon, consider the challenge and reward of the C boat, it might bring you a smile. This layer of challenge provides a different way to step up, of taking as much pleasure from process as from result. To me, in the boat, the difference between a bad and good off-side peel-out is immediately, viscerally obvious. A great off-side peel-out is a deep, but personal, pleasure. I'm not trying to say that kayaking doesn't reward skill. I've sat in an eddy, waiting my turn at a wave, and amongst all the wild scrambles and windmilling someone will take one or two well placed strokes and slide, almost magically into a sweet spot, serene amidst the tumult. A good paddler is a good paddler, regardless of boat. But if you want to add challenge without increased consequence, consider the single blade. And in particular, if you think you might enjoy the quiet 12 Off the Cuff Comments from the Forum Worth Remembering aking I'd say any of these would be ideal for you...demo! I think the Burn has more of a planing hull than the others, August 14, 2013 Remix seems to be a good mix of planing and a bit of displacement. You are going from a very flat bottom Diesel, I'm going to ask Santa for a new (or at least new to me) boat for XMas and I want to try as many as I can this fall so the Burn might feel more comfy to you right off the bat. so I can choose the best for my needs and paddling style Again...demo! NOC weekend, perhaps... and you guys can help me narrow down my potential Brandon choices. Re: What should I test drive? Your weight falls at the tail end of the LL Remix 47 and bottom end of the 59. You would want to try the the 59 for sure, once you add gear and such it would be ideal. And that way I can try it out... [liquidlogickayaks.com] Me: 5'0", 110#. I'm looking for a good all around boat. I like everything from creeking to big water and want something versatile. As much as I'd like a boat for every occasion that's not financially realistic for me. If you have a suggestion or, better yet, a boat in my size I could borrow for a run or two that would be fantastic. I already have a small Burn to use and can't wait to check it out. I'd like to try out one of the new Diesel 60's as well and whatever else you guys have in mind. The difficulty for me is that, like clothes, nothing is ready made to fit someone like me and outfitting a boat usually requires foam and adhesives so if you have any recommendations on how to circumvent that at least long enough for a test drive that would be great. Ali I have removable hip pads you can borrow and a happy seat. If you take those along with you on a demo weekend, that should help you fit into most smaller boats. Happy boat hunting! Oh, and for what you want (a good all-around boat) outside of the small Burn, and Diesel, I'd try out a Mamba. And I think the new Jackson Karma looks interesting. The new Mamba 7.6 says lower end of the weight limit is 120...that seems high to me. You won't know until you sit in it, might feel big or just right. I think there are older models that have a lower weight limit. [dagger.com] Brandon It seems to me that being lighter than the low end is not an issue if a) you're not particularly interested in throwing ends, etc. and b) you fit well in the boat and have good control. If you are slipping around in the boat, that's no good, but if you're a little light sometimes you glide over/ through stuff which would otherwise grab you. I might be wrong about that, but that's what I've observed. On the other hand, don't know if that means you'd also get tossed around in big waves, or maybe that would happen based on overall weight anyway. OK engineers and others, tell me how I'm wrong. Zina love, bethany Liquid Logic Remix. Word on the street is it creeks, likes big water, and everything in between. And what B said above...Dagger Mamba and Pyranha Burn. They seem to do a little bit of everything, even surf a bit. A lot of people knock the "all-round" boats, but with your paddling style and not wanting to focus on just one specific type of kay- Good advice all around and largely mirroring what I would say, except for the absence of the obvious choice (the RPM) Seriously though, all good advice, but your big problem is that your weight puts you right at the top or bottom of the weight range for most boats. You inhabit a very underserved demographic. 13 you. You're right in the middle of the weight range and it's a creeky design with what appears to be good general river running characteristics. Definitely give this one a I'd look at the Dagger Mamba 7.6 even though you are 10 try. The Sidekick may be worth a look even though you're near or over the top of the weight range. Same sort of lbs under the minimum weight simply based on other's experiences with it, but I suspect it's too big for you and deal, creeky general river runner. The Fun 1.5 is definitely worth a look just for perspective. Max weight of 120 lbs will be hole bait with you in it on bigger water. On the and more playboat than river runner, it won't creek well other hand, it is more creeky than some other choices and might perform reasonably well on local steeps. Only and it may be a little squirrellier than what you're looking for, but I think that a boat like that might make you look one way to really find out. at boating in a very different light. The Karma Small puts The river running edition of the LL Remix is a pretty good you in the middle of the weight range, but it's more of a pure creeker so it has a lot more volume than other boats candidate for an all around boat. You fall right at the that put you in the middle of their weight range. Definitely bottom edge of the weight range for the 59, so it's worth worth checking out. A pure creeker is still usually a good a try. Honestly though, I'd consider the 47 as least long all-around boat for everything except playboating. The enough to get in one and see how you like it. It's actuZen 55 puts you near the top of the weight range for a ally a kids/small adults boat and you are at the top of general purpose river runner that could still probably the weight range for it. Disadvantage there is potential squirrellyness but it would be a boat that you could push handle moderate creeking quite well. Also, it doesn't around more effectively and I see that as a big deficiency really have any edges to speak of so even if you're a bit near the top of the weight curve, it's unlikely to be squirin your paddling up until now. Your boats tend to push you around because they're too big for you. The potential relly or difficult to handle in big water. for you to be able to drive this boat effectively may outLast, but not least, keep your eyes out for a used Dagweigh other considerations. It may not be the right boat ger Piedra. They don't make them anymore, but it was for you, but there's only one way to find out. Plus, you a general river running boat designed for small adults. I can get a new one for around $600, possibly less since never paddled it, but I knew some small adults who did they discontinued it at the beginning of this month. and loved them. Just a thought. One nobody's mentioned yet is the Dagger Axiom. This is a more general purpose river runner. It could do some Hanley Loller moderate creeking, but probably wouldn't be that good Ali, for steeper runs, but it has some big selling points. It The Diesel 65 you currently paddle is supposed to be a comes in a kids/small adults version, the 6.9, that you good all around boat. Maybe you should be looking for a are actually 10 lbs UNDER the top end of the weight playboat for elkhorn runs. range for; AND a small adults version, the 8.0 that you are close to the MIDDLE of the weight range for (90 - 150 Joe W. lbs). MSRP is $629 for the 6.9, but $1029 for the 8.0. As with the Remix 47, I really think you should try these two Ok Zina, I may be a software engineer, but here's my two because of the potential for you to be able to effectively drive your boat in a manner that you haven't been able to cents on the matter. before. My experience tells me that when you're in a boat that's too big for you, it gets surfed around a lot more. By that I The S Burn is worth considering. It definitely has some creeky characteristics built into a decent all-purpose de- don't mean you end up in holes more, although you may, sign, but you are still near the bottom of the weight range but that every wave with a little backwash on it tosses for the S. Worth looking at, but I feel you are going to get you around and your boat drives you. You want your boat to be proportionate to your body so that you can move/ better use out of a smaller design. lean/turn it with your body effectively. A boat that's too Jackson actually makes several boats that should be on big inhibits the boater's ability to effectively control their boat. your radar. They have by far the widest range of sizes and kids/young adults boats including transitional boats. Additionally, a boat that's too big is harder to roll because The Jackson Little Hero may very well be the boat for Bearing that in mind: 14 more of it (and you) sits further out of the water. USNWC.org In the end it's a very personal choice heavily colored by paddling style, but in general I think that seeking out a boat that is the right size for you will increase your performance dramatically. Venus and I will go anytime if you want to join us on a trip out there. I recommend taking off a Friday and heading on down Thursday night so Friday and Saturday are open for paddling. Case in point, we've seen a sharp rise in the last couple of years in new boaters, (mostly guys, often big guys) showing up at roll session with the Remix XP9 or XP10. The boat is too big for them and they have trouble making it go where they want it to. Now, this is exacerbated by some of the touring characteristics of the boat, but even without that the length and volume work against them. Philip All that being said, I know you're at the lower edge or under the weight range for your RPM and that you're very comfortable in that boat. As I said, it's a very personal choice and one person's experience differs greatly from another. Still, I'll stand by my comments for general application. P.S. According to the specs on the Dagger site the Axiom 6.9 should be just right for you. That is if you want a low volume stern. These are the closest you can get to the RPM design which I hear some like (Hanley, Chief ...) And... the 6.9 size is only $629! I plan on trying out one of these in my size next chance I get. NOC on the Nanty will allow you to demo for one hour for free and they have all the manufacturers boats. Run a few laps on the falls, hit some eddies and peel outs and you should have a good idea how the boat feels. Half day demos are $25. Hanley Loller [store.noc.com] One last thing to add. The performance weight ranges for genuine creekboats (IMHO) are generally rated a little light because they're designed for steep creek performance where extra volume is desired to help avoid pins. Consider that when looking at the top range on some of these boats. Brandon NOC on the Nanty is where I have done all my demos. I feel like falls laps are a great way to get a feel for a boat! One minor downside IMO is that if you demo multiple boats in a day, by the time you get to the last boat or two you can easily be worn out from carrying back up to the There you have it Ali. Join BWA Team Nomad...myself and put-in for all those laps. I found the fatigue can put bias Mike W. are the newest members...come to the dark side... in how I feel about how a boat handles during the demo. My advice would be give yourself a couple of days if you You can play boat in them. Usually not intentionally, but demo at the Nanty. That WW center deal sounds pretty whatever. sweet also, especially if you can demo more and carry less! Brandon Hanley Loller August 15, 2013 Ali, The whitewater center in Charlotte has a wide range of demo boats. Take your gear, pay them $25 for the day pass and just $15 to demo and you can try every boat they have. They have nearly the full line of Dagger, Liquid Logic, and Wave Sport. Also, they have rafting, zip lines, mountain biking, flatwater boating, and wide variety of IPAs at the restaraunt overlooking the comp channel if your boyfriend wants to go with you. Derek NOC is the deal then for demos - they used to be more expensive than anyone $40+ as I recall for full day. Brit and I have been working with Rock Creek Ocoee for our demos. $20-25 there for full day - not the selection as NOC but a better river for the testing. There is not one boat that will do everything well IMO. If you must have only one boat and you like to surf I would definitely demo the Little Hero and my old Mamba 7.5. The Mamba is not for sale, but you are welcome to try it 15 out. Both of these boats are decent creekers - the Hero would be better at steeper creeking and surfing (full planing hull) but it will be hole bait to some degree (due to it's shape and slower design) and the Mamba would be better for punching big water waves holes. I took that Mamba on my first ELF run of RFG. It was fine for that but the Little Hero would have been better. The Sidekick was Brit's boat for everything for years ... it's a great all around design, with only that one weakness. If at all possible, I would consider a dedicated playboat and creeker. I cant' really do tricks in it but much prefer my All Star to surfing runs over the Mamba. Pearling bows suck in surfing IMO, and a short playboat boat that will keep the bow dry on a decent wave / hole is tons more fun to me. I think the Remix would be fine for a beginner, or skilled boater as a river runner / big water boat if that's all you were doing. But think it's not as good a creeker as either the above boats and is a pearling surfer. I used to have a Mamba 8 that was my big water boat. However in recent years I've preferred to do big water in my creeker so I sold it. I would also label the Axiom or RPM or similar design as a river runner / big water / pearling surfer and never as a creeker. As an example you could probably get one down our steep local runs or the RFG at ELF, but it probably wouldn't be pretty! I think the Stomper would feel big to you Ali, and its heavier than the Nomad 8.1, which would also feel like a tank, more than likely. The comments on Jackson boats are good, they make lots of small boats from pure players to creekers. You have lots of options... If you pay me a modest fee, I'll carry your demo boats up and down the Nantahala Gorge. love, bethany Good comments Wes. You may be right about the Mamba vs the Little Hero. Despite the suggested weight range. When I looked at them side by side, I discovered something I'd missed before. Apparently, the Mamba 7.5 is a discontinued model. The current smallest Mamba is the 7.6. The 7.6 and the Little Hero have the same volume, 64 gallons, but the Mamba 7.5 is only 57 gallons, a very significant difference. Strangely, the suggested weight range is the same for both the 7.5 and 7.6. Based on our recent demos I would strongly recommend trying a Karma S. I have more demos to do but I was totally impressed with this boat on the Upper / Middle Ocoee. Brit and I demo'd a S and M. We swapped below D Trouble. Though at the lower limit of the M at 150lbs, she prefered it over the S even though she said it was a bit harder to maneuver. More confidence inspiring in the bigger water was the main benefit. She is also paddling a Nomad 8.1 and we'll try a Stomper 80 along the way. Right now it's a close call between the Nomad and Karma and she has yet to paddle my Villain S (this weekend maybe). For your weight however the Nomad 8.1, Stomper, and Villain may all seem a little big. However you are near the middle of the Karma S range - so try it for sure. Then next year you can demo dedicated playboats Wes Brandon Based on the broad appeal of the Mamba to a large and diverse group of paddlers, I am going to strongly suggest you check out Wes's Mamba 7.5. Seven gallons of flotation is a lot of difference from one boat to the next. Imagine seven empty gallon milk jugs with the tops screwed on strapped to you as you float bodily downstream. Also, as a discontinued model, you may have an easier time finding a deal on one, although Mamba's are like RPM's, the folks with them have a tendency to hang on to them. Hanley Loller Like Brandon or someone else said - I was thinking the 7.5 had a lower weight range than the 7.6, but could be mistaken. My ex GF Ana was a around 105 I think and she fit well in the 7.5. Agree with Hanley that even the older Mambas won't be easy to find - people tend to hang on to them and I think people tend to know someone that wants them when they are ready to sell so they are not advertised much. Like the Nomad, they are wildly popular for a reason - they are solid designs. I would call a Mamba as good as it gets for river running / big water and not too bad for non-extreme creeking too. IMO 2 smaller sizes of the Mamba (6.0, 6.5) would be a perfect design for kids (petite adults) ... too bad they don't make them. One added benefit of a popular design - it holds it's value! 16 Wes On Dagger's website, the specs for the 7.5 and 7.6 say they have the exact same weight range despite a seven gallon difference in volume. Frankly, I think someone was just asleep at the wheel when they were recording the specs. Since there is no appreciable difference in design, what other explanation could there be? Considering the number of smaller folks who seem to love these boats, I'm betting that the real, effective weight range is lower. Hanley Loller this. Not sure why they needed to do this, regular Mamba would be fine for your use. Brandon August 19, 2013 10:42AM I got to take the small Burn for a spin on the Pigeon this weekend. It's a bit bigger in the bow than the Diesel and got pushed around in big waves a bit more but was very responsive and snapped in and out of eddies beautifully. There's a fatal flaw in it for me though: the cockpit is very long and I can't get my skirt on it by myself . I tried everything but just couldn't make it happen, very frustrating that that could be a determining factor rather than boat performance. Wow! Thanks for all the input. I have a pretty hefty list of boats to try out now and may not be able to get to all of them. I was planning on spending some time in Bryson Beautiful beefy day at the Pigeon (wish I'd have known City soon, if I get down there I'll spend a couple of days trying out boats. Bethany I'll give you beer and massages about the US National yesterday, we were right there!). Thanks to Rick and Carlisle for keeping me company and if you'll be my boat caddy. helping me with my damn skirt! I'll likely be doing it again next weekend with (hopefully) a Mamba 7.5. Wes I'd love to borrow your Mamba 7.5 for a test drive. Maybe this weekend? Ali Ali Large cockpits are all the rage right now. If you're not into The good folks at Benchmark might give ya heckuva deal getting a new skirt, I'd check out cockpit sizes before you test drive. Here's a good site for that: on a new Mamba...ask nicely...worked for me. If I were to get another boat it would be a river runner, http://www.skirtfit.com/ something Janna could mess around in and I could use on big water...either the Remix or Mamba. The new outfitbethany ting on the 2013 Daggers is awesome, I can't wait to get my new Nomad out on the water. I think Liquid Logic Can someone explain the weight range/gallons thing a bit forced them to step up their game. more? I fall in the middle of the weight range for the small Karma and really want to try one but it is a 72 gallon boat, I'm with you guys, not sure why the smallest Mamba's that seems huge. How can such a big boat be made for low weight limit is 120 lbs. Nomad 8.1 is 110 lbs. Wierd. such a small person? People definitely hold on to their Nomads and Mambas, not many used ones out there for sale. GAF is next month Ali on the Nanty, weekend after Gauley Fest. Might be a good weekend to go down and check out boats and other If I may jump in...I'd like a better explanation on boat sizdeals. ing also. I had been looking for a boat for my wife to get into whiteBrandon water (taking her rec boat in II+ started getting old) and bought a diesel 65. SHe weighs about 135ish and is 5'9". Looking at Dagger's site I see a Mamba and a Mamba She fit the diesel weight wise, but her legs are longer so Creeker. Anyone know the difference? Is there one? she had to cram herself into it. We sold it so I began to look for a creeker because she wanted more footroom. Ali Comparing the paddler weight to volume ratio blew my mind on many of the boats. The Diesel was 65 gallons only difference is the seat and step out pillar are from and fit her weight range. A newer Jefe is 79 gallons and the Nomad. Boat design is the same. More "structural integrity", they say. Creeker is a little heavier because of also fit her weight range. I know creekers are built to have 17 more volume to help avoid pins, etc., but that's one huge difference in the amount of boat one would have to push around. We settled on an older Jefe (73 gallons) because we got a good deal on it. I've paddled it on the Nanty and a swollen Tuck and it behaved beautifully on those rivers. Hopefully it will get on the Pigeon and maybe my first time on the Little to see if it is just as impressive on a "real" run...if she lets me. Endless Rivers has demos also. I ended up paddling with someone who was renting a ducky form them and they didn't charge me for demo or shuttle to the Wayah Road put in and picked me up at the commersial takeout. I don't know what their regular fee's are, though. Kevin Volume and weight range are not exactly corollary. Not beyond a certain point, anyway. The short answer is that you should be looking at weight range instead of volume, and take the stated weight range as a general guideline. No point in getting your bathroom scales certified or anything. The weight applied to a given design will determine how deep the boat sits in the water. The more weight, the deeper it sits. In order to access the features designed into the shape of the hull, the waterline needs to be in the right spot. Additional volume above the waterline does not change the location of the waterline or the intended weight range. Modern boats have been trending towards more volume in the bow and the stern. The added volume only comes into play when you dive into (and hopefully over) holes and stuff. Keeps you ridin high. Sittin pretty, so to speak. Bart August 26, 2013 Bart's comments were spot on IMO. Optimal boater weight range for a boat is only partly affected by overall volume and comparing volume between river runners and creekers is pointless. I think the Mamba range stayed the same because most if not all of the volume was added above the seam line, so that would not significantly change the intended wt range. (The seam line is an old school term as glass boats hulls / decks were joined at the seam). Wt range is simply the mfg best guess (or hopefully actually tested) at the weight the boat will handle while performing as designed. If you are significantly out side of this range, then how the water engages the hull below the seam line will vary significantly enough that the mfg feels it will not handle as intended. Some boats however may handle well for you if you are at or just beyond the intended range and the best way to find out is paddle to test the boat. Volume in creekers is an issue because of the way they are used. Volume in a creeker will affect how the boat resurfaces after a big drop (bow volume/shape), unintentional hole retentiveness (overall volume/length), and how it behaves in big squirrely water (tail volume) in my experience. Hull / deck shape are also factors of course. BTW if you are considering a Jackson design and are not sure about sizing then some of their team members are very good about answering questions on their website (bottom of spec page for each boat) and perusing through the questions / answers will give you tons of info about sizing for that particular design. Wish every mfg did this! Hanley's comments about the water jugs is accurate, but when you smooth that added volume out along the curves of a boat deck it's not nearly as glaring a difference. If you see a Mamba 7.5 and 7.6 side by side you will see what I mean. I have not paddled the new design, but I imagine it would make the new boat a little more creeker like in big water / drops than the older design. In easier water it probably won't make much difference. You should also paddle a 7.6 as you may like it better than the 7.5 - particularly with the new outfitting - it's awesome! Brit is currently shopping for a new creeker as she's outgrown her Punk Rocker. First I looked at websites get optimal weight ranges, boat weight. Boat weight is a big factor for Brit as she's not that strong and complains about carrying a heavy boat. Acceleration in tight spots is also affected by boat weight. After that I decided she would test the Nomad 8.1 (already had one), my Villain S, Karma S/M, and maybe the Stomper 80. So far it's a tight race between the Nomad and Karma M. She has not tried the Stomper yet but with so many folks going back to Nomads from Stompers ... I'm wondering if we should even bother? May ask if someone has an 80 lying around she could test for a weekend. I'm also testing boats for myself. I like my Villain S but really liked paddling that Karma M on Upper Ocoee. Wes West Fork Tuck - trip report August 12, 2013 Great day on the West Fork Tuck yesterday. Me, Chief, Rebecca were met by Mark Singleton, Denver, Suzie, Karen, 18 Arlan and Chief's friend, Johnny Utah for an awesome day of boating on a brand new run for all of us but Mark and Arlan. We broke into two groups at times because the eddies were small before the big drops. Right off the bat we were running what seemed like a 50 drop, the size of Oceana, but without the Thing at the bottom. Trick is to be left, lean forward to minimize compression risks. Chief and I would have probably walked it if we had looked at the drop itself. Glad we didn't though as it was cool. We did learn afterwards that Sutton Bacon (NOC) recently compressed a vertebrae there. Glad I didn't know that beforehand too. I was fine with the level we had, but just a little bit more would be better. Having not seen it at 2.8, I really can't comment though. At this level, it is a solid class IV run. Higher might ramp it up a notch or two. Brent Tend to agree with Brent, more water would be okay, not sure how much. http://www.bluegrasswildwater.org/bwaforum/file. php?5,file=452,filename=suzyj.JPG Chief Once we got into the inner gorge, we had several very nice class IV rapids with holes to bust or dodge and a long run out. Super cool stuff. We did have one portage, but after getting to the bottom of the drop, realized that there was a route through the tree that had fallen across, so actually, there really were no portages on the section of river we ran. We did not go to the very top where the waterfall was. Mark told us that we would not be missing much water, would miss the waterfall view and a lot of portage around wood, so we went to an alternate put in and it was sweet. Heaven's Gate Underwater Spelunking Team September 23, 2013 Yesterday, the raft I was in, and then about an hour later the raft John L was in flipped in the nastiness at the bottom of Heaven's Gate. The higher flows made the hole very aggressive and the current past it stronger. We both went under an undercut rock downstream on the left. It was a cave, big enough for a person to pass through (obviously) and exited about 15 feet downstream of the rock. I ran into Johnny Reagan on Friday at the Nolichucky and he came to the Tuck, but we just missed each other on the river. We did hang out at the takeout for some beer, etc. Glad to see that kid out of Friendsville and down here in the South for a bit. I was under the raft for a bit and when I came up I was very disoriented. I turned and saw I was being swept toward a rock and prepared to brace myself and push off and around it, instead I was sucked under. Just before we entered the rapid Tim had mentioned that about 10 years ago he'd seen two swimmers go through the rock and I would go do this again and it ranks up there with the come out the other side. That was one of two thoughts Cheoah as a run I would like to do multiple times a year in my head for my journey, the hope that it was the same when it is released. Right at or under 2 hours from Niprock and I was going to come out the other side, and pur. This run is now in the staples of runs each year. of course, what if I didn't. I could feel the sides of the Many thanks to AW for negotiating this release with Duke crevasse as I passed through. I don't know how far I went Power. Just another example of our AW dues at work for or how long I was in there but I eventually saw a circle us. of murky yellow light. I was hoping it was the sun and not the one described by people who had died and been Brent resuscitated! It was the most beautiful thing I'd ever seen. I popped up and Jeff towed me to shore where I had a reHow was the water level? There's been lots of internet ally fantastically good cry. chat lately about the release levels, some say the bump up to 2.8' is perfect but others say its still bony outside of Huge thanks and all my love to the crew I was with that that mini-gorge. Looks like a stunning place from the pics day. Jeff was at the right place and time to sweep me up and vids I've seen, glad you got to check it out. and tow me in, I don't think I could have swam anywhere at that moment. Tim, Ann, and Millard made sure I kept Brandon warm and sane for the rest of the trip. We had 2.5ish, and I would say 2.6 would have been bet- I'm not sure what I'm going to take away from this yet, it's ter for some of the shoals. 2.8 would be very juicy in the a lot to process. It's a reminder that we participate in what inner gorge and might raise the difficulty level up in there. can be a dangerous sport even when you do things right 19 I thought they were hiding and riding it out. Next thing I see is Ali emerge about 20 feet to the right of the raft, you can't mistake that pink helmet with the spikey Mohawk, and of course the first thing I said was are you OK. Ali To which it was hard to hear what she was saying, but I picked up that she went through the cave and thought Ditto that. As I have said many times, Heaven's Gates she was going to die. Well I'm pretty thick sometimes, rapid is the one that really beefs up as the water level but I picked up that she was in no condition to swim and goes up on the Lower Gauley. That one and the hole at just instructed her to grab the back of my boat and gently the bottom of Canyon Doors in the right channel. kick to keep her feet up and told her that we were ok and Glad you're okay. Let's sit down and have a beer soon so that I was going to get her into the first eddy we could I can hear the minute details. One thing I feel pretty sure find. I didn't know what to say, and learned over the years of. Both Jeff and Joe probably ran left of the big gate rock to keep my mouth shut in situations were I typically will say something stupid or inappropriate. Anyway, after a on Sunday few minutes and hugs, Ali was back. In the raft and down river everyone went. It was something I wish to not expeHanley Loller rience again. Ali, Very glad to hear you are OK. Jeff K Was the rock you got sucked under the huge one on the Chris, I don't think the left side of the Gate would be a left side of the ginormous hole at the bottom (The heavproblem if you swam there. The hole besides the rock is ens gate)? or was it one downstream of that? what gets nasty at higher levels and most of the current feed into a big rock jumble just left of center maybe 50 Chris H yards downstream. I would assume any rock in the curOk, I'll give my account of the situation from my perspec- rent is undercut on the Gauley, but this one also has a tive. I was off work Monday, which I needed for recovery crack between the rocks that siphons from right to left through the rock. I've paddled through it a lower levels, from a very fun weekend. but it high water, it isn't where I would want to swim. We let the raft go down heavens gate first. As I was catching the eddy on river left, just to the front left of the Larry Cable gate rock, I saw the grey bottom of the raft shoot up from I just reviewed the video of Heavens Help You rapid on the hole on the right side of the gate rock. I knew that the Gauley River Rapids website. The rocks we are talkthey were all swimming because the raft appeared to be completely upside down. I was the first down, so I quickly ing about are at video markers 55 seconds to about 1 proceeded to the eddy behind the left gate rock. I started minute in the video. The announcer even mentions swimcounting heads. I saw three swimmers below, and did not ming right of the rocks. Well at the elevated flows, those rocks are not visible and that is what Ali swam under and see the fourth. I couldn't identify the swimmers because through. I will have to make sure and review this after a of the shadow river left and I was in the sun. I noticed it run at normal flows to make sure this is correct. looked like someone was under the raft or in the water just below the left side of the raft because there was a Jeff K paddle blade sticking up in the air just to the left of the raft. The raft and paddle blade washed up on a rock that I can't find any good video or photos of the rocks downwas basically completely under water that was 30 yards stream of the gates or any other information on incidents down stream of the left gate rock and a little river left. It didn't look like much, but you could see the water pillow- there. I guess it's just not an issue at normal flows. As ing up and swirling. The next thing I saw was the Paddle I said above it didn't look like much sticking out of the water. It felt like a crevasse because I could feel rock on blade looked like it got stuck and did a quick violent shudder and then disappeared. I was slowly going toward either side of me as I went through it. Most of the rock must have been submerged since I wasn't anywhere near the raft that had washed over the boil to the right side visible rock when I surfaced. and kept going down. I was following waiting for someone to pop out from under the raft because that is where in places you've been many times before. I feel grateful and fortunate right now. 20 Jeff, I can't express how much I appreciate you towing me in. I rarely lose myself but I think I was pretty much in shock when you picked me up and I don't think I could have done much for myself at that moment. Ali Larry, I'm pretty sure the rock that Ali encountered is the big boulder upstream of the one you're talking about. It's about halfway between the left gate rock and the two big rocks with the crack between them that you can boat through. It's not sticking up high out of the water at 2800 and it's just barely sticking up at 5000-ish. It's known to have some kind of overhanging undercut piece to it. Several folks are known to have swum under/through there at one time or another, but that's about all I know. I've seen that rock at low water (about 1200) but that's been a long time ago and I don't plan on doing the Lower at that level ever again, so unless I can dig up the video I shot of that trip.... Anyhow, I'm very glad everyone's okay. That area below Heaven's Gates at that level is a mean swim without the rock. The squirrel population in those currents is insane. Swims coming off the left gate rock or out of the hole can be very deep. Gives me the willies just thinking about it. Yes, Jeff, you're right, and the rocks Larry is referring to are visible just at the very end of that video clip on the right edge of the screen. Hanley Loller September 25, 2013 That is pretty wild Ali. The River Goddess protected you. Be sure to pay homage and she will continue to give you safe passages. Damn that is a crazy swim. We all have those eventually, so keep your karma balanced! Brent September 28, 2013 Glad to hear you're good to go Ali. I had a similarly scary experience at lower mash, minus the underwater cave. Stay frosty Glad you popped out OK Ali! That wave - hole power flipped me in my creeker on Sat and Brit skirted through it unscathed on Sat / Sun. Usually rolling is a challenge for me in that squirrelly water! I had a similar weird experience back in the day that taught me a valuable lesson about the Gauley. I was in my Dancer (old school long boat) and was boating down with Bob McDonough and a gaggle of his posse of squirters. They were playing on an eddy line river right somewhere ... think it was not far above Sweets and I decided to eddy out across the river to dump my boat. While trying to get out of my boat I slipped off the rocky shore into waist deep water that was slow current on the surface near swift current but below the surface there was swift current that drew me immediately into a sieve between two rocks that were just under the surface. I could see there was a crack a few inches wide between them on top but there was a short tunnel below that crack that I just fit through. I tried to fight from going into it but the current was surprisingly strong! I was glad to pop up a few feet downstream, embarrassed at what had happened and hoping no one else witnessed it. There are many stories of deaths / close calls on the UG involving big and little sieves / undercuts - many of which (like mine) probably go unreported. The LG is thankfully much safer but the geology is the same so you just can't be too careful anywhere on the Gauley! I remind Brit every year that if she ends up in the water to just stay in the main flow until she is certain it's safe to approach shore - preferably on the back of someone's boat. Also to never allow herself to wash into the face of any rock / bolder and especially between any rock and the shore. Wes Wow, even that close to shore you can get into some serious trouble! Good advice on swimming. I usually have a pretty good head when I'm in the water and try to 'go with the flow' but, like you got caught in a strong current funneling into an undercut. I was disoriented after getting out from under the raft and didn't even see the rock until I was right up on it. From Jeff's report it appears the raft itself was in the same current. Plain old bad luck on my part. Ali The problem is not that there are problems. It's expecting otherwise and thinking having problems is a problem. Theodore Rubin September 29, 2013 21 Eddy Lines of Interest lines issues. Should be complete by mid-August. 12. Gear Coordinator—BJ—Not present August 7, 2013 NPFF Coordinator—Bethany—2014 NPFF Strategy Present: Clay, Adelessa, Jacob, Jeff K, Ali, Bethany, 13. meeting took place in early August. Bethany is working on Peter, Don, Brent securing a guest host. A central focus is getting donation Next meeting: General Club Meeting 08/13/2013 at requests out early. We need volunteers for Gauley Fest. 7:30pm, AW Elkhorn Acres 14. Member at Large—Jeff S.—Not present Steering Committee Meeting Minutes I. 1. Call to Order Meeting called to order by Clay at 7:44 pm IV. Unfinished Business II. Reading of Minutes 1. Elkhorn Acres – See Conservation Officer report. 1. Previous month’s meeting minutes reviewed. Moved (Adelessa), Second (Bethany) to accept previous meetings minutes. Motion passed. 2. Officer Club Dues Discount – Steering Committee decided to end discussion on this issue and end discussion. III. Officer Reports 1. President--Clay – The Summer party was a huge success. Thanks to everyone who helped. Surprisingly, no one was arrested!! 2. Past President—Emily—not present, but she is planning on having the Past President/BWA Reunion party at the RFG in October. More info to come. 3. Vice President—Adelessa—Working on the clinic. Carson Island is up in the air currently. She is working on a back-up plan. Brent discussed renting the pavilion at Ratliff Hole. Brent also noted he is working on getting access to Carson Island. 4. Treasurer—Jeff K—Current balance is $6790. Jeff reviewed the FY 2013-2014 budget. Current projected surplus is $1909.80. (See Attachement) 5. Secretary—Jacob—Nothing to report. 6. Safety Officer—Tom—Not present, but he is working on securing Pinnacle Pool for fall/winter roll sessions. 7. Membership Coordinator—Ali—Membership dues still rolling in. Parking passes have been mailed, and forum access is restricted for past members who have yet to pay 2013-2014 dues. 8. Conservation Officer—Peter—AW Elkhorn Acres improvements discussed, and the group reviewed the original AW Elkhorn Acres plans. Peter would like to plan a club work day to plant trees and complete general site maintenance. Tentative plan is to hold the work day sometime in November or December 2013. Numerous improvement ideas discussed with adding trees as the primary goal. 9. Program Director—Dave—Not Present 10. Web Master—Joe—Not Present 11. Newsletter— Don—Working on the current Bow- 3. Meeting Locations – The next Steering Committee meeting will be held at Mi Ire Mon on Wednesday, September 4th. Jacob will contact them to ensure we have the space reserved. 4. Iron Man Louisville – Volunteers still needed for the Iron Man in Louisville on August 24th and 25th. Adelessa noted there are two separate posts on the forum regarding this request. The following are the time slots available for volunteer kayak support. 1. Saturday, August 24th from 7:30 am to 11:00 am 2. Sunday, August 25th from 6:00 am to 12:00 pm. 5. BWA Sign for Events – Old business issue from previous Officer Team. Adelessa brought up discussion from pervious steering committee meetings to purchase a BWA sign to use for special events. The ideal sign would be free standing and easy to see. Adelessa volunteered to work on getting quotes for said sign. V. New Business 1. August General Club Meeting Location – Clay indicated he would like to hold the next General Club Meeting at AW Elkhorn Acres given the last couple meetings high turnout at AW Elkhorn Acres. Group discussion around a back-up plan in case of rain and setting up the AV system for the guest speaker. General agreement among the Steering Committee members to hold the August General Club Meeting at AW Elkhorn Acres. 2. Donation to Cruse, NC Volunteer Fire Department – Clay brought up discussion to make a donation to the Cruse, NC Volunteer Fire Department for their efforts in the 22 rescue and recovery of Scott Bradfield. Moved (Adelessa) Second (Ali) to donate $150.00 to the Cruse, NC Volunteer Fire Department on behalf of the BWA for their efforts in the rescue and recovery of BWA member Scott Bradfield. Motion passed. 3. Jondachi River Donations – Bethany raised discussion about the ongoing requests for donations to support Matt Terry’s conservation efforts for the Jondachi River. Discussion will continue at the next General Club Meeting. VI. Adjournment 1. Moved (Adelessa) Second (Don) to adjourn meeting. Motion passed and meeting adjournment at 9:06 pm. BWA Treasurer Report 8/7/2013 Total in the Bank 6258.32 Cash on Hand 291 Pay Pal 191.48 6740.8 HARD COSTS PO Box -60 ACA Membership (Cinic Insurance) -125 Insurance to Pay from Clinic? Parking Passes -150 Elkhorn Acres Parking -200 BWA storage facility -426 Wild Apricot Website -650 Web Domain -120 AW Club Dues -75 ACA Dues -125 -1931 ALLOCATED MONEY NPFF (Road Show Money) AW Donation EA Gravel -500 -500 -1000 VARIABLE EXPENDITURES Summer Club Party -300 Red River Clean Up -300 Fall Club Party -300 Roll Session Losses (cushion?) -1000 Projected Outflow Total Do we have any -1900 -4831 August 2013 General Club Meeting Minutes August 26, 2013 Present: Approximately 45 Next meeting: Steering Committee Meeting 09/04/2013 at 7:30pm, Mi Ire Mon Presentation given by Max Coulter and Emily Eaton from the “Students Against the Bluegrass Pipeline.” How can the BWA help? Sign the petition at moveon.org and like their Facebook page. I. Call to Order 1. 2. lost 3. Meeting called to order by Clay at 8:20pm Moment of Silence in honor of BWA members we’ve Introduction of new attendees II. Reading of Minutes 1. Previous month’s meeting minutes reviewed. Jeff K (Moved), Ali (Second) to accept previous meetings minutes. Motion passed with none opposed. III. Officer Reports 1. President, Clay Warren – Thanks to Kris C. for taking care of the food at Scott Bradfield’s memorial service. Thanks again to Jason P. for cooking tonight. 2. Past President, Emily Grimes -- Not present 3. Vice President, Adelessa Harbour — Not present 4. Treasurer, Jeff Kirkner — $1900.00 surplus projected for fiscal year end. 2013-14 budget is complete and we should have enough funds to operate until next July. 5. Secretary, Jacob Robinson — Nothing to report 6. Safety Officer, Tom Minor — Not present, noted that Pinnacle pool is the plan for winter roll sessions. 7. Membership Coordinator, Ali Blair — Need updated addresses for late renewals. Contact Ali to get a parking pass if you didn’t receive via mail. Additionally, she has BWA stickers available as well. 8. Conservation Officer, Peter Stutts — Not present – Clay briefly discussed the ongoing improvement plans at AW Elkhorn Acres. 9. Program Director, Dave Lafferty — Not present 10. Web Master, Joe Wheatley — Working on lapsed memberships, currently at 62. 11. Newsletter, Don Spangler – Newsletter will be out soon. Clay thanked Don for all his hard work and dedication on the Newsletter. 12. Gear Coordinator, BJ Phelps — Not present 13. NPFF Coordinator, Bethany Overfield – Nothing to report 14. Member at Large, Jeff Schetler — Not present IV. Unfinished Business 1. AW Elkhorn Acres – Clay discussed the basic plans for AW Elkhorn Acres. More info can be found on the Phorum. Peter is currently working on the plan. 2. Meeting Locations – Still a work in progress. The September General Club meeting will take place at AW Elk23 horn Acres and a grounds clean-up is planned. Please bring trash bags, weed eaters, and mowers if possible. 3. Officer Club Dues Discount – Discussion ended and tabled indefinitely. 4. Louisville Iron Man Volunteer Request – Volunteers still needed for the upcoming Iron Man event in Louisville. Details can be found on the Phorum. See Adelessa if you are interested in volunteering. 5. BWA Sign – Clay reviewed the recent discussion at the August Steering Committee meeting regarding the purchase of a BWA sign to be used at club functions. Previous officer team passed a motion to purchase said sign. Jason P. has the info on the signs, and the price is $80.00 per sign. Issue will be handled at the next Steering Committee meeting. V. New Business 1. Cruso, North Carolina Volunteer Fire Department Donation – Clay reviewed the approved motion from the August Steering Committee meeting to donate $150.00 in memory of Scott Bradfield to the Cruso, NC Volunteer Fire Department in recognition of their efforts during the rescue and recovery operation. 2. Jondachi River Conservation Efforts – More details to follow at the next General Club Meeting. 3. Recent issues at the Forks of the Elkhorn Put-In – Jason P. discussed the recent issues at the Forks of the Elkhorn put in. Jason has spoken with the owner, along with the son and daughter who manage the campground. Issues have been resolved, and BWA members are encouraged to take some extra time and talk to the owner if approached. VI. Announcements : None VII. Trip Reports: None VIII. Adjournment 1. Jacob (Moved), Bob (Second) to adjourn. Motion passed. Meeting adjournment at 9:50pm. IX. Guest Speaker Presentation given by Alex DeSha from the Sierra Club. September 2013 Steering Committee Minutes Sept 2013, 2013 Big Props to Jeff Schetler for taking the minutes at this meeting!!! Officer Reports-7:42 President- nothing to report-“I really don’t have much to talk about” Past President-Club party will be Oct 5th at the Russell Fork, The BWA will be providing Breakfast Saturday morning (Oct 5th), Bethany makes motion to allot $200 for Emily to cook Breakfast for the Club, Clay seconds, all in favor motion passes. VP-Nothing to report Secretary- Not present (nothing to report) Member at large filling in Treasurer (copy and pasted email)- Status on Treasury funds remains the same as last meeting. Very little accounting activities have taken place. A few memberships came in, but nothing to sway the books significantly. I need to know when and where to send the $500 check that is earmarked for AW Acres from previous meetings. Also, do we need to send a check to ACA for Insurance for Spring clinic participants? Need to check with Jason to see where we stand with the applications and where/when to send the check. Who needs money? Thank you. Jeff K-- Treasurer Safety officer-not present-Adelessa spoke for Tom-we are good to go on the winter roll sessions at the Pinnacle Pool, they will most likely be on Fridays again this year however they will begin at 7:40 instead of 7:30 to allow swimmers time to exit the pool Membership Coordinator-we continue to get new memberships for the club & everyone at the meeting was “PLUM TICKLED” about the influx in the new boaters and members. Clay makes a motion that he is plum tickled, Adelessa seconds, and the motion passed unanimously Conservation Officer-Discussed meeting at Elkhorn Acres last week-a few updates on the property that were discussed included additional gravel on the entrance/exit road with possible drainage , trees/bushes/rocks as barriers to the river, the port o john being serviced more frequently, no trash cans will be placed on the property. They are forming a subcommittee and we have to trust that the subcommittee will address the main concerns we all have. They also discussed property signs as well. (Adelessa made the suggestion to have an easement barrier on the property from the lot to the river; the committee is working on that) Vikings are giving a $600 contribution as well Program Director-Not present Web Master-Not Present Newsletter-Not Present Sept 4th 2013- 7:40pm-Meeting begins Gear Coordinator- Transferred all gear to excel spreadsheet so that we have all gear documented. He discussed the possibility of somehow putting this on the forum so that anyone can see what gear we have, check it out, check it back in, etc… We had a brief discussion about Lonnie being the first blind person to paddle the entire Grand Canyon; we also discussed trying to get him to speak at a club meeting. Previous Meeting Minutes pass- all in favor NPFF-Everything is going awesome so far and she is further Sept Steering Committee Meeting Attendees-Clay, Adelessa, Bethany, Emily, Ali, Jeff S, & BJ 24 ahead of schedule than she was last year this time. Sept 24th they are going to have a donor meeting and Clay said he will have the Film Meeting at his house on the 24th.NPFF will have a booth at Gauley Fest, she said she will man or woman it but she may need to leave for the occasional restroom break. WE NEED DONATIONS for the NPFF, nothing to small (within reason) services (lawn mowing and such). Past Pres BWA party will be held the first weekend of October. The BWA SC has given her $200 to cater breakfast on Saturday morning. This weekend will also be Scott Bradfield’s memorial. VP Nada Member at large-nothing to report Unfinished Business-8:35pm-Discussed getting an A frame sign for the club, we could use at club functions, Gauley Fest, etc… Treasurer JK says “we have $”. Check coming from Vikings. If you’re worried, there is a spreadsheet on the forum. Have around $1700 in the bank. We wont go bankrupt. Secretary Nada Funny Comment of the night-Clay “Man I have got the slowest service ever here tonight” Just so happened our server Safety Very safe. Roll sessions start in January at the Pinnacle Pool again. The nights have not been decided upon was right behind us, however Clay was talking about his yet, but the start time will be pushed back from 7:30 to 7:45 phone service. to allow the little fishies to get out of the pool, and out of our way. New Business-8:43-Discussed renting the pavilion at Rat Hole the last weekend of Russell Fork season Webmaster Took ~40 people off the forum for not payEmily Grimes makes motion to adjourn-Clay seconds, all in ing dues favor-8:58pm NPFF Bethany is on the ball. Needs help getting stuff for silent auction. Get some new blood in the silent auction. September 2013 BWA Meeting Minutes Start early. If you have ideas please post to forum. September 24, 2013 By Emily Grimes (not secretary) UNFINISHED BUSINESS! 8:04PM The wonderful President Clay Warren called the Meeting locations, discussion still open, we welcome your meeting to order suggestions. Thanks be to Joe Wheatly for your meat. And for bringing the grill! And to everyone else who brought food, you made Curuso Fire Department will receive a $150 donation and a thank you card from us in the next week for Scott’s search the night delicious. Thanks to Kris Cheney for helping out with Scott Bradfield’s and rescue. funeral. Jondachi River Conservation Efforts, please check that out. Took a moment of silence to remember our friends who are A little bit goes a long way. not with us anymore. May they rest in peace. NEW BUSINESS! Adelessa motioned accept minutes from past meeting, it Next’s meetings program, Lonnie the blind veteran who ran passed with flying colors except for a few nays that were the Grand Canyon will tentatively be giving the presentation requested to break up the monotony. next month. Yee! Clay announced that we had 22 minutes to hold the meetG Fest! What What! Huge BWA encampment next to 4-H ing. dining house (breakfast spot) right when you get in on the Left, next to playground. Steve Fisher will be there to do OFFICER REPORTS! “joint” things President BWA will get together at the Gauley at Taw- Estill Co. and Irvine Parks & Recreation are building a boat ney Farms. YT is bringing screen and sound system. Super ramp Adelessa has directions to the building of that if anyone is interested. Chill. F**k the po-leis at Swiss. Camping there is $7.50/ night. We will be having an NPFF roadshow. Link to Tawney There is a clean-up on Towne Branch on Sunday from 1-5 if Farms and how to get there is posted on the forum. anyone is not at the Gauley Conservation Improvement to EA project-BWA has Jason Powell will be accepting 6 packs all weekend. donated $500 and the Vikings are donating $1500 to the cause. Woop Woop! There will be 2 phases of this project, TRIP REPORTS! 1. Gravel, parking, improve signage, and add a donation box (ohms for the poor) 2. Planting, rocks to improve buffer area between parking lot and stream. They hope to get this Nod to LBK for helping gorbies on the Elkhorn. Props. Leslie Coble is a boss. She loves firing it up with Cynthia. going by December 2013. Peter’s facial hair is on point, thanks Peter. And everyone else in this project, you guys are awesome. And also big thanks to Nathan for his cheap 8:44 PM ADJOURNED 25 NPFF 2014 Howdy folks, it's time to start thinking about all things National Paddling Film Festival. In an effort to not wait to the last minute to take care of anything this year I'm going to be really proactive about getting things organized. There is an impressive cast of characters that step up to work tirelessly to pull this event off every year. Some of these folks are plumb worn out. We need some new blood! The first big push we'll have is securing items for our silent auction. This is our real money generator every year. The more quality stuff we get, the more money we're able to give away. This push will start at the Gauley fest/late September and continue right up until the event, which will be on February 21st and 22nd of 2014. If you have any interest in helping out with the next NPFF, please holler at me either here, or shoot me an email: geogal @gmail.com. We'll have our first planning meeting in September and I'll send a mass email out to all of those people who want to get in on the NPFF gravy train. Stay tuned to the web site: www.npff.org Also stay tuned to the forum for some upcoming exciting NPFF announcements involving the guest host and some new partnerships. Bethany Overfield BWA Meetings Meetings held Second Tuesday of every month at 7:30 pm To eat during the meeting come a little early so you can place your order before the meeting starts. For up-to-date info on meetings always check http://www.bluegrasswildwater.org Bluegrass Wildwater Association PO Box 4231 Lexington, Ky. 40504 26