From Getting Ripped Off! - Baan Sathorn Chaophraya

Baan Sathorn Chaophraya Condominiums
BSC Condominiums,
Bangkok, Thailand
The Most Corrupt Condo Complex in Thailand
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From Getting Ripped Off!
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Index
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Title: BSC Condominiums, Bangkok, Thailand
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OUR GOAL
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The Riverside Bangkok
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Riverside Bangkok Trap
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Condo Profile & Tricks
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The Riverside Bangkok /TripAdvisor Warning
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Fraudulent Management
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Caution
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Proof & Evidence
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Threats
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Latest updates
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NEWS from Co-owners
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Videos about meetings
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Attention Owners
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Updates & Complaints
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Owners, Potential Renters & Buyers Blog Forum!
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Do your Homework
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THE JURIST CRIMINAL
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Court Case Overviews
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Executive Bios
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Q & A Emails
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Who can Post Feedback
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Visitors
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The Admin
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The BSC Criminal Condominiums, Bangkok, Thailand
Professional crooks that never stop robbing you!
This is an Informative Consumer Protection eBook created by current & or
formertenant/owners not affiliated in any way with the Baan Sathorn Chaophraya (BSC)
Condominiums management. This site has been created to help people make an
informative decision prior to buying or renting at BSC providing you with information you
would never get from their management.
OUR GOAL
This site was developed to speak the truth and make people aware of what really goes
on at the BSC condominiums located in Bangkok, Thailand. For more than 9 years
concerned owners have been fighting to free BSC of corruption, discrimination and
many other management problems to better the lives of the current co-owners and
potential future buyers & renters.
BSC doesn't have a reputation of excellence or quality of services. The management is
not forthright to the residents, renters or buyers. You will see the proof provided by this
site!
WE ADVISE THAT YOU DO THOROUGH REASEARCH ON BSC BEFORE YOU
WASTE YOUR HARD EARNED MONEY BUYING OR RENTING IN THIS COMPLEX.
UNTIL ALL OF THE MANAGMENT AND PUPPET CONDO COMMITTEE ARE
REPLACED, WE BELEVE IT IS A WASTE OF ANYONES MONEY. YOU MAY AS
WELL FLUSH IT DOWN THE TOILET!
The Riverside Bangkok
Is a condo rental operation NOT "Apartment Rentals" as they word it, we assume to "get
around the law". The owners and operators along with BSC management violate Thai
Law that states condos are NOT ALLOWED to be rented in a short term Hotel/Motel
manner.
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Their website address is... http://theriversidebangkok.com/
Their prices are outrageously high ranging from $400 USD up to $2,000 USD per week
depending on the season. You can stay one block away at the Ibis Hotel for $150 to
$300 per week w/meals included depending on the season.
The BSC management claims they know nothing about this but when short term clients
of Riverside Bangkok arrive, the condo employees and security are ordered to "jump
like rabbits" to take care of these non-owners as if they are royalty. Their ID's are not
even checked while BSC management ignores and treats condo owners like crap just
because they are concerned and worried about these non-vetted strangers that use,
abuse, damage and put wear and tear on the condo fitness equipment and premises
that owners have to pay for with their personal condo fees!
The Juristic manager has to be a REAL DUMMY to claim he knows nothing about this.
How the hell can you be the GM for 7 years and not know? That’s always his excuse.
He never knows anything except how to screw people over! He's a real expert at that!
Riverside Bangkok Trap
The Sand Trap!
You should know that the BSC management operates the complex like a giant SAND
TRAP!
Here is how this works...
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First they invite you in with all the sweet talk and false promises to view the
property.
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Next they show you around the complex presenting the pool and fitness areas.
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Then they will introduce you to employees and co-owners that are in cahoots
with them to let you ask questions & put your mind at ease.
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They will give you stories of how pleasant and convenient the location is and
then...
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They will ONLY show you units that are for sale through the management or
units that are for sale by the owners in cahoots with them.
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Then if your pleased and sign to buy you are DONE, HOOKED, SWINDELED
CAUGHT IN THE SAND TRAP!
What They Don’t Tell You Is....
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Once you are in, it is hard to get out due to the buildings reputation and
management.
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They charge foreigners 1/4 or more on rent or purchase than they do Thai's.
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They will not show you the penthouse area; the reason is illegal fire hazard
shanty garage structure or roof top that is in shambles.
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About the TERMITE problems.
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The 6th floor and lobby Wi-Fi rarely works.
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The A/C in the 6th floor business center works poorly as one A/C unit is turned
off.
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The computers in the business center are 9 years old and rarely work!
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They do anything they want without the owners’ approvals or votes!
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They will not help you if you become friendly and side with owners who have
wised up and battle them in court and...
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They use the condo funds illegally to attack anyone who is against them and
waste thousands of our condo funds filing frivolous lawsuits to intimidate people.
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Use our condo funds to repair damages to the condo and equipment caused by
The Riverside Bangkok Apartments operation in the building that the manager is
probably getting a kickback from.
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Collect Special Funds and not use the money for the project they claim and won’t
account for the money!
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Will not help you sell your unit and try to steal your prospects from you UNLESS
you give the manager a commission.
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Will tear down your posting for rent or sale on the bulletin board UNLESS you
give the manager a commission.
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Issue special expensive bonuses without explanations on who or what they are
for.
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Won't help you with any problems if you don't become one of their Kiss Arse.
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If you decide to sell and leave they will do everything in their power to steal
buyers away from you and keep you isolated and locked into the Sand Trap.
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They keep collecting special funds and fees from you that they will never account
for.
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They will Threaten, Bully, Insult, Defame, Destroy your character and Sue you if
you are not part of their Kiss Ass group controlled by the Crooked Juristic
Manager!
Condo Profile & Tricks
What you all should know is that when potential buyers or renters arrive to view the
complex, the first place the management shows them is the "swimming pool and fitness
areas". These are the only locations they maintain well as they are their main selling
points.
Management and the owners that are in cahoots with them, hide everything else that is
negative about the complex from prospects. And they do their best to keep prospects
from talking to or questioning residents (other than those in cahoots) who live there for
their opinions and the truth.
It is important to know that some security guards will lie for him, and the manager has
placed cameras throughout the complex that he uses to monitor your movements and
usually NOT for security purposes. If you cross him, he edits the videos of you to make
them appear different from the facts or the truth so he can use them against you in court
if you are not one of his kiss arse!
The reality is that there are so many units for sale at BSC because most of the owners
are fed up with all of the shenanigans and are desperate to get out! Some have sold
their units at a loss so they can leave and finally have some peace in their lives.
Do an internet search yourself and
see how many units are for sale in
this complex you will be shocked!!
If it's so lovely, why are SO MANY trying to get out??!
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The Riverside Bangkok /TripAdvisor Warning
Don't believe everything you read. One or more of the owner/s of the Riverside Bangkok
(also condo committee member/s at BSC) regularly monitors the Trip Advisor website
reviews and comments page. Negative posts about them are flagged and removed. We
know because we posted a review about them & it was removed within a few hours. A
post on Trip Advisor from a person also states that they monitor it HERE!
Should RBA have it deleted, we saved it, along with some Trip Advisor negative
reviews. Click HERE to view them. Trip Advisor should allow vetted negative reviews to
protect the public!
Fraudulent Management
You could probably recruit deranged people from a psychiatric hospital that could
manage the building better. Go to the Videos page to view more clips of how
disrespectful this committee and management are towards owners & foreigners. They
show a complete and total disregard for the Thailand Condominium Act so they can
continue racketeering!
The issues on this consumer protection site are related to the Baan Sathorn
Chaophraya Condominiums located in Bangkok, Thailand. We provide you with
information that the management would never provide you with and leave it up to you to
decide if the actions of the Juristic Manager, management team and condo committee
were or are likely to be dishonest, untrustworthy, or morally worrisome in some way.
Caution
Investigate and Beware of other Vacation Rental and Real-Estate sites such as the
Bangkok Dream Apartments the Bangkok Riverside Condominium, The Riverside
Bangkok Apartments, www.baansathornchaophraya.com or the Baan Sathorn
Chaophraya Holiday Apartments that offer these properties!
Proof & Evidence
We backup the info on our site with EVIDENCE! If anyone can present VERIFIED and
DOCUMENTED evidence that can dispute what is posted on our site, please feel free to
send it in to us for review. Anything submitted to us would be subject to careful
examination and scrutiny (vetting) especially when this involves determining suitability
for something to be posted on our site and may require someone to revel their identity
or source to us for verification purposes. All voluntarily submitted identities are protected
and have never been nor will be revealed to anyone by us!
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Death Threat
DEATH THREAT RECEIVED!!
SAD DAY FOR BSC!
Click the News Blast links for the latest news! BSC has now reached its absolute
lowest point possible for people living in this complex. How much lower can it possibly
degrade with this management in charge?
04/04/2015” VEILED DEATH THREAT RECEIVED”
Exposed disastrous and hostile conditions at BSC
LATEST UPDATES
CLICK HERE FOR ALL NEWS BLASTS!
03/27/2015 HIPFLAT facilities and info tab states that there are 81 units for sale and 91
for rent in this complex. If it is really so lovely, why are so many trying to GET OUT!!?
03/23/2015 MUST READ: 2015 BSC ANNUAL MEETING UPDATE !
The TRUTH about Corruption, Lies, & Past and Current Mismanagement of condo
funds!!
Don't believe everything you read on other sites...DO YOUR HOMEWORK!
NEWS from Co-owners
12/08/2013
Several co-owners have sent us emails about the EGM held on 1 December. Here is a
summary of those emails:
1. The EGM was disrespectful to foreigner owners & held in Thai only.
2. There was no handbook or information handout.
3. Questions given to the committee and management several days before the meeting
were ignored & not answered.
4. The juristic manager, not the committee, ran almost the entire
meeting which is prohibited by the Thai condo laws.
5. Votes were held before information was provided for them.
6. Votes were held without allowing some owners to ask questions or express opinions.
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7. A group of attendees were at the meeting that do not even live in the complex & were
allowed to shout down owners who wanted to ask questions or express opinions. The
committee did nothing to control this.
8. The juristic manager would not allow several owners to speak or provide information.
9. BSC Management posted the results of the votes by Dec 3rd.EGM was on the 1st.
10. By management's count, both items for voting, painting the exterior of the building
and allowing employees to live on the "premises” were passed by large majorities.
Videos about meetings
Click each title to open a hyperlink to see a video off our website of how they conduct
the meeting and how HATEFULL they are to owners! We let you draw your own
conclusions! AVOID THIS PLACE! You may need Windows Media Player but your
default player should be able to open and view the videos.
- Arrogant condo committee video - AGM video on how they illegally conduct the annual
meetings - Illegal Garage Structure Part One - Illegal Garage Structure Part Two - Juristic Manager with a "Little Caesar" complex - Tearing out floor tiles without owners approval - Exterior Paint Job Part One - Exterior Paint Job Part Two - BSC Paint Job Rust, Grime & Smut -
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Attention Owners
Many owners responded to our latest email about the law suit and asked for more
information. We wrote that the law suit invalidated the votes for agenda items 2, 3, and
4 from the EGM held in November 2012. The agenda items invalidated are:
- Agenda 2: Approval Special Fund of 10 Million Baht to be collected at the rate of 250
Baht per square meter and divide into 4 installments to cover the repairing of the
Common Area as below
2.1 Repair the Aluminum Composite
2.2 Painting the outside Building for the side facing Charoennakorn Rd.
2.3 Seal the Silicone window outside the building
- Agenda 3: Approval for the Parking Space Rental by Sena Fest Mall
- Agenda 4: Others (if any) Approval for employee living quarters in the parking
building (JURISTIC MANAGER, OFFICE PERSONNEL, BOAT DRIVER, GUARD,
TECHNICIANS, THEIR FAMILIES AND MORE)
The results of the votes that were posted after the EGM by the committee and
management were:
Agenda 2: 44.57%
Agenda 3: 43.23%
Agenda 4: 38.41%
In the case when an EGM or AGM is held on the first scheduled date, a minimum of
51% of the total condo vote is required for changes to the common area. In the case
when a quorum is not met for the first date and the meeting is scheduled for a second
date (as happened with the EGM in November 2013), a minimum of 1/3 of the total vote
of the condo is required to make changes to the common area. Once 15% is deducted
from the numbers above for Burandara's invalid votes, the required 1/3 minimum is not
met. The court ruled that the vote for the three agenda items was not legal.
One other very important point, not part of the lawsuit, is that the juristic manager's term
expired in May. Please send us your ideas about how we can replace him.
We have tried very hard in our emails to provide you with information based on facts
which can be proven. We have asked you to check the information for yourselves. In
response, some members of the old committee and the management office have called
us troublemakers and persons of ill intent. We ask that you check the documents you
have and the documents we send you to determine who is telling the truth. If you have
any questions, please email us and we will do our best to answer them.
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Do the prospective buyers or renters
really want to invest into this complex with
people like this continuing to manage it?
Updates & Complaints
Email 3/26/2014 11:13 AM
From: (Identity Protected)
Sent: 3/26/2014 11:13 AM
To: adman@baansathornchaophrayacondominiums.com
Subject: Juristic Manager Placed In Handcuffs-Goes
To Holding Cell until Bail Posted on 2/26/2013
I sold my condo just at the same price, but it seemed that was impossible with 90 units
unsold and many other problems, as renting as hotel, and all these people living in
garage.
So friend thank you for your help and I call him tomorrow because I just arrived from
Office
Best regards and thanks for to inform people!
10/05/2013
Dear BSC Co-owners,
You were sent an update earlier this year to let you know the juristic manager admitted
his guilt in court for allowing a laundry to remain in the BSC parking lot, even though he
had received an order from the Bangkok City Planning Office to remove it. He allowed
the laundry to stay there for over 400 days. He received a fine and was put on
probation for a jail sentence. We received information that he appealed the jail term and
appeared in court this week to hear the result of his appeal. The court denied his
appeal. The court ruled that the juristic manager had shown disregard for the law by
refusing to obey the order from the City Planning Office for over 400 days. His jail term,
on probation, remains in place. Now, the juristic person and committee are doing a
similar thing. They are refusing to obey a Bangkok City Planning Office order to remove
the illegal living units for the juristic manager and some other BSC employees in the car
park building. We also reported to you recently that the Thai Court ruled that the vote
from the last EGM/AGM to approve these living spaces was invalid. Why do they refuse
to obey legal orders? Why do they allow daily fines to build up against our condo? Will
our common funds be used to pay these fines? Finally, what kind of, or lack of,
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management skills are the committee and juristic person showing? Why do you put up
with them?
Many of you know that the BSC ferry boat is again sitting idle at the pier, out of service.
Lately, this seems to be an annual event, with little information about what is wrong or
how long it will be out of service. The boat is not old. Do you see the boats from other
hotels and condos sitting out of service like this on a regular basis? Do you like this
inconvenience or do you think your renters like this inconvenience? Do you think The
Fine and Suparkarn will put up with these outages and continue to support the boat?
Another co-owner has reported to us that TERMITES were once again found on the 6th
floor of the building. This is at least the third time termites have been found there. Why
can't this problem be controlled when we have monthly pest control services?
We do have to give credit to the management for doing some cleaning up, for some
recent repairs, and for adding flowers to the lobby and 6th floor. We hope this is a new
trend. Or, as has happened in the past, is this the cleanup that happens just before an
EGM/AGM is announced?
A police report was filed against a confrontational employee for threatening the resident
who was taking a video of unauthorized Tile Removal & storing Termite Wood in
Common Area.
Click HERE to view the report
A police report has been filed against that employee. If the management continues to
keep him here (they did) it shows you how they really feel about the co-owners rights
and their safety.
BSC has sent out a notice and proxy forms for an EGM. The date is 17 November,
which provides the minimum allowable notice, if it meets the minimum at all. That date
also just happens to be Loy Kratong holiday when no one will be here to attend the
meeting. Gee, an EGM on a holiday and with minimum notice, as if that’s never
happened before.
Open Blog Forum
Post your questions, complaints, reviews and answers for people on this section. You
can remain anonymous or open to the public...it's your choice. We understand that
some people may not be able to control their feelings and want to vent their anger about
BSC so please restrain yourself from posting any vulgar language. When each forums
page fills with comments a new page will be automatically created and you will then
have the option of reviewing the Newer or Older entries.
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Owners, Potential Renters or Buyers Forum!
By The Admin on 07/29/14
This area is for Owners at BSC and Potential Renters or Buyers to post their reviews,
questions and answers to assist those seeking straight answers and advice about how
to deal with BSC and The Riverside Bangkok.
Comments (82)
1. Jamie said on 7/30/14 - 06:19AM
What controls are placed on noisy children and their behavior in the swimming pool
area? Are rules re: children enforced?
2. Fernando said on 7/30/14 - 07:09AM
The rules are selective and enforced by the manager "only if” you are on the list of
people he likes. There have been many times people have complained about these
issues and nothing was done. When his friends complain he jumps on the issue and
threatens you with evictions, penalties or lawsuits. Also, he has no limit and does
not check who is coming in with the people he knows. There have been complaints
about these unknown people that are visiting, damaging the exercise equipment and
disrupting the place and when you ask who they are they won’t tell you.
3. Tomas said on 7/30/14 - 07:53AM
What Fernando says is true. It all depends on who you are when it comes to getting
anything done. If you're not on the "special" list, you won't get any help. If the
manager doesn't like you, or if you question him, you will get bad treatment. Lately,
the pool and exercise rooms seem to be playgrounds for small children. Though
there are many security cameras in these areas, no guards or condo staff ever
comes to control the children.
4. Arnaud said on 8/6/14 - 07:48AM
I recently purchased a condo and I am astonished to find that many of the
apartments are rented out on holiday lets to some dubious looking people. I don't
see why I should be sharing the facilities for which I pay with holiday renters who
don't respect the place of follow the rules. Why is this allowed? Who is this
'Riverside Apartment' company exactly? Is it legal?
5. Jamie said on 8/6/14 - 04:39PM
I also would like to know who this Riverside Apartment rental company is and if they
are operating legally? Do they pay tax? Are they registered as a company and can
they be stopped from spoiling our building with their noisy and trashy short term
renters?
6. Response to Arnaud and Jamie’s posts! said on 8/6/14 - 07:00PM
We are gathering the necessary information for you and will post a response to your
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posts soon. but then, this is an open forum and someone else may beat us to it.
7. Malee said on 8/6/14 - 08:21PM
At an annual general meeting a few years ago, a co-owner told the committee
chairman that these short term "Holiday" rentals are not legal. Many owners said
they did not like the short term rentals. The committee chairman said he would look
into it and notify the co-owners. He never did make a notification. You can ask the
management office about this. Please let us know what, if any, answer they give
you. You can do an internet search for Bangkok Riverside to see more about the
terms, prices, and contacts for the rentals. You might find some names and contact
information of co-owners who own or manage the rooms. Yes, the common areas
we pay for are being used by the high turnover of short term renters. They come
here, often as whole families with many children, to have fun and make the most of
the facilities. Unlike co-owners, they don't treat the condo as a home.
8. The Admin said on 8/7/14 - 05:40AM
The owner is a fellow named "Armando" and two other fellows named "Geoff" and
"Sombat". You can see this info posted at this link on Trip Advisor
http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUserReviews-g293916-d1649473-r216174995TheRiverSideBangkok-Bangkok.html There ALL good friends with the manager and
are also current or former condo committee members at BSC., The manager has
always covered for them stating their out of the country, or he knows nothing about
them when people look for them. We have learned that they were recently served
with subpoenas to show in court for another case involving BSC and the manager
that the District attorney is reviewing to prosecute the manager and committee for
related to knowingly breaking the law and allow the illegal shelter in the garage area.
9. Jamie said on 8/7/14 - 05:46AM
Are there any lawyers amongst us who can find out about the legality of these
holiday rentals? Also can it not be tabled for an AGM and some straight answers
got. This outfit seems to be run by some English guy and I am told he makes plenty
of money charging owners 25% commission on rental, then laundry, cleaning and
other expenses. The owner who told me was complaining about the cost. A long
term rental is fine but should any resident be making money with this short term stuff
that spoils the value of the building! Thoughts anyone?
10. Nok said on 8/7/14 - 06:44AM
The man and woman running this Riverside Apartments in OUR building are called
Jonathan and Diamond - an old bald guy with glasses. Wonder if he has a resident
visa.
11. The Admin said on 8/7/14 - 06:49AM
When you go to our main page www.baansathornchaophrayacondominiums.com
scroll down to the "The Riverside Bangkok / Trip Advisor" section and click on the
"Here" link where we state "Should RBA have it deleted, we saved it, along with
some Trip Advisor negative reviews. Click HERE to view them." We posted the Trip
Advisor pages that show the manager "Mr. Geoff's" apology and response to a client
who complained about their stay in their unit.
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12. Jamie said on 8/7/14 - 06:50AM
Thanks admin for info checked on trip advisor and the fellow running the company
and renting out all these apartments for a high commission calls himself Jeff
Watkins, can anyone enlighten on how to get rid of him and his apartment rental
scam???? Seriously, I am so sick of these short termers hogging the pool area and
gym I am looking at selling out.
13. Paul said on 8/7/14 - 08:06AM
Good luck on getting any answers at an AGM. Those meetings are held in Thai only
now and even if you could get to ask them a question, the answer would be I don't
know or we will get back with you (which will never happen). Several owners
couldn't stand this situation and sold at a loss just to get away from it. I think owners
really only have two options at this point: band together as a group to demand action
or take legal action.
14. Former owner, who got smart, sold & got out! said on 8/7/14 - 08:07AM
Make sure to read the "Let’s Face It" review by "kastrullhaxan's Bangkok, Thailand"
on the Trip Advisor site the Admin posted! The River Side Bangkok 931
Charoennakorn Road 2 of 5 stars Posted Jul 6, 2014 "Let’s face it" This is not a
luxury living. at least not in the Lily apartment now called Ortensia witch I stayed in. I
got 25% discount on the renting price since I stayed a whole month and it looked
like a good deal, But since I had to pay the electricity myself it soon turned out to be
very bad. Electricity is very expensive in Thailand and the budget for it estimated by
the management was so low that it was ridiculous. The air-condition in the flat was
very noisy and placed so you had to cool down the whole flat instead of at night only
cool down the bedroom area. I asked for and got a portable fan that helped it up a
bit. So I didn´t have to pay my whole vacation budget on electricity. Overall, the
building was quite run down, the nice posh lobby was not air-conditioned and
impossible to spend time in. The bed was rock hard. The positive thing was the nice
pool that closed to early though and the boat that took in-house guest promptly over
the river, For long stay that is far better options to stay. I guess this explains why the
owners are always being protected by the manager and always hiding....ha ha!
15. Former Owner said on 8/7/14 - 08:11AM
Be sure to read the "Let’s Face It" review by "kastrullhaxan's Bangkok, Thailand" on
Trip Advisor the Admin posted. At this link... http://www.tripadvisor.com/memberscitypage/kastrullhaxan/g293916 Guess that explains why their always hiding &
management covers for them...ha ha!
16. Jamie said on 8/7/14 - 04:18PM
Thx 'former owner' read it and sums it up generously. Seriously, is anyone out there
interested in banding together to get a lawyer to deal with this Watkins guy and this
holiday rental rubbish. Does it state anywhere in ownership documents about not
using residential apartments for holiday lets - some seem only 2-3 nights - or as
offices? It is a security issue as much as anything and spoils the enjoyment of
genuine owners
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17. The Admin - Reply to Jamie said on 8/8/14 - 03:04AM
Your proposal of "anyone out there interested in banding together to get a lawyer to
deal with this Watkins guy and this holiday rental rubbish" (hopefully &/or BSC
management also) is EXCELLENT! Should you be able to rally more owners that
would want to get involved and band together and deal with these issues, PLEASE
let us know? We are willing to lend our support but feel it will take a strong show of
numbers to be effective. At least a minimum of 15 people. This is one reason we
have set up this site to inform people of what really goes on at BSC show that if they
keep ignoring these issues things (have) and will continue to get worse!
18. Nok said on 8/8/14 - 03:35AM
I am following this with some interest BUT this Brit guy has NINETEEN Apartments
in our block listed on his website for holiday rentals. This is outrageous! All those
owners will vote against anything we try to do.
19. Reply to Nok said on 8/8/14 - 04:18AM
The owners votes, who's units The Riverside Bangkok partners with to rent out for
them does not matter in a lawsuit especially if the owners are involved with an illegal
operation. The Riverside Bangkok does not own most of those units they advertise.
20. Malee said on 8/8/14 - 08:01PM
For Jamie and others who are concerned about the rentals, I am glad more people
are speaking up about this. I too am concerned. I know a property lawyer and I will
ask him about these rentals. Monday and Tuesday are holidays, so please keep
checking back as it may take a week or so to get an answer. In the meantime, try to
find more owners who would be willing to stand up.
21. Jamie said on 8/9/14 - 09:19PM
Thank you Malee... see what you can find out - I am shocked this cowboy outfit is
running NINETEEN apartments out of a private block.
22. The Admin said on 8/10/14 - 09:44AM
Thank you all for your comments. And thanks to Malee for checking into these
issues with your lawyer that can assist all the others here that are asking questions
and are deeply concerned. We also have a few options we can present that would
be beneficial to all seeking to correct issues at BSC but will hold off for now and
offer them when the time is right. We are here to serve and help protect your
investments and to keep people that are unaware of the issues at BSC so they won’t
get "Ripped Off!"
23. The Admin: Update! said on 8/12/14 - 06:19AM
We have now reached the No 1 position on all major search engines!
24. Dave said on 8/14/14 - 04:04AM
Any word back on the legal situation?
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25. Malee said on 8/14/14 - 06:22PM
According to the Thai Condominium Act: "Section 17/1 In the case where a space in
the condominium is set aside as a place to carry out the business, the system on
entering and exiting such area shall be specifically set up in order to prevent the
disturbance on the peaceful enjoyment of the joint owners. No person shall be
permitted to engage in any trade transactions in the condominium except it is a
trade transaction in the area of the condominium designated in accordance with
paragraph one." So, the owners can't be disturbed and there must be a separate
entrance for commercial activities. I don't think this is happening.
26. Tony said on 8/15/14 - 06:37AM
Thank you for all the information you all put on these Blogs and I feel sorry for you.
My job has brought me here and I'm planning to retire in Thailand eventually but
after doing some more checking for properties I have decided to stay away from
buying in these condos as they have way too much trouble. I was referred to and
have taken a place to rent close to BSC called Supakarn Condominium after I spoke
to their people and saw the building that is run much better with less issues. I wish
you all good luck with correcting all your problems.
27. Pan said on 8/15/14 - 09:08PM
So this means that Riverside Bangkok's office on the 20th floor (?) is illegal! And
their cleaners, customers, etc. should be using a separate entrance. How many
other offices are operated out of the apartments? Also note to Tony: there are
holiday rental in Supakarn as well.
28. Malee said on 8/19/14 - 06:15PM
If several of us are really serious about this rental issue, we need to hire a lawyer in
order to get action. This will take time and money. The more people who are willing
to join will make our case stronger and will reduce the amount each one of us has to
pay. If we get enough people, we can meet and go from there. Please use this blog
to let me know.
29. The Admin: said on 8/24/14 - 01:03PM
The following three (3) comments were transferred to this forum from a forum we
have deleted.
30. 1. Lavania said on 8/1/14 - 07:09AM said on 8/24/14 - 01:05PM
I am form India and want to be anonymous because I still have friends stay there but
I want to say I rent a condo in the place a few years ago. One day I want to use the
room downstairs to have a small party for my child and the management would not
let me do it. I asked why and they never will give me a reason. I understood that as
long as you pay a deposit for cleanup and too use of the room you could use it but I
feel they discriminated against me for why reason I do not know and they never tell
me. I will NEVER go back to this place after I see how many problems they have all
the time.
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31. 2. Yan - From Norway said on 8/9/14 - 08:55AM said on 8/24/14 - 01:06PM
I am a potential investor searching in Thailand but came across this site and am
now following these forums and thank for the information. I think the Admin is
correct. When you search the Trip Advisor you find few complaints about This
Riverside Bangkok and these condos. But when you take time to do a broad internet
search you find many complaints that were previously posted and removed or that
maybe have expired.
32. 3. A former Owner said on 8/10/14 - 01:00AM said on 8/24/14 - 01:07PM
Because I have two condos in BKK I tried the Riverside holiday rental with Johnny
Watkins and crew. The guy is a cheat. He takes 25% commission on gross costs,
and then gets a cut from using expensive laundry (5th floor) and cleaning services.
He was impossible to deal with and came on like a tin pot dictator. Very
unprofessional. I sold up. I liked the building itself and it is good value for money if
the management could be sorted out.
33. Justin said on 8/29/14 - 06:21AM
I saw a condo advertised on Thai Visa and after doing an internet search (which is
what brought me to your site) I am wondering, if there are so many problems at the
condo why haven't the owners gotten rid of the management yet? In my country
they would have been put in jail long ago for some of the things I have read posted
on your site.
34. A Current Owner said on 8/29/14 - 05:59PM
Your question is a good one. The first answer is that things do not work here as they
do in your country. I will let that statement stand by itself and you can read into what
you will. Now, concerning the owners. Many of them live abroad or live elsewhere in
Thailand. They bought their rooms as investments, to rent (which they're having a
hard time doing) or to sell at a later date when they think the prices will increase.
Since they don't live at the condo, they don't really know what is going on. Other
owners who did live at the condo have sold at a loss or moved elsewhere because
they couldn't stand it. Many of those who still live at the condo just don't want to get
involved or are afraid of the impacts of getting involved. Strength comes in numbers
and a small group has a very difficult time.
35. Potential Buyer said on 8/30/14 - 06:50AM
I'm interested in buying a condo and I visited Baan Sathorn Chao Phraya to look at
a few rooms. I made up my mind not to buy when I entered the lift in the lobby.
There were several signs posted in the lift. One had pictures and told residents not
to hang clothing from the windows. One told owners not to take parking spaces that
didn't belong to them. Another told owners to sign for the common pushcarts
because people were using them and not returning them. What kind of people live in
this place?
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36. Fernando response to "Potential Buyer" said on 9/2/14 - 04:40AM
It's my belief that the JM is intentionally trying to get rid of all the foreigners and
keep the building "Thai Only" as the Thai's won’t fight back. I also think they
intentionally keep the building at only 48% occupied so foreigners won't come in and
tip the balance of voting power. In this way the management can continue to keep
ransacking the condo funds. You all watch and see, in time this building will
eventually turn into another of the hundreds of buildings in Bangkok that accumulate
dirt and smut on the outer walls, clothes hanging out all the windows and balconies,
develop cracked walls and structure (as are already developing) and just turn into a
slum building while this management remains here. When it does the JM will take
the money and run to hide in Cambodia!
37. BSC Co-Owner said on 9/13/14 - 12:09AM
Hi Admin, thanks for posting the info about Asset Bright. I read about the company's
background and found it very interesting. A year ago, before they changed their
company name, they were losing money making men's socks. This year they are in
real estate and are buying and selling rooms at our condo and another one. Their
plan for next year is to be in E-business. Does that sound kooky to you? Oh yeah,
their address is the same as the building developers who we sued 7 years ago. Is
there a connection between the two?
38. Eric said on 9/13/14 - 06:18AM
Yea, the connection is that they are both NUTS! And your condo people are MORE
NUTS for putting up with all that crap, ha ha!
39. Owner said on 9/22/14 - 08:04AM
The short term rentals are very polarizing. The owners who rent their properties
together with the website owners are clearly very happy. The manager of the
building allows and facilitates the rentals despite the legality of the business being
highly dubious, he is clearly supported and encouraged to do this by those who
benefit most. The group who opposes the manager and the rental agency are
vociferous and prone to exaggeration and misrepresentation of facts. Neither side is
without fault but the animosity and I'll feeling that has now developed has consumed
and decimated the previous sense of harmony and neighborliness. Property prices
have been negatively impacted and each group must accept some responsibility for
this. The solution would be compromise and acceptance by each group, meaning a
reduced or limited rental agency in return for an end to hostilities. This is however
very unlikely.
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40. Concerned Owner said on 9/22/14 - 09:35AM
I don't understand the purpose of your post. You say that the legality of the shortterm rentals is highly dubious. If those rentals are illegal, they should not be allowed.
Breaking the law leaves all owners open to penalties. Why do the committee and
juristic manager allow them to continue? Further, the condo owners are entitled to a
place they call home. Having a revolving door of short-term renters on holiday who
are using the condo as resort disturbs the peace. More than this, the disagreement
over the short-term rentals is not the only cause of animosity in the building. It is the
fault of the juristic person and committee members who fail to address the concerns
of any owners who disagree with them. This includes, but also goes far beyond just
the short-term rentals. Finally, what is your solution for bringing the two sides
together?
41. Owner said on 9/23/14 - 07:53AM
Short term rentals may not be illegal and clarity would be a good first step. If
deemed categorically illegal then clearly they should stop but the law seems
somewhat opaque and vague so different interpretations are not surprising, the
manager has presumably interpreted the law in their favor. It is correct that there are
other divisive issues in this building which have been fermented by the abrasive
behavior from a small minority of predominantly western owners; this has resulted in
a litigious and vindictive atmosphere that benefits no-one. There is no easy solution
but legal clarity on short term rentals would be a start followed by civility, decency
and understanding from the abrasive contingent - this may just result in a more
cooperative and helpful environment for all.
42. Concerned Owner said on 9/23/14 - 01:25PM
I agree with the previous writer, #41, who says that a legal decision about the shortterm rentals would be a good first step. So, why doesn't the committee engage a
reputable law firm to provide written guidance about this? The law firm's decision, in
writing and on their letterhead, could then be posted in the lobby and a copy be
made available to all co-owners. An interpretation about the short-term rentals from
the juristic manager carries no weight. He recently admitted his guilt in court for
KNOWINGLY misusing common area at the condo. He was given a fine and is on
probation for a jail term. Would you seriously trust him to make a legal judgment? A
group of co-owners has brought up the question about short-term rentals and about
other issues which are important. Rather than get answers or discussion, they get
accused of things like "abrasive behaviour." It is important to note that several
committee members and the juristic person were the first ones to file legal actions
against co-owners, not the other way around. Why didn't they try discussion first? I
find it disturbing that writer #41 discriminates against "western owners." Don't all
owners deserve the same rights? So yes, let's get past the vindictive atmosphere by
starting with an objective ruling about the short term rentals, followed by open
discussion sessions where the committee members are available to answer
questions from the co-owners.
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43. Long Term Owner said on 9/25/14 - 06:49AM
I agree with postings about checking the legality of short term rentals. I have an
apartment that I keep as an Asian base and stay in several times a year. When I am
in residence, I do object to the peace and tranquility being disturbed by families with
noisy kids who are holiday renters or foreign men and their local bar girls. They
show no respect for the facilities such as the gym and pool area. I had no idea that
there were so many short term rentals when I purchased the apartment. It certainly
decreases the value of the building. Time it was stopped.
44. Angelo said on 10/2/14 - 07:31PM
Hi Admin, I saw the Fax Transmission Verification receipt you sent to Asset Bright
and no offence to you but do you really think you will get a response from a bunch of
criminals? Good Luck!
45. The Admin said on 10/4/14 - 04:36AM
Angelo, on 10/4/14 We received a reply from Asset Bright and will update the info on
that page upon completing further correspondence with them. PS: We are not
implying or sure if they are criminals, they may have been duped like many others
by the management but we are seeking answers that would clear them of violating
the Thai Condominium Act and any wrong doing that effects the co-owners.
46. Frustrated said on 10/6/14 - 04:12PM
These holiday rentals that have been a thorn in the side to many residents and are
devaluing sales of our unit need to be sorted out. It is quite simple: either they are
illegal or not! What about Riverside running an office out of a unit - is that also legal
in a residential block? Yes or no???
47. Theotokis said on 10/7/14 - 07:11AM
I agree with "43.Long Term Owner" post. Owners CANT relax here anymore! A
couple of times I walked into the men's steam room to find The Riverside Bangkok's
"drunk foreign men renters" with one & at times two bar girls talking loud, giggling
and horse playing and the management and POOR EXCUSE FOR SECURITY
didn't do anything about it! THESE PEOPLE AND CROOKED RENTAL
OPERATION HAVE GOT TO GO!!
48. Co-Owner said on 10/9/14 - 04:29AM
Many people are upset about the short-term rentals (and other problems at this
condo). The truth is that there are only 2 things that are going to make the
management and committee do something about them. The first is legal action
against the management and committee to force them to do something. The second
is for co-owners to stand up. They have to go to the office in large numbers and
complain, and keep complaining. If the co-owners banded together in a group it
would have an even greater impact. Until either of those happens I doubt anything
will change at BSC,
49. Frustrated said on 11/1/14 - 09:00PM
Once again, are these short term rentals and the office running them from our
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building legal or not?
50. Co-Owner said on 11/2/14 - 05:34PM
I've sent an email to another lawyer to ask about the legality. It will probably take a
few days to get an answer, so I'll let you know then.
51. Co-Owner said on 11/9/14 - 08:55PM
I still have not received a reply from the lawyer. I have sent another email. In the
meantime, I suggest you also contact a lawyer with experience in condo law to find
the answer.
52. Buyer said on 11/10/14 - 03:14AM
For those thinking of buying .... It is a great place to live. Most foreigners who live in
this building are happy and content with the building, management and life. This site
is managed by 2 or 3 disgruntled American owners who've shot themselves in the
foot. There is nothing wrong with the building. Short-term rental is a fact of life in
condominiums; as an owner I could rent to who I wish (I don't, but I could). The
clientele of Riverside Apartments are mostly elderly retired people who cause no
problems at all. Most "comments" on this site are as fabricated as the ones on
TripAdvisor. I'd be surprised if this comment actually appears!!
53. Owner said on 11/10/14 - 03:21AM
You ask "What good is a nice room or a good price if you don't have peace of mind
or aren't happy where you live?" Do what most people do when they're not happy;
MOVE!
54. The Admin said on 11/10/14 - 03:31PM
Reply to # 52 Buyer post & # 53 Owner post - We thank you for your comments and
want to assure you that we have no intention of removing it/them. You are entitled to
your opinion. This Blog has been setup for people to post their opinions (negative or
positive) and assist others seeking info. We do have the option of reviewing posts
prior to removing them if they are obscene. Also we have to disagree with your
comment and say that most foreigners who live in the building that have contacted
us are not happy or content with the building, it's management and life under their
rule. As for the # 53 Owner post - you are absolutely correct about moving if one
wishes to do so, and A LOT OF PEOPLE have done just that due to all the problems
at BSC. Unfortunately some are in a position where they cannot afford and do not
wish to take a loss on their units (like some have done) and have decided to stay
and fight for their rights and refuse to be pushed around by a management and
puppet committee that continually break the Thai Condo Rules and Regulations,
don't treat owners equally and fairly, and continually disregard and ignore the laws
and court rulings they were ordered to comply with! We also want to reiterate that
we don't know or control who the people are that post their opinions on this Blog.
The system is only set up to allow a person posting a comment to remain
anonymous or open to the public...it's their choice. We have no way of knowing who
they really are. Lastly, we want to point out that all the videos, documents (and when
required, their sources) on our site are reviewed, examined, scrutinized and
VERIFIED prior to being posted. We backup the info on our site with EVIDANCE! If
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anyone can present VERIFIED and DOCUMENTED evidence that can dispute what
is posted on our site, please feel free to send it in to us for review. Anything
submitted to us would be subject to careful examination and scrutiny, (vetting)
especially when this involves determining suitability for something to be posted on
our site and may require someone to revel their identity or source to us for
verification purposes. Of course identities are protected, and as you can see on our
site have never been revealed to anyone by us! The Admin
55. Co-Owner said on 11/10/14 - 07:11PM
For the Buyer who is happy living at BSC, take a look at the maintenance
certificates in the elevators. They all expired several MONTHS ago! This is not the
first time the management has let this happen. Take a look at the floor in the room
next to the weight room. The floor has been rotting away for over 6 months. That
same floor was replaced just a few years ago. What's the problem? Let me know if
you're still happy next time you go in the elevator and press the button to go up to
your room.
56. Aussie Mick said on 11/11/14 - 04:31AM
That bloke # 52 forgot to add that the people he claims are happy there are probably
renters with no money invested in the place and could care less about what
happens with the management or Riverside Apts. He says there is nothing wrong
with the building? What about the maintenance certificates in the elevators & floor in
the room next to the weight room #55 posted and all the evidence Admin has on the
site? #52 & #53 must be blind, people desperate to get out but can’t get any buyers
or their friends with the management and cant any longer "rip off" people due to the
news that has spread about this place.
57. Frode said on 11/14/14 - 05:41PM
All this information seems to me like the manager must be the little "Chao pho" of
his area. These types of people are often involved in some legitimate businesses
and friends with powerful bureaucrats. He would need lots of connections with them
and police to keep him out of jail for so long.
58. Frode said on 11/14/14 - 05:58PM
Correction, I wanted to write He would need lots of connections with them and police
"ON HIS PAYROLL" to keep him out of jail for so long.
59. Fernando said on 11/18/14 - 05:34AM
Frode, I think you mean "ON HIS PAYROLL" funded with the condo co-owners
money they siphon off.
60. looking for a condo near Chaophraya said on 11/20/14 - 03:26AM
thanks for this blog i am looking to buy a condo near the river Thanks for your
website and good luck to resolved all problems
61. Co-Owner said on 11/20/14 - 09:55AM
If you're the juristic manager or building manager at BSC and co-owners ask you
why the elevator maintenance certificates have expired, what do you do? He has
taken all the maintenance certificates out of the elevators!! Now there's just an
empty plastic case where the certificates should be. No more certificates, no more
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expired dates, no problems!
62. The Admin said on 11/20/14 - 11:46AM
Your options are to report this as a group to the proper authorities and get together
as a group of owners to force him to correct this issue....Or the only other option you
have is to do nothing and wait until someone is injured or killed (hopefully not a
loved one of yours) and hope the proper authorities will do something.
63. JM said on 11/23/14 - 10:43PM
I understand the nursery was approved at the AGM on the wishes of the owners?
For those with children it's a nice addition. The lifts are certified; the certificates have
not been received. Why don't you share the news about the recent court case you
lost against the JM?
64. The Admin said on 11/24/14 - 06:06AM
If you are the BSC JM we are honored to have you respond to these posts and
reach out to us. If not the BSC JM we apologize but will address these issues as if
you are the BSC JM. The ONLY reason the BSC JM would have to contact us
directly would be because our website is working. And since you underestimated our
site and have NO CONTROL over us, people are likely putting pressure on you
because of the information we provide them with, to correct issues at BSC. Is it
possible that you now are in fear of losing control over the owners and feel it slipping
away. As JM you should KNOW & not UNDERSTAND if the nursery was approved.
We are awaiting verification that the nursery was ever even proposed at the AGM as
our sources/owners who attended the AGM say it was not. You are welcome to
submit verification so we can update that page with the necessary corrections. It's
nice to know the lifts have now been corrected according to you but why did you let
them expire for several months and take action ONLY when we posted this issue on
our website? Please explain, Many owners are awaiting you reply and reasons for
ignoring their safety for so long. Once you send us copies of the new certificates and
the name and contact info of the properly licensed reputable company that has
examined the lifts we will post the info on that page and make the necessary
corrections. Our sources/owners whom still live at BSC claim that no one has seen
anybody working on the lifts/elevators. Lastly, please clarify which court case you
are referring to. We also have been informed today 11/24/2014 that a recent court
case that the JM (you) filed against someone was overturned by the court to the
favor of the person that was sued by you and when the JM (you) appealed that
decision it was thrown out and not even heard by the court. Again to the favor of the
person that was sued. Please send us the info of the case you are referring to and
we will present it. Thank you, from The Admin.
65. Co-Owner said on 11/24/14 - 09:03AM
To JM, #63, here are the FACTS, with proof. - Your "understanding" that the nursery
was approved at the last AGM is incorrect. It is shown in the AGM booklet under the
Repair and Maintenance Budget for 2014. The details are: Purchasing of Toys and
Decoration for Play Room (200,000 baht) and Installation of Air Conditioner at Play
Room (75,000 baht). While the play room may be nice for the few families with preschool children and for the short-term renters, I think most co-owners would rather
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see 275,000 baht of our budget spent on something that would benefit all of us. How do you know the lifts are certified if there are no certificates? Does it really take
3 months to get new certificates? Why were the old ones removed? - I will be happy
to talk about the recent court case that the JM and a former committee member
LOST. Their case, against a co-owner for making false testimony, was not accepted
by the first court. They appealed and the second court also agreed not to accept the
case. The case numbers are Black 153/2557 and Red 1436/2557. Please go to the
Thonburi Court and see for yourself, then spread the word among your fellow coowners. If you have any proof to counter what I've said, please send it in to this blog.
66. Tony said on 11/27/14 - 04:16AM
I went out and priced similar floor mats, play toy and A/C unit (with installation) for
the nursery that were recently installed. I found HIGH prices range for the floor mats
& play toy @ $15,000 Baht and for the A/C unit with installation at around $40,000
Baht. Was the old A/C even replaced. I could be wrong but it looks like the same
one that's been there for years and seems to be working. So my point is what
happened to the $220,000.00 balance of the money they want for the Maintenance
Budget? Also, when are they ever going to get around to fixing the 2nd A/C in the
library/business center room on the 5th floor that's been not working now for at least
6 years.
67. Disgusted Owner said on 11/30/14 - 04:23AM
I find the cost of the nursery - that benefits very few - and of course, will benefit and
encourage short term holiday rentals from families, to be totally outrageous. I was
not at the meeting and would certainly not have approved it! What a waste of
money.
68. Co-Owner said on 12/17/14 - 08:57AM
Update #1 to Blog entry 63: It appears the old air conditioner is still operational and
in place in the nursery room. Why is there a budget of 75,000 baht for a new one?
The floor matting and toys in the nursery don't look like they would cost more than
30,000 baht. Why is there a budget of 200,000 baht to pay for them? The plan for
the nursery was included in the last AGM booklet, but it was neither approved nor
voted upon by the co-owners.
69. Co-Owner said on 12/17/14 - 09:08AM
Update #2 to Blog entry 63. The blog entry states that the lifts are certified, but the
certificates have not been received. That entry was made on 24 November, over 3
weeks ago. The old maintenance certificates for the lifts expired 4 MONTHS ago.
There are still no maintenance certificates in the lifts. Where are you getting your
information from and are we supposed to believe it with no proof? Do you still
believe it takes 4 months for replacement certificates?
70. Jamie said on 12/31/14 - 04:33AM
Yes, it is the short term renter hell again. There they are, the only time some of us
have off to enjoy the pool and gym, and the loud, noisy families with uncontrollable
kids take over the poolside with no regard for anyone else. There is one pushy
couple who run down and grabbed loungers, place towels to reserve them as if they
are in a resort hotel. Then they come down ages later with their wild brats - one of
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whom urinated in the pool. Another European boy of 9 - 10 years old was running
round with no swimming togs on - naked! As an owner, I strongly object to these
people and this behavior! I think it is totally wrong that Jolly or whatever his name is
runs a rental business out of a private residence!
71. Voter said on 2/9/15 - 07:52AM
If you can't make the effort to come to the AGM then I don't think you have the right
to complain? Disgusted Owner said on 11/30/14 - 04:23AM I find the cost of the
nursery - that benefits very few - and of course, will benefit and encourage short
term holiday rentals from families, to be totally outrageous. I was not at the meeting
and would certainly not have approved it! What a waste of money.
72. Jamie said on 2/12/15 - 03:00AM
In response to post 70. They are owners, not renters and hence have as much right
as you (assuming you're an owner.
73. Co-Owner said on 2/17/15 - 09:58PM
Yes, all co-owners have the same rights and they should protect those rights by
going to the AGM and voting. Further, co-owners need to respect the rights of each
other by behaving properly, listening to each other, having courtesy. Even if you do
go to the AGM, it's important to review the booklet given out very carefully. Not
everything in the booklet is discussed at the meeting. That's how things like 275,000
baht in fine print for a nursery get approved. When co-owners question some
expenses or projects they didn't know about, the juristic manager waves the AGM
booklet as proof that the projects were "approved".
74. Renter No More said on 3/7/15 - 10:54AM
I've been renting here for about a year but I won't be renewing my rental contract.
I've lived in several condos in Bangkok and I like this one the least. I can see the
new paint job peeling outside my window. Mostly this is just the coldest place I've
lived. Most people here aren't very friendly and the workers in the lobby office aren't
helpful.
75. Owner100 said on 4/20/15 - 07:04AM
In response to comment 72: The trash we often find around the pool are NOT owner
- they are short-term holiday renters who violate the rights of and disturb the
enjoyment of actual owners such as myself! Perhaps you are one of the obnoxious
renters.
76. old-timer said on 5/10/15 - 03:55AM
I have been reliably informed that the British owner of the Riverside Bangkok
Company now resides in the UK and the company is run out of our building by his
Thai staff. There are also more apartments added... why is this allowed to continue!!
77. Fernando said on 5/10/15 - 01:47PM
I heard that he, along with a Thai guy named Sam, other committee members and
the JM were served papers and are being sued for the "Homeless Shelter" they
allowed to be built in our garage illegally. Looks like he scammed out and is in hiding
so they won't throw his punk ass in jail.
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78. Farang said on 6/28/15 - 02:53AM
Seriously does no-one actually care about bylaws being broken with offices run out
of condos and all the other stuff I have been reading about. How many condos are
actually for sale right now? Does anyone know?
79. The Admin said on 6/28/15 - 06:58PM
According to Hipflat currently 65 units are available for sale and 80 units are
available for rent. If the building was managed properly there wouldn't be more than
5 or less units available for sale or rent at any given time and there would be a 6
month waiting period for people wishing to acquire a unit.
80. Farang said on 7/5/15 - 05:35AM
Thank you for the info... it is quite concerning when there are a number of new
condos blocks being built along the river that will be more desirable than BSC!
Suggestions???
81. Wild Willy said on 7/5/15 - 06:01AM
Suggestion is let us get rid of the current manager, his management crew, condo
committee and employees so we can quit being "Ripped Off" by them. Hire all new
people, elect honest officials and re-organize the place for the better!
82. Owner said on 7/5/15 - 11:12AM
It is going to be more difficult to sell our rooms as more new condos go up,
especially ones next to the skytrain. It's human nature that people will want
something new instead of a condo which is even 10 years old. Our condo needs to
be special in order to attract lots of buyers. That starts with a management office
that's friendly, open and responsive to owners.
84. The Admin said on 7/13/15 - 08:53AM
Why, go to our News Blasts page and click on the "DANGER - WARNING! Elevator
certificates expired MONTHS ago!" article we wrote about months ago. It will help
answer your questions.
Do your Homework...
And research this complex before you decide to buy or
rent any units here!
As we stated before the ONLY TIME to deal safely with
this complex is when the current management and condo
committee are replaced!
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This is "Teflon Peng" the Juristic Manager
He is slicker than wet Diarrhea! So remember his face and "NEVER TRUST" a word
that comes out of his mouth! He has broken and ignored "MANY" rules & judgments as
set forth by the Thai Court system and Thai Condominium Acts you can view HERE and
HERE.
THE JURISTIC MANAGER CRIMINAL
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These Back Ground checks below prove that he never had any experience in managing
a condo prior to coming to the complex as is required by Thai condo laws. How, why
and by whom was he brought in to manage this building? He has been arrested, put in
jail and has had many lawsuits brought against him.
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Of course he keeps appealing the cases as he has access to the condos funds to post
bail and drag out the court system for years. This complex will only be worth investing in
once he and his puppet condo committee are replaced with honest dependable people.
He and his puppet condo committee pull every trick in the book breaking condo
regulations & Thai laws to remain in power and retain control of the complex and of
course "the condo funds"! They intimidate, threaten, and harass anyone that speaks out
against them and will illegally use the condo funds to sue you. They do absolutely
nothing for you once they get your money if you are not on their side!
Court Case Overviews
BSC Juristic Manager Loses
2 cases in Court -- AGAIN!
Yes, the BSC condo Juristic Manager
Phannarong Wongjida (Mr. Peng)
AKA "The Crook" "The Penguin" "Teflon Peng"
has lost in court -- again!
This is at least the third time he has frivolously sued co-owners
that expose the truth, claiming they make false statements against him
and he again wasted co-owners money trying to defend his
CHEATING, LIES and CRIMINAL activities at BSC. He has lost in
court every time and he has also lost the appeals he has filed. This is
a SICK, WORTHLESS human being. We wonder if he was raised by
two headed SNAKES! Isn't it his job to support co-owners, to listen to
what they have to say and help them? Is this how you want him to
spend his time AND YOUR MONEY?
Click HERE to read more!
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Juristic Manager Placed In Handcuffs-Goes to Holding
Cell Until Bail Posted on 2/26/2013
Court Case Overviews
The Baan Sathorn Chaophraya (BSC) Juristic Person, Mr. Phannarong Wongjida (Mr.
Peng), was placed in handcuffs and arrested for the crime of BEARING FALSE
WITNESS TO A FORGERY ON A WILL! The judge ordered he be placed in handcuffs,
was sentenced to 5 years in jail and was taken to the courthouse holding cell until he
could post bail. He still has the right to appeal.
FOR MORE INFO CONTACT the Chonburi Courthouse for the black case number
4378/2554
This case pertained to the Juristic Manager, his friend (the former attorney for BSC) and
a girlfriend of a condo owner who died. According to the lawsuit, they created a false
Last Will and Testament that claimed the deceased left his condo to the girlfriend. Hand
writing experts and witnesses explained that the handwriting & signatures on the LW &T
were FAKE! The family of the deceased whom are the rightful heirs filed the lawsuit. It is
currently ongoing.
This court document if proof of his and his attorneys' guilt
Why would anyone want to live or rent in a place where the manager, co-owners
in cahoots with them, the condo committee & his crooked attorney would try to
steal your property from your rightful heirs?
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Executive Bios
Juristic Person, Mr. Phannarong Wongjida (Mr. Peng) AKA "The
Crook" "The Penguin"
"Teflon Peng"
Caught in action entering his room in the "Illegal garage structure" (VIDEO) that we
believe was built using money from the condo funds without the owners vote or
approval. It has now been over 3 years that the amount of more than $2 Million Thai
Baht has been unaccounted for and he has NEVER explained to the co-owners, upon
many repeated requests where it has gone.
Could it have gone in his pocket?
We are still waiting for an answer!
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Q & A Emails
Email 3/26/2014 11:13 AM
From: (Identity Protected)
Sent: 3/26/2014 11:13 AM
To: adman@baansathornchaophrayacondominiums.com
Subject: Juristic Manager Placed In Handcuffs-Goes To Holding Cell until Bail Posted
on 2/26/2013
I sold my condo just at the same price, but it seemed that was impossible with 90 units
unsold and many other problems, as renting as hotel, and
all this people living in garage.
So friend thank you for your help and I call him tomorrow because I just arrived from
Office
Best regards and thanks for to inform people!
From: (Identity Protected)
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 11:54 AM
To: admin@baansathornchaophrayacondominiums.com
Subject: Question about the painting job
Hello,
I have carefully read your site, which is very informative and useful.
(Caption Protected)
The lack of honesty of the management is not good news, but I'm even more worried
about what happened to the outside aluminum panels.
So I'd like to have your views about the painting/repair job that is ongoing. Do you know
what they are doing exactly (just applying paint, or applying a special coating first, and
then paint,...) ?
Did they scrap the old coating/paint properly before applying the new one?
Is this good looking?
Do you think that it will last longer than the original coating?
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Please feel free also to mention any other critical issue about the building that I might
have to know (thanks to your site I already know about the illegal garage structure)
Thanks in advance for your feedback,
Best regards,
(Identity Protected)
Our reply about the paint job....
Hello (Identity Protected),
And thank for contacting us. Here are some answers for your questions:
- From what we were told is the original negotiation/proposal called for some type of
liquid to remove paint along with sandblasting – that contract was changed to scrape off
the old coating by hand, apply a primer and a top coat. One and a half months into the
job an area was noticed by some owners where rust had started forming through the
paint on an aluminum panel due to deep gouge’s made along with the general basic
scrape marks due to using those tools in that method with scrapers taking off the paint.
Other deep gouge’s were noticed on other panels along with the general basic scrape
marks due to using those tools in that method, but those were painted over and only
time will tell if and when the rust will form on those.
Our reply about the paint job....continued
- Also take into consideration that the paint job was started at the beginning of the rainy
season and the paint crews were noticed many times painting in the light rain and misty
conditions. Common sense should have told anyone with a brain that water more than
likely would become trapped under the paint due to working in those rainy conditions,
form bubbles under the paint that will eventually crack open and allow the elements to
get in under the paint as seen in the video on our site, and over a period of time could
form rust on the panels.
- All this is being done by hand scrapers and hand painting. The project is already 5
months behind schedule. The pool has been closed Monday-Friday during the day for
the past few months due to this work.
- Several owners have reported blisters and nicks in the "new" painting.
- The new paint has a guarantee of 7 years. It is possible the work will have to be done
again in 7 years, and every 7 years after that.
- All co-owners pay an annual common fee, which is supposed to be used for building
maintenance. The office collected a "special" fee in addition to the common fee for this
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painting job. They also collected a "special" fund several years ago for a different
maintenance project, which still is not complete. The common fee should be used for
building maintenance, so why are owners paying extra?
- There are several other condos, old and new, in the same area as Baan Sathorn
Chaophraya and the River which have river views and easy access to the skytrain.
- The juristic person and several committee members have filed multiple lawsuits
against some of the owners. Is this the best use of their time and funds?
- Foreigners are treated with disrespect and differently at the annual meetings now held
in Thai so they won’t understand anything.
- What good is a nice room or a good price if you don't have peace of mind or aren't
happy where you live?
We hope this information is helpful to you and feel free to pass it along to others you
may know.
If you wish to be removed from our mailing list respond to this email with the word
REMOVE in the subject line and we apologize if we have emailed you by mistake.
The Admin
Their reply.....
From: (Identity Protected)
Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2014 10:43 AM
To:
admin@baansathornchaophrayacondominiums.com
Subject: Re: Question about the painting job
Dear Admin,
Many thanks for this information. This is for sure quite worrying.
Best regards,
(Identity Protected)
Who can Post Feedback
Current and former owner/renter BSC complaints are welcome to be posted on
our site!
We backup the info on our site with EVIDENCE!
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If anyone can present VERIFIED and DOCUMENTED evidence that can dispute what is
posted on our site, please feel free to send it in to us for review. Anything submitted to
us would be subject to careful examination and scrutiny, (vetting) especially when this
involves determining suitability for something to be posted on our site and may require
someone to revel their identity or source to us for verification purposes. All voluntarily
submitted identities are protected and have never been nor will be revealed to anyone
by us!
We wish to thank all the concerned visitors who have sent us grateful emails for the
information we provide that helped them make an informed decision prior to selecting a
condo to rent or purchase in the Baan Sathorn Chaophraya Condominiums.
Since Feb 2014 when we launched this site the total combined views on these most
popular pages has reached approximately 28,753. We are 1st on Googles, MSN, BING
and YAHOO's search engines and are averaging 15 to 25 views per day or approx. 450
to 700 views per month & growing!
People are very interested in our Consumer Protection Site!
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To date, our visitors have come from the....
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Philippines, Indonesia, Argentina, Singapore, Portugal, Ecuador, Australia, Switzerland,
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and the United Arab Emirates.
We continue to grow and with your continual support by word of mouth, emails and
posts on other social sites, other people seeking a decent place to live in Thailand can
be protected from making a bad investment.
Hopefully and eventually the corrupt management and condo committee will be
removed and at that point we will restructure this website to reflect the new
management and committee and honest positive changes that can eventually take
place.
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Once that happens and the condo funds can be properly allocated towards the
upgrades and proper maintenance this complex needs rather than having a manager
that does not fully account for the funds, files frivolous lawsuits trying to intimidate
owners who battle him in court and keeps giving himself and others "special bonuses"
for incompetent work and decisions. This would become the very ideal place to invest in
but unfortunately...
not until the current management and committee are gone!
Thank you,
The Admin
Contact Us
If you are a co-owner at BSC and tired of the managements abuse, or a potential
buyer/renter seeking assistance feel free to send us your request or post for review.
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We will never divulge any of our sources. We promise to keep your identity
confidential.
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We will respond to legitimate requests and emails but will not waist any of our
time or effort responding to any ridiculous, hateful or negative emails!
Email us with questions you may have at....
admin@baansathornchaophrayacondominiums.com
admin@theriversidebangkokapartments.com
Thank You
We hope the information provided in this eBook will keep you
From Getting Ripped Off!
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