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%STOCHASTIC
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Topic author:rleite
Subject:%STOCHASTIC
Posted on:03/01/2005 21:46:27
Message:
Does anyone has access to the code for the %STOCHASTIC show me indicator posted by JDK some time ago ? I found the link but this seems to
be disabled. I am trying to get the same indicator as "www.scalpersoftware.com" to trade the e-mini.
Thanks
Replies:
Reply author:TradingDude
Replied on:03/02/2005 06:42:26
Message:
quote:
Originally posted by rleite
Does anyone has access to the code for the %STOCHASTIC show me indicator posted by JDK some time ago ? I found the link but
this seems to be disabled. I am trying to get the same indicator as "www.scalpersoftware.com" to trade the e-mini.
Thanks
Here you go....
Attachment:DATA/20050302064204F15628_%STOCHINDICATORS.ELD 4674 bytes
Reply author:rleite
Replied on:03/02/2005 11:41:55
Message:
Hi TradingDude
Unfortunately the link is still brocken, could you post the code in text format if you have it ?
Thanks
quote:
Originally posted by TradingDude
quote:
Originally posted by rleite
Does anyone has access to the code for the %STOCHASTIC show me indicator posted by JDK some time ago ? I found
the link but this seems to be disabled. I am trying to get the same indicator as "www.scalpersoftware.com" to trade the
e-mini.
Thanks
Here you go....
Attachment:DATA/20050302064204F15628_%STOCHINDICATORS.ELD 4674 bytes
Reply author:Trend39
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Replied on:03/02/2005 12:28:04
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rleite, that's the double stochastic I use:
Here is the ELD. I added a trigger to it that can be turned to false.
_Dstoch Trigger (renamed the indicator)
Attachment:DATA/20050302122707_DSTOCH TRIGGER.ELD 5201 bytes
With Trigger turned to True:
Basic set-up: 14 regular length, 7 for half cycle,
and add another one that is 3-4 times the regular length.
(7 length color is false , then turned to gray. Triggers
turned to false. Added horiztonal hand drawn line. Will
add 50 line when I get TS 8.1 )
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Reply author:traderdp
Replied on:03/02/2005 21:53:42
Message:
Trend39,
Thanks very much for the indicator. It seems to have great potential,BUT do to my general ignorance, I don't fully understand how to use it I guess I was sleeping in TA 101.Can you please explain how to best use it?
Thanks so much in advance for all your wonderful contributions to the forums.
traderdp
Replied on:03/02/2005 23:04:41
Message:
Trend39,
To follow up on my above question, how do I use the trigger?
Thanks again for all your help.
traderdp
Replied on:03/03/2005 00:10:18
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Purpose is to determine which stoch is mimicking price.
A weak half-cycle ? A full cycle? Or a 3x cycle?
When the 3x cycle is dragging bottom, the other cycles
will not have much "amplitude" on the upside. And just
the opposite,if the 3x cycle is hanging top price won't have much amplitude down as the smaller cycles gyrate.
They measure cycle lengths most common being Wilder's 14 length
which is 1/2 the length of the female menstration cycle.
They plot overbought and turning down, or oversold and turning up.
Large moves occur when the cycles are "in phase" with each other,
meaning they are moving in the same direction. Using 3/02 as an example,
first the half cycle turned up, then the full cycle, then the 3x cycle.
Terminology would be, for example on 3/01 at 10am, the cycle was down
on the 14, a half cycle up on the 7 (can use 6), in the midst of a
strong cycle on the 3x.
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You watch the half cycle and see if it has the power to pull the full cycle
in its direction, or if the full cycle is strong enough to not allow the
half cycle to affect it. Then see if the full cycle is strong enough to influence the 3x cycle. Also referencing
the full cycle as a "1/3 cycle" of the 3x cycle.
Using the trigger: its just a moving average on the indicator itself. Ocassionally
price may have turned up, but won't move until it crosses the moving average.
Sometimes the indicator will drag bottom or top, and as a "timing" indicator,
you can visually see where its at in relation to a possible trigger breakout
from it dragging bottom or top.
Layne
Replied on:03/03/2005 12:50:51
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Next day follow-up:
Currently half cycle up, but the full cycle is dragging
bottom.
If the half cycle turns down, price will
fall through the Fib price extension points drawn from
day's high to morning's low.
So you watch to go short if the full cycle remains
dragging bottom and the half-cycle turns down.
Notice the "in phase" down move earlier.
Example of half-cycle being strong enough to
pull the full cycle up. Price ran to the 50%
Fib between mornings high and low. Very typical
play.
(BUT the 3x is dragging bottom, so this move was
"out of phase" with that stochastic and it has the power
to cause the half and full to reverse down.) Buying volume still remains below the zero line so its buying in a downtrend.
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Replied on:03/03/2005 14:53:43
Message:
More illustration of the Double Stochastic and its trigger:
Half cycle is cycling down and the Full cycle
is hagging top and very close to its Trigger line
moving average.
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And now the cycles appear Congested and
why price is stagnant. Trying to decide
which cycle will become dominant.
end of day:
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Replied on:03/03/2005 20:42:47
Message:
Trend39 (Layne),
Thanks so much for answering my questions and all the very useful help in understanding the concepts of 1/2 cycle, full cycle and 3x cycle Stoch
indicators and the trigger. Your explanations and charts are great!
One last question (I hope) - the colors on the trigger, since we're waiting for the cycle stoch indicator to cross the trigger - what do the colors
(grey or red) of trigger mean?
If the cycle indicator is coming down from OB zone and is magenta and it crosses the trigger and the trigger is grey -what does that indicate?
Thanks again for all the help.
traderdp (David)
Replied on:03/03/2005 21:49:59
Message:
David, the colors represent comparing values of current bar versus previous bar.
Magenta: current stochastic value is less than previous bar's stochastic.
Trigger: its just an average of the indicator. If current average is greater
than the previous bar's average it remains gray.
Replied on:03/03/2005 22:35:02
Message:
Trend39 (Layne),
Thanks again and again for all your continuing help - from a trading neophyte, this makes learning enjoyable.
I promise to repay the favor when I develop enough info to have something to offer to others, as you most obviously do!
see one - do one - teach one
thanks again
traderdp (David)
Replied on:03/03/2005 23:44:58
Message:
David, you are welcome. You may also like to play with this indicator too.
Stochastic Momentum. (Very similar to a True Strength Indicator I use).
https://www.tradestation.com/Discussions/Topic.aspx?Topic_ID=36727
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Replied on:03/04/2005 22:23:35
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Trend39(Layne),
You may want to consider trying Leguerre RSI (wc,0.5)on different time frames to give similar or better results results - see below indicator code:
{ John Ehlers
Laguerre RSI
uses 4 element Laguerre filter
mod by Mark K (mido) 7/03 sadhu@myacc.net
}
Inputs: Price(wc),
gamm(.5); {damping factor, adjust to best suit your data, 0.50 - 0.85 }
Vars: L0(0),L1(0),L2(0),L3(0),CU(0),CD(0),LgRSI(0) ;
L0 = (1 - gamm)*Price + gamm*L0[1];
L1 = - gamm *L0 + L0[1] + gamm *L1[1];
L2 = - gamm *L1 + L1[1] + gamm *L2[1];
L3 = - gamm *L2 + L2[1] + gamm *L3[1];
CU = 0;
CD = 0;
If L0 >= L1 then CU = L0 - L1 else CD = L1 - L0;
If L1 >= L2 then CU = CU + L1 - L2 else CD = CD + L2 - L1;
If L2 >= L3 then CU = CU + L2 - L3 else CD = CD + L3 - L2;
If CU + CD <> 0 then LgRSI = 100*CU / (CU + CD);
Plot1(LgRSI,"LaguerreRSI");
Plot2(80,"80");
Plot3(20,"20");
Plot4(50,"50");
if (LgRSI < 20) then
SetPlotColor(1, Red);
if (LgRSI > 80) then
SetPlotColor(1, Green);
take care and again thanks alot.
traderdp (David)
Replied on:03/04/2005 23:12:19
Message:
David, thank you.
Users will also need the Function:
"WC".
Function:
{ weighted close }
wc = (2*C + L + H) /4;
************************
There are lots of oscillating indicators available to
use. Each one is unique. I've seen other's charts where
they fill it up with several that measure momentum, to the point they become a distraction. The oldest momentum indicator is the simple RSI and I
like that one best because
its the one everyone else is using so I like to see what they are seeing. Its also the most jagged which allows me
to draw trendlines on it, horizontal and diagonal. I like that on a 5 minute and larger time frames. Then I use the
Dstoch on the 10 minute. Its a matter of personal choice.
Here is an example of a cluttered chart. Though the SMI (or TSI whichever you prefer) has nice "trend" elements to it.
30 min chart:
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KISS principle (keep it simple stupid).
Find one momentum indicator you like, become an expert in
it. Do the same with one trend indicator. And possibly
a volume indicator like the Klinger. Then focus on
price action to include patterns, divergence, detrend,etc. And try to avoid trading noise.
Replied on:03/05/2005 06:44:36
Message:
Trend39 (Layne),
As always, thank you for your concise and informative analysis. You help put things into perspective and make the BIG PICTURE alot easier to
understand.
Thank you.
traderdp (David)
Reply author:dtnLA853
Replied on:07/18/2006 10:15:01
Message:
I understand that when all three (3x, half, and full cycle)move in the same direction, we can expect big moves. But, how do you enter the trade?
If you wait till all three move, it's too late. Do you just take a signal from the half cycle?
Replied on:12/24/2006 02:17:50
Message:
There are multiple ways to trade:
1) In phase: when they're all going in the same direction
2) If a longer cycle is hanging across the top, and the smaller cycle goes down,
you go long when that smaller cycle rises up. ( Or just the opposite for shorting
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if longer cycle is hanging on the bottom).
Replied on:02/13/2007 16:23:51
Message:
Today was a good example of trading watching various cycles.
The day ended with all of these cycles at the top.
Now creating amplitude power to the downside.
Just as yesterday's cycles at the bottom, near end of day,
gave amplitude to today's upside.
Replied on:02/14/2007 12:50:12
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Next morning after Fed Chairman comoments:
Stochastics are starting to do their cycles after all hitting a cycle top.
Before any large move down, the white double smoothed stochastic needs to cycle down.
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Replied on:02/14/2007 14:24:17
Message:
The White Stoch ( set at 63) to represent a 14 length from a 60 minute chart,
remains on top. The other smaller time frames have once again cycled up to
their top. Now as the smaller time frames start to cycle down, lets see if
they can pull the white stoch down with them.
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Replied on:02/15/2007 13:04:41
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The white (60 min stoch) is slowing working its way down.
Some of the smaller time frames are slowly working themselves upwards.
So with that, possibly one more small cycle up (Short that top),
cause when the shorter cycles start to come down, the white stoch
will cycle down fast. Bollinger Bands are constricting.
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Replied on:02/15/2007 14:31:04
Message:
The swing high just completed.
Now price is preparing to break down below that intra-day trendline
pending cycle movement.
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Replied on:02/15/2007 15:49:00
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"Pending cycle movement".... the 60 min cycled up.
Now nearlly all the cycles are near their top in unison.
Lets see if tomorrow they can cycle down against the bullish market.
Friday of the week the market has set new 52 wk highs.
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Replied on:02/16/2007 13:17:55
Message:
Following Day...
The white stoch is now dragging bottom. And only the short time frames
are cycling up and down.
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Replied on:02/20/2007 12:02:26
Message:
Oversold stochastics moved up in phase. Now ready for a cycle down.
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Replied on:02/20/2007 13:03:24
Message:
Hesitation.....
Does the longer stochastics hang along the top, and the shorter ones cycle back up ?
Or do the short ones drag bottom and the longer ones cycle down?
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Replied on:02/21/2007 13:28:26
Message:
Snap shot mid-day
Price fulfilled a Fib Fan target.
Price trades diagonally. Remember that. Price could easily begin to trade
diagonally down through the angled lines giving it downward diagonal direction.
Perhaps Solidus would pipe in and give us some of his hints using these fans.
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And then Fib Fan drawn aonther way for support angles.
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Replied on:02/22/2007 12:34:22
Message:
Cycle watch: Various scenarios.
1) Does the short cycles hang along the top,
and the longer cycles rise up?
2) Does the longer cycles drag bottom
and the short cycles, cycle back down, then go
through various undulations to finally bring
up the longer cycles?
Watch for both scenarios.
If the small cycles, cycle back down with the longer cycles
dragging bottom, my personal terminology for that is called a
sling shot"
"
. Visually picture a sling shot pulled back,
then let loose. The same can happen with the longer cycles
at the top. The light grey stoch at ~ 9:15 am was a sling shot
down against the magenta/green stoch.
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Replied on:03/13/2007 14:40:25
Message:
Longer cycles bottomed, awaiting their upturn.
So far found support at the Fib Fan and the 60 min RSI @ 30
Upwards target of about 1408
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Replied on:03/14/2007 18:11:24
Message:
Cycles bottomed, and are now at various cycle tops in phase:
Probably gap up a little tomorrow and then start the cycle gyrations again.
Retest of the trendlines, etc.
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Replied on:03/16/2007 10:42:26
Message:
Example of cycles starting to gyrate down
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Replied on:03/16/2007 11:21:42
Message:
update: cycles bottomed, but the longer cycle remains on top.
Set-up for a sling shot upwards.
Note also the Andrews Pitchfork. Probably return to its median line.
Its also early to call a swing low.
Replied on:03/16/2007 14:26:25
Message:
Follow-up:
Longer cycles never turned up. Thus bringing the longest cycle
down.
The swing high restistance around 11:30 on chart below was the
RSI midline of the 60 minute.
All cycles "in phase" downward.
This also completes a "measured move" from the recent breaking of
the intra-day trendline. A potential bullish AP has formed with probability
of rebounding to its median line. Once again, still waiting for comfirmed
swing low.
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Replied on:03/28/2007 12:14:00
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Message:
End of day....
Reply author:LongScalper
Replied on:03/31/2007 16:27:58
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Message:
Trend39, nice call!
Replied on:04/02/2007 14:49:53
Message:
Let's see what happens with this Wolfe Wave set-up.
Currently at Point 5. Next destination is line 1-4 extension per his rules.
(Its already late in the day, could happen tomorrow morning). Note the stochastics
are all near a cycle top.
Here are his rules for a Bullish Wave, but the chart I have below is for a bearish wave:
http://www.wolfewave.com/an_illustration_along_with_the_rules.htm
update: Near end of day.... Cycles are starting to cycle down.
Usually from point 5 to the EPA is very quick.
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Replied on:04/13/2007 13:52:51
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Friday the 13th.
Cycles are at their tops.
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Replied on:05/04/2007 13:42:54
Message:
Currently the white (equivalent of a 14 length on 60 minute)
has descended to the bottom. Just as it hung across the top for days,
it can also drag along the bottom, eventually price following. Obviously
the large sellers were out today which brought this downward.
Day's low is 1507
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Replied on:05/08/2007 14:48:44
Message:
Day before Fed meeting in May:
Note the trendlines and the stochastics:
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Replied on:05/09/2007 12:43:46
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Fed mtg results in 1 1/2 hours.
Notice all the cycles have already hit their tops.
They could hang here, or have a big cycle down.
There is also a possible bearish Wolfe Wave. Note the destination line.
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Replied on:05/09/2007 14:28:19
Message:
10 minutes after the Fed Announcment:
Cycles are heading downwards, while price is volatile.
Low of day, so far is 1507.75
Watching to see if price closes below the midline RSI of the
60 minute chart.
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Replied on:05/10/2007 16:05:17
Message:
End of Next day....
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Reply author:sprangsten
Replied on:05/12/2007 21:38:09
Message:
Trend39,
Thank you for all your time and effort in explaining the use of your stochastics, it is much appreciated. They would be perfect in applying to my
swing trading and was wondering if you could share the ELD used in the last screen shot.
Thanks
Replied on:05/12/2007 23:13:44
Message:
quote:
Originally posted by Trend39
Here is the ELD. I added a trigger to it that can be turned to false.
_Dstoch Trigger (renamed the indicator)
With Trigger turned to True:
Basic set-up: 14 regular length, 7 for half cycle,
and add another one that is 3-4 times the regular length.
(7 length color is false , then turned to gray. Triggers
turned to false. Added horiztonal hand drawn line. Will
add 50 line when I get TS 8.1 )
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Each color represents a 14 length stochastic of various times.
For example, the white is a 60 minute 14 configured to a 10 minute chart.
Replied on:05/17/2007 10:44:57
Message:
Thursday May 17
Andrews Bearish Pitchfork
Trendlines
Stochastics
Will the weakening stochastics
bring the price down to the lower trendline ?
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Replied on:05/17/2007 14:43:23
Message:
Potential Bearish Wolfe Wave line has formed to the downside
rules: http://www.wolfewave.com/an_illustration_along_with_the_rules.htm
OPENING PRICE OF THE WEEK = 1511.75
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Replied on:06/04/2007 15:53:31
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Monday, June 4 07; End of day
Short term cycles are now at their top, so watch for a cycle down.
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Replied on:06/05/2007 12:16:57
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Tuesday late morning, short term trading cycles now hit bottom
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Replied on:06/05/2007 15:11:14
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Tuesday, June 5th about 1 hour left in trading.
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Replied on:06/06/2007 13:50:09
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Next day....
Bullish divergence in the 10 minute time frame
Lower low in price, but higher low in buying volume.
Awaiting longer term stochastics to turn up for a larger
move upwards.
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Replied on:06/07/2007 14:15:13
Message:
Next day...Thursday (Price adjusted to the September contract)
Price is now at the daily 50 day moving average (psychological support)
The green and magenta stochastics need to start cycling up to eventually
lift the white 60 minute stochastic.
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Now the green and magenta are starting to rise.
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The white is finally perking up....
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Ended the day with a cycle down...
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Replied on:06/28/2007 00:43:54
Message:
See my posts on Page 7 for a further tutorial of this indicator.
https://www.tradestation.com/Discussions/Topic.aspx?Topic_ID=15420&Page=7
Reply author:traderduke
Replied on:09/04/2007 12:20:55
Message:
Trend39
Can you provide the ELDs for the above screen?? Also how do you set up your half cycles to be segmented??
Ray
Replied on:09/04/2007 16:04:34
Message:
_Dstoch Trigger ( I turn the trigger >average of indicator< to "False")
Click on indicator, then "format style" then upper right hand corner
allows one to choose thickness/type of line.
Replied on:09/06/2007 13:25:59
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They are all the double smoothed stochastic indicator.
Each length represents closely to the 14 length of a longer time frame.
Faster Cycles (upper graph)
lightgray = 5
green = 9
middle indicator is the KLINGER+ATR (volume indicator)
found in the EL library.
Longer Cycles bottom graph
White = len 85
Purple = 42
Green = 28
Red = 17
INDICATOR ELD
Reply author:KnightsInRodanthe
Replied on:09/07/2007 09:31:01
Message:
Find attached an indicator which closely replicates Trend39's 4 line LongerCycles subgraph in illustrations above and at
https://www.tradestation.com/Discussions/Topic.aspx?Topic_ID=66147&PAGE=5??
If you have fiddled with the _DSTOCH function don't accept the one included with this export - ie use your own. Pretty sure the one included in
this export is the original.
Note: all trigger code was commented out.
Also, indicator is just a little bit less smooth than Trend39's illustrations - he may be using a smooth. will find out and post.
Attachment:DATA/20070907092602MULTIDSTOCH.ELD 9210 bytes
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Reply author:traderduke
Replied on:09/09/2007 09:00:58
Message:
Thank you Trend39 & obx. I'm new at this and appreciate the help. Always looking for an early indicator. I have been trying to refine the %R and
match it with the Dstoch.
Thanks again
Ray
Replied on:09/09/2007 12:30:02
Message:
Read my posts on page 7 CYCLE LENGTH and Cycle Analysis
https://www.tradestation.com/discussions/Topic.aspx?Topic_ID=15420&Page=7
One of the posts includes a code for "dynamic cycle length"
DCL_Dstoch indicator Scroll through link to find the download.
Its a good indicator but I prefer to have the hard set cycle lengths above.
The dynamic length finder gives a few input options. First is length of bars (I think 13),
second input (3) don't mess with it ! Third input will be something like "mult" meaning
0.5 = half cycle 1 = full cycle, 1.25, 1.5, 2.0, etc.
Reply author:KnightsInRodanthe
Replied on:09/10/2007 10:26:42
Message:
TiffanyG,
Indicator
_DStoc function
_Lst function (not modified)
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_Hst function (not modified ie am sure I made no changes to these functions)
HTH
Replied on:05/19/2008 19:30:25
Message:
Some have been asking what stochastic indicator I use.
ELD is posted below.
They are all the double smoothed stochastic indicator.
Each length represents closely to the 14 length of a longer time frame.
Faster Cycles (upper graph)
lightgray = 5
green = 9
middle indicator is the KLINGER+ATR (volume indicator)
found in the EL library.
Longer Cycles bottom graph
White = len 85
Purple = 42
Green = 28
Red = 17
INDICATOR ELD
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Reply author:elias
Replied on:09/24/2008 13:44:18
Message:
Trend39,
This is an old thread so I'm not sure you will respond, but I had to ask....On a previous page you mentioned "The White Stoch ( set at 63) to
represent a 14 length from a 60 minute chart, remains on top." I was curious how you arrived at 63 (perhaps you can show how you calculate that
length?
Also, if I'm using a 1-min chart how would these lengths be adjusted? Would I still use a 14-length for the full cycle and a 7-length for the half
cycle and 42 for the 3x-cycle? With a 1-min. chart what length would I use to represent a 30-min double smoothed stochastic?
Reply author:ETF-Trader
Replied on:12/30/2008 00:29:26
Message:
quote:
Originally posted by Trend39
Purpose is to determine which stoch is mimicking price... the most common being Wilder's 14 length which is 1/2 the length of the
female menstration cycle.Layne
An old excerpt, but I got a chuckle out of this one. Are there any other indicators with a mathematical computation equivalent to 1/2 the cycle
length of the female cycle? LOL
Replied on:12/31/2008 18:06:55
Message:
That 28 day cycle has been around for a long time!
Nicely adapted to the market!
Reply author:bigfoot99
Replied on:05/26/2009 22:20:03
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hI GUYSI tried to plot the double stochastic trigger found in this thread , but when i plotted it all i get is a flat line....can someone post the code, because
mine isnt working! thanks
Reply author:bigfoot99
Replied on:05/26/2009 22:26:32
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I think it was trend39 who posted it!
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