The following transcript of Peter Pecard`s interview on

The following transcript of
Peter Pecard’s interview
on
Memories and Music
(broadcast December 1, 1974)
was created by the Sudbury Public
Library as part of a
Summer Canada Project
in 1982.
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"MEMORIES & MUSIC"
INCO METALS CO . LTD.
CIGM
SUDBURY PUBLIC LIBRARY
ORAL HISTORY PROGRAM
INTERVIEWEE:
POSITION:
Peter Pecard
Inco Employee
TAPE NO: 73
TRANSCRIBER:
DATE:
INTERVIEWER:
Don MacMillan
DATE OF TRANS: August 1982
SUMMER CANADA PRQJECT
THEME:
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Wendy Mayhew
Mr . Pecard recalls his early life in orphanages in
Sault Ste . Marie and Sarnia; what life was like during
",t he depression , and his years of work at Levack mine.
D. M.
Well now folks we got another interesting guest on "Memories
& Music " and I know you ' ll agree after we ' ve got to know
him a little bit better . Now we ' re going to start off with
a little unusual' thing here. What is your name sir?
P. P.
Peter Pecard
D. M.
How do you spell that?
P. P.
Pecard .
D. M.
Now you didn ' t always spell it like though , right?
P. P.
No , no it used to be P , i , c until I got my birth certificate . Then I didn ' t like my second name at all .
D. M.
Are you going to tell us your second name on this broadca st?
P. P.
Oh I guess I might as well .
D. M.
Well let ' s hear it then.
P.P.
Pelepon Pierre Pecard .
D. M.
Right , well now Mr . Pecard let ' s get this right , the name
is Picard , P , i, c , a , r , d .
P. P.
Yeah .
D. M.
And not P , e , c , a, r , d .
that correct?
P. P.
Right , right.
D. M.
Have you done any research back to
Now Picard is a French name , is
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P.P.
Well my dad wa s French, mother was English. I talked a
little bit of French when I was a boy but after my dad
died I got away from it and mother wa s English and I
never kept it up that way. There was nobody to talk to.
D.M.
Now Mr. Pecard to, to get into the show.
r etire from Inco?
P.P.
In '73, 21st of July.
D.M.
How many years had you spent with Inco?
P.P.
38 years and 9 months.
D.M.
Well that's getting along with a pretty long service, eh?
P.P.
Very long, very long.
D.M.
Right.
P.P.
In 1908 in Littl e Current, Ontario.
D.M.
Little Current, eh?
P.P.
Mantoulin.
D.M.
Well now tell us something about Little Current when you
were growing up there. And by that I mean at age 5 or 6
or something. What are your earliest memories?
P.P.
Well er, lots of good swimming.
D. M.
Right .
P.P.
And the industry was a couple of sawmills and the c oal
ores over at Goat Island . Where they brought the coal
in there by boats and that went into International Nickel
and allover the north country from there as a distributing
point and all in all Mantoulin Island is a very good place
to , to live and it's a beautiful country , beautiful.
D.M.
Well now what I'm suggesting Mr . Pecard then is that your
boyhood may I, we
P.P.
Yeah.
D. M.
Have a reason for this. Up until the age of 6 or 7 or
thereabouts was pretty happy then, eh?
P.P.
Well it was • • • dad died when I was about 6 , 7 years old
and after he died it was pretty rough going . The war was
on, the First World War and the price of stuff was just
about as high i t is today.
D. M.
I guess it would be rela tively speaking , eh? in terms of
money to that .
When did you
It's a life time far as I'm concerned.
When were you born Mr. Pecard?
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P.P.
Yes and the wages weren't as high, you were only getting
$4 to $5 a day of wages. That was big wages them days.
D.M.
And it, it wouldn't be easy for your mother then, eh?
P.P.
No.
D.M.
Looking after.
P.P.
Very, very hard on her because she would take in washing,
scrubbing flo ors and stuff like that. She had no education
so
D.M.
So
P.P.
Pretty hard.
D.M.
You can see her point of view.
P.P.
That's right, that's right.
D.M.
The, the, the reason I asked that friends ,is that you, you
went into a, actually into an orphanage then at some point.
P.P.
That's right.
D.M.
Along the line, eh?
P.P.
That's what I was about 14, 15 years, 14 years old I guess.
I went there in 1922.
D.M.
The, your mother had remarried and
P.P.
Yes she remarried so
D.M.
The, the step-father as some times happened didn't work
out. Was that the
P.P.
That's, that's true.
D.M.
That seems to be the problem, eh?
P.P.
He didn't prove out to be a father to me at all.
D.M.
Well we, we won't go into that Mr. Pecard at the moment
but • • • where, before we got into the orphanage bit,
I'm interested in your father. Now you, did you tell us
he worked with the Algoma Eastern Railway there.
P.P.
Yeah he worked f or a, a coal hoist there at Goat I sland
for Algoma Eastern there.
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D. M.
Oh yeah .
P. P.
And on the track.
D. M.
And where did he c ome from , did you tell me?
P. P.
He come from Quebec I figure as far as I can s ee down at
Port Coulonge , down around Calumet Island , some place
down there.
D. M.
Do you t hink he just sort of went out l ooki ng for a job
and
P. P.
That ' s right .
D.M.
Winded up in Little Current .
P. P.
That ' s right , oh yeah .
D. M.
Well now how about that railway t he Algoma Eastern , that ' s
a
P. P.
Well it come into , to Little Current when I be about 4
years old I guess and I had , I had been there before that
into Goat Island but the first trip into Little Current
I ' d be about 4 years old . That ' d be about 1912 to come
in there
D.M .
Now
P. P.
And a , that was the end of the railroad right there at
Little Current .
D. M.
Right, there ' s no , no passenger service on that anymore .
P.P.
No more , not now .
D. M.
Well of course it wouldn ' t make t oo much sense I guess
with
P. P.
No not today .
D. M.
The , the roads in there .
P. P.
Not today , not with a road out of Litt le Current .
Espanola there ' s oh , everybody has a car or a
D. M.
Who needs the , the railway
P. P.
And they had the bus line in there now so
D. M.
Unless we all run out of gasoline and then maybe we ' ll
take a train.
Now
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Well then that might put it back on again.
D.M.
Mr. Pecard now growing up there in Little Current, did you
have any brothers or sisters?
P.P.
I had one brother and two sisters, one died.
yeah three sisters I should say.
D.M.
Right.
P.P.
And one died when she was 12 years old and my older sister
when s he was older than I myself. She died in '51 in
Toronto.
D.M.
Now the living ones.
P.P.
Margaret, she's in Peterbourgh
D.M.
And you have a brother John.
P.P.
A brother John, Little Current and he's retired from C.P.R.
railroad. He retired two years ago, on disability.
D.M.
Right.
P.P.
And he's two years younger than I , myself.
D.M.
Well now Mr. Pecard you, you told us or you at least in
the little chat before the broadcast that your father
didn ' t believe in going to doctors , is that right?
P.P.
That's true, that's true he, he could doctor himself you
see and he er , something like myself I wouldn't go to a
doctor unless I was dying myself.
D.M.
Right so he, he died of pneumonia and then you went.
were you in orphanages, a couple of them?
P.P.
I went to the Sault first then I went from there to Sarnia
and er, I was down in Sarnia from '24, ' 23 ' til '28 and
then I came back home to Little Current. Stayed home for
a month, then I went into lumber camp. Worked there for
the wint er about
D.M.
Well now let's not go too fast now.
in an orphanage then
P.P.
Yeah.
D.M .
In the Sault for awhile and then down in
P.P.
Down to Sarnia , yes .
Two sis,
Now who
Where
You worked, you were
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D.M.
Sarnia , the, from what you told us before the broadcast
an orphanage is not a luxury hotel but there are some
nice people running orphanages or the
P.P.
Yes some very nice people, some very nice people and
some of them well
D.M.
Well I guess that applies everywhere, eh?
P.P.
Everywhere right.
D.M.
Now after you, I' m interested how corne you went down to
Sarnia. That's , I find that odd
P.P.
Well I can ' t answer that myself, that's where they shipped
me and that's where I stayed when I got there.
D.M.
Yeah they
P.P.
I guess maybe the, more places to place boys out on
farms like that when they're in orphanage
D.M.
Yeah.
P.P.
And that's a
D.M.
Now when you were in the, after you had spent some time
in the orphanage in Sarnia then you.
P.P.
No I wasn't in an orphanage in Sarnia, I was just at a
boarding house like in Sarnia.
D.M.
At a boarding house.
P. P.
About, well j us t a year after I , I was on the '22, '23 I
we.n t down to Sarnia.
D. M.
Ah yeah and you went to work on farms there, eh?
P.P.
Yeah I worked on farms there.
D. M.
So • • • how , did you tell us how long t hat you spent at
that?
P. P.
Well I spent from that time 'til 1933 on farms. But in
between I went into the bush for a while and sawmills
and then back on a farm again because I don't know , the
farm seem to be drawing me back all the time.
D. M.
Ri ght, r i ght and you still, you still like the bush • • •
P.P.
I still like the bush and I still like the farm, right.
How old were you then?
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D. M.
And you sti ll like the farm. Now the , we ' re getting
on now to , to the 30 ' s the depres s ion is on . I , I
take it and I think you started riding the rods . Is
that t rue sir?
P.P.
That ' s true , that ' s true , very true .
D. M.
Where , where did you ge t to?
P. P.
I got as far as Medicine Hat , Alberta.
D.M .
Well now something interesting happened in Medicine Hat
as I recall it .
P.P.
Well there was a little bit too many mounties around .
D.M.
Right , so "lhat happened?
P. P.
They didn't want nobody going out west , out to , to the
coast anymore they had too many out there. I guess they
figured they h~d too many bums , I don ' t know . But you
couldn 't call it bums them days , there was no work
D.M .
That ' s right .
P. P.
Or looking for work
D. M.
So a , so the Mounted Policemen show up and say look fe11a
you can take the train back east but nobody's going any
farther west , right .
P.P.
No go west , no west .
D.M.
Well that ' s , that ' s interesting. Now you , you paid $5 for
a breakfast or something out there , is that true?
P.P.
Yeah .' that was my fine $5 .
D. M.
You know there are a lot of people , young people today
find this incredible I guess , hard to remember
P.P .
Well
D.M.
But we ' re deep in the depression by this time .
P.P.
Today the , the young people have it a lot easier than we
di d .
D. M.
Oh ye ah .
P. P.
They have hospitals all along the road and they get ride s
and t he , and the, the government is giving them bus to
take them so far . We didn ' t have that.
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No I guess not you , you (unintelligible)
P.P.
We, we were across Canada a lot , you hear d a lot of people
s ay they went across Canada on a dime well that's t r ue.
D.M.
Fair enough then.
P. P.
They didn't have a cent t hey still travelled across Canada.
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This was , of course , when we say ride the rods.
P.P.
That's right.
D. M.
You, you be inside a box car pretty well , eh?
P.P .
Inside , outside wherever you could get a hold of it .
D. M.
Wherever you
P.P.
Unless you knew how to fly you didn ' t get ins i de.
D.M.
You couldn't ride too far hanging onto the , onto the.
get between the cars , did you?
P. P.
Well a no, you climb up on top of the box car.
D. M.
And ride on top , eh?
P.P.
Ride on top , ride on top .
D. M.
Well t hat would be
P.P.
Sleep when a catwalk
D. M.
Is , is that
P. P.
Oh yeah sleep right on top of the box car .
D.M.
Well I 'll be darned.
P. P.
You never , you get so used to it that you never falloff,
you , well you strap your backpack onto
D.M.
Yeah.
P. P.
Onto the catwalk , eh? So you can't rollover or turn your
shoulders and , and you go to sleep there.
D.M.
There you are young fellows , and we're talking now then in ,
in the , in the early 30's. Ah , as you say you got out to
Medicine Hat and it seems to me too, that out in Medicine
Hat, of course , now in Saskatchewan on to that area. There
was s ome dust getting ready for the show you told that I
You
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PECARD
thought interesting story about a farm house you saw out
there.
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P.P .
Well yes , was a , was about 10 of us on this car there.
We got off the freight train a t a , I just forget the
name of the town now. There was a farm house acros s
the field. So I said to the boys, I says , let ' s go over
there , I says , spend the night there, I says , it ' s a good
place to sleep , I says an old abandoned house there. So
we went over and we went in the upstair window. Now right
off the ground that was dur ing the depression , they had
drought out there , they had the sand storms out there
blowing allover the place. There were no , no crops ,
nothing at all out there and just sand. And you picture
walking in a two story house , going in the upstair window ,
now it ' s pretty bad .
D. M.
There you have it friends from somebody who was there and ,
and somebody who saw it. Well now Mr . Pecard we've got
you after the mounted policeman suggested politely I guess
that you head back east or maybe not quite so politely but
firml y.
P.P.
Oh very firm .
D.M.
I see .
it?
P. P.
Sudbury , yep.
D. M.
And er , now what happened in Sudbury?
P . P.
Well er , I was pretty desperate for a job and they were
hiring at the mine so I figured I ' d try Inco.
D.M.
Well now again you told us about , tell us about again
about the , the , the big line ups , how long you had to
wait? Some , what it was like getting a job •• •
P.P.
It was very , very rough for boys coming into Sudbury had
no money , no place to stay. They had to sleep on the
railroad or sleep on box cars or sleep wherever they c ould
and , and be down at the office every morning. Mys e lf, I
was there for 26 days , every morning when they were hiring
and they'd come out and they'd say , pick out 2 or 3 boys
they 'd say that ' s all today boys , come back tomo ~row well
we ' d be there at 4 o'clock in the morning and wait ' t il 8
o ' clock , 9 o ' clock ' til it opened . I ' d stand there for
maybe 10 , 15 minutes after it opened and then you go home
' cause there was nob ody , no hiring but er
D.M .
Well now wait a minute now , this , this hiring you, you
told us they ' d look . over , they wanted big , strong •• •
You, you • • • came back where to , to Sudbury , was
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P.P.
Big
D. M.
Farm boys , is that • • •
P.P.
Yeah big hus ky men, Finns, Ukrainains , you had to be
190, 185 , 190 you couldn't get in any less than that
for to work underground.
D. M.
That ' s almost like the way they hire football players
now, right?
P.P.
That ' s right , that's right .
D. M.
Right , now Mr . Pecard and by the way friends we're chatting with Peter Pecard here who retired in 1973 after
38 years and 9 months with Inco. He told us quite a
story about being i n an orphanage, of being on a farm in
Sarnia , of being out in the west. Now when you came
back to Sudbury you had , you'd had it after about 26 days
you were going to pack it up and leave.
P. P.
And leave
D.M.
And a friend of yours talked you out of it .
was that stor y?
P.P.
I was going to go back to the , .to Port Arthur, Fort
Willia m to get in on the pulp business up there and pulp
camps for the winter and
D.M.
Yeah.
P.P.
I wasn ' t going to starve for the winter as long as I could
hang my hat someplace I was going to go .
D.M .
Fair enough so but you didn ' t .
P.P.
No I stayed on with Inco.
D.M.
Did not a friend of yours persuade you to go back and make
one more try at getting hired?
P.P.
That ' s right . A fella by the name of Pete Leslie, I think
he ' s dead today .
D.M.
But he said go back again eh , and
P.P.
Go back one more day and try it then he says if you don ' t
get on , he says well go out west.
D. M.
Well isn 't it funny you know how , how , how a life can be
a whole life can be
What , what
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P.P.
Yeah, yeah one, just one man.
D.M.
Yeah.
P.P.
Just one word some times.
D.M.
Well now Mr. Pecard tell us about • • • starting this was,
was with Frood, was it not with • • • was there school
stope there?
P.P.
Yes I worked, I worked 3 days of school stope and when I
come out there I got in the contract stope. The shift
boss told me, you got three weeks to be able to put out
as much muck as the next guy here so there's a man waiting
up there at the employment office for your job. So I had
to, put your nose on the · grind stone.
D.M.
This Mr. Pecard is starting to sound more like the hockey
and football teams. You, you produce or else they got
somebody waiting in the wings all the time.
P.P.
That's right.
D.M.
Great well then you • • • you t urned out enough muck then
eh, enough stuff that you , er • • • believe that you never
quit.
P.P.
I never quit, I never had a break in service.
D.M.
That's, that's quite a record, eh, in, in what 38 years
or whatever it was, eh? Well that's, that's, that ' s
great. Well now this was at Frood , then you went to Levack,
is that true sir?
P.P.
Right.
D.M.
In what year was that?
P.P.
I went to Levack in 1937 and stayed there ' til last year
until I was pensioned off on the 21st of July.
D.M .
Well now Mr. Pecard let ' s get a little bit away from the
actual mining and let ' s talk about some of the fellows
you knew. You mentioned people like • • • that you kicked
around with in those days might or might not be listening.
I don't know whether living or not people like, was it
Lorne Parker and some of those.
P . P.
Lorne Parker, Gordon French or Gordon Tulloch, Gordon
French and Joe Piscoski and Matti Koski.
D.M .
And how , who was the fellow you went a lot of, did a lot
of hunting and fishing with back (unintelligible)
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Joe Piscoski.
D.M.
He was your hunting and fishing pal .
P.P.
He was my hunting and fishing partner. Him and Stan
Schneider , Stan Schneider he's retired now. He had a
car accident.
D.M.
Is that right?
Mr. Pecard?
P. P.
You did , eh?
D. M.
I ' m sure we did.
P.P.
I hope so .
D.M.
All right .
P.P.
Stan has a camp now on Windy Lake there , and he's getting
along pretty good . He's crippled up pretty bad but he's
er, keeping her going anyway.
D.M .
All right, now how about Mr. Fyfe .
P.P.
Mr. , Mr. Fyfe he was a good superintendent and fair to
the boys . And then , then Dave Lennie he was my last superintendent and a , he was really good wit h the boys but hard
on the bosses and
D.M.
Now Mr. Pecard you told us before the broadcast something
about Mr. Lively and what a fine chap he was (unintelligible)
P.P.
Yeah and he came in there after Stewart left Levack and er
he was quite the character. He , he ' d go underground and he
wouldn't wear no hard hat until the safety captain got
after him and he done a lot of chewing the rag about it.
But if you could talk as fast as old Charlie , well you ' re
a good man . But if you put your tail between your legs
and walked away you weren't a man at all .
D.M.
Well Mr. Pecard that sounds like the , sort of the good old
days of mining , eh men were men and
P. P.
Right .
D. M.
In those days .
P.P.
It was true.
D. M.
Now somewhere along the line here in the middle 30's thereabouts , you got yours elf married , is that true?
He a , we ' ve had Stan on this br.oadcast
Now he may be even listeni ng to this .
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P.P.
I beg your pardon.
D.M.
Did you get yourself married around the middle 30's?
P.P.
Oh yes, oh yes I got married in a , 30, 35.
D.M.
Now Mr. Pecard I know there's an interesting story attached
to how you met the young lady. Now will you tell us about
that please.
P.P.
Well I went, went out to Ramsey Lake going swimming there
one Sunday and I went out about the 19th of August and I
met this girl out there and she asked me if I could teach
her to swim. I said, "I'll try." Well when t he process
of trying to teach her to swim, I took a walk off a drop
off or whatever you want to call it Ramsey Lake. If any
of you people know Ramsey Lake, you'll know what I mean
up at Hermit's Bay there , it's pretty bad and I, well I
had a little excitement a few minutes there and there was
about 1000 people there and nobody seen us in trouble but
I got out of that mess and we got married so it was all
right.
D.M.
I'm a little bit, I guess the lady would be a little bit
perturb after you finally got her out of there .
P. P.
Oh , oh is she ever .
D.M.
(uni ntelligible) swallowed a lot of wa ter , I guess, eh?
P.P .
No not too much water, she held her breath .
D.M.
Did she , eh?
P.P.
Oh yeah she held herself.
D.M.
And a, well now • • • did you tell us this was just a girl
that you had met at the, at the lake swimming , right?
P. P.
That's right.
D.M.
Well that's one way to er, to meet a future wife, eh, almost
drown them, eh?
P.P.
That ' s right.
D.M.
Did you, I guess the l east you could do was, is, is take
the lady home.
P.P.
Take the lady home and make a date with her for the next
night.
Very , very flustered , I guess .
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D.M .
Fair enough and how long 'til you were married?
P.P.
Well I s t art going out with her in August and I was married
in the 7th of December of the same year.
D.M.
Well Mr. Pecard the, I know it has been a long and a happy
marriage for you and that , that you have quite a family now.
How many in your family?
P.P.
I had nine.
D.M.
By golly would you like to tell us who they are.
P.P.
Well there ' s Stan at Levack and Gladys in Thompson, Manitoba.
D.I'1.
Gladys is a?
P.P.
Mrs . Bern Harter.
D.M.
Yeah.
P.P.
At , at Thompson , Manitoba.
D.M.
Right.
P.P.
And then there's Marilyn, she ' s living in Levack. Mrs.
Gerry Robillard, and then there's Garfield, he ' s in
Squamish, B.C. He ' s a machinest out there, he had to go
out west t o get his apprenticeship , he couldn't get that
at home and he finished his school out there. He worked
in Levack for awhile with Inco and then there ' s Gail,
she ' s out in Creighton, Saskatchewan just out of Flin Flon.
D.M.
That's interesting Creighton, Saskatchewan .
P. P.
And
D.M.
Now wait a minute, no, no Flin Flon is Manitoba.
P.P.
Yeah Manitoba, well that's the border.
D.M.
Creighton was in Saskatchewan there.
P.P.
See there ' s Flin Flon just on one side of the border in
D.M.
And Creighton ' s on the other, eh?
P.P.
Manitoba, just like you walk across the street here.
D.M .
Oh very good, very good , carryon.
P. P.
And then I ' ve a what is it , Raymond.
I had
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Raymond .
P. P.
Yeah he working at , in Sudbury here for Laurent ian
Installation . And I have one daughter in a , in Port
Coulonge , Doreen and s he ' s Mrs . Jack Denault a nd then
I have one son in a Winnipeg , Keith . He took an apprenticeship ther e with a C. N. R. ther e, he went through school
there finished his schooling and then I got Margar et a t
home at Levac k , she ' s Mrs . Frank Hepfe r n .
D. M.
Well you know when Inco hired you way back there 38 years
ago or whatever it was , they didn ' t realize they were
t aking care, hir ing a family too pretty soon , eh?
P. P.
Oh they didn ' t , they didn ' t think they ' d be hiring any of
my f amily at all , not in them days.
D. M.
And er, I , I gather that you have some grandchildren Mr.
P. P.
I have 26 grandchil dren , I ' m not going to give you all
the names .
D. M.
Mr . Pecard you , your wife died not too long ago .
P . P.
Yeah she died l ast year on the 14th of July , she deceased
me then and er she di ed of cancer .
D. M.
Right .
P . P.
And one year before she died she weighed 230 pounds , when
she died she we ighed 65 pounds .
D. M.
We l l that ' s a , I think as we said before cancer is no
r especter of persons that can be Mrs . Nelson Roosevelt .
P. P .
That ' s true , that ' s t r ue .
D. M.
Or it can be anybody , eh?
P. P.
It ' s a very
D. M.
To report any , to report anything that looks like cancer
and to , to support the cancer society.
P. P.
That ' s right , that ' s right .
D. M.
Would you go along with that?
P. P .
That ' s the only thing to do is get to a doctor and see
what is the matt er with you and that ' s what I ' m doing
now.
D. M.
Right .
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P. P.
So I ' ll live a little longer.
D.M .
Well now your wife though living she , you and she used
to enjoy living in a camp , is that right?
P.P.
Oh yes very much so , very much so.
D. M.
Where was this camp?
P.P.
On Morgan Lake , east of Levack about 8 miles.
D.M.
Right .
P.P.
And I was just 8 miles f r om t own but you get up there ,
you'd think you were 50 mile away because you're out in
the wilderness there and you're all alone. Nobody else
had a camp on the lake but myself and it was quiet , just
beautiful.
D.M.
It ' s a beautiful part of the world up in the
P. P.
Yep oh , beautiful , beauti ful at one time there used to
be good hunting in there but no more now.
D. M.
Yeah but who needs Muskoka when you ' ve got that kind of
country about as you say 8 mile s away and where , did you
tell us where you live now Mr.
P.P.
I ' ve lived in Dowling, I ' m boarded in Dowling at Bruce
MacDonald ' s , at 209 Riverside Drive.
D. M.
You have a the ory Mr. Pecard that a , that better you
should still l i ve on your own and not with the family ,
is that true?
P. P.
That ' s true , that ' s true. I , I'm independent yet and I
hope to be i ndependent for a few years yet.
D.M.
Right fair enough.
late ly .
P . P.
We ll yes I' m taking t his here, plaster of paris bus iness
there you know , where you get the bowls and make horse
heads and fish and chinese wome n and boys and oh all
kinds of stuff.
D. M.
Did you not some weeks ago ,or a, have a show after work?
P.P.
Yeah had one at the Community Centre in Dowling there 'on
a Sunday and I took my display over there and I got a few
sale s now , some of the pe ople want ing to buy some of the
stuff so I got to get busy.
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D. M.
Very good , well we ' ll give you a little plug on the , on
the , on this show here if your , I haven ' t seen this but
I , I can i magine that it ' s , it ' s very attractive , get in
touch with ~tt. Pecard , eh?
P. P.
That ' s right .
D. M.
What ' s , what ' s your address again Mr. Pecard?
P. P.
Dowling , Ontario , the phone number is 9, er , 855-3805 .
D. M.
Well now Mr . Pecard you , I think you would agree t 'ha t
you ' ve l ead a •• • a pretty full life , pretty successful
life. You ' ve travelled east and west , you have a nine
children. You have 26 grandchi ldren , you had a happy
married life . It seems to me you to l d me that you , a
philosophy of your ' s is that people are good or bad and
that you didn ' t hold a grudge , now is that true , or am
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Yeah that ' s true , I never held a grudge . I ' ve always been
able to go back and talk to my fri ends , enemies and whatever you want t o call them after I ' ve had a chewing match
with them or had a fight with them or anything . I could
always go back and make my friends again and
D. M.
That ' s pretty good , that ' s pretty good philos ophy I would
say .
P.P.
Oh I don ' t figure I got an enemy in the world.
D. M.
That ' s good , I , I , I don ' t know how many , how many people
can say that but I , I , I can well believe it sir . Now
there was another thing , you were asking as you say , your
living out of Levack but you don ' t know too much about a ,
community clubs here in , in Sudbury . Now what was that
question Mr .
P.P .
Well I ' d l i ke to join up some of the old pens ion clubs
or • • • some t hing l ike that and a , t here is another c l ub
here that Widows ' Club and Widowers ' Club there at a , I ' m
going to try and get in one of these Tuesday nights but I
just forgot t he address of it and if I get that I ' d be all
r ight .
D. M.
Well maybe we could suggest that if somebody is listening
to the broadcast that maybe they can get in t ouc h with
you , eh?
P. P.
Well .t hat·:would be all right .
D. M.
And I , and I wi ll re c ommend you as a fine member in Dowling .
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Thank you very much .
D. M.
And what is your phone number?
P. P.
855- 3805 .
D. M.
And your address Mr . Dowling ,
P. P.
It a Dowling , Ontari o and
D. M.
Excuse me not Mr . Dowling but Mr . Pecard .
P. P.
Ri verside Drive , 209 Riverside Drive .
D. M.
Well thank you very , very much . Friends and neighbours
our guest today has been Mr . Peter Pecard , Pecard as we
told you at the s tart of the broadcast he spent his , he
spelled his name P , e , c , a , r , d for nearly all his
life until he found recently on a birth cer tificate ther e
was P , i , c , a
P. P.
No P , e , c , is my birth certificate .
D. M.
P , your birth certificate is P , e , c .
P , i , c.
P. P.
Right .
D. M.
He retired in July of 1973 aft er 38 years and 9 months
with International Nickel at which time I believe you
were working in the hoist room , is that correct sir?
P. P.
That ' s right , I was a , more or less a janitor in the
hoist room keeping it clean and looking after things
there and
D. M.
Very , very fine sir .
and being our guest
P. P.
Your welcome .
D. M.
On "Memories &
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You spelled it
Thank you Mr . Pecard for coming