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[Comment From nagia sgouritsanagia
sgouritsa: ]
Thnks for all. The organization of the
Conference proved greater than volcanic
disaster. Congratulations!
Wednesday April 28, 2010 12:12 nagia sgouritsa
[Comment From nagia sgouritsanagia sgouritsa: ]
Thnks for all. The organization of the Conference proved greater than volcanic
disaster. Congratulations!
Wednesday April 28, 2010 12:11 nagia sgouritsa
12:11
[Comment From Vassiliki PliatsikaVassiliki Pliatsika: ]
Congratulations to professors Nosch and Laffineur and all the participants. This was
an amazing experience. We'll probably keep looking back to this interactive
beginning in years to come.
Wednesday April 28, 2010 12:11 Vassiliki Pliatsika
12:11
[Comment From Helena TomasHelena Tomas: ]
@Pietro. I am great, although still disappointed that we did not make it to
Copenhagen. I will be in Athens from Sunday until the end of July, let me know if
you pass by.
Wednesday April 28, 2010 12:11 Helena Tomas
12:11
[Comment From Efi TsitsaEfi Tsitsa: ]
Just one word in Greek: ΜΠΡΑΒΟ !!
Wednesday April 28, 2010 12:11 Efi Tsitsa
18:50
pietro militello:
@Tomas (without H). You are right. Feel strange after so many days of web
immersion. How are you? Sorry for not attending your paper, but I had a meeting.
Monday April 26, 2010 18:50 pietro militello
18:49
[Comment From Robert LaffineurRobert Laffineur: ]
Thanks Marie-Louise
Monday April 26, 2010 18:49 Robert Laffineur
18:46
[Comment From Helena TomasHelena Tomas: ]
Now that all those 'Aegean voices' from the past few days went silent on this
livestream, the rest of the evening will feel lonely. Thanks for an amazing
experience.
Monday April 26, 2010 18:46 Helena Tomas
18:45
[Comment From Papanthimou Aik-Fappas J.Papanthimou Aik-Fappas J.: ]
Sabine Beckmann. Thank you for your information
Monday April 26, 2010 18:45 Papanthimou Aik-Fappas J.
18:45
18:43
[Comment From Sascha MauelSascha Mauel: ]
Congratulations and thanks to all contributors, participators and especially the
organisers! What an extraordinary and A wonderful experience... (though I missed
much of the presentations due to technical problems). Looking forward to the
publication, and to seeing you another time... somewhere!
Monday April 26, 2010 18:45 Sascha Mauel
ashlarblocks:
Louise H.: Excellent Tom! Goodnight from Melbourne.
Monday April 26, 2010 18:43 ashlarblocks
18:43
[Comment From Lena PapazoglouLena Papazoglou: ]
Thank you all for these unique days, we are looking forward to the next conference
Monday April 26, 2010 18:43 Lena Papazoglou
18:43
Sophia Vakirtzi:
Congratulations to the KOSMOS organisers, participants, chatters, and internet
technicians ! Thank you
Monday April 26, 2010 18:43 Sophia Vakirtzi
18:43
18:43
[Comment From Carlos VariasCarlos Varias: ]
Marie-Louise, Robert and all the staff of CTR: Thank you very, very much for
organizin this impressive conference and for your splendid hospitality in
Copenhagen. Many congratulations. Good luck with the edition!!!
Monday April 26, 2010 18:43 Carlos Varias
[Comment From Robert LaffineurRobert Laffineur: ]
Yes, bravo sou, Tom
Monday April 26, 2010 18:43 Robert Laffineur
18:42
pietro militello:
Thank you, Marie Louise and Robert, for this unique experience, and thank you all
those friends from Copenhagen (and nearby) for helping those who could not attend
the conference, in presenting theirs papers.
Monday April 26, 2010 18:42 pietro militello
18:42
[Comment From Angelos PapadopoulosAngelos Papadopoulos: ]
Simply amazing and unique, Thank you Prof. Nosch! Thank you Prof. Laffineur.
Well done everybody! See you all in 2012...
Monday April 26, 2010 18:42 Angelos Papadopoulos
18:42
[Comment From Janice CrowleyJanice Crowley: ]
Thank you, Tom. You said it all for us beautifully - and every epithet is true!
Monday April 26, 2010 18:42 Janice Crowley
18:42
[Comment From Bernice JonesBernice Jones: ]
Extraordinary Conference! Congratulations Robert & Marie-Louise!
Monday April 26, 2010 18:42 Bernice Jones
18:42
[Comment From Anaya SarpakiAnaya Sarpaki: ]
Thank you all..and thank you Tom for smiling...and keeping it going...
Monday April 26, 2010 18:42 Anaya Sarpaki
18:42
[Comment From Mary Jane CuylerMary Jane Cuyler: ]
Thank you to the organizers! This was a herculean task - and you performed it
excellently.
Monday April 26, 2010 18:42 Mary Jane Cuyler
18:42
[Comment From Richard FirthRichard Firth: ]
Thank you to all !!
Monday April 26, 2010 18:42 Richard Firth
18:41
[Comment From Janice CrowleyJanice Crowley: ]
Thak you, Tom,
Monday April 26, 2010 18:41 Janice Crowley
18:41
[Comment From Helene WhittakerHelene Whittaker: ]
Thank you so much to Marie Louise and Robert and to all the speakers for
wonderful papers.
Monday April 26, 2010 18:41 Helene Whittaker
18:41
[Comment From Annette PohlkeAnnette Pohlke: ]
Congratulations and thank you so much to everyone involved.
Monday April 26, 2010 18:41 Annette Pohlke
18:41
[Comment From Cynthia ShelmerdineCynthia Shelmerdine: ]
I add my congratulations to Robert and Marie-Louise. Thank you for a memorable
conference
Monday April 26, 2010 18:41 Cynthia Shelmerdine
18:40
[Comment From malgorzata siennickamalgorzata siennicka: ]
@Marie-Louise, Robert Laffineur and all participants - thank you so much for this
wonderful conference. It was a great experience!
Monday April 26, 2010 18:40 malgorzata siennicka
18:40
[Comment From Katherina AslanidouKatherina Aslanidou: ]
KOSMOS has been a unique and unforgettable experience. Thank you all! I' m
looking forward to seeing you in PHYSIS
Monday April 26, 2010 18:40 Katherina Aslanidou
18:39
[Comment From Eleni DrakakiEleni Drakaki: ]
Thank you to all involved with the conference. It has been a wonderful experience.
Monday April 26, 2010 18:39 Eleni Drakaki
18:38
[Comment From Oliver DickinsonOliver Dickinson: ]
Bravo sou, Tom!
Monday April 26, 2010 18:38 Oliver Dickinson
18:38
[Comment From Sabine BeckmannSabine Beckmann: ]
To all the organizers and helpers: Thanks so much for giving us a great time!
Monday April 26, 2010 18:38 Sabine Beckmann
18:37
[Comment From Mary Jane CuylerMary Jane Cuyler: ]
Yes it seems actually to be associated with wool. Maybe it means both :)
Monday April 26, 2010 18:37 Mary Jane Cuyler
18:35
[Comment From Luca GirellaLuca Girella: ]
Congratulations to the all organizers, readers, speakers and contributors for this new
experience!
Monday April 26, 2010 18:35 Luca Girella
18:35
[Comment From Sabine BeckmannSabine Beckmann: ]
@ Mary Jane: And then, again, someone said that is wrong...
Monday April 26, 2010 18:35 Sabine Beckmann
18:35
[Comment From Anne ChapinAnne Chapin: ]
Thank so much for putting together this wonderful conference - I look forward to
seeing everyone in 2012!
Monday April 26, 2010 18:35 Anne Chapin
18:35
[Comment From GuestGuest: ]
Congratulations to the all organizers, readers, speakers and contributors for this new
experience!
Monday April 26, 2010 18:35 Guest
18:34
[Comment From Mary Jane CuylerMary Jane Cuyler: ]
@sabine: it has been suggested that iris in Linear B is wi-ri-za
Monday April 26, 2010 18:34 Mary Jane Cuyler
18:34
[Comment From Sabine BeckmannSabine Beckmann: ]
@ Cynthia: I know, that is why I asked.
Monday April 26, 2010 18:34 Sabine Beckmann
18:32
[Comment From Papanthimou Aik-Fappas J.Papanthimou Aik-Fappas J.: ]
M. Louise, thank you and congratulations for this global Aegean event
Monday April 26, 2010 18:32 Papanthimou Aik-Fappas J.
18:32
[Comment From Marsia BealbyMarsia Bealby: ]
Congratulations to all those who contributed so this conference comes true. It was a
beautiful conference, thank you for giving us the chance to participate online.
Monday April 26, 2010 18:32 Marsia Bealby
18:32
[Comment From Fotis IfantidisFotis Ifantidis: ]
Συγχαρητήρια κα. Παπανθίµου, συγχαρητήρια Γιάννη
Monday April 26, 2010 18:32 Fotis Ifantidis
18:32
[Comment From Stephie NikoloudisStephie Nikoloudis: ]
Congratulations and a huge thank you to organisers, volunteers, paper-writers,
presenters, and participants world-wide for an invigorating four days!
Monday April 26, 2010 18:32 Stephie Nikoloudis
18:32
[Comment From Sabine BeckmannSabine Beckmann: ]
@ Aikaterini: For anointing you might be interested in my paper in Beckmann
S.|2006|Root, resin, red and ritual purification - The role of terebinth in Eastern
Mediterranean Bronze Age cult.|In: Ertug F. (Ed.). Ethnobotany: at the Junction of
the Continents and the Disciplines. Proceedings of the Fourth International Congress
of Ethnobotany (ICEB 2005). Istanbul, Ege Yayinlari, pp. 387-396.
Monday April 26, 2010 18:32 Sabine Beckmann
18:32
[Comment From Marsia BealbyMarsia Bealby: ]
@Katerina and Gianni. Great paper.
Monday April 26, 2010 18:32 Marsia Bealby
18:32
[Comment From Janice CrowleyJanice Crowley: ]
Yes, I insist - and we will have more in Australia!
Monday April 26, 2010 18:32 Janice Crowley
18:32
[Comment From Cynthia ShelmerdineCynthia Shelmerdine: ]
@sabine: orris root comes from iris, ancient Greek iris, iridos
Monday April 26, 2010 18:32 Cynthia Shelmerdine
18:32
18:31
[Comment From Alexandra AlexandriAlexandra Alexandri: ]
And a special thanks to the organizers from all of us who, volcano or no, would not
have been able to follow the proceedings and participate! Clearly, such conferences
are a way to go in the future.
Monday April 26, 2010 18:32 Alexandra Alexandri
[Comment From Bernice JonesBernice Jones: ]
Many thanks, Mary Jane
Monday April 26, 2010 18:31 Bernice Jones
18:29
Judith Weingarten:
A conference never to be forgotten. In addition to the normal thanks to organizers,
many many extra cheers for Marie-Louise and Robert. This has been a remarkable
experience. Warmest regards from Tuscany, Italy!
Monday April 26, 2010 18:29 Judith Weingarten
18:25
ashlarblocks:
Louise Hitchcock: @Aikaterini and Ioannes, wonderful paper & great use of Hittite
and Near Eastern texts!
Monday April 26, 2010 18:25 ashlarblocks
18:24
[Comment From Robert LaffineurRobert Laffineur: ]
Jan, we had already Champagne in Copenhagen, but if you insist ...
Monday April 26, 2010 18:24 Robert Laffineur
18:21
[Comment From Annette PohlkeAnnette Pohlke: ]
@Diana Thanks for sharing the picture. We wll have a geust at our house tonight
and I am preparing dinner while I watch and listen. What a great way to boldly take
scholarship where no scholar has taken it before. :)
Monday April 26, 2010 18:21 Annette Pohlke
18:21
[Comment From Janice CrowleyJanice Crowley: ]
Congratulations to Robert and Marie-Louise for such a triumph over adversity - one
we have all enjoyed so much. Break out the best champagne!
Monday April 26, 2010 18:21 Janice Crowley
18:20
[Comment From Sabine BeckmannSabine Beckmann: ]
To all linguists around: Is there any possibility that "ertis" could be orris?
Monday April 26, 2010 18:20 Sabine Beckmann
18:20
[Comment From Mary Jane CuylerMary Jane Cuyler: ]
@Bernice Jones: the best summary of the translation of ertis as henna can be found
in Shelmerdine "The Perfume Industry of Mycenaean Pylos" pgs 25-28. And there is
a good entry for e-ti in Aura Jorro's lexicon.
Monday April 26, 2010 18:20 Mary Jane Cuyler
18:20
[Comment From Sascha MauelSascha Mauel: ]
@Diana Wardle: will you also be joining the "Forging Identites" seninar at the
Aristotle University in Thessaloniki next week? I would very much like to ask you
several questions regarding the textile tools from Assiros... I we're not going to meet
in Thes/niki, please feel free to contact me via email [samau@web.de].
Monday April 26, 2010 18:20 Sascha Mauel
18:20
[Comment From Oliver DickinsonOliver Dickinson: ]
I express full agreement with Louise. Quite an experience. Good luck to the editors!
Monday April 26, 2010 18:20 Oliver Dickinson
18:19
[Comment From Robert LaffineurRobert Laffineur: ]
To Marie-Louise: a reminder was not unnecessary!
Monday April 26, 2010 18:19 Robert Laffineur
18:17
ashlarblocks:
Louise H: Thanks to Marie-Louise and Robert for creating a first of its kind global
Aegean event!
Monday April 26, 2010 18:17 ashlarblocks
18:17
[Comment From Jason EarleJason Earle: ]
@ Cynthia: I don't think that the meaning of red was singular. In Mesopotamia, for
example, kings wore red to symbolize their divinely granted authority. But, if I
recall correctly, kings could gift red garments (as a sort of status symbol) to their
followers.
Monday April 26, 2010 18:17 Jason Earle
18:17
[Comment From Sascha MauelSascha Mauel: ]
Hallo everybody... looks like I finally managed to solve my laptop problem (though
being very disappointed that I have missed large parts of todays and fridays
presentations)!
Monday April 26, 2010 18:17 Sascha Mauel
18:17
[Comment From Bernice JonesBernice Jones: ]
Mary Jane - Vry interesting talk - you mentioned the linear B term for Henna - can
you give me the reference.
Monday April 26, 2010 18:17 Bernice Jones
18:17
ITMEDIA:
For Robert: Oh yes, I forgot.....Yours ML
Monday April 26, 2010 18:17 ITMEDIA
18:16
[Comment From Robert LaffineurRobert Laffineur: ]
By the way, the editors of the volumes are both of us!
Monday April 26, 2010 18:16 Robert Laffineur
18:16
[Comment From Angelos PapadopoulosAngelos Papadopoulos: ]
@Robert Laffineur: This sounds like a pretty big task for the editors. Good luck with
that !
Monday April 26, 2010 18:16 Angelos Papadopoulos
18:16
[Comment From Robert LaffineurRobert Laffineur: ]
We have now to begin working on the edition of the proceedings of Kosmos -a huge
task indeed, with a good hunderd contributions, that is probably about 1000 pages
(thanks, Marie-Louise, for the encouragement). Precise instructions can be
downloaded from the Kosmos Web site in Liège (www.ulg.ac.be/archgrec) and an email reminder will be sent to authors in the next days. A first and essential
requirement anyway is that we have to get all the manuscripts and illustrations by
the middle of June (yes, this year) if we want to have the volumes published in the
spring of 2011. A lot of thanks to everybody. Please be as efficient for submitting
your material for publication as you have been for submitting your presentation.
Monday April 26, 2010 18:16 Robert Laffineur
18:11
[Comment From Mary Jane CuylerMary Jane Cuyler: ]
@ Sabine: That would be great! Please email me at mjcuyler@gmail.com and we
will do this. Thank you so much!
Monday April 26, 2010 18:11 Mary Jane Cuyler
18:11
[Comment From Carlos VariasCarlos Varias: ]
Thenk you, Mary Jane; at the moment, Arco is correcting part of her writing, and
still needs more time to be in the final phase. Her problem is time: after the end of
her University grant, she is now working in a private high-school giving around 27
classes (hours) per week!
Monday April 26, 2010 18:11 Carlos Varias
18:08
[Comment From Cynthia ShelmerdineCynthia Shelmerdine: ]
@Jason: thanks for your fine paper. What do you make of the Mycenaeans dyeing
some of their oil red? 1st millenium that gives it added value as being special, but
there's nothing about marking it for religous purposes. Do you think in Myc. culture
the red color might have connected it to religious sphere?
Monday April 26, 2010 18:08 Cynthia Shelmerdine
18:08
ITMEDIA:
GOOD LUCK WITH THE EDITING TASK, ROBERT! Yours ML
Monday April 26, 2010 18:08 ITMEDIA
18:07
[Comment From Robert LaffineurRobert Laffineur: ]
Now we have to begin working on the edition of the proceedings of Kosmos -a huge
task indeed, with a good hunderd contributions, that is probably about 1000 pages.
Precise instructions can be downloaded from the Kosmos Web site in Liège
(www.ulg.ac.be/archgrec) and an e-mail reminder will be sent to authors in the next
days. A first and essential requirement, anyway, is that we have to get all the
manuscripts and illustrations by the middle of June (yes, this year!) if we want to
have the volumes published in the spring of 2011.
Monday April 26, 2010 18:07 Robert Laffineur
18:06
[Comment From Sabine BeckmannSabine Beckmann: ]
@Mary Jane: The sage available in Crete (salvia trilobaO has a very strong aroma
that keeps well when dried. If you like I can send you some for your experiments - it
is strongest in July-August
Monday April 26, 2010 18:06 Sabine Beckmann
18:06
[Comment From Jason EarleJason Earle: ]
Thanks, Bernice!
Monday April 26, 2010 18:06 Jason Earle
18:05
18:05
[Comment From Joann GulizioJoann Gulizio: ]
And thank you, Marie-Louise for reading my paper. I am glad you enjoyed it.
Actually, your research on the textile tablets was very helpful to me as I was
preparing this paper.
Monday April 26, 2010 18:05 Joann Gulizio
[Comment From Mary Jane CuylerMary Jane Cuyler: ]
@Carlos Varias: I will be very interested to learn about Arco's research!
Monday April 26, 2010 18:05 Mary Jane Cuyler
18:04
18:04
[Comment From Diana WardleDiana Wardle: ]
Sorry: text was supposed to go with web-address. I was training up the
grandchildren to be bankers or lawyers, but it looks like you have wrecked that!
Great to have been able to attend the conference from home: thank you very much
for a wonderful conference. These images taken here in Athens during the
conference when the children seized tea-towels to match the images they were
watching. The youngest is chanting 'Late Helladic' http://artsweb.bham.ac.uk/aha/kaw/diana/A&K.htm Had you all intended to inspire
the next generation?
Monday April 26, 2010 18:04 Diana Wardle
[Comment From Cynthia ShelmerdineCynthia Shelmerdine: ]
@Mary Jane: right; would have to be dried, unless they transplanted henna plants
and grew the flowers locally. I forget right now why I thought that was unlikely....
Monday April 26, 2010 18:04 Cynthia Shelmerdine
18:04
18:04
[Comment From Mary Jane CuylerMary Jane Cuyler: ]
@Sabine Beckham: I have not experimented with Thujone. I think it would be very
difficult to achieve toxicity with an olive oil infusion - unfortunately I am not at all a
chemist, but I plan on performing some sort experiments with sage-infused oil soon
(when I have access to a lot of fresh sage)
Monday April 26, 2010 18:04 Mary Jane Cuyler
[Comment From Bernice JonesBernice Jones: ]
Fascinating paper, Jason!
Monday April 26, 2010 18:04 Bernice Jones
18:02
18:02
[Comment From Mary Jane CuylerMary Jane Cuyler: ]
@Cynthia: I think it would be interesting to see if it's possible to infuse dried henna
flowers into oil...otherwise, as you've noted, it doesn't seem possible that fresh
flowers would have survived the trip overseas to Pylos.
Monday April 26, 2010 18:02 Mary Jane Cuyler
[Comment From Carlos VariasCarlos Varias: ]
Thank you very much, Joann; please, do not hurry, take your time.
Monday April 26, 2010 18:02 Carlos Varias
18:01
18:00
[Comment From Mary Jane CuylerMary Jane Cuyler: ]
@ Cynthia: No, I didn't do a stypsis with the henna or with the alkanet, since I was
going for the color only. In the case of the alkanet, I still got a bright red; I doubt
stypsis would have helped the henna...
Monday April 26, 2010 18:01 Mary Jane Cuyler
ITMEDIA:
Hi Joann, you paper was very fine, I read it and enjoyed it, yours Marie-Louise
Monday April 26, 2010 18:00 ITMEDIA
18:00
[Comment From Joann GulizioJoann Gulizio: ]
I just want to apologize for not responding to the comments to paper earlier today. I
was not available at that time to tune in to the presentation. Carlos, I appreciate your
comments and questions and I will e-mail you personally to address them.
Monday April 26, 2010 18:00 Joann Gulizio
18:00
ITMEDIA:
Dear Jason, your voiced presentation works very well, thank you for this!
Monday April 26, 2010 18:00 ITMEDIA
17:59
[Comment From Diana WardleDiana Wardle: ]
http://artsweb.bham.ac.uk/aha/kaw/diana/A&K.htm
Monday April 26, 2010 17:59 Diana Wardle
17:59
[Comment From Joann GulizioJoann Gulizio: ]
@ Mary Jane Cuyler. I really liked the experimental aspect to your paper. And your
right! The henna-dyed oil is pretty awful.
Monday April 26, 2010 17:59 Joann Gulizio
17:59
[Comment From Cynthia ShelmerdineCynthia Shelmerdine: ]
quick further thought, that the process of stypsis (boiling with astringent herbs like
cyperus) made olive oil much more receptive to scent than plain oil; did you boil
your oil before infusing things?
Monday April 26, 2010 17:59 Cynthia Shelmerdine
17:59
pietro militello:
Thank you. This could also explain the dogs in the Ayia Triada sealings
Monday April 26, 2010 17:59 pietro militello
17:59
17:58
[Comment From Cynthia ShelmerdineCynthia Shelmerdine: ]
@Mary Jane Cuyler: Congratulations on your paper, MJ. I guess we can give up the
idea that henna was used to dye the oil red! Either ertis not henna, or the (nicely)
fragrant flowers were used, not the dyeing element.
Monday April 26, 2010 17:59 Cynthia Shelmerdine
[Comment From Sabine BeckmannSabine Beckmann: ]
@ Mary Jane : Nice paper. Have you tried to check if the amount of thujone that is
soluble in oil (is it?) is anywhere near to toxic amounts?
Monday April 26, 2010 17:58 Sabine Beckmann
17:58
[Comment From Carlos VariasCarlos Varias: ]
To Mary Jane Cuyler: Thank you very much for this splendid paper. I appreciate
very much your archeobotanical approach. As Cynthia Shlemerdine knows (and
probably yourself), a graduate student of mine, Roser Arco, is doing her dissertation
on the vocabulary related to the "perfume" industry in Linear B, so your work is and
will be of great help to her (unfortunately, because she is working now, she has not
been able to hear you)
Monday April 26, 2010 17:58 Carlos Varias
17:58
[Comment From Vassiliki PliatsikaVassiliki Pliatsika: ]
@Angelos Papadopoulos: I'd love to get in touch. I've posted my email in a message
below, so if you like we can arrange a meeting
Monday April 26, 2010 17:58 Vassiliki Pliatsika
17:58
[Comment From Vassiliki PliatsikaVassiliki Pliatsika: ]
@R. Laffineur: Thank you so much. I'll keep in touch
Monday April 26, 2010 17:58 Vassiliki Pliatsika
17:58
[Comment From Eva Andersson StrandEva Andersson Strand: ]
Dear Mary Jane, thank you for a very interesting paper. I am really looking forward
to read you article.
Monday April 26, 2010 17:58 Eva Andersson Strand
17:58
[Comment From Marsia BealbyMarsia Bealby: ]
@Josephine: Thank you. Very interesting point.
Monday April 26, 2010 17:58 Marsia Bealby
17:58
[Comment From Anaya SarpakiAnaya Sarpaki: ]
Mary Jane, I loved your approach into experimenting...I believe as recipes are not
complete...it is the only way....Bravo! We have to get together when you come to
Crete!
Monday April 26, 2010 17:58 Anaya Sarpaki
17:58
[Comment From Jason EarleJason Earle: ]
Here and ready to chat!
Monday April 26, 2010 17:58 Jason Earle
17:58
17:58
[Comment From Angelos PapadopoulosAngelos Papadopoulos: ]
@pietro militello: It all started when I was trying to identify who is who regarding
violent actions. I was impressed to see that there is almost no difference unless one
can tell from the general iconographic context. As for Tomb Theta Kostas is the
person to ask, but according to his Udine paper (in press) they were found on the
man's chest
Monday April 26, 2010 17:58 Angelos Papadopoulos
[Comment From Mary Jane CuylerMary Jane Cuyler: ]
Thanks Joann. I enjoyed your paper too! I was up and at 'em quite early just for
you...well, and for all the other papers too :)
Monday April 26, 2010 17:58 Mary Jane Cuyler
17:52
[Comment From Joann GulizioJoann Gulizio: ]
Nicely done, Mary Jane. Congrats.
Monday April 26, 2010 17:52 Joann Gulizio
17:52
[Comment From Jason EarleJason Earle: ]
I'm here and ready to chat!
Monday April 26, 2010 17:52 Jason Earle
17:51
[Comment From Angelos PapadopoulosAngelos Papadopoulos: ]
@Lena Papazoglou! Thank you so much! It's a man's world indeed... (brilliantly
exhibited at NAM). Glad to have some armed females though!
Monday April 26, 2010 17:51 Angelos Papadopoulos
17:47
17:47
[Comment From Angelos PapadopoulosAngelos Papadopoulos: ]
@Dr.Pliatsika: Having seen your work, I could not agree more. I am now based at
Athens and if you want we can exchange views at some stage. Pictorial sherds can
be so informative and some pieces are truly unique. Thank you!
Monday April 26, 2010 17:47 Angelos Papadopoulos
[Comment From Robert LaffineurRobert Laffineur: ]
Vassiliki Pliatsika: I'll arange for this. Let's get in contact on e-mail.
Monday April 26, 2010 17:47 Robert Laffineur
17:47
[Comment From Angelos PapadopoulosAngelos Papadopoulos: ]
@ML: I would be most interested and grateful to see the proceedings and then have
a chat with you. It is a pitty that even greaves are not preserved (with a few
exceptions). Thank you for all your help
Monday April 26, 2010 17:47 Angelos Papadopoulos
17:42
pietro militello:
@Papadopoulos: in fact, the coincidence of iconographic details among these
different kind of subjects was one of the most striking contributions of your paper. I
was astonished. As far as the pins from Tomb Theta, were they not located at the
feet of the warrior?
Monday April 26, 2010 17:42 pietro militello
17:35
[Comment From Josephine VerduciJosephine Verduci: ]
@Marsia Bealby: The flaring out of the upper body may be to do with a
muscular/athletic physique, however it is also the natural result of waist constriction
which often pushes the internal organs up and against the ribcage and as can be seen
in the image of Fakir Musafar I included in my powerpoint. This doesn't answer the
issue of muscular arms however .
Monday April 26, 2010 17:35 Josephine Verduci
17:35
[Comment From Angelos PapadopoulosAngelos Papadopoulos: ]
@Kostas: Thanks very much for the comments, the pdf and the discussions we had.
Tomb Θ is officially my favourite one
Monday April 26, 2010 17:35 Angelos Papadopoulos
17:35
[Comment From Lena PapazoglouLena Papazoglou: ]
good work, Angele, to present the men's kosmos
Monday April 26, 2010 17:35 Lena Papazoglou
17:35
[Comment From Vassiliki PliatsikaVassiliki Pliatsika: ]
@Angelos Papadopoulos: Congratulations! I was really excited to see that you made
such good use of pictorial pottery evidence: I do think one should look more closely
at details and fragmentary pieces!
Monday April 26, 2010 17:35 Vassiliki Pliatsika
17:35
[Comment From Angelos PapadopoulosAngelos Papadopoulos: ]
@pietro militello: thank you for the kind words. I have read your work and we are
on the same side. I was especially interested to see that warriors and boxers shared
the same iconographic elements. In fact I do believe that warriors-hunters-boxers
belong to the same "cycle"
Monday April 26, 2010 17:35 Angelos Papadopoulos
17:31
[Comment From Vassiliki PliatsikaVassiliki Pliatsika: ]
@R. Laffineur: Oh, yes I would. I think these two sisters deserve to be examined
together in detail.
Monday April 26, 2010 17:31 Vassiliki Pliatsika
17:31
[Comment From Josephine VerduciJosephine Verduci: ]
@Annette Pohlke: Yes I have looked at the use of corsetry by men and women of
the last 200 years - particularly the Victorian era, however, that was proving to be a
topic deserving a paper all of its own and I therefore chose to not include it in my
research. There are many interesting parallels and lots of interesting data particularly regarding the medical analysis of tightlacings effect on the human body.
Maybe another conference...
Monday April 26, 2010 17:31 Josephine Verduci
17:30
ITMEDIA:
From Marie-Louise Nosch: Angelos, it was a great paper. We had a conference here
about the military and textiles through time a year ago, I will send you the
proceedings, and I believe you show very well that allthough proper uniforms do not
exist in BA, the concept of uniform is already very develloped.
Monday April 26, 2010 17:30 ITMEDIA
17:29
Kostas Paschalidis:
@Angelos: Bravo, Angele! Brilliant organisation of the available material on
warriors! Ecxellent methodology and valuable conclusions. Thank you!
Monday April 26, 2010 17:29 Kostas Paschalidis
17:28
17:27
pietro militello:
@papadopoulos, very interesting paper. The general perspective helps
understanding the different periods. in Creta Antica 4, , with reference to some of
Cretan examples, I suggested the existence of ritual competitions in Crete, which is
in line with the different and personalised attires of the warriors.
Monday April 26, 2010 17:28 pietro militello
[Comment From Mary Jane CuylerMary Jane Cuyler: ]
I'm here online :)
Monday April 26, 2010 17:27 Mary Jane Cuyler
17:27
[Comment From Marsia BealbyMarsia Bealby: ]
@Josephine: I am having a look at the depictions of the Aegean processional scenes
from Thebes, Egypt right now. It is indeed true that the waists of the Aegeans are a
lot slimmer than the waists of others, but this is particularly emphasised by the very
triangle-structured upper body of the Aegeans (good with sports?). The Aegeans
depicted have rather strong arms, and these body features can be also seen on the
Palaikastro Kouros.
Monday April 26, 2010 17:27 Marsia Bealby
17:27
[Comment From Josephine VerduciJosephine Verduci: ]
@John Younger: I do mention your article in my footnotes and must say it was
important in directing my line of enquiry. I will look into the EIA example from
Crete which I wasn't aware of - thankyou.
Monday April 26, 2010 17:27 Josephine Verduci
17:27
[Comment From malgorzata siennickamalgorzata siennicka: ]
@Vasiliki Pliatsika – I’ll be happy to meet you in November at the same conference
at Athens. There are obviously many features in House M which make it
extraordinary, especially the relationships with the surrounding storerooms,
corridors and casemates, as well as presence of frescoes, platform, and mobile finds.
Good luck with your study!
Monday April 26, 2010 17:27 malgorzata siennicka
17:27
[Comment From Robert LaffineurRobert Laffineur: ]
Vassiliki Pliatsika: I think it is on display. Do you mean that you would like to see
it?
Monday April 26, 2010 17:27 Robert Laffineur
17:27
[Comment From Josephine VerduciJosephine Verduci: ]
@Marsia Bealby: Perhaps I should give a warning before showing those images??
Monday April 26, 2010 17:27 Josephine Verduci
17:26
[Comment From Josephine VerduciJosephine Verduci: ]
@Bernice Jones: Thanks for the positive words!
Monday April 26, 2010 17:26 Josephine Verduci
17:26
[Comment From Angelos PapadopoulosAngelos Papadopoulos: ]
@ ITMedia: My pleasure... It was recorded at 3 am and after several attempts. Glad
it works!
Monday April 26, 2010 17:26 Angelos Papadopoulos
17:26
[Comment From Vassiliki PliatsikaVassiliki Pliatsika: ]
@Bernice Jones: Thank you so much for this. I have overlooked it and do want to
look into these tassels more closely.
Monday April 26, 2010 17:26 Vassiliki Pliatsika
17:14
[Comment From Vassiliki PliatsikaVassiliki Pliatsika: ]
@Robert Laffineur: Thank you for the kind words. I think it is not on display right
now, yes?
Monday April 26, 2010 17:14 Vassiliki Pliatsika
17:13
ITMEDIA:
And thank you to you for sending the narrated version, it works very well.
Monday April 26, 2010 17:13 ITMEDIA
17:12
[Comment From Angelos PapadopoulosAngelos Papadopoulos: ]
Yeap, I am online for any comments or questions. Many thanks in advance!
Monday April 26, 2010 17:12 Angelos Papadopoulos
17:12
ITMEDIA:
Angelos, are you online?
Monday April 26, 2010 17:12 ITMEDIA
17:11
[Comment From Bernice JonesBernice Jones: ]
Sorry, I meant to address my comment on the wasp-weited Minoans to Josephine
(not Angelos - my error).
Monday April 26, 2010 17:11 Bernice Jones
17:10
17:10
[Comment From Vassiliki PliatsikaVassiliki Pliatsika: ]
@malgorzata siennicka: I have also noted that House M is close to the wall, as of
course is the Cult Center and other sacred areas. To be really honest with you I'm
still in the process of solving the riddle of the nature of the cultic activities that took
place in House M. I'll be delivering a relevant paper on the upcoming Mycenaeans
Up to Date conference in Athens in November and hope to address some of these
issues there.
Monday April 26, 2010 17:10 Vassiliki Pliatsika
[Comment From Bernice JonesBernice Jones: ]
Angelos - Very interesting paper. Good to see that you are tackling this difficult
subject and have gathered some belts - this is a much needed study!
Monday April 26, 2010 17:10 Bernice Jones
17:07
[Comment From Bernice JonesBernice Jones: ]
Vassiliki, You might be interested in my suggestion of how the tassels work on the
Heanos in Metron 2003.
Monday April 26, 2010 17:07 Bernice Jones
17:07
17:07
[Comment From Annette PohlkeAnnette Pohlke: ]
Interesting paper. But talking about "wasp-waisted" I was missing a referrence to
European fashion for high class women, especially in the 18th century. Or was that
too obvious?
Monday April 26, 2010 17:07 Annette Pohlke
[Comment From Marsia BealbyMarsia Bealby: ]
@Josephine: excellent paper by the way.
Monday April 26, 2010 17:07 Marsia Bealby
17:07
17:07
[Comment From John YoungerJohn Younger: ]
Josephine: You may have mentioned my article (my computer kept crashing):
"Waist Compression in the Aegean Late Bronze Age," Archaeological News 23
(1998-2000) 1-9. http://kuscholarworks.ku.edu/dspace/handle/1808/4301. cranial
deformity now from EIA Olous (Crete) reported in last year's Archaeology
magazine
Monday April 26, 2010 17:07 John Younger
[Comment From Marsia BealbyMarsia Bealby: ]
@Josephine: Ouch That Hurt!!! : )
Monday April 26, 2010 17:07 Marsia Bealby
17:04
17:03
[Comment From Vassiliki PliatsikaVassiliki Pliatsika: ]
@Georg Nightingale & anyone who would like to contact me, my email is
iphimedea@yahoo.com (you see, I'm always revolving around mycenaean
goddesses..)
Monday April 26, 2010 17:04 Vassiliki Pliatsika
[Comment From Vassiliki PliatsikaVassiliki Pliatsika: ]
My dear Judit, indeed you are right. It's worth thinking a bit more on this, as it
reflects a clear distinction in LH IIIA-B times. A fashion change perhaps?
Monday April 26, 2010 17:03 Vassiliki Pliatsika
17:02
[Comment From Robert LaffineurRobert Laffineur: ]
To Vassiliki Pliatsika: Great paper. First time I'm invited to look so carefully at the
Brussels Lady. I've seen it so many times, however, but being Belgian is not an
advantage in this case!
Monday April 26, 2010 17:02 Robert Laffineur
17:02
[Comment From Vassiliki PliatsikaVassiliki Pliatsika: ]
@Lena Papazoglou: Thank you for your kind words. Indeed one figure from
Mycenae comes from a Tsountas excavated chamber tomb. There is only one other
example from a funerary environment, a head from a chamber tomb in Rhodes
(published by Benzi)
Monday April 26, 2010 17:02 Vassiliki Pliatsika
17:02
ITMEDIA:
Thank you to Vibe Martens for reading this paper: she is not Aegeanist but historian
(colonial studies) and student helper at CTR and we are really happy for her help
today.
Monday April 26, 2010 17:02 ITMEDIA
17:00
[Comment From Joanne CutlerJoanne Cutler: ]
You are very welcome, Vassiliki - it was a great analysis of the figurines; and some
wonderful images!
Monday April 26, 2010 17:00 Joanne Cutler
17:00
16:59
[Comment From malgorzata siennickamalgorzata siennicka: ]
@Vasiliki Pliatsika – Thank you very much for this fascinating new evidence for
cult functions of House M. Interestingly, House M is also located close to the
fortification wall, as G. Alberti observed for other Myc. cult buildings on the
citadels (lately the Midea Shrine). Do you think House M was a public shrine or
rather a house with cult functions (perhaps as House Beta on the West slope)? I look
forward to the publication of the complex!
Monday April 26, 2010 17:00 malgorzata siennicka
[Comment From Vassiliki PliatsikaVassiliki Pliatsika: ]
@Bernice Jones: Thank you! Your work on mycenaean dress was so very helpful!
Monday April 26, 2010 16:59 Vassiliki Pliatsika
16:58
[Comment From Vassiliki PliatsikaVassiliki Pliatsika: ]
@Angelos Papadopoulos: Thank you very much. It's always a relief to hear that!
When you're dealing with religion you're always standing on thin ice..
Monday April 26, 2010 16:58 Vassiliki Pliatsika
16:58
[Comment From Vassiliki PliatsikaVassiliki Pliatsika: ]
@J. Younger: Thank you! Your writings on the use of rings and seals have been
more than helpful
Monday April 26, 2010 16:58 Vassiliki Pliatsika
16:56
[Comment From Vassiliki PliatsikaVassiliki Pliatsika: ]
@Oliver Dickinson: thank you very much!
Monday April 26, 2010 16:56 Vassiliki Pliatsika
16:55
[Comment From Vassiliki PliatsikaVassiliki Pliatsika: ]
@Oliver Dickinson:
Monday April 26, 2010 16:55 Vassiliki Pliatsika
16:54
[Comment From Josephine VerduciJosephine Verduci: ]
@everyone: I have just made it into an airport hotel and am happy to answer any
questions. @Louise: Thanks for standing in!
Monday April 26, 2010 16:54 Josephine Verduci
16:54
[Comment From Angelos PapadopoulosAngelos Papadopoulos: ]
I think my previous message was lost, so again my congratulations to Dr. Pliatsika
for a great paper and her methodology!
Monday April 26, 2010 16:54 Angelos Papadopoulos
16:54
[Comment From Georg NightingaleGeorg Nightingale: ]
@ Vassiliki PLIATSIKA: You showed some very good pictures of glass and faience
beads from Mycenae. Could you possibly send me your e-mail as I would very
much like to contact you. Your paper puts the study of jewelry depicted on figurines
on a new level!
Monday April 26, 2010 16:54 Georg Nightingale
16:54
[Comment From Judit LebegyevJudit Lebegyev: ]
@ Vassiliki, What a brilliant paper!!!! The lack of earrings on the figures compared
to the Thera representations, I think is chronological, as shown also by the funerary
evidence: they are found in larger number in MH III and LH I, only a few examples
are known from LH IIA and LH IIB, and almost none from LH IIIA-B.
Monday April 26, 2010 16:54 Judit Lebegyev
16:54
[Comment From Lena PapazoglouLena Papazoglou: ]
@ Vassiliki. Thoughtful and well organized. One of the Mycenae figures you have
shown us comes from the chamber tombs, is it the only one from a funerary context?
Monday April 26, 2010 16:54 Lena Papazoglou
16:54
[Comment From Vassiliki PliatsikaVassiliki Pliatsika: ]
I am immensely grateful to Joanne Cutler for reading my paper so well; to be honest,
better than I could have myself!
Monday April 26, 2010 16:54 Vassiliki Pliatsika
16:54
[Comment From Bernice JonesBernice Jones: ]
Fine paper, Vassiliki! I agree that the figurine wears a Heanos and am delighted to
see that tassels are indicated on the mainland.
Monday April 26, 2010 16:54 Bernice Jones
16:54
[Comment From Eva Andersson StrandEva Andersson Strand: ]
To Eleni my pleasure and again I learned a lot. It also made me think from where the
tradition in Viking Age ( c. 2000 years later than Mycenean period ) came from,
since we do not have these items during earlier periods
Monday April 26, 2010 16:54 Eva Andersson Strand
16:53
[Comment From Angelos PapadopoulosAngelos Papadopoulos: ]
Congratulations Dr. Pliatsika, a truly convincing paper. Great methodology!
Monday April 26, 2010 16:53 Angelos Papadopoulos
16:53
[Comment From John YoungerJohn Younger: ]
Vassiliki: great paper! I look forward to reading it in detail! Thanks!
Monday April 26, 2010 16:53 John Younger
16:53
[Comment From Oliver DickinsonOliver Dickinson: ]
@ Vasiliki Pliatsika: excellent analysis.
Monday April 26, 2010 16:53 Oliver Dickinson
16:53
[Comment From Marsia BealbyMarsia Bealby: ]
@Robert. Thank you ever so much. I will try to trace this publication.
Monday April 26, 2010 16:53 Marsia Bealby
16:53
16:52
[Comment From Annette PohlkeAnnette Pohlke: ]
I am not one of the presenters, but a great (free!) tool for recording sound that is
available for Windows, Mac OS X and Linux is Audacity:
http://audacity.sourceforge.net/about/. I used it at various occasions.
Monday April 26, 2010 16:53 Annette Pohlke
ashlarblocks:
Now it is caught up.
Monday April 26, 2010 16:52 ashlarblocks
16:51
ashlarblocks:
Louise H.: The s 2 slides ahead of the text.
Monday April 26, 2010 16:51 ashlarblocks
16:43
ashlarblocks:
Louise Hitchcock: Jo Verduci may be in transit, trying to get back to Melbourne,
and not monitoring the presentation. She would appreciate your comments by e-mail
at: j.verduci@pgrad.unimelb.edu.au and jo@skite.com.au
Monday April 26, 2010 16:43 ashlarblocks
16:36
[Comment From Robert LaffineurRobert Laffineur: ]
To Marsia Bealby: the intriguing pendants from Aghia Triada and Giouchtas are
discussed in detail in a paper by G. de Pierpont at a conference in Mannheim in the
mid-eighties.
Monday April 26, 2010 16:36 Robert Laffineur
16:27
[Comment From Eleni SalavouraEleni Salavoura: ]
@Eva Andersson Strand: It's very interesting, even if there is a gap of many
centuries with the Mycenaeans examples. As far as I know, similar sets and objects
are common also in the Halstatt culture, as well as in the Renaissance... Thank you
once more for reading the paper!
Monday April 26, 2010 16:27 Eleni Salavoura
16:26
[Comment From Bernice JonesBernice Jones: ]
Anna SIMANDIRAKI-GRIMSHAW and Fay STEVENS: Very interesting paper. I
am also interested in the technique you used to record your narrative. I would
appreciate it if you and Costas P. and others who did successful recordings could
share their techniques with us - which would be enormously helpful for future
virtual conferences as well as for teaching. Many thanks.
Monday April 26, 2010 16:26 Bernice Jones
16:26
[Comment From Marsia BealbyMarsia Bealby: ]
@Anna and Fay: Thank you for a wonderful paper. The heart-shaped pendants /
amulets you showed on your paper, from Hagia Triadha and Giouhtas, and the
animals depicted on them (snakes, scorpion, spider, etc) are of particular interest to
me as they likely reflect some influences from Egypt (in shape and -possiblydecoration theme). I am looking forward to reading your work.
Monday April 26, 2010 16:26 Marsia Bealby
16:26
ITMEDIA:
We are more than 30 minutes behind schedule - we are sorry for this!
Monday April 26, 2010 16:26 ITMEDIA
16:22
[Comment From Mary Jane CuylerMary Jane Cuyler: ]
Anna SIMANDIRAKI-GRIMSHAW and Fay STEVENS: Your paper is very
compelling. A brilliant approach to the wearing of jewelry, in life and in death! Can't
wait to read your paper.
Monday April 26, 2010 16:22 Mary Jane Cuyler
16:22
[Comment From Janice CrowleyJanice Crowley: ]
Anna, Thank you very much. Thought-provoking as all your papers. So sorry to
miss you at KOSMOS.
Monday April 26, 2010 16:22 Janice Crowley
16:22
16:22
[Comment From Georg NightingaleGeorg Nightingale: ]
@ Simandiraki-Grimshaw: With regards to water. You can add the Octopus from
Mycenae and the flying fish from Spata. I like your paper very much and think your
ideas are very stimulating.
Monday April 26, 2010 16:22 Georg Nightingale
[Comment From Eva Andersson StrandEva Andersson Strand: ]
Dear Helena, thank you very much for your kind comment. It was my pleasure
Monday April 26, 2010 16:22 Eva Andersson Strand
16:18
ashlarblocks:
Louise: @Anna: fascinating paper, I'll look forward to seeing the article.
Monday April 26, 2010 16:18 ashlarblocks
16:15
16:15
[Comment From Georg NightingaleGeorg Nightingale: ]
@ Simandiraki-Grimshaw: I am not sure if your example for for Land and Air - the
glass beads you showed, can be identified as butterfly, as the motif could be seen as
a standard lily variety with two extension (I admit, that is therefore indeed looks a
little like a butterfly).
Monday April 26, 2010 16:15 Georg Nightingale
[Comment From Eva Andersson StrandEva Andersson Strand: ]
To Eleni curiosly we actually have more or less the exact type of "toilet sets" in
Viking Age Scandinavian chamber burials
Monday April 26, 2010 16:15 Eva Andersson Strand
16:06
16:03
[Comment From Lena PapazoglouLena Papazoglou: ]
Sorry for the late response but I was absorbed following the presentations of Eleni
Salavoura, Naya Sgouritsa and Helena Tomas. Thank you all for bringing so uch
into discussion. An update of the Early Bronze Age from the Mediterranean to the
Indus is to be found in ''Art of first Cities'' edited by Joan Aruz.
Monday April 26, 2010 16:06 Lena Papazoglou
[Comment From Lena PapazoglouLena Papazoglou: ]
Soru
Monday April 26, 2010 16:03 Lena Papazoglou
16:03
16:03
[Comment From Helena TomasHelena Tomas: ]
Dear Eva, you have just earned yourself an honorary doctorate in pronouncing
Balkan toponyms. I am sorry that I made it so difficult for you and that I was not
successful in recording my voice. Thank you. Thanks Kostaki and Oliveraki.
Monday April 26, 2010 16:03 Helena Tomas
[Comment From Cynthia ShelmerdineCynthia Shelmerdine: ]
@Helena: fascinating material and parallels, Helena. We will email soon about plans
for next fall
Monday April 26, 2010 16:03 Cynthia Shelmerdine
16:03
[Comment From Lena PapazoglouLena Papazoglou: ]
Sorry for the late response but I was absorbed following the presentations od Eleni
Salavoura, Naya Sgouritsa and Helena Tomas. Congratulations to all for bringing
forward new insights.
Monday April 26, 2010 16:03 Lena Papazoglou
16:03
[Comment From Ken WardleKen Wardle: ]
@Helena: have you reason to rule out the IA parallels? Some of the objects from
this fascinating hoard which you presented to us so clearly remind me of 9/7th
objects from Macedonian tombs.
Monday April 26, 2010 16:03 Ken Wardle
16:02
Kostas Paschalidis:
@Eleni: great to hear thae Mycenaean Attica still offers new material! I look
forward to meet you and discuss!
Monday April 26, 2010 16:02 Kostas Paschalidis
16:01
Kostas Paschalidis:
@Naya Sgouritsa: Thank you for sharing with us this new material from the
Mycenaean Saronic! I feel that there is much to be revealed in Lazarides in the
future expeditions of yours!
Monday April 26, 2010 16:01 Kostas Paschalidis
16:01
[Comment From Oliver DickinsonOliver Dickinson: ]
Well done, helena!
Monday April 26, 2010 16:01 Oliver Dickinson
16:01
[Comment From Joanne CutlerJoanne Cutler: ]
It was my pleasure, Naya - great to hear about such an interesting new site!
Monday April 26, 2010 16:01 Joanne Cutler
15:59
Kostas Paschalidis:
@Helena: Thank you for this unique opportunity to broaden the geographic frame to
the north-west! And such an accurate methodology and arguementation (as if you
were comparing scripts)! Puno hvala!
Monday April 26, 2010 15:59 Kostas Paschalidis
15:58
[Comment From Naya SgouritsaNaya Sgouritsa: ]
@Georg Nightingale: Thank you for offering your help in identifying the beads - I
will certainly need it!
Monday April 26, 2010 15:58 Naya Sgouritsa
15:56
[Comment From Naya SgouritsaNaya Sgouritsa: ]
@Georg Nightingale
Monday April 26, 2010 15:56 Naya Sgouritsa
15:56
[Comment From Naya SgouritsaNaya Sgouritsa: ]
Thank you Marie-Louise for the excellent organisation and Joanne for a great
reading!
Monday April 26, 2010 15:56 Naya Sgouritsa
15:56
[Comment From Eleni SalavouraEleni Salavoura: ]
@ Kostas Paschalidis: Thank you, Kostas! The razor from the Koukaki tomb, you
showed us on Thursday, is almost identical with one we have recently found in a
new LH cemetery in Spata!
Monday April 26, 2010 15:56 Eleni Salavoura
15:41
[Comment From Bernice JonesBernice Jones: ]
Carole – Thanks for your questions and sorry for the late response. Of course, the
more fabric, the more intricate weaving designs and the more dyed yarns all make
for a huge status statement. True, linen is more difficult to dye than wool, but linen
was dyed too - see imported dyed linen garments from Tutankhamun’s tomb that
I’ve discussed in Emporia 2005, 711-12.
Monday April 26, 2010 15:41 Bernice Jones
15:41
[Comment From Robert LaffineurRobert Laffineur: ]
To Eleni Salavoura: Thanks you for the additional information on dimensions. As
far as the specimen from Thorikos is concerned, I meant that it is probably the
earliest from the Greek mainland.
Monday April 26, 2010 15:41 Robert Laffineur
15:41
[Comment From Georg NightingaleGeorg Nightingale: ]
@Naya Sgouritsa: When looking at your slides of the glass and faience beads I
recognized several types. If you need some help for identifying these bead, I would
be happy to do so! (georg.nightingale@sbg.ac.at) Very nice and fascination paper!
Monday April 26, 2010 15:41 Georg Nightingale
15:36
15:35
[Comment From Eleni SalavouraEleni Salavoura: ]
@ Oliver Dickinson: You are absolutely right. I' ve used Wooley's publication
(1934), so I' m out of date. But thanks to you, the gap with the Early Cycladic
examples is almost inexistant . Many thanks!
Monday April 26, 2010 15:36 Eleni Salavoura
[Comment From Kalliope SarriKalliope Sarri: ]
Judit, thanks for your quick answer and for your excellent paper. We have to
investigate the case of gold jewellery as part of the clothes.
Monday April 26, 2010 15:35 Kalliope Sarri
15:35
[Comment From Eleni SalavouraEleni Salavoura: ]
@ Robert Laffineur: I also think that the ear-pick from the "oblong " of Thorikos is
the earliest example in southern Greece. But this one from the Archanes is, if not
earlier (MM III), of the same date (LM I). As it concerns the lenght, I think that earpicks of 6 or 7 cm length, it' really very difficult to be used as surgical instruments.
The Hellenistic-Roman ones, as this from Naurplion, are more than 30 cm. long.
Monday April 26, 2010 15:35 Eleni Salavoura
15:18
[Comment From Oliver DickinsonOliver Dickinson: ]
@ Eleni Salavoura: Nice paper, but dId I hear right? Did you date the Royal
Cemetery at Ur 3500-3200? I fear you must have been using an out-of-date source,
because that's most of a millennium too early. According to modern sources, they
are Early Dynastic III, which is datable c. 2600-2350 BC, much closer to the Aegean
EBA.
Monday April 26, 2010 15:18 Oliver Dickinson
15:18
[Comment From Judit LebegyevJudit Lebegyev: ]
@Kalliopi, the gold bands from grave 5 (92) in Argos were found at the left elbow
of the skeleton. In Grave Y in Grave Circle B the gold diadem was found by the left
shoulder of the adult female. i wll check for further examples.
Monday April 26, 2010 15:18 Judit Lebegyev
15:17
Kostas Paschalidis:
@Eleni: Excellent presentation and balance on such a doubious object!
Monday April 26, 2010 15:17 Kostas Paschalidis
15:15
[Comment From Robert LaffineurRobert Laffineur: ]
Very nice paper, Eleni. A gold "ear-pick" from Tholos tomb IV at Thorikos (the
"oblong tomb") is possibly the earliest specimen of the type (in the Piraeus
Museum). Is there a real difference in use according to the dimensions?
Monday April 26, 2010 15:15 Robert Laffineur
15:06
[Comment From Joanne CuterJoanne Cuter: ]
You're welcome, Judit - I enjoyed the paper very much.
Monday April 26, 2010 15:06 Joanne Cuter
15:06
[Comment From Judit LebegyevJudit Lebegyev: ]
@Kostas, thank you! Actually Angel's sex determinations are based on
morphological examination, thus nowadays are not considered reliable, but in this
case it is probable that he was right!
Monday April 26, 2010 15:06 Judit Lebegyev
15:06
[Comment From Petya HristovaPetya Hristova: ]
@ Judit Lebegyev: Thank you for your paper! A note of caution -- gender, funerary
attire, and age in burial contexts likely reflect assignment of symbolic meaning, see
Parker Pearson's. In any case, most grateful for your paper.
Monday April 26, 2010 15:06 Petya Hristova
15:06
[Comment From Vassiliki PliatsikaVassiliki Pliatsika: ]
do you know who will be reading my paper?
Monday April 26, 2010 15:06 Vassiliki Pliatsika
15:06
[Comment From Vassiliki PliatsikaVassiliki Pliatsika: ]
Dear prof. Nosch,
Monday April 26, 2010 15:06 Vassiliki Pliatsika
15:02
[Comment From Judit LebegyevJudit Lebegyev: ]
@Diana, interesting suggestion!, thank you!
Monday April 26, 2010 15:02 Judit Lebegyev
15:02
Marie-Louise Nosch:
@Annette Pohlke: No, it will not appear on your facebook, grant anyone access - it
only borrows your profile picture & name
Monday April 26, 2010 15:02 Marie-Louise Nosch
15:00
[Comment From Eleni SalavouraEleni Salavoura: ]
Good evening from Athens! Many thanks to Eva Andersson Strand for reading the
paper! I'll be happy to answer any questions and hear/ read suggestions.
Monday April 26, 2010 15:00 Eleni Salavoura
15:00
[Comment From Annette PohlkeAnnette Pohlke: ]
I didn't log in through my Facebook account, because I wouldn't wnat anything I
type here to appear on my Facebook page (and this is how I understood the
instructions). Did I get this wrong or not or would there be a way to switch off that
feature and just gte the picture?
Monday April 26, 2010 15:00 Annette Pohlke
15:00
[Comment From Judit LebegyevJudit Lebegyev: ]
Thank you Joanne again for your very nice reading, and for John for the
complement, until then I will send you an article I promised some time...:-)
Monday April 26, 2010 15:00 Judit Lebegyev
14:59
[Comment From Diana WardleDiana Wardle: ]
@Judit: I have often wondered if the bone pin (of this shape) in the 10 yr old grave
could be a writing stylus
Monday April 26, 2010 14:59 Diana Wardle
14:59
Kostas Paschalidis:
@ Judit: Thank you for your brilliant paper! The child's burial with mirror from the
XXI Agora tomb is mentioned by Angel (in a footnote) as belonging to a girl,
another interestig detail adding to your discussion.
Monday April 26, 2010 14:59 Kostas Paschalidis
14:58
[Comment From Lucia AlbertiLucia Alberti: ]
To Judith Lebegyev: very interesting paper! It's really the type of approach we need
in funerary archaeology! Well done!
Monday April 26, 2010 14:58 Lucia Alberti
14:56
John Younger:
Judit: wow! I can't wait to read this paper with its wealth of detail. Many thanks!
Monday April 26, 2010 14:56 John Younger
14:56
[Comment From Kalliope SarriKalliope Sarri: ]
to Judit and Jane. In Argos, tumulus E, grave 1 (Kaza plot) a gold diadem was
placed around the hands. Do you know any other diadems placed not near the head?
Monday April 26, 2010 14:56 Kalliope Sarri
14:55
[Comment From Bernice JonesBernice Jones: ]
Marie-Louise and John - Sorry for the late response - yes, of course pregnancy
would be addressed by these large garments. Thanks.
Monday April 26, 2010 14:55 Bernice Jones
14:53
Marie-Louise Nosch:
Dear all: If you want an avatar (a picture) and your name to appear, you can login
through Facebook or Twitter, read more here:
http://itmedia.hum.ku.dk/podcast/coveritlive/
Monday April 26, 2010 14:53 Marie-Louise Nosch
14:47
[Comment From Anaya SarpakiAnaya Sarpaki: ]
Thanks Judit!! I did not know about this method of sexing for the very
young...thanks again! I am enjoying your paper!
Monday April 26, 2010 14:47 Anaya Sarpaki
14:44
[Comment From Judit LebegyevJudit Lebegyev: ]
@Anaya, the skeleton is sexed by Terence Brown and his team with aDNA (by
polymerase chain reaction) method.
Monday April 26, 2010 14:44 Judit Lebegyev
14:41
[Comment From Vassiliki PliatsikaVassiliki Pliatsika: ]
test!
Monday April 26, 2010 14:41 Vassiliki Pliatsika
14:41
[Comment From Anaya SarpakiAnaya Sarpaki: ]
To Judit Lebegyev...Could you please let me how is a 2 year old boy sexed? Is this a
hypothesis or ?
Monday April 26, 2010 14:41 Anaya Sarpaki
14:41
[Comment From Bernice JonesBernice Jones: ]
Robert - Glad you liked my paper and thanks for the best news I've heard all year!
Bravo for continuing this wonderful work - I look forward to seeing you in Paris!
Monday April 26, 2010 14:41 Bernice Jones
14:41
[Comment From Sascha MauelSascha Mauel: ]
TO ALL: The "Guest" was me (see some comments below). I'll reboot now...
hoping to come back soon!
Monday April 26, 2010 14:41 Sascha Mauel
14:41
[Comment From Robert LaffineurRobert Laffineur: ]
To Jane Hickmann. Very precise technical observations and comments that make a
welcome contribution to the reconstruction of the processes of manufacture of
Protopalatial jewels and show obvious similarities with Early Helladic and Trojan
jewellery.
Monday April 26, 2010 14:41 Robert Laffineur
14:41
[Comment From Judit LebegyevJudit Lebegyev: ]
@Joanne thank you so much for reading my paper!!
Monday April 26, 2010 14:41 Judit Lebegyev
14:35
14:34
John Younger:
Jane: I'm impressed by a couple of parallels with the Aigina treasures. The FN
Amnissos pendant looks similar to a gold pendant in the EH III hoard, and the
Platanos pendant/s means of attachment & loop-in-loop chain look technically
identical to the jewels in the MM Aigina treasure. Many thanks!
Monday April 26, 2010 14:35 John Younger
[Comment From Sabine BeckmannSabine Beckmann: ]
@ Jane: The flower you show with the pendant came first to Crete in the 19th cent.
CE, alas .
Monday April 26, 2010 14:34 Sabine Beckmann
14:34
[Comment From GuestGuest: ]
To everybody: Since last Thursday am still having some unaccountable technology
problems with my laptop, causing my system to crash again and again. I'm trying to
fix this once for all, but may be off a while. In case any of you want to contact me
by e-mail, please do not hesitate. My addresse is: samau@web.de I'm off now,
hoping to re-connect as soon as possible!
Monday April 26, 2010 14:34 Guest
14:29
[Comment From Pietro MilitelloPietro Militello: ]
@Luca and Eva. "spool" is a simple shape that could be used in different periods for
different goals. The use in kiln is attested, e.g. in the archaic period, but the many
"spools" at the end of the Bronze Age are in context more coherent with a textile
use. Moreover, the fabric is not consistent with the presence in a high temperature
context
Monday April 26, 2010 14:29 Pietro Militello
14:29
[Comment From Pietro MilitelloPietro Militello: ]
@Valeria Lenuzza. La linea internet nel dip.to è saltata alla fine del tuo intervento.
Sono dovuto tornare a casa. cognratulazioni, bella ricostruzione. Perché non inserire
anche il sigillo da HTR CMR II,6,26?
Monday April 26, 2010 14:29 Pietro Militello
14:29
[Comment From Agnete LassenAgnete Lassen: ]
Thank you very much, Judith.
Monday April 26, 2010 14:29 Agnete Lassen
14:29
[Comment From Joann GulizioJoann Gulizio: ]
Marie-Louise, thank you so much for reading my paper. I hope you are well and
look forward to seeing you again.
Monday April 26, 2010 14:29 Joann Gulizio
14:21
Judith Weingarten:
@Agnete, the Near Eastern cylinders on MM Crete are detailed in Joan Aruz's
*Marks of Distinction* 90-99. They come from Platanos, Tylissos, Mochlos,
Arkhanes, and Knossos.
Monday April 26, 2010 14:21 Judith Weingarten
14:17
[Comment From Agnete LassenAgnete Lassen: ]
@Kopanias: Very stimulating paper! You only mentioned the MB seals. Perhaps
you could say a few words about them. What types of NE seals do you find in this
period? thanks.
Monday April 26, 2010 14:17 Agnete Lassen
14:17
[Comment From Bernice JonesBernice Jones: ]
Kostas - I'm sorry, too. Want you to know that your recording inspired me to spend
the whole weekend learning to make my own and much to my surprise - it worked!
Yes, miss you, too!
Monday April 26, 2010 14:17 Bernice Jones
14:15
Marie-Louise Nosch:
Test!
Monday April 26, 2010 14:15 Marie-Louise Nosch
14:13
Kostas Paschalidis:
@Peter: Thank you! e-mail me to let me know when you are coming!
Monday April 26, 2010 14:13 Kostas Paschalidis
14:13
[Comment From Agnete LassenAgnete Lassen: ]
Thank you very much. I look forward to looking at those references.
Monday April 26, 2010 14:13 Agnete Lassen
14:12
[Comment From Salvatore VitaleSalvatore Vitale: ]
Hello everybody! It is great for me to be able to attend the conference also on-line
from Italy. Thank you for the interesting papers and discussion. It is a great news
that the Aegaeum Series will continue in the future!
Monday April 26, 2010 14:12 Salvatore Vitale
14:12
[Comment From carole gilliscarole gillis: ]
to Konstantinos. Thank you for an interesting paper. Have you clustere by color,
motif, stone type, form?? is there anything significant in these parameters?
Monday April 26, 2010 14:12 carole gillis
14:12
[Comment From Jacke PhillipsJacke Phillips: ]
Konstantinos: Excellent paper! Focussing on just one object type has produced such
interesting results!
Monday April 26, 2010 14:12 Jacke Phillips
14:12
[Comment From Georg NightingaleGeorg Nightingale: ]
@Konstantinos KOPANIAS: A very interesting paper. I am fascinated by your
evidence for different uses of such seals during the same period.
Monday April 26, 2010 14:12 Georg Nightingale
14:12
John Younger:
Konstantinos: nice paper -- I hadn't realized the different deposition histories of the
cylinders (although I was of course aware that Mitannian cylinders seem to be
everywhere). How do you think the cylinders left their homelands??
Monday April 26, 2010 14:12 John Younger
14:12
[Comment From Marsia BealbyMarsia Bealby: ]
@Konstantinos, thank you for this very interesting and stimulating paper.
Monday April 26, 2010 14:12 Marsia Bealby
14:12
Kostas Paschalidis:
@Luca: I have just gone through the Kamilari reference. Thank you so much for
your kind suggestion!
Monday April 26, 2010 14:12 Kostas Paschalidis
14:11
Peter Pavuk:
Excelent job, Kostas! See you next week in Athens!
Monday April 26, 2010 14:11 Peter Pavuk
14:11
Kostas Paschalidis:
@ Bernice: I just now found some time to connect myself from the Museum! I am
so sorry I missed your paper! I hope to see you on your next visit in Athens. I am
sure you have presented a great study as you always do!
Monday April 26, 2010 14:11 Kostas Paschalidis
14:11
John Younger:
Marie-Louise: I was thinking the same thing: side-pleated skirt would be useful
during pregnancy.
Monday April 26, 2010 14:11 John Younger
14:04
[Comment From Bernice JonesBernice Jones: ]
Thank you, Agnete Lassen - You can see my reconstructions of flounced skirts and
kilts in Archaeology 2000, Potnia 2001, Metron 2003, and Emporia 2005.
Monday April 26, 2010 14:04 Bernice Jones
13:59
[Comment From Bernice JonesBernice Jones: ]
Many thanks to all of you for your wonderful comments. For further discussion,
please email me at: bjones2@ringling.edu
Monday April 26, 2010 13:59 Bernice Jones
13:56
13:56
[Comment From Eva Andersson StrandEva Andersson Strand: ]
We have done weaving experiments with spools, 100 g and ca 280 g. Both set-ups
functioned perfect (thereby not said that they also could have been used for
something else) The experimental reports are availableat CTR if someone wants to
know more about the details.
Monday April 26, 2010 13:56 Eva Andersson Strand
[Comment From Georg NightingaleGeorg Nightingale: ]
Liebe Marie-Louise! Ich habe Dir einige Bilder per e-mail geschickt.
Monday April 26, 2010 13:56 Georg Nightingale
13:56
[Comment From Georg NightingaleGeorg Nightingale: ]
Liebe Marie-Louise!
Monday April 26, 2010 13:56 Georg Nightingale
13:52
[Comment From Agnete LassenAgnete Lassen: ]
It was great to see reconstronctions of the flounced skirt! Thank you very much.
Monday April 26, 2010 13:52 Agnete Lassen
13:49
13:49
[Comment From Diana WardleDiana Wardle: ]
@Bernice: A really nice paper and presentation - and thank you to the readers who
are doing a fantastic job with other people's words and helping to make them so
interesting.
Monday April 26, 2010 13:49 Diana Wardle
[Comment From Janice CrowleyJanice Crowley: ]
Thank you, Berenice. I'm glad to see this skirt given recognition.
Monday April 26, 2010 13:49 Janice Crowley
13:49
Marie-Louise Nosch:
Bernice, the pleated skirt would also be usefull with pregnancies
Monday April 26, 2010 13:49 Marie-Louise Nosch
13:48
ashlarblocks:
Louise: @Bernice: fascinating paper - lots of great information.
Monday April 26, 2010 13:48 ashlarblocks
13:48
John Younger:
Nice paper (& presentation), Bernice!
Monday April 26, 2010 13:48 John Younger
13:48
[Comment From Bernice JonesBernice Jones: ]
Many thanks, Luca, for the reference.
Monday April 26, 2010 13:48 Bernice Jones
13:47
Judith Weingarten:
Bernice, this is seriously new. Much to think about now. Thank you so much.
Monday April 26, 2010 13:47 Judith Weingarten
13:47
[Comment From Robert LaffineurRobert Laffineur: ]
A great paper, Bernice, showing the "Bunte Götter" of the Aegean Bronze Age.
Monday April 26, 2010 13:47 Robert Laffineur
13:47
[Comment From carole gilliscarole gillis: ]
to bernice--Thank yu for this. two questions: do you think that the complicaetd skirt
with side pleats instead of a simple sarong is a status statement---i can afford a lot of
unnecessary textile cloth? Second: how dificult ndhow likely is it tht the colorful
and variegated skirts would be made of linen? I thought linen was quite difficult to
dye--? Big status statement??
Monday April 26, 2010 13:47 carole gillis
13:44
[Comment From Luca GirellaLuca Girella: ]
@Berenice: I thinkyou can add also the MM IIB groups of nice polychrome
Kamares figurines found at Haghia Triada in 1991, probably part of a circular
model, and preliminary published in Kritiki Estia 1991-1993 by La Rosa.
Monday April 26, 2010 13:44 Luca Girella
13:42
[Comment From Sascha MauelSascha Mauel: ]
@Kostas Kopanias: Geia sou Kosta... krima pou den mporousame na synantithoume
stin Kopeghagi. Tha 'thela na sou deixo polla pragmata stin "poli mou"! Well, see
you in Athens another day, instead. Looking forward to see/hear your paper in a
second...
Monday April 26, 2010 13:42 Sascha Mauel
13:32
[Comment From Sascha MauelSascha Mauel: ]
@malgorzata: thank you for your comment. Though I never happened to meet
Lorenz in person, I know his 2008 article. Will be glad to check out other papers of
his on this matter. However, as the function of spools really are a problem/issue on
its own (same goes for the pierced clay discs), I prefere to focus on spindle whorls
and loom weights in the first place.
Monday April 26, 2010 13:32 Sascha Mauel
13:30
[Comment From Elizabeth ShankElizabeth Shank: ]
Bernice: Great job with the voice over. The presentation is very clear.
Monday April 26, 2010 13:30 Elizabeth Shank
13:30
13:28
[Comment From Carlos VariasCarlos Varias: ]
To Joann (if you are on-line): Thank you very much for this extraordinary paper,
which such an accurate analysis of te-o-po-ri-ja; I like a lot. Actually, I dealt with
this term very briefly (because of the space available) in the proceedings of a
Spanish conference, and in a Greek conference (it's a pity we didn't meet us at
Copenhagen). One question: is it possible to think in two different festivals, or
better, two celebrations, in different times, of the same festival te-o-po-ri-ja, given
the unespecific name of this festival? Also I wonder if the tablets from the Area of
the Clay Signet are all contemporary to those of the North West Passage. Another
point are the hands: it could be in favour of your hypothesis the fact that Ga 1058 is
in hand 135, who seems to be connected with scribe 103, the author of Od 696 (I've
lost if you have mention this fact).
Monday April 26, 2010 13:30 Carlos Varias
[Comment From Sascha MauelSascha Mauel: ]
@Peter: Vielen Dank. looking forward to your email...
Monday April 26, 2010 13:28 Sascha Mauel
13:27
[Comment From Sascha MauelSascha Mauel: ]
@Diana & Luca: That is also my experience with the spools from Kastanas. They
are probably too badly fired to resist stacking of any kind of objects. This is also the
very same reason why spools (as well as any other poorly fired clay objects, like
most of the Bronze and Iron Age loom weights) would not have resisted a function
as net sinks or weight (which has been discussed): they would simply - and very
quickly indeed! - have been dissolved in the water.
Monday April 26, 2010 13:27 Sascha Mauel
13:27
[Comment From Mary Jane CuylerMary Jane Cuyler: ]
Joann, really interesting! I will call you soon to discuss.
Monday April 26, 2010 13:27 Mary Jane Cuyler
13:26
[Comment From Bernice JonesBernice Jones: ]
Many thanks to John Younger and Alison Watkins for showing me how to make this
recording!
Monday April 26, 2010 13:26 Bernice Jones
13:25
[Comment From Janice CrowleyJanice Crowley: ]
Joan, Thank you, Sorry to miss you at KOSMOS.
Monday April 26, 2010 13:25 Janice Crowley
13:25
[Comment From Cynthia ShelmerdineCynthia Shelmerdine: ]
nice paper Joann. Looking forward to seeing you in Pylos again
Monday April 26, 2010 13:25 Cynthia Shelmerdine
13:25
[Comment From Robert LaffineurRobert Laffineur: ]
Thank you very much, Marie-Louise, for reading Joann's paper, in addition to the
many tasks and responsabilities you have in running this session.
Monday April 26, 2010 13:25 Robert Laffineur
13:24
Peter Pavuk:
Hi Sascha, gut gemacht! I will send you an email later on.
Monday April 26, 2010 13:24 Peter Pavuk
13:23
13:19
[Comment From malgorzata siennickamalgorzata siennicka: ]
@ Sascha Mauel – There are also clay cylinders (spools) at LH IIIC Tiryns. You
may be familiar with the papers of Lorenz Rahmstorf who discussed LBA spools
from the Aegean and Eastern Mediterranean as possible loom weights: in
‘Perifereia’ from 2003 and Karageorghis&Matthäus 2005. He discussed the spools
also in Tiryns XVI (Rahmstorf 2008).
Monday April 26, 2010 13:23 malgorzata siennicka
[Comment From Diana WardleDiana Wardle: ]
@Luca: The Macedonian spools I have handled are too poorly fired to survive use in
a kiln or as fishing weights
Monday April 26, 2010 13:19 Diana Wardle
13:16
13:14
[Comment From Sascha MauelSascha Mauel: ]
@Luca: If you by 'stacking support' mean some sort of spacers, in order to stack
pottery etc. infront of an oven before firing them, I have to confess that my
knowledge of firing clay objects in open spaces is poor. (i.e. regarding ovens much
unlike the case with modern exemplares). But you may have got an idea there...!?
Let's ask any potter in the audience
Monday April 26, 2010 13:16 Sascha Mauel
[Comment From Robert LaffineurRobert Laffineur: ]
To Loeta. Nice to see that you are with us again.
Monday April 26, 2010 13:14 Robert Laffineur
13:11
[Comment From Loeta TyreeLoeta Tyree: ]
@Valeria: Enjoyed your paper. I have lots of related questions that obviously can
not be asked now.
Monday April 26, 2010 13:11 Loeta Tyree
13:09
[Comment From Valeria LenuzzaValeria Lenuzza: ]
@ Bernice: thank you so much for the reference.
Monday April 26, 2010 13:09 Valeria Lenuzza
13:08
[Comment From Mary Jane CuylerMary Jane Cuyler: ]
Joann, are you there?
Monday April 26, 2010 13:08 Mary Jane Cuyler
13:06
[Comment From Sascha MauelSascha Mauel: ]
@Petya: thanks a lot. I'll check it out... ;-)
Monday April 26, 2010 13:06 Sascha Mauel
13:06
[Comment From Luca GirellaLuca Girella: ]
Hi Sascha! I liked your paper. Sorry for the delay I was listening to Valeria. As for
the bobbins and the picture you showed, it was very fast slide. Have you consider
the possibility that these could have been used for pottery production as stacking
supports? I am sure I am wrong.
Monday April 26, 2010 13:06 Luca Girella
13:06
[Comment From Bernice JonesBernice Jones: ]
Interesting Paper, Valeria - For your interest, you might want to look at my paper in
Metron 2003, "Veils and Mantles: An Investigation of the Construction and
Function of the Costumes of the Veiled Dancer from Thera and the Camp Stool
Banqueter from Knossos."
Monday April 26, 2010 13:06 Bernice Jones
13:04
[Comment From Janice CrowleyJanice Crowley: ]
Valeria, Thank you. Much to think about.
Monday April 26, 2010 13:04 Janice Crowley
13:03
[Comment From Petya HristovaPetya Hristova: ]
@ Sacha: Fol, A., and R. Schmitt (2000) A Linear A Text on a Clay Reel ...
Praehistorische Zeitschrift 75:56-62
Monday April 26, 2010 13:03 Petya Hristova
13:03
[Comment From Robert LaffineurRobert Laffineur: ]
To Malgorzata Siennicke. And a pleasure for me to meet you after missing you in
Copenhagen
Monday April 26, 2010 13:03 Robert Laffineur
13:02
13:01
[Comment From Sascha MauelSascha Mauel: ]
@Ken Wardle: Thanks for adding your Assiros finds (which, of course, are in fact
"your wifes" textile tools!). I am very well aware of the parallels, and I have refered
to them in my MA thesis. By the way: I am very much looking forward to seeing
you next week in Thessaloniki, at the Forging Identities seminary with Kostas
Kotsakis....
Monday April 26, 2010 13:02 Sascha Mauel
Marie-Louise Nosch:
Great paper, thank you Valeria.
Monday April 26, 2010 13:01 Marie-Louise Nosch
12:58
12:58
[Comment From Ken WardleKen Wardle: ]
With reference to looms in Macedonia - Assiros hgas good parallels for Kastanas in
both weights and spools, while the loom in situ
(http://artsweb.bham.ac.uk/aha/kaw/assiros/assirosialoom.htm#recon) has post holes
as well as 16 weights.
Monday April 26, 2010 12:58 Ken Wardle
[Comment From malgorzata siennickamalgorzata siennicka: ]
@Robert Laffineur - It will be an honour for me! :-)
Monday April 26, 2010 12:58 malgorzata siennicka
12:58
[Comment From Ken WardleKen Wardle: ]
Congratulations to all on this triumph of technology over tephra.
Monday April 26, 2010 12:58 Ken Wardle
12:54
ashlarblocks:
Louise H: Yes, very exciting news to know that the Aegean conferences & the series
will continue!
Monday April 26, 2010 12:54 ashlarblocks
12:54
12:54
[Comment From Sascha MauelSascha Mauel: ]
@Petya: Thank you for mentioning the LH IIIC spool. I believe I've come across
this spool several years ago (when I still wasn't very much into textile studies), but
the find sounds familiar. Maybe you could find me a reference, so that I can look it
up once more?
Monday April 26, 2010 12:54 Sascha Mauel
[Comment From Marsia BealbyMarsia Bealby: ]
PHYSIS is a very inspiring topic for the 14th conference.
Monday April 26, 2010 12:54 Marsia Bealby
12:54
[Comment From Robert LaffineurRobert Laffineur: ]
To Malgorzata Siennicka. Thanks. You'll be the first on the list.
Monday April 26, 2010 12:54 Robert Laffineur
12:50
[Comment From malgorzata siennickamalgorzata siennicka: ]
@Robert Laffineur – Great news about the next Aegaeum conference! I like the
subject very much!
Monday April 26, 2010 12:50 malgorzata siennicka
12:47
[Comment From Sascha MauelSascha Mauel: ]
@Fotis: Of course! 301.. the library at the A.Π.Θ. Now I clearly see you infront of
my inner eye! How nice meeting you here again....
Monday April 26, 2010 12:47 Sascha Mauel
12:46
Marie-Louise Nosch:
We are approximately 10 minutes behind schedule due to technical problems at the
start of streaming.
Monday April 26, 2010 12:46 Marie-Louise Nosch
12:44
[Comment From petya hristovapetya hristova: ]
@ Sascha Mauel: Fol and Schmitt publish a spool / clay reel / Tonspule from
Drama, Yambol (BG) with Linear A (or a combination of Linears) inscription; a
stray find, but dated to LH IIIC.
Monday April 26, 2010 12:44 petya hristova
12:43
[Comment From Valeria LenuzzaValeria Lenuzza: ]
@ Henriette: thank you a lot for reading my paper.
Monday April 26, 2010 12:43 Valeria Lenuzza
12:42
12:41
[Comment From Robert LaffineurRobert Laffineur: ]
Contrary to what some of you were thinking, this is not the last conference in the
series. It is true that I'll retire at the end of September. But I'll keep some facilities
here and I'll be pleased to go on with the Rencontres egeennes, as well as with the
Aegaeum series. The next meeting (the 14th conference) will take place in Paris in
April 2012, as a joint organization by the University of Paris I Pantheon Sorbonne
and the University of Liege. Gilles Touchais will be our host, on the topic PHYSIS.
L' environnement naturel et la relation homme-milieu dans le monde egeen
protohistorique. The exact form is not yet decided, but it will probably be inspired
by the Kosmos model and associate physical presence and on line participation, so
that colleagues who would not be able to attend will have the possibility to
participate on the Web. Information and call for papers will be posted in the next
months.
Monday April 26, 2010 12:42 Robert Laffineur
[Comment From Fotis IfantidisFotis Ifantidis: ]
@Sascha: 301 equals to the archaeology's dpt library...
Monday April 26, 2010 12:41 Fotis Ifantidis
12:40
[Comment From Sascha MauelSascha Mauel: ]
@Fotis: Thank you for your congratulations. Se thymamai, nomizo... an kai den
echo idea pou itane ("exo apo to 301"?)...
Monday April 26, 2010 12:40 Sascha Mauel
12:40
[Comment From Robert LaffineurRobert Laffineur: ]
A keyboard problem, apparently, in my announcement of the next Aegean
conference. Sorry for this. I'll send a corrected version in the next minutes.
Monday April 26, 2010 12:40 Robert Laffineur
12:38
[Comment From Sascha MauelSascha Mauel: ]
Thank you Marie-Louise. Obviously it was a little confusing, but I'll do my very
best to sort out any misunderstandings in the article...
Monday April 26, 2010 12:38 Sascha Mauel
12:36
[Comment From Sascha MauelSascha Mauel: ]
Thanks you so much, Eva, for reading my paper. I really appreciate your assistance.
Tack så mycket!
Monday April 26, 2010 12:36 Sascha Mauel
12:35
12:35
[Comment From Fotis IfantidisFotis Ifantidis: ]
@Sascha: Sigharitiria Sascha kai kali synecheia me to phD. Eihame prin hronia mia
mikri sizitisi exo apo to 301 –sou eiha dosei kapoies plirofories gia ta spinningrelated M.A.s at AUTh. Best.
Monday April 26, 2010 12:35 Fotis Ifantidis
[Comment From Robert LaffineurRobert Laffineur: ]
Thanks a lot, Eva, for reading Sascha Mauel's paper
Monday April 26, 2010 12:35 Robert Laffineur
12:35
[Comment From pietromilitellopietromilitello: ]
very interesting material. Have you found post-holes in the floor with groups of
loom-weights that can be considered part of the loom installations?
Monday April 26, 2010 12:35 pietromilitello
12:35
Marie-Louise Nosch:
Great paper Sasha! You have gathered very much material and solid conclusions
Monday April 26, 2010 12:35 Marie-Louise Nosch
12:33
[Comment From Robert LaffineurRobert Laffineur: ]
Including a selection of the online comments is certainly possible -and desirable.
This is a hard editorial job, however.
Monday April 26, 2010 12:33 Robert Laffineur
12:33
[Comment From Robert LaffineurRobert Laffineur: ]
I agree on your wish, Jan, to have on line meetings happen more aften (a similar
wish expressed by Judith earlier on the chat). Contrary to what some of you were
thinking, this is not the last conference in the series. It is true that I’ll retire at the
end of September. But I’ll keep some facilities here and I’ll be pleased to go on with
the Rencontres égéennes, as well as with the Aegaeum series. The next meeting (the
14th conference) will take place in Paris in April 2012, as a joint organization by the
University of Paris I – Panthéon Sorbonne and the University of Liège. Gilles
Touchais will be our host, on the topic PHYSIS. L’environnement naturel et la
relation homme-milieu dans le monde égéen protohistorique. The exact form is not
yet decided, but it will probably be inspired by the Kosmos model and associate
physical presence and on line participation, so that colleagues who would not be
able to attend will have the possibility to participate on the Web. Information and
call for papers will be posted in the next months.
Monday April 26, 2010 12:33 Robert Laffineur
12:28
Marie-Louise Nosch:
I think we will mainly have the on-line comments and questions available
electronicaly, but it is of course up to Robert to decide what will be published.
Monday April 26, 2010 12:28 Marie-Louise Nosch
12:26
ashlarblocks:
Louise: I hope you're able to include a selection of the online comments as well.
Monday April 26, 2010 12:26 ashlarblocks
12:22
12:18
[Comment From Janice CrowleyJanice Crowley: ]
Hello from Atlanta, USA. Glad to know that you will include an essay on the
technical aspects of KOSMOS in the publication. It would be good for this to
happen more often (I mean planned, not because of a volcano).
Monday April 26, 2010 12:22 Janice Crowley
Marie-Louise Nosch:
Great to have you all here with us!
Monday April 26, 2010 12:18 Marie-Louise Nosch
12:18
[Comment From Janice CrowleyJanice Crowley: ]
Hello from Atlanta, USA.
Monday April 26, 2010 12:18 Janice Crowley
12:18
[Comment From Cynthia ShelmerdineCynthia Shelmerdine: ]
Hi everyone, checking in from Austin Texas-Monday April 26, 2010 12:18 Cynthia Shelmerdine
12:16
Marie-Louise Nosch:
Dear Judit, yes we have you updated version and Jo will read it for you
Monday April 26, 2010 12:16 Marie-Louise Nosch
12:15
[Comment From Neculai BolohanNeculai Bolohan: ]
Hello again from sunny Romania !
Monday April 26, 2010 12:15 Neculai Bolohan
12:12
Helena Tomas:
Yes, it is like Copenhagen does not want me! :-( Marta told me that I am not allowed
to plan to go to Copenhagen when she is going, since something always goes wrong.
Monday April 26, 2010 12:12 Helena Tomas
12:11
[Comment From Sascha MauelSascha Mauel: ]
Good morning from Cologne. I'm on the chat, and I will try to answer any of your
questions...
Monday April 26, 2010 12:11 Sascha Mauel
12:11
Marie-Louise Nosch:
HI Helena, yes, it is really mysterious, I wonder what will hapen next time we
invite? Tsunami?
Monday April 26, 2010 12:11 Marie-Louise Nosch
12:10
12:08
Helena Tomas:
Thank you! How efficient you are. Great to hear your voice in the background,
Marie-Louise! This is the second time that I did not make it to Copenhagen due to
weather conditions (you remember my cancelled flight three years ago?) and that is
really annoying. I will be there on the very next possible occasion.
Monday April 26, 2010 12:10 Helena Tomas
Marie-Louise Nosch:
Commercial break is over!
Monday April 26, 2010 12:08 Marie-Louise Nosch
12:08
[Comment From Judit LebegyevJudit Lebegyev: ]
Greetings from sunny The Hague! @Marie Louise, have you received my (updated)
presentation (text+PPT)?
Monday April 26, 2010 12:08 Judit Lebegyev
12:08
[Comment From Annette PohlkeAnnette Pohlke: ]
/me applauds.
Monday April 26, 2010 12:08 Annette Pohlke
12:08
12:08
[Comment From Robert LaffineurRobert Laffineur: ]
The proceedings volumes will include an introduction, of course, that will explain
the reasons of having an on line Kosmos conference, and that will comment on the
technical aspects as well.
Monday April 26, 2010 12:08 Robert Laffineur
Ida Demant:
for more information on workshop you can also contact ida@sagnlandet.dk :-)
Monday April 26, 2010 12:08 Ida Demant
12:06
Helena Tomas:
Eva, where is that workshop going to take place? I did not hear?
Monday April 26, 2010 12:06 Helena Tomas
12:06
Marie-Louise Nosch:
These nice men are our techicians, not textile researchers!
Monday April 26, 2010 12:06 Marie-Louise Nosch
12:06
[Comment From Katherina AslanidouKatherina Aslanidou: ]
Good morning from Sharjah!
Monday April 26, 2010 12:06 Katherina Aslanidou
12:06
[Comment From Annette PohlkeAnnette Pohlke: ]
Ha! Finally! What is an online event without some technical difficulties. :)
Monday April 26, 2010 12:06 Annette Pohlke
12:05
[Comment From Luca GirellaLuca Girella: ]
good morning from Sicily!
Monday April 26, 2010 12:05 Luca Girella
12:05
[Comment From Marsia BealbyMarsia Bealby: ]
Good morning from Marsia and University of Birmingham UK. I am looking
forward to today's papers.
Monday April 26, 2010 12:05 Marsia Bealby
12:04
Sophia Vakirtzi:
Thank you for this commercial !
Monday April 26, 2010 12:04 Sophia Vakirtzi
12:04
Marie-Louise Nosch:
We have a little technical problem - so Eva makes a commercial break for you. we
will be back in a minute!
Monday April 26, 2010 12:04 Marie-Louise Nosch
12:03
Angelos Papadopoulos:
Hello Dr. Dickinson, good to "hear" from you...
Monday April 26, 2010 12:03 Angelos Papadopoulos
12:02
ashlarblocks:
Louise Hitchcock: Good-Evening from Melbourne
Monday April 26, 2010 12:02 ashlarblocks
12:01
[Comment From Oliver DickinsonOliver Dickinson: ]
Morning, Helena, Angelos, everyone. the suspense is building ...
Monday April 26, 2010 12:01 Oliver Dickinson
12:01
12:01
[Comment From pietromilitellopietromilitello: ]
@Marie Louise and Robert. Still congratulations for the successful conference. I
also agree with Pohlke. this conference opened new perspectives, and would affect
our way of organising in the future. How was the experience for those in
Copenhagen?
Monday April 26, 2010 12:01 pietromilitello
[Comment From malgorzata siennickamalgorzata siennicka: ]
Hello from sunny Warsaw!
Monday April 26, 2010 12:01 malgorzata siennicka
12:01
[Comment From Carlos VariasCarlos Varias: ]
To Marie-Louise: Good morning from hot Barcelona (21 degrees, summer weather
(too early in the year)!). I'm back to hear sessions today. Thanks a lot again to all of
you CTR.
Monday April 26, 2010 12:01 Carlos Varias
12:01
Peter Pavuk:
Greetings from Heidelberg!
Monday April 26, 2010 12:01 Peter Pavuk
12:00
Marie-Louise Nosch:
The latest programme is now updated and available at the CTR website
Monday April 26, 2010 12:00 Marie-Louise Nosch
11:59
Helena Tomas:
Good morning to everyone!
Monday April 26, 2010 11:59 Helena Tomas
11:59
Angelos Papadopoulos:
Kalimera from Athens! Have a great fourth Day!
Monday April 26, 2010 11:59 Angelos Papadopoulos
11:58
[Comment From Oliver DickinsonOliver Dickinson: ]
Found the programme; I expected it to be on this page. Okay, settled in and all eyes
and ears.
Monday April 26, 2010 11:58 Oliver Dickinson
11:58
[Comment From Annette PohlkeAnnette Pohlke: ]
@Fritz @Robert Now some will have both expereinces: Being at Copenhagen and
being there from where the Conference was broadcasted and participating over the
internet. Makes an interesting comparison.
Monday April 26, 2010 11:58 Annette Pohlke
11:56
[Comment From Annette PohlkeAnnette Pohlke: ]
@Marie-Louise It would be great if not just the usual proceedings of the conference
will be published eventualls, but also if you would publish why you choose to take
the evnt online, how you did it, how people liked it, waht everyone saw as
advanatges and disadvantages. I think good usecases like this can help a lot to
establish good practice and to inspire people to make good use of digital
technologies and the internet. I'd be extremely interested to learn a little more about
the technical side of this event, if possible including the question how feasable it
would be for universities to stream conferences more frequently.
Monday April 26, 2010 11:56 Annette Pohlke
11:54
11:47
[Comment From Robert LaffineurRobert Laffineur: ]
Good morning Copenhagen and good morning to all Kosmos attendants in the world
(the Kosmo-nauts, to take Judith’s nice designation). The conference is now getting
to its end and we have to express our thanks again to the CTR team and to the staff
of the computer services at the University of Copenhagen for having made that great
and successful event possible. I’m back in the country that is called Belgium (for
how long?), but I’m with you on the Web, sitting at my desk at the University and
ready to listen to the last set of papers.
Monday April 26, 2010 11:54 Robert Laffineur
[Comment From Marie-Louise NoschMarie-Louise Nosch: ]
No, todays event is posted on the CTR website
Monday April 26, 2010 11:47 Marie-Louise Nosch
11:47
[Comment From Fotis IfantidisFotis Ifantidis: ]
Is the final program for today the one sent through AEGEANET?
Monday April 26, 2010 11:47 Fotis Ifantidis
11:45
[Comment From Fotis IfantidisFotis Ifantidis: ]
@Marie-Louise
Monday April 26, 2010 11:45 Fotis Ifantidis
11:45
[Comment From Jenny Wilson, AustraliaJenny Wilson, Australia: ]
Thank you Marie-Louise, Robert and all the technical team for a wonderful effort,
and a most interesting conference. I look forward to today
Monday April 26, 2010 11:45 Jenny Wilson, Australia
11:45
[Comment From Jenny Wilson, AustraliaJenny Wilson, Australia: ]
Thank you Marie-Louise, Robert and all the technical team for a wonderful effort,
and a most interesting conference. I look forward to today
Monday April 26, 2010 11:45 Jenny Wilson, Australia
11:45
[Comment From Sabine BeckmannSabine Beckmann: ]
Good morning from Crete north-east, where the air is dusty from olives in full
bloom.
Monday April 26, 2010 11:45 Sabine Beckmann
11:44
Marie-Louise Nosch:
Test
Monday April 26, 2010 11:44 Marie-Louise Nosch
11:41
[Comment From Annette PohlkeAnnette Pohlke: ]
Good morning from Berlin.
Monday April 26, 2010 11:41 Annette Pohlke
11:40
[Comment From Marie-Louise NoschMarie-Louise Nosch: ]
Hello everybody! We hope you had a nice weekend. Loking forward to your
comments and questions!
Monday April 26, 2010 11:40 Marie-Louise Nosch
11:40
[Comment From Katherina AslanidouKatherina Aslanidou: ]
Good morning everyone! I am looking forward to today's papers :-)
Monday April 26, 2010 11:40 Katherina Aslanidou
11:37
Sophia Vakirtzi:
Good morning from a windy Athens. I like the "stand by mode" music. What is it ?
Monday April 26, 2010 11:37 Sophia Vakirtzi
10:37
[Comment From FritzFritz: ]
Hello "KOSMOS"! I am back at Vienna. Thank you, Marie-Louise and Robert, for
these wonderful days at Copenhagen. And good luck for the last conference day!
Monday April 26, 2010 10:37 Fritz
10:26
Itmedia:
Hej så er vi online
Monday April 26, 2010 10:26 Itmedia
11:33
Itmedia:
...sunday testing
Sunday April 25, 2010 11:33 Itmedia
19:59
Itmedia:
Service message: Chat taken out of standby-mode, and comments approved...
(Annette P, ITMEDIA)
Saturday April 24, 2010 19:59 Itmedia
19:58
19:58
[Comment From Florica MatauFlorica Matau: ]
To Salvatore Vitale: The same association Naue II sword and spearhead can be
found north of the Balkans, in the Lower Danube region. If you are interested on I
can send you more details.
Saturday April 24, 2010 19:58 Florica Matau
[Comment From Alexandra AlexandriAlexandra Alexandri: ]
Good night (or morning depending on time zone) all! See you on Monday!
Saturday April 24, 2010 19:58 Alexandra Alexandri
19:58
19:58
[Comment From Alexandra AlexandriAlexandra Alexandri: ]
@Judith: I don’t know of a sword that has just one use, even if it needs a primary
technique to be effective. In battle you would not only thrust but also cut and
perhaps even hit. You can certainly thrust a scimitar into someone if needed (i.e.
your life depended on it and that was your only angle).
Saturday April 24, 2010 19:58 Alexandra Alexandri
[Comment From Florica MatauFlorica Matau: ]
Congratulations to Marie Louise and all extraordinary people from CTR . Thank you
so much for another incredible day.
Saturday April 24, 2010 19:58 Florica Matau
19:58
[Comment From Efi TSItsaEfi TSItsa: ]
Wonderful papers! Thank you all. Goodnight from Crete!
Saturday April 24, 2010 19:58 Efi TSItsa
19:58
[Comment From Kate HarrellKate Harrell: ]
@Judith: My stepfather is a woodworker, and many of his tools are older than he is-literally heirlooms. He oils them and takes care of the wooden handles. It seems
perfectly reasonable in the normal caretaking of a sword to sharpen the edges, even
of a thrusting sword.
Saturday April 24, 2010 19:58 Kate Harrell
19:58
[Comment From Anaya SarpakiAnaya Sarpaki: ]
Thank you for your stamina and this addition of a memorable day....Goodnight from
Crete
Saturday April 24, 2010 19:58 Anaya Sarpaki
19:58
[Comment From Anaya SarpakiAnaya Sarpaki: ]
To Marcia Nugent...Thank you for your paper and the subject so close to my
heart...Regarding reeds though I said that Arundo is used as windbreaks now-a-days
but there is no way of knowing whether it was the same in Prehistory...possibly
though...
Saturday April 24, 2010 19:58 Anaya Sarpaki
19:58
[Comment From Cynthia ShelmerdineCynthia Shelmerdine: ]
Astonishing indeed! Many thanks, goodbye to all until monday
Saturday April 24, 2010 19:58 Cynthia Shelmerdine
19:57
[Comment From Kate HarrellKate Harrell: ]
@Alexandra--I've noticed this phenomenon too. I think it's interesting how standard
"tools" are actually quite important to people, I think because they become a part of
a person's hands. I studied a few BA/EIA sickles and they are usually over-worn on
one side, like they were used in the same way for many years. They really become a
person's hands and are filled with significance
Saturday April 24, 2010 19:57 Kate Harrell
19:57
[Comment From Danai KontopodiDanai Kontopodi: ]
Many congratulations to the organizers and participants. Thank you so much for the
livestream and the very interesting presentations.
Saturday April 24, 2010 19:57 Danai Kontopodi
19:52
19:51
[Standby] The chat is back online monday
Itmedia:
...
Saturday April 24, 2010 19:51 Itmedia
19:45
Annette Borrell:
Sleep tight:-)
Friday April 23, 2010 19:45 Annette Borrell
19:41
John Younger:
I agree -- I've been here since the beginning -- 3 in the morning! I'm going to take a
nap! Thank you everyone for a great 3 days!: organizers, participants, tech crew !!
Friday April 23, 2010 19:41 John Younger
19:40
Annette Borrell:
Thanks - and you too:-)
Friday April 23, 2010 19:40 Annette Borrell
19:39
malgorzata siennicka:
Thank you very much for this day! Have a nice evening in Copenhagen and else!
Friday April 23, 2010 19:39 malgorzata siennicka
19:39
Judith Weingarten:
Well, naturally you're all tired. I'm pooped ... and I've done nothing but sit at my
desk today. Thanks so much for another incredible day!
Friday April 23, 2010 19:39 Judith Weingarten
19:38
ashlarblocks:
Louise: Thanks again to the organizers for bringing us together again. Good night
from Melbourne.
Friday April 23, 2010 19:38 ashlarblocks
19:38
[Comment From Katherina AslanidouKatherina Aslanidou: ]
It was another day of great and inspiring papers. I am looking forward to the papers
on Monday :)
Friday April 23, 2010 19:38 Katherina Aslanidou
19:38
Jane Johnsen:
There was a little technical problem in the last presentation. We apologize for this.
Friday April 23, 2010 19:38 Jane Johnsen
19:37
Judith Weingarten:
Interesting, Alexandra, that you would spend time sharpening the edges of a
thrusting sword. It's not a scimitar, is it?
Friday April 23, 2010 19:37 Judith Weingarten
19:37
[Comment From Julie HrubyJulie Hruby: ]
@Kate: re. boar tusk, email me a mailing address at hrubyj@berea.edu.
Friday April 23, 2010 19:37 Julie Hruby
19:34
[Comment From Alexandra AlexandriAlexandra Alexandri: ]
@Katherine Harrell: the interesting thing is that the same kind of attitude seems to
exist with modern weapons. Soldiers will modify their rifles in order for them to be
weighed anf sighted correctly etc. and it seems, unlike in movies, they don’t just
grab the first gun in sight and fire. Perhaps there is also another analogy in the time
spent taking care of a weapon used frequently: cleaning a sword, sharpening the
edges etc.
Friday April 23, 2010 19:34 Alexandra Alexandri
19:32
[Comment From Marsia BealbyMarsia Bealby: ]
@Marcia, Beautiful paper. It made me recall the waz-lilly pendant from Knossos
palace. A combination of lilly and papyrus plant. It 'mixed and matched' Aegean and
Egyptian symbolism and emblems.
Friday April 23, 2010 19:32 Marsia Bealby
19:31
[Comment From Elizabeth ShankElizabeth Shank: ]
Marcia-beautiful images! Nice to see the floral parallels....
Friday April 23, 2010 19:31 Elizabeth Shank
19:31
[Comment From Danai KontopodiDanai Kontopodi: ]
Many congratulations to the organizers and participants. Thank you so much for the
livestream and the very interesting presentations.
Friday April 23, 2010 19:31 Danai Kontopodi
19:30
[Comment From Loeta TyreeLoeta Tyree: ]
@Kate: Intriguing idea that the sword has a life of its own!
Friday April 23, 2010 19:30 Loeta Tyree
19:27
[Comment From Kate HarrellKate Harrell: ]
@Julie: incidentally I'd love to get my hands on some boar's tusk! : )
Friday April 23, 2010 19:27 Kate Harrell
19:27
19:26
[Comment From Kate HarrellKate Harrell: ]
@Julie--interesting comment about the armour and the helmet. The idea that
"drawbacks" aren't drawbacks per se but are rather individualisms that the
swordsman must work around
Friday April 23, 2010 19:27 Kate Harrell
[Comment From Marie-Louise NoschMarie-Louise Nosch: ]
Beautiful paper Marcia, we are sorry that you cannot be with us here to present it!
Friday April 23, 2010 19:26 Marie-Louise Nosch
19:24
[Comment From Kate HarrellKate Harrell: ]
To Alexandra--yes I'm really interested in the idea that the sword is part of the body,
and vice versa, the human body is an extension of the sword
Friday April 23, 2010 19:24 Kate Harrell
19:23
19:22
19:22
[Comment From Julie HrubyJulie Hruby: ]
@Kate: I can't help wondering if the armor was typically just as challenging to use
as the swords. I bought some boar tusk, and it splits if you glance in its general
direction.
Friday April 23, 2010 19:23 Julie Hruby
[Comment From Julie HrubyJulie Hruby: ]
@Kate: that's really nifty.
Friday April 23, 2010 19:22 Julie Hruby
ITMEDIA (STEEN):
[Private Message to KosmosAdmin2] Tak. (Reply Privately)
Friday April 23, 2010 19:22 ITMEDIA (STEEN)
19:22
[Comment From Alexandra AlexandriAlexandra Alexandri: ]
@Katherine Harrell: extremely fascinating ideas! Especially since in most warrior
cultures the weapons are considered extensions of the bodies of the warriors – if it is
not part of you, you cannot wield it or use it
Friday April 23, 2010 19:22 Alexandra Alexandri
19:21 KosmosAdmin2:
[Private Message to ITMEDIA (STEEN)] Ja, det er den sidste for idag.
Friday April 23, 2010 19:21 KosmosAdmin2
19:21
[Comment From ITMEDIA (STEEN)ITMEDIA (STEEN): ]
Er dette den sidste for i dag?
Friday April 23, 2010 19:21 ITMEDIA (STEEN)
19:21
[Comment From Jo CutlerJo Cutler: ]
Kate, you're welcome - it was a great paper.
Friday April 23, 2010 19:21 Jo Cutler
19:21
[Comment From Kate HarrellKate Harrell: ]
Yes I have encountered Gell before but I forgot about his enchantment discussion--I
will re-read this straightaway.
Friday April 23, 2010 19:21 Kate Harrell
19:19
ashlarblocks:
Louise: @Kate: wonderful paper!
Friday April 23, 2010 19:19 ashlarblocks
19:18
19:18
John Younger:
Kate: wow! I really liked that paper! Do you know this book: Gell, A. 1998. Art and
agency. An anthropological theory, Oxford. Gell talks of "enchantment": the ability
of weapons, tattoos, intricate designs to dazzle opponents.
Friday April 23, 2010 19:18 John Younger
[Comment From Kate HarrellKate Harrell: ]
Thanks so much to Jo for a wonderful reading!
Friday April 23, 2010 19:18 Kate Harrell
19:18
[Comment From Marsia BealbyMarsia Bealby: ]
@Kathrine. Thank you for this great paper.
Friday April 23, 2010 19:18 Marsia Bealby
19:18
[Comment From Kate HarrellKate Harrell: ]
Thank you for the kind comment!
Friday April 23, 2010 19:18 Kate Harrell
19:16
Judith Weingarten:
Katherine, this is a fascinating idea. I'm so glad I stayed on to the very end of today's
streaming.
Friday April 23, 2010 19:16 Judith Weingarten
19:10
[Comment From Marsia BealbyMarsia Bealby: ]
By the way, the facial scars can be seen nowadays in tribes of Africa such as Uruba,
Bini, etc. Different facial scars for every nationality.
Friday April 23, 2010 19:10 Marsia Bealby
19:06
[Comment From Lena PapazoglouLena Papazoglou: ]
It feels good to see how many of you make use of the new (since 2004) display of
artefacts in the Prehistoric Collection of the National Archaeological Museum,
Athens to make your points
Friday April 23, 2010 19:06 Lena Papazoglou
19:05
[Comment From Salvatore VitaleSalvatore Vitale: ]
To Papazoglpu: Thank you, very much. I used data from your excavations for my
reconsideration of the ELBA sequence from Kos. I will be happy to send you an
offprint
Friday April 23, 2010 19:05 Salvatore Vitale
19:05
[Comment From Jacke PhillipsJacke Phillips: ]
Hi Everyone: I've got to leave for a previous appointment (I didn't realise two more
would be added last minute), so see you all on Monday. Last comment: I have
trouble with the Oxford Egyptian radiocarbon conference, unless they used newly
recovered material in Egypt and not material in European/American museums,
which by now would likely have been skewed by air contamination. But this isn't the
place for this discussion - lets go back to the papers at hand....
Friday April 23, 2010 19:05 Jacke Phillips
19:05
[Comment From Loeta TyreeLoeta Tyree: ]
@Judith: If I recall correctly, the trees were dated by dendrochronology, wiggle
matching with a now long sequence of other data.
Friday April 23, 2010 19:05 Loeta Tyree
18:59
[Comment From Marsia BealbyMarsia Bealby: ]
Louise, I recommend Time's Up (ed. Warbourtor 2009) and Freadrich 2009. These
books came out November 2009, but a few months earlier, in March, the Egyptian
radiocarbon conference 'messed up' things again. Not even the transition to the New
Kingdom is 'secure' any more : )
Friday April 23, 2010 18:59 Marsia Bealby
18:58
Judith Weingarten:
@Loeta, did anyone deal with Malcolm Wiener's contention that volcanic chemicals
could skew the dating of the (first) olive tree?
Friday April 23, 2010 18:58 Judith Weingarten
18:58
18:55
[Comment From Luca GirellaLuca Girella: ]
New radiocarbon dates are now published by Wild and Gauss and other authors for
the sequence of Aegina Kolonna which provides the longest sequence for the Agean
bronze age
Friday April 23, 2010 18:58 Luca Girella
[Comment From Loeta TyreeLoeta Tyree: ]
Louise: There is a second olive tree as well as new dates.
Friday April 23, 2010 18:55 Loeta Tyree
18:55
[Comment From Janice CrowleyJanice Crowley: ]
Abby, Thank you. I am so pleased to see your skirt cut on the bias. I have long
thought that the only way to get the shape of the flounced skirt was a bias cut. Also
it is economical - you can get 2 squares out of the one square of material.
Friday April 23, 2010 18:55 Janice Crowley
18:55
[Comment From Georg NightingaleGeorg Nightingale: ]
@Salvatore Vitale: Was my impression with regards to the beads accurate that in
LH IIIB there are no more or less complete necklaces on Kos but that they rather
used single or a few beads only?
Friday April 23, 2010 18:55 Georg Nightingale
18:54
ashlarblocks:
Louise: @Loeta, @Marsia: are these new dates connected with the olive tree or are
there new, new dates?
Friday April 23, 2010 18:54 ashlarblocks
18:52
[Comment From Jacke PhillipsJacke Phillips: ]
Loeta: I've heard Sturt before, and he always gives excellent talks.
Friday April 23, 2010 18:52 Jacke Phillips
18:49
18:49
[Comment From Lena PapazoglouLena Papazoglou: ]
To Salvatore. Good luck with your project on Kos, I am looking foorward to see
your paper published. On Kos I excavated, may years ago, my very first chamber
tomb furnished with LH IIIB pottery.
Friday April 23, 2010 18:49 Lena Papazoglou
[Comment From Salvatore VitaleSalvatore Vitale: ]
We are going to do them soon, Tobias
Friday April 23, 2010 18:49 Salvatore Vitale
18:49
[Comment From Julie HrubyJulie Hruby: ]
@Salvatore: that's fantastic! And congratulations on making it to Copenhagen.
Friday April 23, 2010 18:49 Julie Hruby
18:49
[Comment From Loeta TyreeLoeta Tyree: ]
@Phillips. Sturt Manning gave an excellent talk last week at the American School
that focused on the scientific evidence including new radiocarbon data. The
evidence is now overwhelming and it appears that a 17 century date has to be taken
seriously.
Friday April 23, 2010 18:49 Loeta Tyree
18:46
[Comment From Salvatore VitaleSalvatore Vitale: ]
Hello July. The human bones were thought to be lost but I relocate part of them last
year. we hope to e able to study them soon
Friday April 23, 2010 18:46 Salvatore Vitale
18:45
Annette Borrell:
From Marie-Louise: The KOSMOS program continues on Monday 26th at 12.00
(Western Europe time). The program will be posted on the web tonight.
Friday April 23, 2010 18:45 Annette Borrell
18:45
[Comment From Jacke PhillipsJacke Phillips: ]
Oliver: Phil has gone back to it!!??!! I'm so glad! We have agreed not to agree since
1988.
Friday April 23, 2010 18:45 Jacke Phillips
18:45
18:44
[Comment From Caroline ZaitounCaroline Zaitoun: ]
To Carlos: Thank you very much. The notation of other interesting ingredients can
be discussed. I would be glad to share the results of my researches on thoses
substances.
Friday April 23, 2010 18:45 Caroline Zaitoun
ashlarblocks:
Louise: @Salvatore, very interesting paper - esp. the sword & discussion of
Ahhiyawa, congrats!
Friday April 23, 2010 18:44 ashlarblocks
18:43
Annette Borrell:
From Marie-Louise: PROGRAM FOR THE REST OF TODAY: First K. Harrels'
paper on The Weapon's Beauty, then Marcia Nugent's paper on Botanic Motifs of
BA Cycladic Islands
Friday April 23, 2010 18:43 Annette Borrell
18:43
[Comment From Marsia BealbyMarsia Bealby: ]
@Jackie, I cannot give you percentages, but the problem has gone more complicated
after the recent conferences of radiocarbon in Oxford and the 7icaane.
Friday April 23, 2010 18:43 Marsia Bealby
18:43
[Comment From Oliver DickinsonOliver Dickinson: ]
@ Louise: this is results of first major season of excavation.
Friday April 23, 2010 18:43 Oliver Dickinson
18:43
[Comment From Tobias MuehlenbruchTobias Muehlenbruch: ]
to Salvatore Vitale: Thank you for presenting this fascinating material. Is there also
analysis of your Naue II-sword?
Friday April 23, 2010 18:43 Tobias Muehlenbruch
18:43
[Comment From Anaya SarpakiAnaya Sarpaki: ]
To Salvatore....Is the organic material you showed only figs? Are they dried figs or
just fresh but charred?
Friday April 23, 2010 18:43 Anaya Sarpaki
18:43
[Comment From Julie HrubyJulie Hruby: ]
@ Salvatore: I'm sorry if you covered this, I was having some computer challenges
at the beginning and don't know the site at all well - is there skeletal material?
Friday April 23, 2010 18:43 Julie Hruby
18:42
18:42
[Comment From Oliver DickinsonOliver Dickinson: ]
@ Jacke: I am sticking with the standard chronology, more or less (and have said so
in forthcoming entry on Aegean prehistory in the Cambridge World Prehistory
ADVERT), and Malcolm Wiener told me that Phil Betancourt has gone back to it.
Friday April 23, 2010 18:42 Oliver Dickinson
[Comment From Jacke PhillipsJacke Phillips: ]
Excellent paper Salvatore! and good luck with your full project. I'm so glad these
sites are being more fully re-investigated.
Friday April 23, 2010 18:42 Jacke Phillips
18:42
18:41
[Comment From Anaya SarpakiAnaya Sarpaki: ]
Thank you for your paper Salvadore....the amount of research you put into it is
impressive...yet, I will play the devil's advocate and my question is whether the
wealth of the burials should NECESSARILY reflect the level of the wealth of the
society or is it reflective of other factors as well??...like more materiality versus
spirituality, less splashing of wealth for various reasons...change of belief regarding
afterlife and the need of wealth there??? Just ideas.
Friday April 23, 2010 18:42 Anaya Sarpaki
[Comment From Luca GirellaLuca Girella: ]
Salvatore, congratulations! I really liked your paper. Good luck for your project!
Friday April 23, 2010 18:41 Luca Girella
18:41
ashlarblocks:
Louise: @Oliver, I only knew about 3 tablets, so it sounds like there's more. We saw
excavations there last June, but not a burned building, but that might be more recent.
Friday April 23, 2010 18:41 ashlarblocks
18:39
[Comment From Bernice JonesBernice Jones: ]
Yes, Marsia - This is true!
Friday April 23, 2010 18:39 Bernice Jones
18:39
[Comment From Jacke PhillipsJacke Phillips: ]
Does anyone know what - generally - is the percentage of Aegeanists who follow the
17th c. Theran date and those who follow the 16th c. date (whatever they are).
Obviously, I go with the 16th c. date, but I'm wondering how many 'straight'
Aegeanists do
Friday April 23, 2010 18:39 Jacke Phillips
18:38
[Comment From Oliver DickinsonOliver Dickinson: ]
@ Louise: interesting. Hector Catling was *not* impressed when he visited it, he
told me a while back. Yes, i knew it was close to Vapheio & Palaiopyrgi. They now
have 5 tablet frs, I believe, and a big burnt building.
Friday April 23, 2010 18:38 Oliver Dickinson
18:35
ashlarblocks:
Louise: @Oliver, I've been to Ayios Vasileos several times, most recently last year
with Anne Chapin and Emilia Banou. It's a very impressive site - Emilia showed us
some of the many kylix stems she found there in her survey. And, it's very close to
Vaphio
Friday April 23, 2010 18:35 ashlarblocks
18:35
[Comment From Nancy ThomasNancy Thomas: ]
Thanks for the very kind comments while ago. I appreciate them very much. To
Marie-Louise and Anne, I dont know what to say about cross-craft between textiles
and painting. I've concentrated on the clues left by handling tools, not the transfer of
similar images themselves. Anyway, Marie-Louise, didn't you just knock us over
with the horrendous number of hours it took to make one piece of cloth! Would a
skilled textile worker ever have time, or permission, to do anything else?
Friday April 23, 2010 18:35 Nancy Thomas
18:33
Judith Weingarten:
No, of course, I'm joking. Geraki had easy access via Kythera. In fact, there is some
"Geraki Ware" at sites on the Lakonian coast -- and, as Tristan will know -- obsidian
blades of very similar type are found at Kythera and Geraki.
Friday April 23, 2010 18:33 Judith Weingarten
18:33
[Comment From Marsia BealbyMarsia Bealby: ]
@Bernice: They is only one way you can make both an Aegeanist and an
Egyptologist happy: don't raise the issue of chronology : )
Friday April 23, 2010 18:33 Marsia Bealby
18:33
[Comment From Oliver DickinsonOliver Dickinson: ]
@ Louise: Yes, what about Ayios Vasileios? A real "turn-up for the book" - have
you been there (I haven't)?
Friday April 23, 2010 18:33 Oliver Dickinson
18:33
18:33
[Comment From Caroline ZaitounCaroline Zaitoun: ]
@Cynthia Shelmerdine: thank you very much. I regret that I will not stay in
Copenhaguen until monday and that we couldn´t meet in the conference. Your work
on perfumed oils was very helpful for me. Looking forward for other discussions on
the subject.
Friday April 23, 2010 18:33 Caroline Zaitoun
[Comment From Oliver DickinsonOliver Dickinson: ]
@ Annette Borell: nice - but where's all the food we were told about? :)
Friday April 23, 2010 18:33 Oliver Dickinson
18:31
ashlarblocks:
Louise: @Judith, Lakonia was absolutely central in Aegean prehistory
Friday April 23, 2010 18:31 ashlarblocks
18:30
[Comment From Bernice JonesBernice Jones: ]
On Interconnections – I agree and believe that the Aegean can only be understaood
within the broader context of the Near east and Egypt, as I show in my paper.
Friday April 23, 2010 18:30 Bernice Jones
18:30
18:30
[Comment From Oliver DickinsonOliver Dickinson: ]
@ Judith: now, if we could find a Geraki-style sealing on a Cycladic island ... Never
got as far as Geraki, but thiis was clearly an important site, for all its being so far
inland.
Friday April 23, 2010 18:30 Oliver Dickinson
[Comment From Kate HarrellKate Harrell: ]
I'm not sure when it's on now...?
Friday April 23, 2010 18:30 Kate Harrell
18:28
[Comment From Carlos VariasCarlos Varias: ]
To Caroline: Many congratulations on your paper. It's very interesting your
approach from Egyptian evidence to understand the production of perfumed oil
recorded on the Linear B tablets. Actually I have a graduate student whose
dissertation is the vocabulary of this perfume industry (focusing on linguistics) and
its continuity in later Greek, so your tentative interpretation of *157 and KAPO is of
great interest for her work.
Friday April 23, 2010 18:28 Carlos Varias
18:28
[Comment From Marsia BealbyMarsia Bealby: ]
@Kostas. The problem is that sometimes we see the 'state' (palaces, etc) behind
everything, and we underestimate the personal factor and how everyday people
could challenge this networking system.
Friday April 23, 2010 18:28 Marsia Bealby
18:28
[Comment From Oliver DickinsonOliver Dickinson: ]
@ Luca Girella: not sure what you mean here, Luca - I do not think the islanders
would bring all this to Mochlos, or provide to sailors from Mochlos, without getting
*something* in return.
Friday April 23, 2010 18:28 Oliver Dickinson
18:28
[Comment From Nancy ThomasNancy Thomas: ]
Kate, I am looking forward to seeing your paper with its beautiful title.
Friday April 23, 2010 18:28 Nancy Thomas
18:28
[Comment From Marsia BealbyMarsia Bealby: ]
@Kate, very interesting paper.
Friday April 23, 2010 18:28 Marsia Bealby
18:25
Annette Borrell:
We have now uploaded some photos of today's audience in the conference room.
Please view your colleagues at:
http://ctr.hum.ku.dk/conferences/kosmos/audiencefriday
Friday April 23, 2010 18:25 Annette Borrell
18:24
Judith Weingarten:
Luca et al, I think the seals and sealings coming to light in the Cyclades shows that
the 'international spirit' is alive and well at this time. We now have the impression of
a metal stalk? seal, probably a Cycladic import, at Geraki (Lakonia) -- a site that I
am not allowed by the excavators to call "in the middle of nowhere" but that's where
it is. :-)
Friday April 23, 2010 18:24 Judith Weingarten
18:22
Kostas Paschalidis:
@Luca. It is very possible that networks were sophisticated so much that we may
not imagine. But I couldn't possibly explain such a theory to my grandmother who
used to live on a rocky island with goats and wait for the rest of the necessary
products from the old-fashioned exchange system with the mainlanders (when the
weather permitted). People lived for centuries away from structured models.
Friday April 23, 2010 18:22 Kostas Paschalidis
18:19
18:19
[Comment From Cynthia ShelmerdineCynthia Shelmerdine: ]
@Caroline Zaitoun: congratulations on your paper. The Egyptian parallels, esp. P.
Ebers, are really interesting. There is always more to say about perfume--more to
come from Mary Jane Cuyler on Monday too.
Friday April 23, 2010 18:19 Cynthia Shelmerdine
[Comment From Kate HarrellKate Harrell: ]
I am here online if anyone has questions or comments
Friday April 23, 2010 18:19 Kate Harrell
18:17
[Comment From Robert LaffineurRobert Laffineur: ]
CHANGE OF PROGRAM FOR THE NEXT PAPERS: Next two speakers are
Salavtore ´VITALI, Dressing up the Deads, and afterwards it will be Abby
LILLETHUN, Finding the Flounced Skirt.
Friday April 23, 2010 18:17 Robert Laffineur
18:16
[Comment From Luca GirellaLuca Girella: ]
@Oliver Dickinson@Judith: why we should think that something got back
necessarily from Crete to Cyclades? The Renfrew International spirit should be put
into a severe and restricted nature that were the Cyclades, with just an handuful of
sites controlling communication routes and networks....networks of social
interacions. I think Manning in the 90es and Broodbank recently tried to explain this
system better than my words
Friday April 23, 2010 18:16 Luca Girella
18:15
[Comment From Oliver DickinsonOliver Dickinson: ]
@ Kostas: perfectly true, though the islands might get those things from the Greek
mainland as easily. I forgot to mention the gold coming to Mochlos also, agreed
most likely from the Near East. Well, this is a problem that recurs in Aegean
prehistory, as with the immense wealth of the Shaft Graves ...
Friday April 23, 2010 18:15 Oliver Dickinson
18:13
[Comment From Sabine BeckmannSabine Beckmann: ]
@Caroline: The difference between fat and lanoline is that the latter acts (as
beeswax) slightly as an emulgator and thus helps to make the unguent stable.
Friday April 23, 2010 18:13 Sabine Beckmann
18:12
Judith Weingarten:
Oliver, admittedly not much evidence. Only the Amorgos cylinder springs to mind
for this period (a very clear imitation of a Syro-Cilician stamp cylinder).
Friday April 23, 2010 18:12 Judith Weingarten
18:12
Kostas Paschalidis:
No matter how populated or deserted Cycladic islands are today, they -all of themneed to be supplied with wheat, oil, meat and even water in order to survive. And
this was always happening, long before the second half of the 20th century.
Friday April 23, 2010 18:12 Kostas Paschalidis
18:11
[Comment From Oliver DickinsonOliver Dickinson: ]
General comment: Kali orexi to participants in Copenhagen; I am jealous.
Friday April 23, 2010 18:11 Oliver Dickinson
18:11
18:09
[Comment From Janice CrowleyJanice Crowley: ]
On interconnections: Yes, it is "double the effort" + but more and more scholars are
doing it - and it is necessary if we are to gain any where near a true picture of the
Aegean world.
Friday April 23, 2010 18:11 Janice Crowley
ashlarblocks:
Louise: @Marsia, It's extremely tricky! I've participated in a number of
interconnections workshops now, where participants are not able to integrate the
discussion of 2 or more cultures, or they are repetitive, or there is a fall back either
on diffusion or pots = people
Friday April 23, 2010 18:09 ashlarblocks
18:09
18:09
[Comment From Sascha MauelSascha Mauel: ]
Thanks to all of you for a very innovative conference week which - despite all
difficulties - was very successfully! Looking forward to "seeing"/hearing you all
next week. Enjoy your meal and have a nice weekend, whereever you may be in this
KOSMOS!
Friday April 23, 2010 18:09 Sascha Mauel
[Comment From Sabine BeckmannSabine Beckmann: ]
@Judith, Oliver: I suppose there is always the possibility of perishable products
being taken to the Cyclades
Friday April 23, 2010 18:09 Sabine Beckmann
18:08
18:08
[Comment From Jacke PhillipsJacke Phillips: ]
Janice: Absolutely! I've been working on interconnections/cross-cultural
transmission between Egypt and the Aegean for almost as long, and your book also
was a bible for me! And just as much frustration in dealing with academic
compartmentalisation. This is such a treat here!
Friday April 23, 2010 18:08 Jacke Phillips
Jane Johnsen:
From Marie-Louise: I believe the participants are now getting hungry - we have
broadcasted 8 h now. Food is served from now on in CTR, including beer....
Friday April 23, 2010 18:08 Jane Johnsen
18:06
[Comment From Marsia BealbyMarsia Bealby: ]
Interconnections are 'double the effort', since the student has to catch up with both
(or more that two) backgrounds at the same time. They can get rather tricky.
Friday April 23, 2010 18:06 Marsia Bealby
18:06
[Comment From Georg NightingaleGeorg Nightingale: ]
Danish beer definitely tastes better in Danmark than anywhere else in Europe...
Friday April 23, 2010 18:06 Georg Nightingale
18:05
[Comment From Oliver DickinsonOliver Dickinson: ]
@ Judith: Okay, the silver is being trans-shipped, but the point remains - what is
going the other way? And the obsidian and a lot of copper are staying in Mochlos.
Friday April 23, 2010 18:05 Oliver Dickinson
18:03
ashlarblocks:
Louise: @Marsia, not to mention beverages that are stronger than coffee!
Friday April 23, 2010 18:03 ashlarblocks
18:03
Judith Weingarten:
@Oliver, if Mochlos is essentially a trans-shipment point, it wouldn't have to
produce anything. That's the beauty of island trading posts. You have to look beyond
Mochlos, which is another problem....
Friday April 23, 2010 18:03 Judith Weingarten
18:03
ashlarblocks:
Louise: @Janice, excellent point! I did my MA in Mesopotamian history, and did
Aegean for my PhD and felt continuously discouraged with regard to looking at
Interconnections. Your book was like a bible for me.
Friday April 23, 2010 18:03 ashlarblocks
18:02
[Comment From Marsia BealbyMarsia Bealby: ]
but still we are ever so happy to be given the chance to virtually attend it.
Friday April 23, 2010 18:02 Marsia Bealby
18:01
[Comment From Marsia BealbyMarsia Bealby: ]
It certainly lacks the coffee & biscuits chill out networking environment...
Friday April 23, 2010 18:01 Marsia Bealby
18:01
[Comment From Eva Andersson StrandEva Andersson Strand: ]
Susan, I am sorry for the mistake with the slides.
Friday April 23, 2010 18:01 Eva Andersson Strand
18:01
18:00
[Comment From Janice CrowleyJanice Crowley: ]
General Comment. As someone who, thirty years ago, was investigating
interconnections with Egypt and the Near East and had a hard time getting it
considered, it is most rewarding to see so much comment at KOSMOS on this very
matter. We have come a long way - even since the Cincinnati Conference - to accept
this reality of cross-fertilization.
Friday April 23, 2010 18:01 Janice Crowley
Jane Johnsen:
In addition this allows us to have a more precise log of discussions, questions and
answers
Friday April 23, 2010 18:00 Jane Johnsen
17:59
Jane Johnsen:
The ideal approach to conferences is of courseto have a combination of both virtual
and physical presence. The virtual streaming allows or a much greater audience...
Friday April 23, 2010 17:59 Jane Johnsen
17:57
17:57
[Comment From Oliver DickinsonOliver Dickinson: ]
General comment: this is a good way of hearing seminar and conference papers
when one cannot attend, but not of discussing what is said - and it is clear from
many comments that people like to *see* each other and talk.
Friday April 23, 2010 17:57 Oliver Dickinson
Judith Weingarten:
Louise, Marsia: Ask the Hallagers to send more Dane-power to Athens! Then, we'll
get the Seminars live-streamed.
Friday April 23, 2010 17:57 Judith Weingarten
17:55
[Comment From Marsia BealbyMarsia Bealby: ]
I agree with Louise. That would be an excellent idea.
Friday April 23, 2010 17:55 Marsia Bealby
17:54
ashlarblocks:
Louise: It would be great if the Minoan seminars were streamed live.
Friday April 23, 2010 17:54 ashlarblocks
17:54
[Comment From Iphiyenia TournavitouIphiyenia Tournavitou: ]
Pietro, I sent a message some time ago, but apparently it didn't get there!! Although
the study is not yet complete, I believe that the composition was set at eye level
between decorative borders,much like the Tiryns boar hunt!! It was a miniature
composition and I believe that most of the extant pictorial fragments belong together
and form the decoration of the stoa
Friday April 23, 2010 17:54 Iphiyenia Tournavitou
17:53
[Comment From Marcia NugentMarcia Nugent: ]
@ Susan. Interesting paper. I am sorry we have just missed each other for the second
year in a row!
Friday April 23, 2010 17:53 Marcia Nugent
17:53
[Comment From Oliver DickinsonOliver Dickinson: ]
@ Tristan: I meant "fi*t* in
Friday April 23, 2010 17:53 Oliver Dickinson
17:52
[Comment From anna lucia dagataanna lucia dagata: ]
shall we be able to go back to the old style conferences? This is a Kosmos that set a
new trend ... a new Kosmos indeed ...
Friday April 23, 2010 17:52 anna lucia dagata
17:50
[Comment From Oliver DickinsonOliver Dickinson: ]
@ Tristan: a very interesting paper - but what was going back to the Cyclades from
Mochlos in exchange for all this - and how does the Cycladic collapse fir in?
Friday April 23, 2010 17:50 Oliver Dickinson
17:50
[Comment From Sabine BeckmannSabine Beckmann: ]
@ Susan: I believe to have read somewhere that azurite turns into malachite with
time and oxidation - how do we know which of both were originally meant to be in
the case of the now green ones?
Friday April 23, 2010 17:50 Sabine Beckmann
17:47
Annette Borrell:
@Judith - yes - this digital alternative works great. Thanks to all of you:)
Friday April 23, 2010 17:47 Annette Borrell
17:45
Judith Weingarten:
Annette, "Welcome to the Digital World" indeed!
Friday April 23, 2010 17:45 Judith Weingarten
17:41
Annette Borrell:
We have now uploaded some photos of our surroundings here at the University of
Copenhagen and the KOSMOS conference. Pure blue sky... Please view the photos
here: http://ctr.hum.ku.dk/conferences/kosmos/surroundings
Friday April 23, 2010 17:41 Annette Borrell
17:38
[Comment From pietro militellopietro militello: ]
@Iphigenia Any idea about the composition (eye level frieze, larger friezes etc.) of
the Stoa paintings?
Friday April 23, 2010 17:38 pietro militello
17:37
[Comment From Caroline ZaitounCaroline Zaitoun: ]
Hello from Copenhaguen
Friday April 23, 2010 17:37 Caroline Zaitoun
17:35
Judith Weingarten:
Tristan, I'm sure you're right that silver was a main trade item between the EB II
Aegean and Syro-Palestine ... and that it stimulated a host of innovations. Fine
paper.
Friday April 23, 2010 17:35 Judith Weingarten
17:35
ashlarblocks:
Louise H.: Good-O, Stringy!
Friday April 23, 2010 17:35 ashlarblocks
17:34
[Comment From Susan FerrenceSusan Ferrence: ]
Thanks, better.
Friday April 23, 2010 17:34 Susan Ferrence
17:34
[Comment From Susan FerrenceSusan Ferrence: ]
Slides are still behind
Friday April 23, 2010 17:34 Susan Ferrence
17:32
[Comment From Georgia FloudaGeorgia Flouda: ]
Well done Stringy! Hope to see you soon in Crete!
Friday April 23, 2010 17:32 Georgia Flouda
17:31
[Comment From Susan FerrenceSusan Ferrence: ]
I think you're behind by one slide
Friday April 23, 2010 17:31 Susan Ferrence
17:27
[Comment From Jacke PhillipsJacke Phillips: ]
Judith, Nancy: Exactly! You start by applying what you know and eventually work
out how to use the new material/technique. Think of the earliest metal axeheads and
how they gradually slimmed and thinned down with splaying end, to still work
efficiently in metal.
Friday April 23, 2010 17:27 Jacke Phillips
17:27 KosmosAdmin2:
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17:23
Judith Weingarten:
@ Anne and Nancy, I have recently been watching a painter friend of great skill turn
her hand to sculpture. The first efforts were fascinating but still very 2-D; now, years
later, she is entirely at home in 3-D. It took about 5 years to become a Master of
both arts.
Friday April 23, 2010 17:23 Judith Weingarten
17:22
[Comment From Anne ChapinAnne Chapin: ]
@ Marie Louise and Nancy, Going all the way back to Evans' observations about
the Partridge/Hoopoe Fresco Knossos, there seems clear cross-craft interaction
between landscape fresco painting and complex (tapestry?) textile design. This is
most obvious now in the X3 lady with the landscape skirt and less obvious but
clearly there in the Crocus Panel from HoF, Kn. Seems to me that there was a 2-way
dialogue going on between the two artforms, with each art form influencing the
other. The more regularlizing elements of some Minoan (and later) landscapes may
be influenced by textile designs, now lost?
Friday April 23, 2010 17:22 Anne Chapin
17:22
[Comment From Marie-Louise NoschMarie-Louise Nosch: ]
Thank you to Kristian Kristiansen for reading the paper. And thank you to Tristan
for a great paper: you were the first colleague to sign in for KOSMOS, about 2 years
agao, it is a pity you are not here.
Friday April 23, 2010 17:22 Marie-Louise Nosch
17:12
[Comment From Marie-Louise NoschMarie-Louise Nosch: ]
Nancy, I follow up on Louise H.'s comment: what are the implications for textile
work? How would a weaver carroy concets of textile work to other media, in
particular techniques and aestetics?
Friday April 23, 2010 17:12 Marie-Louise Nosch
17:11
[Comment From Anne ChapinAnne Chapin: ]
Nancy, I love your approach and your keen eye. What you describe here is exactly
how we train artists in our art department at Brevard College - we require art majors
to take classes in a medium other than their preferred medium. That is, we
encourage our painters to sculpt and vice versa. The experience in different media
nearly always leads to stronger art overall. Great to see the same thinking in the
Aegean Bronze Age! It's a real insight into artistic training and practice. Bravo!
Friday April 23, 2010 17:11 Anne Chapin
17:11
[Comment From Bernice JonesBernice Jones: ]
Nancy - A really first-rate paper! I loved your distinguishing between the flat, cutout style of the lion hunt and nilotic daggers versus the sculptural 3 lion dagger definitely different hands and different concepts. Miss seeing you, too! How did you
get out of Florida when no one else could??
Friday April 23, 2010 17:11 Bernice Jones
17:11
[Comment From Sabine BeckmannSabine Beckmann: ]
@ Nancy: Great paper - a good example on how art historical interpretations should
be done!
Friday April 23, 2010 17:11 Sabine Beckmann
17:10
[Comment From GuestGuest: ]
Nancy, Way to go! Especially with the mistakes made by the artisans as a result. I
had fun doing the same idea with sculptors in wood who had to switch to stone. Not
the same thing at all, and they made mistakes. Must talk about this when you're back
in Jax.
Friday April 23, 2010 17:10 Guest
17:09
[Comment From Vassilis PetrakisVassilis Petrakis: ]
@ Nancy Thomas: Brilliant work and certainly one of those paper that we shall have
to read in much detail when the Proceedings come out!
Friday April 23, 2010 17:09 Vassilis Petrakis
17:08
ashlarblocks:
Louise: @Nancy: Very creative and fantastic paper! It makes me wonder what the
implications are for architecture.
Friday April 23, 2010 17:08 ashlarblocks
17:08
Judith Weingarten:
Congratulations Nancy. Super paper. One might be able, even so, to add in metal
signets.
Friday April 23, 2010 17:08 Judith Weingarten
17:07
[Comment From Janice CrowleyJanice Crowley: ]
Nancy, Fascinating detail. Thank you so much for this illuminating examination of
the daggers.
Friday April 23, 2010 17:07 Janice Crowley
17:07
[Comment From Eleni DrakakiEleni Drakaki: ]
To Nancy Thomas: I guess I had to wait for the conlcusions of the paper! Many
thanks!
Friday April 23, 2010 17:07 Eleni Drakaki
17:07
John Younger:
Nancy: masterful! I'm convinced!
Friday April 23, 2010 17:07 John Younger
17:06
Karen Foster:
Nancy: fantastic paper! You would much enjoy the symposium volume on crosscraft connections, ed by Pam Vandiver.
Friday April 23, 2010 17:06 Karen Foster
17:05
[Comment From Eleni DrakakiEleni Drakaki: ]
To Nancy Thomas: How remarkable observations! Any ideas on the origin of the
craftsmen/artistis working on the material found on the Mainland?
Friday April 23, 2010 17:05 Eleni Drakaki
17:04
[Comment From pietro militellopietro militello: ]
@ Nancy: great paper!
Friday April 23, 2010 17:04 pietro militello
17:03
Kostas Paschalidis:
@ Nancy R.Thomas: Excellent paper, congratulations!!! I have a small addition to
second your observations, if I may. What indeed distinguish the "lion hunt" and the
"nilotic" daggers from the "three lions" one is that the former two follow the princile
of the same scale for all figures, as if they were carved on Classic temple pediments.
By contrast in the "three lion" dagger, lions get smaller towards the dagger's tip in
order to fit the frame. Such a contrast show a fundamentally diffrent concept and
approach. Thank you again for such a wonderful presentation!
Friday April 23, 2010 17:03 Kostas Paschalidis
17:03
[Comment From petya hristovapetya hristova: ]
Nancy Thomas's: handling tools -- is there a connection with the steatite / soapstone
molds, fine, fine steatite molds usualy found in pieces, small, small pieces
Friday April 23, 2010 17:03 petya hristova
17:03
[Comment From Oliver DickinsonOliver Dickinson: ]
@ Nancy: brilliant presentation!
Friday April 23, 2010 17:03 Oliver Dickinson
17:03
[Comment From Eva Andersson StrandEva Andersson Strand: ]
Excellent and an extremly interesting presention Nacy, Thank you
Friday April 23, 2010 17:03 Eva Andersson Strand
16:58
[Comment From Mary Jane CuylerMary Jane Cuyler: ]
Nancy Thomas, this is a brilliant approach! My father is an artisan; he works mainly
in wood, stone and plaster - and you know, in each medium he has a very distinct
"signature". Also, his work with one medium informs how he might work in
another. Sometimes he treats stone as wood, and wood as stone.
Friday April 23, 2010 16:58 Mary Jane Cuyler
16:54
[Comment From VanghelisVanghelis: ]
Richard, I have to go, but I did not catch Carlos arguing in favour of o=o-pe-ro .
There is a recent paper by Rupert on the use of o in the middle of the text. But that is
the topic of an email conversation rather than here.
Friday April 23, 2010 16:54 Vanghelis
16:54
[Comment From Carlos VariasCarlos Varias: ]
Thank you to all of your for your comments. To Jorg: you are right, I think that the
are no other example, but I hace to check it. In fact, it is a suggestion by Killen, but I
did'nt comment it because of the time.
Friday April 23, 2010 16:54 Carlos Varias
16:54
[Comment From Marie-Louise NoschMarie-Louise Nosch: ]
The puzzle of pieces of cut gold foil culd the have cross craft connotations with
tapestry weave where areas of fabric are made in seperate blocks
Friday April 23, 2010 16:54 Marie-Louise Nosch
16:54
[Comment From Marie-Louise NoschMarie-Louise Nosch: ]
I really like how you investigate via the concept of cross craft!
Friday April 23, 2010 16:54 Marie-Louise Nosch
16:53
[Comment From Vassilis PetrakisVassilis Petrakis: ]
@ Carlos Varias: Congratulations on an excellent paper, wonderfully laid out!
Masterful presentation of the Mycenae 'patchy' evidence on textile production! I
lament not to be able to meet there.
Friday April 23, 2010 16:53 Vassilis Petrakis
16:53
[Comment From Olga KrzyszkowskaOlga Krzyszkowska: ]
To Vanghelis and Judith: the written version of my paper provides much more detail
regarding Knossian provenances, real and presumed, than possible in the
presentation.
Friday April 23, 2010 16:53 Olga Krzyszkowska
16:44
[Comment From Graduate StudentGraduate Student: ]
I've been waking up early to watch this and rushing to get back to it all week.
Thanks so much for putting this together. If these presentations are being recorded,
please announce on Aegeanet how to get our hands on them. Thank you so much to
the organizers and technical staff!
Friday April 23, 2010 16:44 Graduate Student
16:43
[Comment From Cynthia ShelmerdineCynthia Shelmerdine: ]
@Carlos: very good and useful paper, thank you! I'm glad you did get to
Copenhagen
Friday April 23, 2010 16:43 Cynthia Shelmerdine
16:43
16:43
[Comment From VanghelisVanghelis: ]
@Judith: indeed / @Carlos: great to see another facet of your work with tablets in
the Argolid / @Marie Louise: its a pity we cannot see any of the food from the
internet...
Friday April 23, 2010 16:43 Vanghelis
[Comment From Richard FirthRichard Firth: ]
@Carlos: Most interesting !!
Friday April 23, 2010 16:43 Richard Firth
16:43
16:43
[Comment From Jørg WeilhartnerJørg Weilhartner: ]
@ Carlos: Many thanks for your paper. As regards the proposal to read o-u-te-ra as
o(-pe-ro) u-te-ra I would like you to ask if there is any other instance for the
abbreviation o appearing before another word and not before a logogram
Friday April 23, 2010 16:43 Jørg Weilhartner
[Comment From Oliver DickinsonOliver Dickinson: ]
Go, Nancy!
Friday April 23, 2010 16:43 Oliver Dickinson
16:43
Jane Johnsen:
Once again we need to remind people to please keep the 20 minute time limit on
presentations, as we are falling behind schedule
Friday April 23, 2010 16:43 Jane Johnsen
16:42
Alessandro Greco:
Wonderful work Carlos!
Friday April 23, 2010 16:42 Alessandro Greco
16:42
[Comment From Vassilis PetrakisVassilis Petrakis: ]
@ Georg Nightingale, Cynthia Shelmerdine: You are perfectly right in that the
information of the tablets was NOT widely circulated. I did not argue against that.
But perhaps differing eloquence in these inscriptions can be an index of other things,
such as importance of subject-matter for the administration (need for clarity) and,
perhaps, time-depth of the specific event recorded. Now, this joins with Cynthia's
last remark on 16:34. If, the da-mo-ko-ro was rarely appointed, this should certainly
be an unusual and special situation. Perhaps, then, the seeming thematic uniqueness
of the Ta tablets would reflect a very exceptional occassion. Your point is perfectly
arguable! What do you think about Palmer's early 'mortuary' interpretation of the
set?
Friday April 23, 2010 16:42 Vassilis Petrakis
16:41
Judith Weingarten:
@Vanghelis, no, not the Royal Road. Those are all excavated, but some of the soft
stone seals which come from non-excavated sources.
Friday April 23, 2010 16:41 Judith Weingarten
16:41
Kostas Paschalidis:
Congratulations Carlos! Great to see you again.
Friday April 23, 2010 16:41 Kostas Paschalidis
16:40
[Comment From VanghelisVanghelis: ]
Thanks Judith, does this include those presented by Olga as Royal Road though?
Friday April 23, 2010 16:40 Vanghelis
16:40
[Comment From Georg NightingaleGeorg Nightingale: ]
@Katharina Aslanidou: Watching your baby presumably "totally fascinated" by
Linear B is a good sign for the future of our field!
Friday April 23, 2010 16:40 Georg Nightingale
16:38
Judith Weingarten:
@Vanghelis, a word of caution: many seals attributed to 'Knossos' may not have
been found there at all; it was a popular attribution by dealers and collectors.
Friday April 23, 2010 16:38 Judith Weingarten
16:34
16:34
[Comment From Cynthia ShelmerdineCynthia Shelmerdine: ]
@Vassilis Petrakis: You are right of course that such vocabulary would occur in
other recordings of this type. But my point would be that such occasions could be
very rare. How often is a damokoro appointed? We have references to other
festivals, but no accompanying inventories of furniture. I think feasts of one kind or
another were regular, but this occasion seems unusual. Of course we are always
limited by the accident of what is preserved.
Friday April 23, 2010 16:34 Cynthia Shelmerdine
[Comment From pietro militellopietro militello: ]
@Iphigenia. Sent already a message, but did not arrive. I asked if you were able to
reconstruct the fragment from the stoa as a large or small frieze at a high level.
Friday April 23, 2010 16:34 pietro militello
16:33
[Comment From Jacke PhillipsJacke Phillips: ]
Congratulations on yet another terrific and insightful paper Olga. With luck see you
next week.
Friday April 23, 2010 16:33 Jacke Phillips
16:32
Annette Borrell:
Photos of Katharina Aslanidou and baby watching KOSMOS are now on the
conference website. Follow this link:
http://ctr.hum.ku.dk/conferences/kosmos/photosfriday
Friday April 23, 2010 16:32 Annette Borrell
16:27
[Comment From Eleni DrakakiEleni Drakaki: ]
To Olga Krzyszkowska: Unfortunately, I was able to follow your paper only very
intermittently; I cannot wait for the printed version!
Friday April 23, 2010 16:27 Eleni Drakaki
16:26
[Comment From Georg NightingaleGeorg Nightingale: ]
@Cynthia. I am sorry. While writing I have not seen that you actually commented
on this point...
Friday April 23, 2010 16:26 Georg Nightingale
16:25
[Comment From Olga KrzyszkowskaOlga Krzyszkowska: ]
Sincere thanks to Tobias for reading my paper. Further details will appear in the
written version. Meanwhile comments and questions welcomed. Best wishes for
remainder of conference. Congratulations to Robert, Marie-Louise and all technical
teams in Copenhagen for making conference possible.
Friday April 23, 2010 16:25 Olga Krzyszkowska
16:25
[Comment From Georg NightingaleGeorg Nightingale: ]
@Vassilis: You are right with your care about determining the sufficiency of a
record. Nevertheless, when explaining Linear B administration to my students I do
remaind them about the comparatively small population of Pylos and about the even
smaller group of "tablets-writers" and "tablets-readers" (most likely idential).
Furthermore they seem to have intended their written information for little more
than a single administrative year. This might mean that they could possibly still
remember many of the facts they had written down. Very abreviated documentation
on Linear B tablets seems therefore quite "sufficent". But if other people were
supposed to read the texts whicht were not so intimately involved in the
administrative process then my hypothesis is totally wrong ;)
Friday April 23, 2010 16:25 Georg Nightingale
16:25
[Comment From Vassilis PetrakisVassilis Petrakis: ]
@ Cynthia Shelmerdine: Yes, the emic/ etic contrast is precisely what I was getting
at! The large concentration of hapaxes you cite is a very-very important observation.
On the other hand, however, PY Ta is also thematically unparalleled. Perhaps, such
vocabulary could have been more 'usual' in recordings of such items AND under
such circumstances (the temporal clause on Ta 711.1). What do you think?
Friday April 23, 2010 16:25 Vassilis Petrakis
16:21
16:21
[Comment From VanghelisVanghelis: ]
Olga, fascinating paper, extremely important to work with seals found in one place
(not a grave) and mostly from one period. I completely agree with your comparison
with the signet rings. Fascinating
Friday April 23, 2010 16:21 Vanghelis
[Comment From Janice CrowleyJanice Crowley: ]
Clear and convincing as always. So sorry to miss you at KOSMOS.
Friday April 23, 2010 16:21 Janice Crowley
16:19
Angelos Papadopoulos:
@Iphiyenia: Do you think that, judging from the growing body of material, we may
consider as "normal" that at Mycenae the warrior and hunter painted scenes exist in
wide distribution?
Friday April 23, 2010 16:19 Angelos Papadopoulos
16:16
[Comment From Cynthia ShelmerdineCynthia Shelmerdine: ]
@Vassilis Petrakis, Georg: Thank you Vassili. The other tablet series do contain
much less information, so it's easy to imagine a routine purpose of retaining
necessary information for a period of time. One can see a plausible link between the
information recorded and a likely purpose. The Ta series is extraordinary, the words
are, manyof them hapax, because such information was not normally recorded. That
sets it apart, I think. But your point is still good. Emic and etic categories, again...
Friday April 23, 2010 16:16 Cynthia Shelmerdine
16:16
[Comment From Georg NightingaleGeorg Nightingale: ]
@Cynthia: It seems to be a very good idea of you that the administrators are
captivated by the topic that they are supposed to record to such an extent that they
actuallay mirror the importance of the objects in writing especially carefully. Toms
quest for "kosmos" by the Myceneaean palaces seems to come into play here.
Friday April 23, 2010 16:16 Georg Nightingale
16:16
[Comment From VanghelisVanghelis: ]
pressed the link and it says it does not work...sorry
Friday April 23, 2010 16:16 Vanghelis
16:16
[Comment From Vassilis PetrakisVassilis Petrakis: ]
@ Iphiyenia Tournavitou: Excellent and much enjoyable for us as well! The
immediate contribution is that looking in the West House in this way and in
juxtaposition to the 'palace' per se, throws new light on the function of this important
group of buildings. Congratulations!
Friday April 23, 2010 16:16 Vassilis Petrakis
16:16
Jane Johnsen:
Salvatore Vitale has now made it to Copenhagen!
Friday April 23, 2010 16:16 Jane Johnsen
16:13
Annette Borrell:
The Lujan/Bernabé paper is placed top right on the page.
Friday April 23, 2010 16:13 Annette Borrell
16:12
Annette Borrell:
The paper by Euginio R. Lujan and Alberto Bernabé "The Work of Ivory in
Mycenaean Texts" will not be broadcast live. But we have uploaded the paper to the
conference page. Please follow this link:
http://ctr.hum.ku.dk/conferences/kosmos/kosmos_programme_friday
Friday April 23, 2010 16:12 Annette Borrell
16:09
[Comment From Iphiyenia TournavitouIphiyenia Tournavitou: ]
Thank you all for your comments!!! I have put a lot of thought and work into this,
and although I enjoyed it immensely, I hope I have 'read' it correctly...
Friday April 23, 2010 16:09 Iphiyenia Tournavitou
16:09 KosmosAdmin2:
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16:09
[Comment From Vassilis PetrakisVassilis Petrakis: ]
@ Georg Nightingale: I apologise for intervening to your question to Cynthia
Shelmerdine (such are the pros and cons of chating on-line!) I think the question you
asked is applicable to all sets of tablets. It is an intriguing, but also a potentially
dangerous one: How do we declare the 'sufficiency' of a record?
Friday April 23, 2010 16:09 Vassilis Petrakis
16:09
16:09
[Comment From Iphiyenia TournavitouIphiyenia Tournavitou: ]
Thank you all very much for your comments!!! I put a lot of thought and a lot of
work into this, to understand the whole picture, and I hope I have 'read' it
correctly....
Friday April 23, 2010 16:09 Iphiyenia Tournavitou
[Comment From Luca GirellaLuca Girella: ]
Congratulation, Iphigenia, I liked how you combined the all stuff!
Friday April 23, 2010 16:09 Luca Girella
16:09
[Comment From Lena PapazoglouLena Papazoglou: ]
Iphigeneia, Congratulations for the good work. It is good that you commented on the
secular character of mycenaean palaces and their wall paintings
Friday April 23, 2010 16:09 Lena Papazoglou
16:08
[Comment From Anne ChapinAnne Chapin: ]
@Iphiyenia - a most interesting paper! Thanks!
Friday April 23, 2010 16:08 Anne Chapin
16:08
[Comment From pietro militellopietro militello: ]
Fascinating paper. A dynamic in the choices of themes just opposite to what
happened in Crete. By the way, a decorated "stoa" (with animal, hunting or
sacrificial) was perhaps also at Ayia Triada.
Friday April 23, 2010 16:08 pietro militello
16:08
[Comment From Cynthia ShelmerdineCynthia Shelmerdine: ]
@Georg: This is an important question. Only the scribe could actually read them, I
think, but the Ta tablets form a record of stored wealth and prestige, about to be used
on a particular occasion. In addition to the useful purpose, maybe stating such full
information was also purpose, to affirm the wealth/prestige. This is a very unusual
series, with perhaps a more symbolic purpose than usual. I’m still thinking about
this issue though.
Friday April 23, 2010 16:08 Cynthia Shelmerdine
16:08
[Comment From Carlos VariasCarlos Varias: ]
To Iphigenia: Thank you very much for this splendid paper. It is a great help to me
to work with the Mycenae's tablets. I look foraward to seeing the print version, and
to see you again!!
Friday April 23, 2010 16:08 Carlos Varias
16:05
ashlarblocks:
Louise: @Iphiyenia - wonderful paper!
Friday April 23, 2010 16:05 ashlarblocks
16:04
Angelos Papadopoulos:
@Iphigenia: A great paper indeed. It is so good to see these iconographic motifs
outside the megaron of Mycenae and the palatial complex in general. Much to talk
about when we meet at Athens. Thank you
Friday April 23, 2010 16:04 Angelos Papadopoulos
16:02
Judith Weingarten:
Thank you, Iphiyena. Putting it all together like that makes very good sense.
Friday April 23, 2010 16:02 Judith Weingarten
16:01
malgorzata siennicka:
@Iphigenia – Thank you very much for an inspiring paper (as always!)
Friday April 23, 2010 16:01 malgorzata siennicka
16:01
Kostas Paschalidis:
Thank you Iphiyenia!
Friday April 23, 2010 16:01 Kostas Paschalidis
15:57
[Comment From Vassilis PetrakisVassilis Petrakis: ]
@ Ruth Palmer (if out there!): I hope to see more on your work in progress which
Tom referred to. Perhaps in Paris?
Friday April 23, 2010 15:57 Vassilis Petrakis
15:56
[Comment From VanghelisVanghelis: ]
Iphigenia, I cannot of course see the details but could this be a 'sacral knot' and not a
woman on the right?
Friday April 23, 2010 15:56 Vanghelis
15:56
15:52
[Comment From Georg NightingaleGeorg Nightingale: ]
@Cynthia: Maybe I have missed this point (if so, I apologize for asking this
question). Who do you think was supposed to read this detailed and sophisticated
listing of the Ta tablets? You mentioned that a much shorter description would have
sufficed for the administrative needs of the administration as we know it from the
Linear B tablets.
Friday April 23, 2010 15:56 Georg Nightingale
[Comment From VanghelisVanghelis: ]
Iphigenia this is most impressive work that you have put into this!
Friday April 23, 2010 15:52 Vanghelis
15:48
[Comment From Georg NightingaleGeorg Nightingale: ]
@Tom: Your identification of kosmos by the palace to its surrounding is most
convincing. Can you define a border between the palatial zone (within this system of
kosmos) and the outside zone not under direct palatial control, to which the kosmos
of the palatial state rather might look like a threat to local independent ways of life
and power structures.
Friday April 23, 2010 15:48 Georg Nightingale
15:48
[Comment From emily eganemily egan: ]
@Mary Jane: definitely a possibility! I wish we had more of the colored bits
preserved...
Friday April 23, 2010 15:48 emily egan
15:45 KosmosAdmin2:
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15:44 Richard Firth:
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15:42
[Comment From Mary Jane CuylerMary Jane Cuyler: ]
@Emily Egan: The "repaired" table is an interesting idea, but I think we should be
cautious about placing our ideas of "kosmos" on the Mycenaeans. Perhaps the
"erratic" appearance was, to them, beautiful and intentional?
Friday April 23, 2010 15:42 Mary Jane Cuyler
15:41
[Comment From Julie HrubyJulie Hruby: ]
I'm really looking forward to seeing these papers in print - there are so many
complex ideas that I know I'm not fully processing yet.
Friday April 23, 2010 15:41 Julie Hruby
15:41
15:41
[Comment From Vassilis PetrakisVassilis Petrakis: ]
@ Tom Palaima: Thank you for a most inspiring paper! Indeed, the imposition of
the palatial culture must have involved a significant change in the cosmological
perspectives of contemporary communities. The palace, to them, must have surely
have felt like a different 'kosmos' in its other sense, 'world'.
Friday April 23, 2010 15:41 Vassilis Petrakis
[Comment From Oliver DickinsonOliver Dickinson: ]
@Tom: liked the paper very much. I'm all in favour of putting a positive spin on the
Mycenaean palatial world.
Friday April 23, 2010 15:41 Oliver Dickinson
15:41
[Comment From VanghelisVanghelis: ]
Tom what happened to the traditional farse?
Friday April 23, 2010 15:41 Vanghelis
15:41
15:41
[Comment From Cynthia ShelmerdineCynthia Shelmerdine: ]
@Carlos, Yes, I think it is an inventory before a feast, because the heading mentions
that this inventory is made on a particular occasion, and the equipment is both
furniture and vessels for cooking and serving food. @thank you, Emily, I hadn’t
thought about that possibility for the table, I will see if I can look at it this summer.
The fact that the ‘plugs’ are both red and white, though, suggests they are
decorative, not just utilitarian. @Lena thanks, I send you my paper today too (the
un-cut version!).
Friday April 23, 2010 15:41 Cynthia Shelmerdine
[Comment From Richard FirthRichard Firth: ]
@Cynthia & Tom: Thanks for your interesting papers.
Friday April 23, 2010 15:41 Richard Firth
15:41
[Comment From Carlos VariasCarlos Varias: ]
To Tom: Thank you very much for your splendid and attractive paper. Great to hear
you from Copenhagen.
Friday April 23, 2010 15:41 Carlos Varias
15:35
[Comment From VanghelisVanghelis: ]
Tom loved your paper. Hope to see you soon
Friday April 23, 2010 15:35 Vanghelis
15:35
[Comment From Eleni DrakakiEleni Drakaki: ]
To Tom Palaima: another great paper! Thank you!
Friday April 23, 2010 15:35 Eleni Drakaki
15:35
[Comment From Georgia FloudaGeorgia Flouda: ]
@ Cynthia and Tom: Thank you for your very interesting papers!
Friday April 23, 2010 15:35 Georgia Flouda
15:35
Kostas Paschalidis:
@ T.G.Palaima: Τον ΚΟΣΜΟΝ άρτι εκόσµησες. Thank you!
Friday April 23, 2010 15:35 Kostas Paschalidis
15:34
Judith Weingarten:
Tom, great fun but is it an aesthetic sense ... or the bureaucratic mind at work?
Friday April 23, 2010 15:34 Judith Weingarten
15:32
ashlarblocks:
Louise: Great papers from Tom and Cynthia.
Friday April 23, 2010 15:32 ashlarblocks
15:30
[Comment From emily eganemily egan: ]
@Cynthia. Many thanks. I still wonder, however, about the erratic overall
appearance created by the inlay. Is it possible that the bits of red and white stone are
actually plugs? Maybe the table was used at some time as a drill surface and it's
being superficially "repaired" to make it useable in a palatial context? Do you think
this is at all possible?
Friday April 23, 2010 15:30 emily egan
15:29
[Comment From Neculai BolohanNeculai Bolohan: ]
Good by to you all. Hope to see you next time in the Aegaeum Kosmos !!! Excelent
technical conditions. Amazing and interesting contributions. Wish you luck again,
Marie Louise and Robert !!!
Friday April 23, 2010 15:29 Neculai Bolohan
15:29
[Comment From Lena PapazoglouLena Papazoglou: ]
@Cynthia. My mail is mann@otenet. gr and I am sending you my paper today.
Friday April 23, 2010 15:29 Lena Papazoglou
15:29
15:29
[Comment From Carlos VariasCarlos Varias: ]
To Cynthia: thank you for the remark, I knew it, but Killen thinks that it is a check
of parafernalia, most of the objects in good state, but not all, before a feast, to repair
the damaged objects.
Friday April 23, 2010 15:29 Carlos Varias
[Comment From Oliver DickinsonOliver Dickinson: ]
@ Tom: love your ancient Greek!
Friday April 23, 2010 15:29 Oliver Dickinson
15:22
[Comment From Cynthia ShelmerdineCynthia Shelmerdine: ]
@emily egan: The section of my text on the Pylos stonetable was omitted due to the
technical problems. The table is of variegated marble, and the little holes were
indeed for inlay. Some still retained small red and white stone inlay pieces. The info.
is in Palace of Nestor Volume I.
Friday April 23, 2010 15:22 Cynthia Shelmerdine
15:22
Karen Foster:
to Ezra: published paper will have lots of Mesop refs, most relevant of which, I
think, is the Sumerian text about Shulgi's boat. Thanks for thinking of Mari etc.
Friday April 23, 2010 15:22 Karen Foster
15:21
[Comment From Sascha MauelSascha Mauel: ]
The *Guest* was me... having some problems with the technology of my computer!
Sometimes no sound, sometimes the chat collapses... I'm missing a lot here.
Friday April 23, 2010 15:21 Sascha Mauel
15:19
[Comment From Cynthia ShelmerdineCynthia Shelmerdine: ]
@Lena: Yes I really liked your paper, and I look forward to the full version. Maybe
we could exchange drafts? I am cwshelm@gmail.com
Friday April 23, 2010 15:19 Cynthia Shelmerdine
15:19
[Comment From Ezra MarcusEzra Marcus: ]
oops. continuation: boat depicted on the Aghia Triadha sarcophagus.
Friday April 23, 2010 15:19 Ezra Marcus
15:19
15:19
[Comment From VanghelisVanghelis: ]
Cynthia, yes this is what I am asking. The devils advocate would say that H2
recorded who was the scribe that originally recorded these items and H2 merely
copied (as he does with some of H21's work)
Friday April 23, 2010 15:19 Vanghelis
[Comment From Lena PapazoglouLena Papazoglou: ]
Thomas, I am very pleased to hear at least your voice. Hope to see you in Athens
Friday April 23, 2010 15:19 Lena Papazoglou
15:18
[Comment From Ezra MarcusEzra Marcus: ]
To Karen: another east-west boat "adornment" connection is a reference at Mari to
the production of a precious stone inlaid (model) ka-pi-ta-ri-tu boat, which has been
compared to the "inlaid
Friday April 23, 2010 15:18 Ezra Marcus
15:18
[Comment From Cynthia ShelmerdineCynthia Shelmerdine: ]
Thank you to all for comments, and to Mary Louise for coming to my rescue. Sorry
for the problems with my presentation. @Carlos I do not think all the objects are
damaged, because the damage is specifically noted in just a couple of cases. Where
not noted, no damage. @Vanghelis: the tables are on Ta 642, 713, 715.
Friday April 23, 2010 15:18 Cynthia Shelmerdine
15:17
[Comment From emily eganemily egan: ]
@Cynthia: I really enjoyed your paper! I wanted to ask: what is your feeling about
the irregularly shaped holes in the surface of the Pylos stone table. Do you think that
they are for inlay even though they appear to have no clear overall design?
Friday April 23, 2010 15:17 emily egan
15:16 KosmosAdmin2:
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15:16
[Comment From Julie HrubyJulie Hruby: ]
@Cynthia: I think you're right about the importance of material and would take the
ligatures of material with vessel ideograms as added evidence.
Friday April 23, 2010 15:16 Julie Hruby
15:16
[Comment From GuestGuest: ]
WHAT A SHOCKING SOUND! .... Marie-Louise, I could clearly hear your
liberating laughter!
Friday April 23, 2010 15:16 Guest
15:15
[Comment From Ezra MarcusEzra Marcus: ]
I hope so, Louise. It's been a few years since I have visited the site and given an
evening guest lecture.
Friday April 23, 2010 15:15 Ezra Marcus
15:15
[Comment From Oliver DickinsonOliver Dickinson: ]
@ Cynthia - great work.
Friday April 23, 2010 15:15 Oliver Dickinson
15:15
[Comment From Cynthia ShelmerdineCynthia Shelmerdine: ]
@Vanghelis: raises the question of whether Pukeqiri is Hand 2 or not! Ta 711 says
this is what Pukeqiri saw. Hard to imagine Hand 2 was not present; this is quite
detailed information to recite if you aren't looking at the pieces.
Friday April 23, 2010 15:15 Cynthia Shelmerdine
15:13
[Comment From Nancy ThomasNancy Thomas: ]
To Karen, How could I NOT love reading your paper? It is wonderful and about
lions and griffins, my original subjects! If anyone wants to continue Judith's
suggestion about lions and griffins in seals, I made a catalog that might help, in my
earlier incarnation (diss. Nancy A. Rhyne, The Aegean Animal Style: The Lion,
Griffin, and Sphinx, UNC 1970). Karen, I really enjoyed reading your paper and
love the idea of the Lion Group. Hello to Ben.
Friday April 23, 2010 15:13 Nancy Thomas
15:12
[Comment From emily eganemily egan: ]
This is VERY belated, but many many thanks to Kristian Kristiansen for reading my
paper yesterday. I was unable to sign onto chat at the time and I want him to know
that I really appreciate his help!
Friday April 23, 2010 15:12 emily egan
15:12
[Comment From Carlos VariasCarlos Varias: ]
Cynthia: Thank you very much for your fantastic paper. I am lloking forward to read
your interpretation of po-ro-e-ke, ko-ro-no-we-sa, etc. About the aim of the writing,
what do you think about Killen's proposal (an inventory of damaged objects before a
feasting)?
Friday April 23, 2010 15:12 Carlos Varias
15:12
[Comment From Lena PapazoglouLena Papazoglou: ]
Cynthia, thank so much for the information and the insights of your paper. I have to
quote your paper in the published vertion of my paper on gold and ivory pieces on
an (assumed) wooden coffin
Friday April 23, 2010 15:12 Lena Papazoglou
15:12
ashlarblocks:
Louise: Hi Ezra, will you be visiting us at Safi this July?
Friday April 23, 2010 15:12 ashlarblocks
15:12
[Comment From Julie HrubyJulie Hruby: ]
@Cynthia: I *love* it!
Friday April 23, 2010 15:12 Julie Hruby
15:11
[Comment From VanghelisVanghelis: ]
Super paper; do you assume that scribe 2 was the one who recorded them or do you
think that he copied the info from someone else? What is your view?
Friday April 23, 2010 15:11 Vanghelis
15:11
[Comment From Janice CrowleyJanice Crowley: ]
Cynthia, Very much enjoyed your paper. So sorry to miss you at KOSMOS.
Friday April 23, 2010 15:11 Janice Crowley
15:10
John Younger:
Cynthia: neat gleaning of social information from the scribes' presentation of
information!
Friday April 23, 2010 15:10 John Younger
15:09
[Comment From Sabine BeckmannSabine Beckmann: ]
@Louise: Thanks for the info - I shall keep that in mind.
Friday April 23, 2010 15:09 Sabine Beckmann
15:09
[Comment From Eleni DrakakiEleni Drakaki: ]
To Cynthia Shelmerdine: thank you! Always important to see - or not - the
correlations of archaeological material and epigraphic evidence.
Friday April 23, 2010 15:09 Eleni Drakaki
15:08
[Comment From Mary Jane CuylerMary Jane Cuyler: ]
Oh, okay, it's comparative evidence. I asked too soon :)
Friday April 23, 2010 15:08 Mary Jane Cuyler
15:08
[Comment From Mary Jane CuylerMary Jane Cuyler: ]
Cynthia, why are the cooking & serving pots assumed to be bronze?
Friday April 23, 2010 15:08 Mary Jane Cuyler
15:06
[Comment From Cynthia ShelmerdineCynthia Shelmerdine: ]
@Vanghelis: due to powerpoint problem it skipped to the next slide; there was
supposed to be a table there with all the information discussed
Friday April 23, 2010 15:06 Cynthia Shelmerdine
15:05
Karen Foster:
Many thanks to everyone for your comments and suggestions!
Friday April 23, 2010 15:05 Karen Foster
15:05
[Comment From Marsia BealbyMarsia Bealby: ]
@Karen, talking about dolphins and dolpinoid creatures, have a look at vase from
el-Lisht tomb 879 decorated with dolphins and birds, of problematic origin.
Friday April 23, 2010 15:05 Marsia Bealby
15:05
[Comment From VanghelisVanghelis: ]
Cynthia, hope you are really well. Great to hear you. Please send a copy of your list
of tablets for tables as we cannot see the numbers of tablets... ek47@kent.ac.uk
Friday April 23, 2010 15:05 Vanghelis
15:05
[Comment From Ezra MarcusEzra Marcus: ]
Hello Judith. I am following the lectures intermittently as my kids are home from
day care. I really enjoyed the earlier presentations on loomweights. Hope you are
well.
Friday April 23, 2010 15:05 Ezra Marcus
14:59
ashlarblocks:
@Sabine: a former student, Dave Collard, is writing his PhD on intoxicating
substances at Nottingham, you'll probably find that of greater interest.
Friday April 23, 2010 14:59 ashlarblocks
14:57
Judith Weingarten:
Ezra. nice to have you aboard!
Friday April 23, 2010 14:57 Judith Weingarten
14:56
Helena Tomas:
Great to hear your voice, Cynthia! Let's e-mail soon about your visit in October. I
was looking forward to discussing it in Copenhagen, but....
Friday April 23, 2010 14:56 Helena Tomas
14:56
Karen Foster:
Query for all: have accepted Epidauros fragment as showing dolphin, but does
anyone think it might be a griffin with crest?
Friday April 23, 2010 14:56 Karen Foster
14:56
14:56
[Comment From Marsia BealbyMarsia Bealby: ]
@Karen, great paper. Your paper adds on solving the 'mystery' of the presence of
Minoan frescoes at Dab'a.I am 'touching' upon the fresco fleet in my Ph.D thesis,
which is discussed along with the Daba frescoes. Please feel free to contact me if
you need anything: mas486@bham.ac.uk
Friday April 23, 2010 14:56 Marsia Bealby
ashlarblocks:
Louise: @Karen: wonderful paper. I have a student working on maritime
symbolism. I know your paper will be a valuable addition to her bibliography.
Friday April 23, 2010 14:56 ashlarblocks
14:56
[Comment From Sabine BeckmannSabine Beckmann: ]
@ Louise: Looking forward to that article!
Friday April 23, 2010 14:56 Sabine Beckmann
14:56
Judith Weingarten:
@Karen. Not sure but it's the largest corpus of images and, if dual groups existed,
they should have left some glyptic traces.
Friday April 23, 2010 14:56 Judith Weingarten
14:56
14:55
[Comment From Ezra MarcusEzra Marcus: ]
As a maritime archaeologist from the Levant (Israel), allow me to express my
appreciation to Karen Polinger Foster for an excellent paper. One point that might be
of interest regarding lionesses and the sea is that already in the Middle Bronze Age,
the lioness chasing a snake, which is an epithet for the maritime deity Asherah,
appears at Tell Daba on cylinder seal (see Aaron Brody's discussion of this
combination along with a depiction of Baal in his book on Canaanite and Phoenician
maritime religion).
Friday April 23, 2010 14:56 Ezra Marcus
[Comment From Loeta TyreeLoeta Tyree: ]
Thanks for a stimulating paper Karen and ditto to Nancy's wonderful reading of
multiple papers.
Friday April 23, 2010 14:55 Loeta Tyree
14:55
14:53
[Comment From Robert LaffineurRobert Laffineur: ]
Many thanks for your kind words at the beginning of your paper. I have also to
acknowledge the wonderful contribution you have all done over the years. Aegaeum
and the Aegean conferences would simply not have existed without all of you.
Friday April 23, 2010 14:55 Robert Laffineur
Karen Foster:
Judith, neat idea, how would it work?
Friday April 23, 2010 14:53 Karen Foster
14:53
ashlarblocks:
Louise: @Sabine: Pomegranates and poppy capsules are very similar in appearance,
and it is not always possible to distinguish them in ancient art. What does
differentiate them is the pomegranate crown, which is thinner, higher and with
sharper points, while the poppy crown is a low, broad ring with rounded edges on it.
It's not always this clearcut. Sometimes color or the presence of scoring marks to
extract the latex come into play. I actually have an extensive discussion of this in an
article under submission.
Friday April 23, 2010 14:53 ashlarblocks
14:52
Judith Weingarten:
Postulating griffin and lion groups might be testable via seals/seal impressions....
Friday April 23, 2010 14:52 Judith Weingarten
14:51
[Comment From Jacke PhillipsJacke Phillips: ]
Karen: Wonderful paper. And lovely to pull in Egypt and Mesopotamia for
comparanda. Good luck with the book.
Friday April 23, 2010 14:51 Jacke Phillips
14:50
Karen Foster:
Nancy, thanks SO much for your beautiful reading of my paper!
Friday April 23, 2010 14:50 Karen Foster
14:50
[Comment From Cynthia ShelmerdineCynthia Shelmerdine: ]
@Oliver: Hi boss!
Friday April 23, 2010 14:50 Cynthia Shelmerdine
14:49
[Comment From VanghelisVanghelis: ]
Karen thank you for a most exciting paper, I think there is a lot to be done with boat
iconography. Very inspiring
Friday April 23, 2010 14:49 Vanghelis
14:49
[Comment From Janice CrowleyJanice Crowley: ]
Karen, What a pleasure to listen to your assessments of boat ornament!
Friday April 23, 2010 14:49 Janice Crowley
14:49
[Comment From Bryan BurnsBryan Burns: ]
Many thanks to Nancy T. for her smooth and *tireless* reading of so many papers!
Friday April 23, 2010 14:49 Bryan Burns
14:48
[Comment From Sascha MauelSascha Mauel: ]
Sorry for asking about the poppy bud. Obviously I missed a key part of Louises
paper. Unfortunately I have problems with the sound of my laptop...!
Friday April 23, 2010 14:48 Sascha Mauel
14:48
[Comment From Oliver DickinsonOliver Dickinson: ]
@ Cynthia: Hi, Lefty!
Friday April 23, 2010 14:48 Oliver Dickinson
14:48
14:48
[Comment From Eleni DrakakiEleni Drakaki: ]
To Karen Polinger Foster: wonderful paper! It is wonderful how the knowledge of
Near East and Egypt may help us towards a better understanding of aspects of
Aegean culture.
Friday April 23, 2010 14:48 Eleni Drakaki
[Comment From Jacke PhillipsJacke Phillips: ]
Cynthia: my email is jp39@soas.ac.uk
Friday April 23, 2010 14:48 Jacke Phillips
14:48
Jane Johnsen:
Cynthia Selmerdines presentation will have vocal addition by Marie Louise Nosch
Friday April 23, 2010 14:48 Jane Johnsen
14:44
[Comment From Cynthia ShelmerdineCynthia Shelmerdine: ]
I'm on line and happy to answer questions about my paper. Also someone in
Copenhagen is going to have to read out two sections where the Powerpoint
narration skipped (Microsoft doesn't like Macs!)
Friday April 23, 2010 14:44 Cynthia Shelmerdine
14:44
[Comment From Vasif SahogluVasif Sahoglu: ]
Congragulations organizers for making this very interesting meeting online.
Unfortunately I was stranded in London and struggling to come back to Ankara all
this ime so missed most of the meeting. I will try to catch up. All the best, Vasıf.
Friday April 23, 2010 14:44 Vasif Sahoglu
14:44
[Comment From VanghelisVanghelis: ]
Julie and Louise, thank you, great work
Friday April 23, 2010 14:44 Vanghelis
14:43
[Comment From FritzFritz: ]
Louise, you are welcome! Sorry for my extra-terrestrial Austrian pidgin-English
accent!
Friday April 23, 2010 14:43 Fritz
14:43
[Comment From Sabine BeckmannSabine Beckmann: ]
@Louise: How do you tell apart an opium poppy pod from a pomegranate? Opium
would have been an import to Crete, and from what I have seen becomes popular as
decorative motive mostly in Postpalatial times.
Friday April 23, 2010 14:43 Sabine Beckmann
14:43
[Comment From Cynthia ShelmerdineCynthia Shelmerdine: ]
@Jacke, I'll have to look it up and will let you know. what's your email?
Friday April 23, 2010 14:43 Cynthia Shelmerdine
14:43
Jane Johnsen:
The last set of papers will be presented on Monday in the same way, including chat,
as has been the case for the past three days. The programme for monday will be
posted at the latest by midnight tonight.
Friday April 23, 2010 14:43 Jane Johnsen
14:40
[Comment From Cynthia ShelmerdineCynthia Shelmerdine: ]
@Jacke,
Friday April 23, 2010 14:40 Cynthia Shelmerdine
14:40
[Comment From Josephine VerduciJosephine Verduci: ]
@Jane: Does that mean not all papers are being presented?
Friday April 23, 2010 14:40 Josephine Verduci
14:39
ashlarblocks:
Louise: @Jo, the dog belonged to some German tourists and I had to have a photo of
him because I have wire haired terriers
Friday April 23, 2010 14:39 ashlarblocks
14:36
[Comment From Julie HrubyJulie Hruby: ]
@Louise: I love the last picture!
Friday April 23, 2010 14:36 Julie Hruby
14:35
ashlarblocks:
Louise: Thanks everyone! John, I took down the link, just the kind of thing I'm
looking for. The capital from Knossos is an opium pod. The stone seat without back
I showed is from Hala Sultan Tekke, Cyprus. @Alexandra: e-mail me and I'll send
you a copy: lahi@unimelb.edu.au
Friday April 23, 2010 14:35 ashlarblocks
14:35
Jane Johnsen:
Dear Josephine. There are no sessions or presentations scheduled for tomorrow
Friday April 23, 2010 14:35 Jane Johnsen
14:32
[Comment From Kathrin MüllerKathrin Müller: ]
Thanks for this very interesting conference! I am glad about having the opportunity
listen to the papers without being at Kopenhagen!
Friday April 23, 2010 14:32 Kathrin Müller
14:32
[Comment From Sascha MauelSascha Mauel: ]
@Louise Hitchcock: The decorative element from Knossos, which you have shown
more than on time in your paper, remind me very much of a cutted poppy bud,
drained for the euphorigenic and narcotic meconium (poppy juice). Any connection?
Friday April 23, 2010 14:32 Sascha Mauel
14:32
[Comment From Julie HrubyJulie Hruby: ]
@Judith: I think that's likely. If we were able to differentiate sources, it would be
interesting to see if there's any correlation between aesthetic qualities and contextual
cues to class - I like Walter Muller's approach to differentiating value in metals and
wonder if we could do something comparable for stone.
Friday April 23, 2010 14:32 Julie Hruby
14:32
[Comment From Valia PapanastasopoulouValia Papanastasopoulou: ]
@Louise: Great paper, Louise, I really enjoyed it.
Friday April 23, 2010 14:32 Valia Papanastasopoulou
14:32
[Comment From Josephine VerduciJosephine Verduci: ]
@Marie-Louise: you're most probably over worked I'm sure - but is there a schedule
for tomorrow that will be available soon
Friday April 23, 2010 14:32 Josephine Verduci
14:32
14:32
[Comment From emily eganemily egan: ]
Hi Louise, I really enjoyed your paper! I'm interested in this separate stone seat
(without a back) from Knossos that you showed. Is this the one from the Throne
Room or something different? (my computer froze for a second so missed this bit...)
Friday April 23, 2010 14:32 emily egan
[Comment From Luca GirellaLuca Girella: ]
@Kosta: yesterday I meant tangless mirror, sorry!
Friday April 23, 2010 14:32 Luca Girella
14:32
[Comment From Luca GirellaLuca Girella: ]
@Louise: congratulation, I liked your paper!
Friday April 23, 2010 14:32 Luca Girella
14:32
14:32
[Comment From Marsia BealbyMarsia Bealby: ]
@Louise: Congratulations on the wonderful view of the architectural adornment
inter-influences in the Eastern Mediterranean. I really enjoyed your paper. It made
me travel all around the Eastern Mediterranean in 20 minutes, without the need of
catching a flight : )
Friday April 23, 2010 14:32 Marsia Bealby
[Comment From Anne ChapinAnne Chapin: ]
Very interesting paper, Louise! Thanks!
Friday April 23, 2010 14:32 Anne Chapin
14:32
14:32
[Comment From Josephine VerduciJosephine Verduci: ]
@Louise: congrats on a great paper Louise! Was that your dog I saw in a photo? I
find the the issue of emulation of prestige items with the past as opposed to that of
other cultures of great interest.
Friday April 23, 2010 14:32 Josephine Verduci
[Comment From Loeta TyreeLoeta Tyree: ]
Louise, great range of parallels and observations.
Friday April 23, 2010 14:32 Loeta Tyree
14:32
14:32
[Comment From Alexandra AlexandriAlexandra Alexandri: ]
@Louise: I can’t believe this… I had an urgent phone call from work just when your
paper was starting, which I had to take and I just missed all of your paper. Is there a
chance of getting something from you (e.g. summary) – I’d really like to hear what
you had to say.
Friday April 23, 2010 14:32 Alexandra Alexandri
[Comment From Janice CrowleyJanice Crowley: ]
Great, Louise. Glad to hear more on the International Style again!
Friday April 23, 2010 14:32 Janice Crowley
14:32
[Comment From Jacke PhillipsJacke Phillips: ]
Cynthia, Louise: I don't think the ancients would have mixed them up, myself. Are
the ribbed and fluted columns used together without a pattern in their arrangement?
Friday April 23, 2010 14:32 Jacke Phillips
14:31
John Younger:
Louise: great variety! and good comparanda from Cyprus & Philistia. Spolia: also
the Elgin plaques from Atreus!:
http://kuscholarworks.ku.edu/dspace/handle/1808/4404
Friday April 23, 2010 14:31 John Younger
14:26
Judith Weingarten:
Great paper, Louise. I do like 'Isochrestic Variation' and intend to apply it.
Friday April 23, 2010 14:26 Judith Weingarten
14:26
ashlarblocks:
Louise: @Fritz, Thank you so much for reading my paper, and to Marie-Louise and
the other organizers, thank you for facilitating these presentations from afar!
Friday April 23, 2010 14:26 ashlarblocks
14:26
Judith Weingarten:
@Julie, aesthetics yes, but there is also the problem of availability at different times,
e.g. amethyst gets lighter (poorer quality) and lapis lazuli is almost always second
rate quality (by Near Eastern standards). Carnelian, on the other hand, might simply
be from different sources over time.
Friday April 23, 2010 14:26 Judith Weingarten
14:19
14:18
[Comment From Julie HrubyJulie Hruby: ]
@Judith: sorry, I wasn't as clear as I should have been: the reason it matters whether
Minoans differentiated kinds of carnelian is that different sources may have different
aesthetics (i.e., Indian flame-shot stuff).
Friday April 23, 2010 14:19 Julie Hruby
ashlarblocks:
Louise: @Cynthia: Noted, I will go into more detail in the footnotes :-)
Friday April 23, 2010 14:18 ashlarblocks
14:18
[Comment From Jacke PhillipsJacke Phillips: ]
Sorry, hit the wrong button.... Ribbed columns are the stone version of a bundle of
reeds tied together. I'n not sure what the origin of fluting is.
Friday April 23, 2010 14:18 Jacke Phillips
14:17
[Comment From Cynthia ShelmerdineCynthia Shelmerdine: ]
@ Jackie and Louise: both convex and concave impressions preserved for columns
in Palace of Nestor/Pylos
Friday April 23, 2010 14:17 Cynthia Shelmerdine
14:17
[Comment From Jacke PhillipsJacke Phillips: ]
Louise. The ribbing represents a bundle of reeds tied togerher
Friday April 23, 2010 14:17 Jacke Phillips
14:15
ashlarblocks:
Louise: @Jackie: point taken, but do we know that ancients would've made the same
distinction?
Friday April 23, 2010 14:15 ashlarblocks
14:14
[Comment From Jacke PhillipsJacke Phillips: ]
Can we get the difference between fluted and ribbed straight. The Zoser columns are
ribbed, not fluted. Fluting is what you find on Doric columns, with concave curves
in profile coming to a point. Ribbed is when the profiles are convex.
Friday April 23, 2010 14:14 Jacke Phillips
14:11
[Comment From Julie HrubyJulie Hruby: ]
@Anna Lucia: I wish I could. I don't personally feel confident in my abilities to date
seals stylistically to make that kind of distinction, and context is so problematic for
seals, that I have felt obligated to paint with a broad brush.
Friday April 23, 2010 14:11 Julie Hruby
14:11
[Comment From Julie HrubyJulie Hruby: ]
@Judith: because I think it's gorgeous, I tended to think of it as being rare, until I
started making a list of artifacts, at which point I started to realize it's everywhere. I
suspect that different kinds/colors may have been differentiated - the flame-shot
stuff versus browner versus orangey - but without Munsells, I can't really be sure.
Friday April 23, 2010 14:11 Julie Hruby
14:11
[Comment From Eva Andersson StrandEva Andersson Strand: ]
Kostas it is great the hear from you to. Your presentation yesterday was very
interesting.
Friday April 23, 2010 14:11 Eva Andersson Strand
14:06
[Comment From anna lucia dagataanna lucia dagata: ]
very interesting, july, thank you, I wonder whether you can distinguish in terms of
aestethic preferences between LM IIIA and IIIB
Friday April 23, 2010 14:06 anna lucia dagata
14:04
[Comment From Eva Andersson StrandEva Andersson Strand: ]
To Julie: My pleasure, it was really very interesting and I have learned a lot
Friday April 23, 2010 14:04 Eva Andersson Strand
14:04
Judith Weingarten:
@Julie, thanks for that paper. I suspect that carnelian (wherever it came from) was
not too expensive. It's very widely used in the Near East and Egypt too. A big Indian
export industry?
Friday April 23, 2010 14:04 Judith Weingarten
14:03
[Comment From Georgia FloudaGeorgia Flouda: ]
Thank you for the very interesting paper Julie!
Friday April 23, 2010 14:03 Georgia Flouda
14:03
John Younger:
Nice paper, Julie -- I always love your statistics!
Friday April 23, 2010 14:03 John Younger
14:03
Kostas Paschalidis:
Great to hear to a study focusing on the aesthetic value of an impressive (and
common) material instead of its socio-religious connotations! Eva, so good to see
you and hear you!
Friday April 23, 2010 14:03 Kostas Paschalidis
14:02
[Comment From Julie HrubyJulie Hruby: ]
Many thanks to Eva Andersson Strand for reading my paper.
Friday April 23, 2010 14:02 Julie Hruby
14:02
[Comment From emily eganemily egan: ]
Nice job, Julie! Really interesting ideas!
Friday April 23, 2010 14:02 emily egan
14:00
[Comment From Julie HrubyJulie Hruby: ]
@Jacke et al: my email is hrubyj@berea.edu
Friday April 23, 2010 14:00 Julie Hruby
14:00
[Comment From Janice CrowleyJanice Crowley: ]
Many thanks, Julie.
Friday April 23, 2010 14:00 Janice Crowley
14:00
[Comment From Sabine BeckmannSabine Beckmann: ]
I believe we should express our thanks to those able guys!
Friday April 23, 2010 14:00 Sabine Beckmann
14:00
[Comment From Loeta TyreeLoeta Tyree: ]
It is amazing what it takes both behind and in front of the scene to produce a live
broadcast!
Friday April 23, 2010 14:00 Loeta Tyree
14:00
14:00
[Comment From Lucia AlbertiLucia Alberti: ]
@Sabine. You are right and I strongly believe that the Theran crocus are the
Autumns ones. I just write a paper on SMEA 2009. And I must refer to the splendid
paper of Susan Ferrence on this topic!
Friday April 23, 2010 14:00 Lucia Alberti
[Comment From Jacke PhillipsJacke Phillips: ]
Julie: Someone else looking at use! We have to talk.
Friday April 23, 2010 14:00 Jacke Phillips
14:00
[Comment From GuestGuest: ]
Dear all
Friday April 23, 2010 14:00 Guest
14:00
[Comment From Julie HrubyJulie Hruby: ]
@Karen: that sounds interesting, thanks!
Friday April 23, 2010 14:00 Julie Hruby
14:00
[Comment From Elizabeth ShankElizabeth Shank: ]
@Anya-that's a great idea-thank you!
Friday April 23, 2010 14:00 Elizabeth Shank
13:56
John Younger:
High tech! Thanks for the photos! It's always good to know that there are many
people involved in this great enterprise!
Friday April 23, 2010 13:56 John Younger
13:54
Annette Borrell:
Dear all - we have now uploaded som photos "behind the scenes" from our producer
team in the control room. Please view this link:
http://ctr.hum.ku.dk/conferences/kosmos/controlroom
Friday April 23, 2010 13:54 Annette Borrell
13:50
Karen Foster:
Julie, you might find Dominique Collon's article on the wearing of seals in Mesop
useful, seem to be lots of parallels.
Friday April 23, 2010 13:50 Karen Foster
13:48
[Comment From VanghelisVanghelis: ]
Karen, this is fascinating, the differentiation between early and late seals.
Friday April 23, 2010 13:48 Vanghelis
13:48
[Comment From carole gilliscarole gillis: ]
to Marsia--many thanks
Friday April 23, 2010 13:48 carole gillis
13:47
[Comment From Marsia BealbyMarsia Bealby: ]
@Carole: frescoschool@frescoschool.org. Please tell him that I am sending you.
Friday April 23, 2010 13:47 Marsia Bealby
13:47
[Comment From Sabine BeckmannSabine Beckmann: ]
@Lucia: The spring crocuses are extremely rare in Crete and flower onlz high in the
mountains.
Friday April 23, 2010 13:47 Sabine Beckmann
13:47
[Comment From Anaya SarpakiAnaya Sarpaki: ]
To Elizabeth....that is truly a problem....maybe with infra-red photography?
Friday April 23, 2010 13:47 Anaya Sarpaki
13:45
[Comment From carole gilliscarole gillis: ]
to all --thanks for all the good information on murex color. Marsia--do you have an
email address?
Friday April 23, 2010 13:45 carole gillis
13:44
[Comment From Elizabeth ShankElizabeth Shank: ]
@Anya: Could the Lady of the Landscape have held something not preserved that
would represent summer? I'd like to think so!
Friday April 23, 2010 13:44 Elizabeth Shank
13:44
13:44
[Comment From Marsia BealbyMarsia Bealby: ]
@Carol, I know that Ilia Anossov (fresco school-please google it) has experimented
with painting frescoes with 'Minoan painting techniques. I have contacted him in the
past for the Dab'a frescoes and I am sure he will be able to answer some of the more
practical questions.
Friday April 23, 2010 13:44 Marsia Bealby
[Comment From Cynthia ShelmerdineCynthia Shelmerdine: ]
Pylos use of murex purple paint in the megaron, as opposed to other rooms, I think.
Highlighting its special nature-Friday April 23, 2010 13:44 Cynthia Shelmerdine
13:44
[Comment From VanghelisVanghelis: ]
Thanks Elizabeth I am @ ek47@kent.ac.uk
Friday April 23, 2010 13:44 Vanghelis
13:44
[Comment From Lucia AlbertiLucia Alberti: ]
Speaking about seasons is quite complicate. The crocus which has therapethical
effects appears in Autumn, but there are many other crocuses also during the Spring
Friday April 23, 2010 13:44 Lucia Alberti
13:43
[Comment From Elizabeth ShankElizabeth Shank: ]
@Carole: There is a trmendous amount of murex purple paint on the paiintings from
Pylos which Hariklia Brekoulaki is studying (for example, the Lyre Player). So I
think that as fragments are cleaned and re-studied, we may find more, indicating that
as a paint, it has good "lasting poer."
Friday April 23, 2010 13:43 Elizabeth Shank
13:43
[Comment From Anaya SarpakiAnaya Sarpaki: ]
Elizabeth thank you for your paper and those wonderful depictions of the older
ladies! Just an impression....but I have the feeling that not seasons are depicted
...summmer seems to be missing I believe....all others are there I think! What does
that mean?? Food for thought!
Friday April 23, 2010 13:43 Anaya Sarpaki
13:43
[Comment From Bernice JonesBernice Jones: ]
Hi Elizabeth - Great paper!
Friday April 23, 2010 13:43 Bernice Jones
13:42
[Comment From Anne ChapinAnne Chapin: ]
Thanks, Elizabeth! Very nice paper!
Friday April 23, 2010 13:42 Anne Chapin
13:42
13:42
[Comment From Elizabeth ShankElizabeth Shank: ]
Hi Marcia! Yes, I believe that flowers which bloom in diffeent seasons are
deliberately shown in order to evoke different tines of year, perhaps having
implications as to when the rituals take place.
Friday April 23, 2010 13:42 Elizabeth Shank
[Comment From Anne ChapinAnne Chapin: ]
Thanks, Elizabeth! Very nice!
Friday April 23, 2010 13:42 Anne Chapin
13:42
[Comment From Elizabeth ShankElizabeth Shank: ]
@John-Thank you! Your work was obviously a huge help.
Friday April 23, 2010 13:42 Elizabeth Shank
13:40
ashlarblocks:
Louise: @Carole, I don't know about paint, but Ann Brysbaert has written on the use
of murex shells in the tempering of plaster, which is interesting.
Friday April 23, 2010 13:40 ashlarblocks
13:40
Karen Foster:
Hi again from New Haven. On murex colors, I seem to recall that when Pat
McGovern was working on murex, he did some experiments with it as paint.
Friday April 23, 2010 13:40 Karen Foster
13:39
[Comment From Elizabeth ShankElizabeth Shank: ]
@Vanghelis: It's from 'Youth and Age in the Theran Frescoes'- I can send you the
exact reference when I am at my office.
Friday April 23, 2010 13:39 Elizabeth Shank
13:39
13:38
[Comment From Marcia NugentMarcia Nugent: ]
@ Elizabeth. I enjoyed your paper very much. Perhaps the figures are represented in
different seasons - a broader temporal field than recording a single instance of ritual
or activity... hence the different flowering seasons represented in their adornment.
Friday April 23, 2010 13:39 Marcia Nugent
John Younger:
Elizabeth: fascinating presentation! Many thanks!
Friday April 23, 2010 13:38 John Younger
13:37
[Comment From VanghelisVanghelis: ]
Elisabeth great paper. Do you have the quote on Ellen's paper saying about the
division of the old and young in Xeste III?
Friday April 23, 2010 13:37 Vanghelis
13:37
[Comment From carole gilliscarole gillis: ]
Does anyone know how practically one would/could paint with 'murex' color? How
permanent would it be in a plaster etc. environment? how would it be mixed?
Friday April 23, 2010 13:37 carole gillis
13:37
[Comment From Alexandra AlexandriAlexandra Alexandri: ]
@Vanghelis: we haven’t applied to the IMF yet, we have just gone to the ECB.
Either way, forget about dogs.
Friday April 23, 2010 13:37 Alexandra Alexandri
13:35
13:34
[Comment From Sabine BeckmannSabine Beckmann: ]
@Elizabeth: The N- and S- wall ladies seem to belong to the same time of year now, when roses and lilies flower. A necklace of saffron could - if at all - only made
of fresh ones, available only in autumn.
Friday April 23, 2010 13:35 Sabine Beckmann
[Comment From Marsia BealbyMarsia Bealby: ]
Vanghelis, I am nearly convinced that we were co-students in Athens, are you from
Corinth by any chance? Do email me (google me so you trace my email).
Friday April 23, 2010 13:34 Marsia Bealby
13:34
[Comment From Georg NightingaleGeorg Nightingale: ]
@Schallin: Your paper is very interesting. It casts a new light on the place of e.g. the
small objects in a high status building.
Friday April 23, 2010 13:34 Georg Nightingale
13:32
[Comment From Georg NightingaleGeorg Nightingale: ]
@Schallin: How do you classify this interesting combination of glass bead core,
gold covering, again with details set off by glass?
Friday April 23, 2010 13:32 Georg Nightingale
13:32
[Comment From Elizabeth ShankElizabeth Shank: ]
Thank you for the refernce, Judith!
Friday April 23, 2010 13:32 Elizabeth Shank
13:30
Judith Weingarten:
Torque-like necklaces on some Zakro Master Bird-Ladies (e.g. CMS II.7 132-33).
Friday April 23, 2010 13:30 Judith Weingarten
13:28
[Comment From Marsia BealbyMarsia Bealby: ]
Some wonderful pictures of frescoes... : )
Friday April 23, 2010 13:28 Marsia Bealby
13:26
[Comment From VanghelisVanghelis: ]
The news is that Greece is going to the IMF today...so soon I may be able to afford a
dog too! Only kidding.
Friday April 23, 2010 13:26 Vanghelis
13:25
[Comment From Robert LaffineurRobert Laffineur: ]
It seems to me that one of the two fragments of relief plaques from Midea has a
representation of a centaur.
Friday April 23, 2010 13:25 Robert Laffineur
13:23
[Comment From Eleni KonstantinidiEleni Konstantinidi: ]
Hallo, anne-Louise, thank you for your synthetic paper! I am sorry, I did not hear
very well at some point: the gold-plated glass bead you showed, did you say that the
leaf was made in a mould and then the details were added? As far as I can tell, thin
gold leaf was beaten out of a plate, it was not cast, I have tried it with a technician
friend of mine, it is not possible to cast it.
Friday April 23, 2010 13:23 Eleni Konstantinidi
13:21
[Comment From Tobias MuehlenbruchTobias Muehlenbruch: ]
to Ann-Louise Schallin: But you do have LH III C Late pottery (as bad as the phase
is defined) from Midea, without architecture, haven't you?
Friday April 23, 2010 13:21 Tobias Muehlenbruch
13:21
Jane Johnsen:
Hi all. Currently we have 102 people active online
Friday April 23, 2010 13:21 Jane Johnsen
13:19
John Younger:
So great to see you, Nancy!
Friday April 23, 2010 13:19 John Younger
13:11
[Comment From Sabine BeckmannSabine Beckmann: ]
That is the advantage of cats - mine come and go since the morning (mainly sitting
with me), obviously liking the constant voices from the computer.
Friday April 23, 2010 13:11 Sabine Beckmann
13:11
[Comment From emily eganemily egan: ]
I'm glad to hear it! I agree - this is a really great idea!
Friday April 23, 2010 13:11 emily egan
13:06
[Comment From Jacke PhillipsJacke Phillips: ]
Emily: Hi! It is, thank you. Having a great time here.
Friday April 23, 2010 13:06 Jacke Phillips
13:06
[Comment From Cynthia ShelmerdineCynthia Shelmerdine: ]
Yes my dog is happy for the break too!
Friday April 23, 2010 13:06 Cynthia Shelmerdine
13:03
John Younger:
Ute: Many thanks!
Friday April 23, 2010 13:03 John Younger
13:02
Jane Johnsen:
We are now back on track
Friday April 23, 2010 13:02 Jane Johnsen
13:02
13:00
Ute Günkel-Maschek:
@ John: Kypraiou 1997 seems to refer to: Greek jewellery : 6,000 years of tradition
: Thessaloniki, Villa Bianca, 21 December 1997 - 21 February 1998 ; Thessaloniki,
Cultural Capital of Europe 1997 / Ministry of Culture. Exhibition Greek Jewellery,
6,000 Years of Tradition. [General editor, Evangelia Kypraiou; textual editing,
Diana Zaphiropoulou Maria Kazakou ; translation, David Hardy, Alex Doumas]
Athens: Archaeological Receipts Fund, 1997. - 455 p. : col. ill., map
Friday April 23, 2010 13:02 Ute Günkel-Maschek
ashlarblocks:
Louise: the break was perfect for playing rope toss with the dog.
Friday April 23, 2010 13:00 ashlarblocks
12:59
ashlarblocks:
Louise: @John and others: please e-mail your comments to Dora at
dorac@unimelb.edu.au Thanks!
Friday April 23, 2010 12:59 ashlarblocks
12:51
[Comment From Julie HrubyJulie Hruby: ]
The break is perfect - just enough time to make toast.
Friday April 23, 2010 12:51 Julie Hruby
12:47
John Younger:
Nice to have a break! (good time to walk dogs)
Friday April 23, 2010 12:47 John Younger
12:46
[Comment From emily eganemily egan: ]
John: Sounds great. Many thanks for the reference! The last part of my paper (which
unfortunately wasn't able to be read because of time) deals with the function of the
jars in their "dressed" state. Berggren's views should be really useful.
Friday April 23, 2010 12:46 emily egan
12:46
[Comment From Marsia BealbyMarsia Bealby: ]
Dora and Lilian have done a really good job in this paper, as always. I happened to
be a student of Lilian in 2000-2004, in Athens. She shared with me her enthusiasm
about archaeology and the more 'practical' aspects of it.
Friday April 23, 2010 12:46 Marsia Bealby
12:46
KosmosAdmin2:
The broadcast is back on in 15 mins with Ann-Louise Schallin's paper :)
Friday April 23, 2010 12:46 KosmosAdmin2
12:45
John Younger:
Dora & Lilian: very interesting approach! What's the reference to Kypraiou 1997? (I
couldn't find it in Nestor).
Friday April 23, 2010 12:45 John Younger
12:44
Kostas Paschalidis:
Kalimera from Athens! This was such an interesting overview of jewellery!
Friday April 23, 2010 12:44 Kostas Paschalidis
12:42
[Comment From emily eganemily egan: ]
and Hi to Jacke from Athens! I hope your back has recovered since I last saw you!
Friday April 23, 2010 12:42 emily egan
12:42
[Comment From Marie-Louise NoschMarie-Louise Nosch: ]
We welcome Abby Lillethun from New Jersey who arrives last night in Copenhagen
on a bus from Athens...She will give her paper tonight.
Friday April 23, 2010 12:42 Marie-Louise Nosch
12:42
[Comment From Sabine BeckmannSabine Beckmann: ]
@John: Sounds really interesting.
Friday April 23, 2010 12:42 Sabine Beckmann
12:42
John Younger:
Emily: Her study is very wide ranging (all sorts of periods & cultures).
Friday April 23, 2010 12:42 John Younger
12:39
[Comment From emily eganemily egan: ]
John: No, but it sounds really interesting! I'll have a look soon. Does she deal with
pottery of all periods?
Friday April 23, 2010 12:39 emily egan
12:39
12:39
[Comment From Marie-Louise NoschMarie-Louise Nosch: ]
Since we are now ahead of time, there will be a short break in the streaming after
this paper. We continue again at 1.00 (Danish time) with Ann-Louise Schallin's
paper read by Robert Laffineur.
Friday April 23, 2010 12:39 Marie-Louise Nosch
[Comment From Marsia BealbyMarsia Bealby: ]
@Vanghelis: That's right. Very interesting point.
Friday April 23, 2010 12:39 Marsia Bealby
12:37
John Younger:
Emily Egan & Sabine: Do you know this fascinating article?: Berggren, Kristina,
"Why Embroider Pottery?" Journal of Prehistoric Religion 7 (1993) 8-25.
Friday April 23, 2010 12:37 John Younger
12:37
[Comment From Sabine BeckmannSabine Beckmann: ]
@Emily: Interesting idea - may be they would do both in the actual ritual...
Friday April 23, 2010 12:37 Sabine Beckmann
12:36
[Comment From Jacke PhillipsJacke Phillips: ]
John: Paper sent to your email address.
Friday April 23, 2010 12:36 Jacke Phillips
12:36
12:36
[Comment From VanghelisVanghelis: ]
Its been a few years since I last worked on hieroglyphs but I think I am right that in
Egypt the seated ideogram represents a child. A 'seated' figure also exists on the
Geneva lentoid CMS II3 261
Friday April 23, 2010 12:36 Vanghelis
[Comment From Jacke PhillipsJacke Phillips: ]
Marsia. Yes, it is. I had fun researching it, too.
Friday April 23, 2010 12:36 Jacke Phillips
12:35
[Comment From Alexandra AlexandriAlexandra Alexandri: ]
@ Jörg and Richard: Thanks to both for your answer as it may affect the way we reexamine our recent conceptions of ambiguous figures in iconography.
Friday April 23, 2010 12:35 Alexandra Alexandri
12:35
[Comment From Elizabeth ShankElizabeth Shank: ]
Hi-checking to see if I'm online.....
Friday April 23, 2010 12:35 Elizabeth Shank
12:33
[Comment From Marsia BealbyMarsia Bealby: ]
@Jacke: Is this paper the one on JAEI 1-2? I have accessed it - very enlightening
paper.
Friday April 23, 2010 12:33 Marsia Bealby
12:33
[Comment From GuestGuest: ]
Hi Sabine - I just wanted to respond to your question about my paper yesterday. I
was having computer trouble and couldn't participate in the chat! Yes, I do think that
the Palace Style Jars could have been ritually "dressed" - although I think that the
dressing was done with paint rather than real cloth.
Friday April 23, 2010 12:33 Guest
12:33
[Comment From petya hristovapetya hristova: ]
@ Vanghelis: the existing chronologies, Dietz, Graziadio, Laffineur and others. It
does not seem that my reconstruction would change much in terms of artifact
chronologies.
Friday April 23, 2010 12:33 petya hristova
12:33
[Comment From Marie-Louise NoschMarie-Louise Nosch: ]
Hi - I hope I am online now:)
Friday April 23, 2010 12:33 Marie-Louise Nosch
12:31
John Younger:
Jörg: the prototype for Linear A VIR+KA appears on a sealstone: CMS I, no. 414
(MM II: Malia Workshop) -- the figure appears seated (!).
Friday April 23, 2010 12:31 John Younger
12:31
[Comment From Sabine BeckmannSabine Beckmann: ]
@Emily: Right here.
Friday April 23, 2010 12:31 Sabine Beckmann
12:30
[Comment From Marie-Louise NoschMarie-Louise Nosch: ]
Hej Jane (test)
Friday April 23, 2010 12:30 Marie-Louise Nosch
12:30
12:30
[Comment From Sascha MauelSascha Mauel: ]
@Lilian Καραλή: Κρίµα που δεν µπορώ να σας ξαναδώ τώρα στην πατρίδα µου. Με
θυµάστε, νοµίζω...; Πέρασαν πέντε χρόνια από τότε που ακολούθησα το µάθηµά
σας στο Καποδιστριακό (σεισµούς στην προϊστορική Κρήτη).
Friday April 23, 2010 12:30 Sascha Mauel
[Comment From petya hristovapetya hristova: ]
Greetings! Hi Vanghelis! Am I late? I was taking notes on the previous papers -excellent papers, tons of learning!
Friday April 23, 2010 12:30 petya hristova
12:30
[Comment From Jørg WeilhartnerJørg Weilhartner: ]
@ Mary Jane: Thank you for getting up that early! I have to think about
*akimbo*...
Friday April 23, 2010 12:30 Jørg Weilhartner
12:30
[Comment From emily eganemily egan: ]
Hi, is Sabine Beckmann there?
Friday April 23, 2010 12:30 emily egan
12:27
ashlarblocks:
Louise Hitchcock: My colleague Dora Constantinidis is grateful to Tobias for
reading her joint paper. She has put in a long day of work today and may not be
monitoring the conference at the moment. You can e-mail questions to her at:
dorac@unimelb.edu.au
Friday April 23, 2010 12:27 ashlarblocks
12:25
Sophia Vakirtzi:
@Anaya Sarpaki : γειά σας από Αθήνα κυρία Σαρπάκη ! Η κίνηση στην
Αλεξάνδρας δεν µε άφησε να ακούσω την ανακοίνωσή σας χτες...ελπίζω να τη
διαβάσω σύντοµα !
Friday April 23, 2010 12:25 Sophia Vakirtzi
12:24
John Younger:
Jacke Philips: I very much would like to see your paper. I know that amethyst beads
are abundant (they contrast markedly with the seals). The publisher of the the
Corinth tholos will be Iota Kasimi (a preliminary publication of the tholos -- but not
seals -- appeared in the acts of the Loutra conference in Spring 2009). I am aware
that amethyst production in Egypt may have stopped in MK times -- so I have
played with the idea of one or a few shipments in MM times. But I welcome the
expertise of others on this!
Friday April 23, 2010 12:24 John Younger
12:23
[Comment From VanghelisVanghelis: ]
Petya really good to hear your voice. I am fascinated by your analysis of the burial
successions in the grave circle. Have you got more on that?
Friday April 23, 2010 12:23 Vanghelis
12:21
12:21
[Comment From Richard FirthRichard Firth: ]
@Alexandra Alexandri: I agree with Jorg, I can't think of an example where VIR
was used to represent a group including a female (or MUL used for a group
including a male). However, OVISm is sometimes used to represent a number of
sheep including both males and females.
Friday April 23, 2010 12:21 Richard Firth
[Comment From Jørg WeilhartnerJørg Weilhartner: ]
@ John: I am no expert in Linear A. At the moment, I am not convinced that in
Linear A we have a clear indication of gender on any variants of the logogram
Friday April 23, 2010 12:21 Jørg Weilhartner
12:21
[Comment From Sabine BeckmannSabine Beckmann: ]
@Cynthia : How about "soldier"?
Friday April 23, 2010 12:21 Sabine Beckmann
12:17
[Comment From Tobias MuehlenbruchTobias Muehlenbruch: ]
@ Jörg: Great paper!
Friday April 23, 2010 12:17 Tobias Muehlenbruch
12:17
[Comment From Jørg WeilhartnerJørg Weilhartner: ]
@ Alexandra: I don*t think that there is a single example in Linear B where one of
the logograms may stand for person
Friday April 23, 2010 12:17 Jørg Weilhartner
12:15
12:14
[Comment From Cynthia ShelmerdineCynthia Shelmerdine: ]
Thanks to John for more information on matching seals. And @Jörg, I really like
your idea that the 'seated man' ideogram is actually striding. Does anyone have
iconographic suggestions about what that pose would convey on a tablet? Different
from the regular ideogram? Palmer thought it (*103) signified 'crafstman'; Lejeune
suggested it could mean 'slave'!
Friday April 23, 2010 12:15 Cynthia Shelmerdine
[Comment From Jørg WeilhartnerJørg Weilhartner: ]
Thank you all for your encouraging comments
Friday April 23, 2010 12:14 Jørg Weilhartner
12:12
John Younger:
Jörg: very interesting! Do I understand you correctly? In Linear A, you do not see
VIR+313 or VIR+KA as gendered?
Friday April 23, 2010 12:12 John Younger
12:12
12:11
[Comment From Alexandra AlexandriAlexandra Alexandri: ]
@ Jörg Weilhartner: Very interesting paper! Could you say that one (man or
woman) of the Linear-B signs can also stand for “person” (as in modern signs, for
exits, danger etc., where the stick figure –an abstraction of the male body- stands for
human)?
Friday April 23, 2010 12:12 Alexandra Alexandri
Alessandro Greco:
It's a very interesting and good interpretation, that can open new fields of research
also for other ideograms. Compliments
Friday April 23, 2010 12:11 Alessandro Greco
12:11
12:11
[Comment From Mary Jane CuylerMary Jane Cuyler: ]
Jörg, great paper! I am up at 6 AM to see it :) Coffee isn't even boiling yet! Is it
possible that the womens' crossed arms in the Linear B tablets and figurines indicate
that their arms are "akimbo"?
Friday April 23, 2010 12:11 Mary Jane Cuyler
[Comment From Richard FirthRichard Firth: ]
@Jorg: Nice Paper !!
Friday April 23, 2010 12:11 Richard Firth
12:11
[Comment From Angelika BaierAngelika Baier: ]
Very nice presentation! We have to talk about that when you`re back in Vienna :-)
Friday April 23, 2010 12:11 Angelika Baier
12:10
[Comment From Jacke PhillipsJacke Phillips: ]
Judith: Yes, very. There are some from early Dynasty 13, but after that the mines
apparently played out. This was the point of the paper I mentioned to John below.
Amethyst appears regularly after that only in the Roman period.
Friday April 23, 2010 12:10 Jacke Phillips
12:07
[Comment From Sascha MauelSascha Mauel: ]
@Jörg: This is absolutely not my field of research, but the comparisons of
logograms with the pictoral images you show appear to be very persuasive.
Interesting!
Friday April 23, 2010 12:07 Sascha Mauel
12:07
Judith Weingarten:
John, Jacke, aren't amethyst seals fairly rare even in Egypt after Dyn XII?
Friday April 23, 2010 12:07 Judith Weingarten
12:05
[Comment From VanghelisVanghelis: ]
Indeed, a remarkable contrast of iconography and ideograms
Friday April 23, 2010 12:05 Vanghelis
12:05
[Comment From VanghelisVanghelis: ]
You guys must be really proud, not only you have turned adversity into a fabulous
event, but also your papers are extremely useful and thougth provoking. Well done.
Friday April 23, 2010 12:05 Vanghelis
12:00
[Comment From Marie-Louise NoschMarie-Louise Nosch: ]
What a fantastic combination of ideograms/logograms and iconography, Jörg!
Friday April 23, 2010 12:00 Marie-Louise Nosch
12:00
ashlarblocks:
Louise H. @John: I suspect more than 1 Minoan mason working on the mainland. I
discuss mechanism for the movement of builders in an article in Ancient West and
East
Friday April 23, 2010 12:00 ashlarblocks
11:59
[Comment From emily eganemily egan: ]
thank you, sasha! i'm very happy to have finally logged on.
Friday April 23, 2010 11:59 emily egan
11:59
Sophia Vakirtzi:
@Eva Andersson Strand : thank you
Friday April 23, 2010 11:59 Sophia Vakirtzi
11:58
[Comment From VanghelisVanghelis: ]
Somehow I cannot see my comment from before, Pietro bravo, very very interesting
paper. Want to know more about this.
Friday April 23, 2010 11:58 Vanghelis
11:58
11:58
[Comment From Marie-Louise NoschMarie-Louise Nosch: ]
This paper is given by the real author, Jörg Weilhartner, who fortunately managed to
get here by train from Austria. He can answer your questions and receive your
comments here.
Friday April 23, 2010 11:58 Marie-Louise Nosch
[Comment From Ioannis IliopoulosIoannis Iliopoulos: ]
hello to all from Patras. @John, thank u for the presentation. Are all these seels
recognised macroscopically from the point of view of mineralogy?
Friday April 23, 2010 11:58 Ioannis Iliopoulos
11:57
11:57
[Comment From Eva Andersson StrandEva Andersson Strand: ]
To Sohpia, I really do not know, it might be possible and as Carole said wool is very
fat and can be used for polishing. However I do not think that any analyses have
been made
Friday April 23, 2010 11:57 Eva Andersson Strand
John Younger:
Thanks, all, for your kind comments. JW: since stylistically, both the lapis and the
"porcelaine" (clay) seal seem to me to be the same, so I assume the same artist.
Friday April 23, 2010 11:57 John Younger
11:57
11:56
Sophia Vakirtzi:
this trait is very distinctive especially in large conical whorls from Skala Sotiros.
Wondering if maybe it should be examined as a fiber criterion, in case the
size/"polishing" trait coexistance is certified in the yet unexamined sample
Friday April 23, 2010 11:57 Sophia Vakirtzi
[Comment From pietro militellopietro militello: ]
I would suggest to CTR a practical experiment for use wear over burnished/polished
surface, withour (also economic at least mine) help, obviously
Friday April 23, 2010 11:56 pietro militello
11:56
[Comment From Jacke PhillipsJacke Phillips: ]
Thank you John, great paper. We should get in contact about amethyst in Greece. I
recently wrote a paper on just that (all, not just seals), but in an Egyptian publication
so you likely haven't seen it. I can send you a pdf. It is amazing just how much
amethyst is in Greece. The Corinth one is new to me, so thanks for that too, but
didn't get the names of the people publishing the tomb.
Friday April 23, 2010 11:56 Jacke Phillips
11:56
[Comment From Marsia BealbyMarsia Bealby: ]
@John. Great paper.
Friday April 23, 2010 11:56 Marsia Bealby
11:56
[Comment From GuestGuest: ]
Greatful
Friday April 23, 2010 11:56 Guest
11:56
[Comment From Janice CrowleyJanice Crowley: ]
Congrats, John. You always give us food for thought.
Friday April 23, 2010 11:56 Janice Crowley
11:56
[Comment From Marie-Louise NoschMarie-Louise Nosch: ]
John, Jo and I are very sorry about some mixing up between ms, ppt and voice, but it
eventually worked.
Friday April 23, 2010 11:56 Marie-Louise Nosch
11:55
Judith Weingarten:
@ John, one quick question. If the seals are Cretan mfr, who made the clay copy of
the scratching dog?
Friday April 23, 2010 11:55 Judith Weingarten
11:54
[Comment From VanghelisVanghelis: ]
Thanks John, great paper.
Friday April 23, 2010 11:54 Vanghelis
11:54
ashlarblocks:
Louise H. @John, great paper but very dense - lots to think about.
Friday April 23, 2010 11:54 ashlarblocks
11:54
[Comment From Valia PapanastasopoulouValia Papanastasopoulou: ]
@John. Thank u John for the vivid paper. Wonderful job!
Friday April 23, 2010 11:54 Valia Papanastasopoulou
11:53
[Comment From GuestGuest: ]
@John, I have really enjoyed your paper. All these lovely pictures of seals!!!
Friday April 23, 2010 11:53 Guest
11:53
11:53
[Comment From pietro militellopietro militello: ]
@§Vakirtzi. This was also a possible I considered /the polishin as the result of the
thread, but in my cases they are biconical, and a homogeneous polishing seem
unprobable.
Friday April 23, 2010 11:53 pietro militello
Judith Weingarten:
We should talk about this, John, but it's a little difficult while so much else is going
on.
Friday April 23, 2010 11:53 Judith Weingarten
11:53
John Younger:
M-L: that went well! barking dogs and all! Thanks!
Friday April 23, 2010 11:53 John Younger
11:53
Sophia Vakirtzi:
Thank you professor Militello
Friday April 23, 2010 11:53 Sophia Vakirtzi
11:52
[Comment From pietro militellopietro militello: ]
In some of my spindle whorls I have traces of something as a brush. Moreover,
"whirling" traces (of the burnishing tool?)are also present
Friday April 23, 2010 11:52 pietro militello
11:52
[Comment From Sascha MauelSascha Mauel: ]
A warm welcome to emily from Aθήνα!
Friday April 23, 2010 11:52 Sascha Mauel
11:51
Sophia Vakirtzi:
@Sacha : Thank you very much. I would also like to discuss decorated whorls from
Kastanas with you, I think i found an equivalent of the Kastanas at Skala Sotiros. I
presented it at AEMTH this March. Please feel free to e-mail me.
sophiavakirtzi@hotmail.com
Friday April 23, 2010 11:51 Sophia Vakirtzi
11:50
11:49
[Comment From Annette PohlkeAnnette Pohlke: ]
Hi, everyone. Couldn't make it ealier today and will probably have to leave eralier,
but a conference where you can drop in for just two hours, if this is the time that you
have is great. :)
Friday April 23, 2010 11:50 Annette Pohlke
[Comment From emily eganemily egan: ]
hello from athens! after some technical problems i have finally managed to get chat
working. this is so exciting!
Friday April 23, 2010 11:49 emily egan
11:48
Sophia Vakirtzi:
@Sacha : Thank you very much for this insight ! Hard and smooth object..do these
wear traits have a distinctive direction ?
Friday April 23, 2010 11:48 Sophia Vakirtzi
11:48
ashlarblocks:
Louise: I like the dog soundtrack, reminds me of my house
Friday April 23, 2010 11:48 ashlarblocks
11:47
[Comment From Sascha MauelSascha Mauel: ]
@Sophia: ooops.... send too early. There are clearly smoothing traces, running along
the radial surface of the whorls, i.e. from the hole to the largest diameter.
Friday April 23, 2010 11:47 Sascha Mauel
11:45
[Comment From Anaya SarpakiAnaya Sarpaki: ]
Thank you Eva for making it so clear to non-weavers....
Friday April 23, 2010 11:45 Anaya Sarpaki
11:45
[Comment From Sascha MauelSascha Mauel: ]
@Sophia: most of the "polished" spindle whorls from Bronze/Iron Age Kastanas
that I have investigated clearly show that they have indeed been smoothed with a
hard, smooth object (very likely a stone), which is indicated by
Friday April 23, 2010 11:45 Sascha Mauel
11:43
[Comment From Eva Andersson StrandEva Andersson Strand: ]
Thank you Marie-Louise It is great to be home and thank you John and Sacha for
your nice comments
Friday April 23, 2010 11:43 Eva Andersson Strand
11:43
[Comment From Marie-Louise NoschMarie-Louise Nosch: ]
We can hear your dogs, John!
Friday April 23, 2010 11:43 Marie-Louise Nosch
11:42
[Comment From carole gilliscarole gillis: ]
continuing on this thread that Sophia raised..could the oils in the wool ahve an effect
in this 'burnishing'? Have any analyses been made of the clay fabric by the holes?
Friday April 23, 2010 11:42 carole gillis
11:39
[Comment From Sabine BeckmannSabine Beckmann: ]
@Ida : Thanks. I shall try and make one of the heavy Cretan Kermes oak wood. If it
works that would possibly explain why in some areas no whorls are found where
one would expect them.
Friday April 23, 2010 11:39 Sabine Beckmann
11:39
John Younger:
Please forgive the barking, outraged dogs in the background! I had to lock them out
of the house in order to record this.
Friday April 23, 2010 11:39 John Younger
11:39
[Comment From Marie-Louise NoschMarie-Louise Nosch: ]
Great to hear your paper, John!
Friday April 23, 2010 11:39 Marie-Louise Nosch
11:38
11:35
Sophia Vakirtzi:
to spinning experimentalists : regarding polished whorl surfaces . Could this
"polishing" result from the friction of the accumulated thread on the surface of the
whorl - of course after extended period of usage ? (i am referring to the flat surface
of (large) conical whorls)
Friday April 23, 2010 11:38 Sophia Vakirtzi
[Comment From Sascha MauelSascha Mauel: ]
@Eva: A very successful and impressive summary of so many years of work. Thank
you very much!
Friday April 23, 2010 11:35 Sascha Mauel
11:35
[Comment From IDAIDA: ]
oups - send it off too soon. It was carved as a long stick with a thickness in the end. I
think she made it work, but not as a drop spindle. she was "shaking" it.....
Friday April 23, 2010 11:35 IDA
11:34
John Younger:
Eva Strand: very nice overview!
Friday April 23, 2010 11:34 John Younger
11:32
[Comment From IDAIDA: ]
Linda Olufson has tested one from 3oo bc found in Denmark...
Friday April 23, 2010 11:32 IDA
11:32
[Comment From Marie-Louise NoschMarie-Louise Nosch: ]
Thank you to Eva and Jo for coming "home" to CTR from London in time to give
their great papers.
Friday April 23, 2010 11:32 Marie-Louise Nosch
11:31
[Comment From pietro militellopietro militello: ]
@ Manuela: many thanks
Friday April 23, 2010 11:31 pietro militello
11:30
[Comment From Sabine BeckmannSabine Beckmann: ]
Does any of you dealing with spinning here know, if there ever were wooden
spindles for the leightweight variations?
Friday April 23, 2010 11:30 Sabine Beckmann
11:27
11:27
[Comment From emanuela albertiemanuela alberti: ]
Buongiorno to all of you! Yes, I think it is very important to not forget that our main
aim is to understand something of the societies which are involved in the textile
production and the role the latter had in these societies...Many thanks for your paper,
Pietro! sorry, I did not see the previous ones....
Friday April 23, 2010 11:27 emanuela alberti
[Comment From pietro militellopietro militello: ]
@Carole, Marie Louise and Valeri. Thank you
Friday April 23, 2010 11:27 pietro militello
11:27
[Comment From GuestGuest: ]
Bravo Pietro, extremely interesting paper. Great insights
Friday April 23, 2010 11:27 Guest
11:26
[Comment From Sascha MauelSascha Mauel: ]
@CTR: I'm getting sentimental, seeing all these picture sfrom CTR (and Lejre).
Wish I could be there with you know....miss you so much!
Friday April 23, 2010 11:26 Sascha Mauel
11:26
[Comment From Maurizio Del FreoMaurizio Del Freo: ]
Good morning from a rainy Rome
Friday April 23, 2010 11:26 Maurizio Del Freo
11:26
11:25
[Comment From pietro militellopietro militello: ]
@malgorzata. Thank you for pointing at this. It can be that the maximum diameter
was less protected, but this can accentuate the use wears, not create them. In any
case I will consider this possibility better
Friday April 23, 2010 11:26 pietro militello
John Younger:
Pietro: here's an image of the stele: http://people.ku.edu/~jyounger/misc/Larisa.jpg - I'll provide a publication reference later.
Friday April 23, 2010 11:25 John Younger
11:19
[Comment From Valeria LenuzzaValeria Lenuzza: ]
@ Pietro Militello: a thorough analysis! Missing Phaistos so much...
Friday April 23, 2010 11:19 Valeria Lenuzza
11:19
11:19
[Comment From pietro militellopietro militello: ]
Thank you Ida. The powerpoint was the old one and the thanks were missing. To
John, thank you, canyou give the reference? To Vakirtzi, no central perforated sherd,
strangely
Friday April 23, 2010 11:19 pietro militello
[Comment From Sabine BeckmannSabine Beckmann: ]
@John: Send some of the rain over here - we would love to have some more for our
gardens and fields before summer hits
Friday April 23, 2010 11:19 Sabine Beckmann
11:19
11:18
[Comment From carole gilliscarole gillis: ]
It still amazes me how much can be understood not only about weaving and craft
production but about the society as a whole--these excellent three papers are perfect
examples. Congratulations to all three of you, Margarita, Jo and Pietro.
Friday April 23, 2010 11:19 carole gillis
[Comment From Marie-Louise NoschMarie-Louise Nosch: ]
Pietro, I like the emphasis on yarn/thread as a valuable commodity. We tend to
speak only of textiles and to forget the yarn.
Friday April 23, 2010 11:18 Marie-Louise Nosch
11:18
[Comment From Sascha MauelSascha Mauel: ]
@KosmosAdmin2 (ML): Not that it makes a big difference, but - in order to correct
the statistics - I was online yesterday (Wednesday) with 2 PC's: one for showing the
full screen slides, and one for the program and the chat window.
Friday April 23, 2010 11:18 Sascha Mauel
11:18
malgorzata siennicka:
@Pietro Militello – Very interesting paper! Interesting observations on burnished
spindle whorls. I wonder whether signs of wear depend on the quality of clay/firing
or rather regularity of use. At Tiryns signs of use on the EBA spindle whorls are not
at all so common.
Friday April 23, 2010 11:18 malgorzata siennicka
11:16
John Younger:
Pietro: your idea of spun wool as gifts finds support in the Classical period, too: the
stele from Larisa, for example.
Friday April 23, 2010 11:16 John Younger
11:16
Sophia Vakirtzi:
@Pietro Militello : Thank you for this paper. Any circular, centrally perforated
potsherds recorded? (regardless if you consider them spindle whorls or not)
Friday April 23, 2010 11:16 Sophia Vakirtzi
11:10
KosmosAdmin2:
The first day, Wednesday, there were 99 online.
We have not yet received the statistics for yesterday, but I believe were were more.
Yours ML
Friday April 23, 2010 11:10 KosmosAdmin2
11:07
11:06
[Comment From Sabine BeckmannSabine Beckmann: ]
Is there - just for fun - a possibility to number people following the conference? I
wonder if there are not many more than there would have been present in
Kopenhagen originally.
Friday April 23, 2010 11:07 Sabine Beckmann
John Younger:
M-L: Yay! JW: it's raining here too (stooopid volcano!)
Friday April 23, 2010 11:06 John Younger
11:05
KosmosAdmin2:
Goodmorning John! Wee look forward to your paper with recorded voice. Yours
ML
Friday April 23, 2010 11:05 KosmosAdmin2
11:05
Judith Weingarten:
Good morning, John, from Tuscany; raining today.
Friday April 23, 2010 11:05 Judith Weingarten
11:04
John Younger:
Good morning everyone! It's 4 am here in Kansas (the other Oz).
Friday April 23, 2010 11:04 John Younger
11:04
[Comment From Valia PapanastasopoulouValia Papanastasopoulou: ]
Good morning from Chios, Greece. Excellent papers! Great job! Congratulations!
Friday April 23, 2010 11:04 Valia Papanastasopoulou
11:03
[Comment From Jo CutlerJo Cutler: ]
Many thanks Sacha!
Friday April 23, 2010 11:03 Jo Cutler
11:01
ashlarblocks:
Louise H.: Wonderful papers, excellent conference!
Friday April 23, 2010 11:01 ashlarblocks
11:01
Alessandro Greco:
Good morning from Padova, Italy
Friday April 23, 2010 11:01 Alessandro Greco
11:00
[Comment From Sascha MauelSascha Mauel: ]
@Jo: I can only repeat my congrats, previously given to Margarita: Very, very
interesting paper. Can't wait to read your article!
Friday April 23, 2010 11:00 Sascha Mauel
10:59 KosmosAdmin2:
[Private Message to Judith Weingarten] Yes - you're right . It turned out a success, and we're
all very happy for you who are out there in the rest of the world. Annette
Friday April 23, 2010 10:59 KosmosAdmin2
10:59 Judith Weingarten:
[Private Message to KosmosAdmin2] No problem. This whole conference is so fabulous -and I would have missed it otherwise. (Reply Privately)
Friday April 23, 2010 10:59 Judith Weingarten
10:58
[Comment From Janice CrowleyJanice Crowley: ]
Louise in Melbourne AUS with piza and coke on Friday evening at 6.38 pm and me
in Atlanta at 4.38 am in Atlanta USA. What a time spread for KOSMOS! Is there
anyone in California to stretch it further?
Friday April 23, 2010 10:58 Janice Crowley
10:57 KosmosAdmin2:
[Private Message to Judith Weingarten] Judith - now it came up twice:) My fault... Annette
Friday April 23, 2010 10:57 KosmosAdmin2
10:56
[Comment From FritzFritz: ]
Hi, Angelos! Evcharisto poly!
Friday April 23, 2010 10:56 Fritz
10:56
[Comment From Lucia AlbertiLucia Alberti: ]
@ Valeria Lenuzza. Ciao! I think we need to rethink all the effects of the Santorini
eruption!
Friday April 23, 2010 10:56 Lucia Alberti
10:54
Judith Weingarten:
EH IIB Geraki (Lakonia) impression of textile fragment of tabby weave, possibly
weft-faced, probably linen -- although there are no contemporary spindle whorls or
loom weights on the site. (Resending comment. Apologies if duplicated)
Friday April 23, 2010 10:54 Judith Weingarten
10:53 Guest:
[Private Message to KosmosAdmin2] Will do. (Reply Privately)
Friday April 23, 2010 10:53 Guest
10:53 KosmosAdmin2:
[Private Message to Judith Weingarten] Dear Judith - I cannot process your comment. Could
you please forward it again? Annette
Friday April 23, 2010 10:53 KosmosAdmin2
10:52
Angelos Papadopoulos:
@Fritz. Greetings from Athens. I enjoyed your paper very much yesterday. Great
analysis and comments...
Friday April 23, 2010 10:52 Angelos Papadopoulos
10:50
[Comment From Valeria LenuzzaValeria Lenuzza: ]
@ Lucia Alberti: ciao! Did you see how wonderful Kosmos works, despite of the
volcano?!
Friday April 23, 2010 10:50 Valeria Lenuzza
10:49
Judith Weingarten:
EH IIB Geraki (Lakonia) impression of textile fragment of tabby weave, possibly
weft-faced, probably linen -- although there are no contemporary spindle whorls or
loom weights on the site.
Friday April 23, 2010 10:49 Judith Weingarten
10:42
[Comment From Marcia NugentMarcia Nugent: ]
@ Margarita - wonderful paper.
Friday April 23, 2010 10:42 Marcia Nugent
10:42
[Comment From Sascha MauelSascha Mauel: ]
@Margarita: Very, very interesting paper. Thank you so much. Can't wait to read
your article!
Friday April 23, 2010 10:42 Sascha Mauel
10:42
[Comment From Lucia AlbertiLucia Alberti: ]
BUON GIORNO from Rome! And thanks for everything! You have turned a crisis
into a great opportunity for the Aegean KOSMOS!
Friday April 23, 2010 10:42 Lucia Alberti
10:42
[Comment From pietro militellopietro militello: ]
Fine margareta, thank you. Some questions after for the cylindrical loom-weights
Friday April 23, 2010 10:42 pietro militello
10:38
ashlarblocks:
Louise H.: Now settled in with pizza and coke.
Friday April 23, 2010 10:38 ashlarblocks
10:36
10:36
Sophia Vakirtzi:
Spring mating dances were still happening in the Pomakoi villages in Thrace, at
least in 1996 when i visited the area, the girls wearing beautiful black and white
costumes with red aprons.
Friday April 23, 2010 10:36 Sophia Vakirtzi
ashlarblocks:
Louise: @Fritz, Many thanks, I'm blushing :-)
Friday April 23, 2010 10:36 ashlarblocks
10:34
[Comment From Katherina AslanidouKatherina Aslanidou: ]
Good morning everyone!
Friday April 23, 2010 10:34 Katherina Aslanidou
10:34
[Comment From Marie-Louise NoschMarie-Louise Nosch: ]
Goodmorning, Robin!
Friday April 23, 2010 10:34 Marie-Louise Nosch
10:34
[Comment From FritzFritz: ]
Thank you, Louise! Everything is clear. AND: congratulations in advance! Excellent
paper!
Friday April 23, 2010 10:34 Fritz
10:33
[Comment From Sabine BeckmannSabine Beckmann: ]
@Elizabeth: Until the middle of the 20th century Cretans would still have dances on
threshing floors after the end of harvest work - I have been told many couples met
there.
Friday April 23, 2010 10:33 Sabine Beckmann
10:33
Judith Weingarten:
@Elizabeth, some Minoan Bird-Women images (on seals, sealings) do suggest
'fertility' with large breasts but many do not, while some winged human-bird hybrids
don't show breasts at all and can't be sexed. Also, there are Bird-Men, though fewer.
Friday April 23, 2010 10:33 Judith Weingarten
10:30
[Comment From Robin HäggRobin Hägg: ]
Greetings from Lund, Sweden
Friday April 23, 2010 10:30 Robin Hägg
10:25
10:24
[Comment From Sascha MauelSascha Mauel: ]
@Elizabeth: A very interesting and miscellaneous paper - as usually. Thank you for
expanding our horizons so convincingly! Unfortunately, however, I have failed to
take a closer look at your slides with images of a clothed figure from Sitagroi.
Where can I look up this drawing?
Friday April 23, 2010 10:25 Sascha Mauel
Angelos Papadopoulos:
Another good morning from Athens. Enjoy Day 3.
Friday April 23, 2010 10:24 Angelos Papadopoulos
10:23
ashlarblocks:
Louise H.: @Fritz: Good-morning & Thanks for reading my paper later today.
Numbers in bold, in parenthesis, i.e. (1), (2), etc. refer to my numbered ppt slides
and indicate a slide change. Other things in parentheses are footnotes not yet
converted to Aegaeum style and should be ignored. If you have questions about any
pronunciations, e-mail me: lahi@unimelb.edu.au
Friday April 23, 2010 10:23 ashlarblocks
10:21
10:21
[Comment From Marie-Louise NoschMarie-Louise Nosch: ]
Goodmorning dear colleagues. Today we will broadcast 27 papers. please see the
web site for the program, it was updated this morning several times. On Monday we
will broadcast another 18 papers. We cannot accept more papers. Thank you for
your great contributions. Remember that the publication gives you more space and
time for develloping the argument. Yours Robert and Marie-Louise
Friday April 23, 2010 10:21 Marie-Louise Nosch
[Comment From Tobias MuehlenbruchTobias Muehlenbruch: ]
to Dora Constantinidis: Tipota... It is a very interesting approach!
Friday April 23, 2010 10:21 Tobias Muehlenbruch
10:20
[Comment From Marsia BealbyMarsia Bealby: ]
Sorry, the guest from Birmingham campus was me. Forgot to log in. Very
interesting paper.
Friday April 23, 2010 10:20 Marsia Bealby
10:20
[Comment From Sabine BeckmannSabine Beckmann: ]
Chairete from Crete! This is a most amazing paper - very convincing!
Friday April 23, 2010 10:20 Sabine Beckmann
10:20
[Comment From Vassilis PetrakisVassilis Petrakis: ]
Good morning to all Kosmos participants from a sunny Oropos!
Friday April 23, 2010 10:20 Vassilis Petrakis
10:19
[Comment From Sascha MauelSascha Mauel: ]
Kaliméra everybody!
Friday April 23, 2010 10:19 Sascha Mauel
10:19
[Comment From FritzFritz: ]
Good morning and Kalimera from Copenhagen!
Friday April 23, 2010 10:19 Fritz
10:18
KosmosAdmin2:
Dear Celine - you need to reload the page:)
regards from Annette
Friday April 23, 2010 10:18 KosmosAdmin2
10:16
[Comment From Sascha MauelSascha Mauel: ]
Congratulations ... the audio problem seems solved! In contrast to previous days you
can now hear every sound loud and clear.
Friday April 23, 2010 10:16 Sascha Mauel
10:16
[Comment From Valeria LenuzzaValeria Lenuzza: ]
Good morning from Rome!
Friday April 23, 2010 10:16 Valeria Lenuzza
10:16
[Comment From GuestGuest: ]
Good morning from the University of Birmingham UK. I am ready to take lots of
notes.
Friday April 23, 2010 10:16 Guest
10:05
ashlarblocks:
Louise Hitchcock: Good morning everyone from Melbourne where it's evening
Friday April 23, 2010 10:05 ashlarblocks
10:04
malgorzata siennicka:
Dzień dobry from Warsaw!
Friday April 23, 2010 10:04 malgorzata siennicka
10:03
Judith Weingarten:
Good morning all in Copenhagen and around the world.
Friday April 23, 2010 10:03 Judith Weingarten
09:53
Sophia Vakirtzi:
Kalimera from Athens ! Geia sou Dora !
Friday April 23, 2010 09:53 Sophia Vakirtzi
09:53
[Comment From Kristina ÄlvebyKristina Älveby: ]
Impressing! Wishing you a good last day!
Friday April 23, 2010 09:53 Kristina Älveby
09:53
[Comment From Sander BrabanderSander Brabander: ]
Good morning everyone!
Friday April 23, 2010 09:53 Sander Brabander
09:53
[Comment From Dora ConstantinidisDora Constantinidis: ]
Thank you! Dora....
Friday April 23, 2010 09:53 Dora Constantinidis
09:53
[Comment From Dora ConstantinidisDora Constantinidis: ]
Please email me any questions on dorac@unimelb.edu.au
Friday April 23, 2010 09:53 Dora Constantinidis
09:53
[Comment From Dora ConstantinidisDora Constantinidis: ]
On behalf of Lilian Karali and myself I would like to thank Tobias Mühlenbruch
very much for reading out our paper.
Friday April 23, 2010 09:53 Dora Constantinidis
09:52
[Comment From Dora ConstantinidisDora Constantinidis: ]
All the best for today's sessions- sorry wont be online later.
Friday April 23, 2010 09:52 Dora Constantinidis
21:37
Judith Weingarten:
I'm amazed at your stamina. Danes are clearly descended from Vikings!
Thursday April 22, 2010 21:37 Judith Weingarten
21:27
[Comment From Eleni KonstantinidiEleni Konstantinidi: ]
A big thank to our hosts, "see you" all tomorrow!
Thursday April 22, 2010 21:27 Eleni Konstantinidi
21:27
[Comment From Jenny MoodyJenny Moody: ]
Thank you all for very interesting papers (from Texas)
Thursday April 22, 2010 21:27 Jenny Moody
21:27
[Comment From Sabine BeckmannSabine Beckmann: ]
Anaya and Melpo - the son of the last dyer family in Kritsa is an old shoemaker and he likes koybentes! He woyld enjoy meeting you, I believe!
Thursday April 22, 2010 21:27 Sabine Beckmann
21:27
KosmosAdmin2:
Good night dear colleagues and thank you for your fine suggestions, precise
questions and comments. See you tomorrow, yours Marie-Louise
Thursday April 22, 2010 21:27 KosmosAdmin2
21:25
Kostas Paschalidis:
Kalinihta from Athens and thank you very much for this full day!
Thursday April 22, 2010 21:25 Kostas Paschalidis
21:24
ashlarblocks:
Louise: @Jan, yes! Friday morning. Funny, I often keep my computer on Los
Angeles time.
Thursday April 22, 2010 21:24 ashlarblocks
21:24
[Comment From Marcia NugentMarcia Nugent: ]
Anaya - I thoroughly enjoyed your paper and look forward to reading the details of
the plants you have identified from the two Cretan sites and the colours they make.
Thursday April 22, 2010 21:24 Marcia Nugent
21:24
[Comment From Eleni KonstantinidiEleni Konstantinidi: ]
Anayia and Melpo, you managed to keep our interest to the last minute of the
KOSMOS session! Thank you!
Thursday April 22, 2010 21:24 Eleni Konstantinidi
21:24
[Comment From loeta tyreeloeta tyree: ]
Thank you again for an excellent job.
Thursday April 22, 2010 21:24 loeta tyree
21:24
[Comment From GuestGuest: ]
Anaya Melpo, whenever there is reference to dyes I switch on, this was a really
great paper. I have some detailed notes for dyes in east Crete and Kana's workshop.
One particularly interesting point is the seasonality of dyes, as the same plant creates
different dye colours at different times of the year. Good stuff.
Thursday April 22, 2010 21:24 Guest
21:24
[Comment From Annette PohlkeAnnette Pohlke: ]
Good night, see you tomorrow!
Thursday April 22, 2010 21:24 Annette Pohlke
21:23
[Comment From Eleni KonstantinidiEleni Konstantinidi: ]
Thank you all for your nice words! I am glad you enjoyed my paper!
Thursday April 22, 2010 21:23 Eleni Konstantinidi
21:23
[Comment From Katherina AslanidouKatherina Aslanidou: ]
Warmest thanks to Marie Louise, Robert and all participants of Kosmos. It was a
great second day :)
Thursday April 22, 2010 21:23 Katherina Aslanidou
21:23
[Comment From Jacke PhillipsJacke Phillips: ]
FAcinating!!
Thursday April 22, 2010 21:23 Jacke Phillips
21:23
[Comment From Anaya SarpakiAnaya Sarpaki: ]
Thank you all for your comments...see you tomorrow.
Thursday April 22, 2010 21:23 Anaya Sarpaki
21:23
[Comment From Luca GirellaLuca Girella: ]
@Jake: yes, I found your mail address; @Kostas: of course I will send details to
you.
Thursday April 22, 2010 21:23 Luca Girella
21:23
[Comment From Mary Jane CuylerMary Jane Cuyler: ]
Anaya & Melpo, when you say that there were 71 plants for cloth dying, etc, are
these 71 plants you ID'd in your work, or 71 plants available today?
Thursday April 22, 2010 21:23 Mary Jane Cuyler
21:23
[Comment From Valeria LenuzzaValeria Lenuzza: ]
@ Anaya Sarpaki: a fascinating different perspective, I learnt a lot, thank you.
Thursday April 22, 2010 21:23 Valeria Lenuzza
21:23
Angelos Papadopoulos:
Thank you everybody in Copenhagen and elsewhere! "See" you all tomorrow!
Thursday April 22, 2010 21:23 Angelos Papadopoulos
21:23
[Comment From Janice CrowleyJanice Crowley: ]
5.18 am on Friday morning - am I right - i keep my computer on Australian time!
Thursday April 22, 2010 21:23 Janice Crowley
21:22
ashlarblocks:
Louise H. @Kosmos Admin: It's almost 5:30 AM down here! Good night everyone
for another fantastic day!
Thursday April 22, 2010 21:22 ashlarblocks
21:22
Kostas Paschalidis:
Thank you Anaya and Melpo!
Thursday April 22, 2010 21:22 Kostas Paschalidis
21:17
KosmosAdmin2:
Louise H: what time is it now by you? it must be really late/early?
Thursday April 22, 2010 21:17 KosmosAdmin2
21:15
ashlarblocks:
Louise H.: Amazing stuff!
Thursday April 22, 2010 21:15 ashlarblocks
21:14
[Comment From Mary Jane CuylerMary Jane Cuyler: ]
Anaya and Melpo, this is a fascinating presentation. Thank you!
Thursday April 22, 2010 21:14 Mary Jane Cuyler
21:14
[Comment From Marie-Louise NoschMarie-Louise Nosch: ]
Anaya, it is realy usefull for me to hear about the different types of organisation of
dyeing activities, even within Crete. Thank you for making the clear!
Thursday April 22, 2010 21:14 Marie-Louise Nosch
21:11
[Comment From Lena PapazoglouLena Papazoglou: ]
For Eleni: Congatulations for the paper, it does justice to a rather underrated ivory
figure.
Thursday April 22, 2010 21:11 Lena Papazoglou
21:10
[Comment From Bernice JonesBernice Jones: ]
Splendid paper, Eleni - I have worked on this figure and have come to many of the
same conclusions myself. Congratulations!
Thursday April 22, 2010 21:10 Bernice Jones
21:10
[Comment From Jacke PhillipsJacke Phillips: ]
Eleni and Costas both: great papers. We WILL have much to talk about in Athens.
I'm planning late June/July. Will get in touch later on this.
Thursday April 22, 2010 21:10 Jacke Phillips
21:10
[Comment From Valia PapanastasopoulouValia Papanastasopoulou: ]
Yes, its very interesting matter that. Thank u again, I was very impressed by ur
paper.
Thursday April 22, 2010 21:10 Valia Papanastasopoulou
21:10
[Comment From Eva WachaEva Wacha: ]
Dear Eleni, thank very much for the paper we could hear! Its a great work you did
for reconstucion the ivory figurine. Experimental archaeology looks perfect in this
example, congratulations!
Thursday April 22, 2010 21:10 Eva Wacha
21:10
[Comment From Mary Jane CuylerMary Jane Cuyler: ]
Yes, this is a very interesting approach! The figurine reconstruction is so helpful and beautiful.
Thursday April 22, 2010 21:10 Mary Jane Cuyler
21:05
Kostas Paschalidis:
Congratulations Eleni!!!!
Thursday April 22, 2010 21:05 Kostas Paschalidis
21:03
Kostas Paschalidis:
@ Luca: I really need to know from you the Kamilari mirrors. I am not aware of
them. Thank you please e-mail me!
Thursday April 22, 2010 21:03 Kostas Paschalidis
21:02
Kostas Paschalidis:
@Kazimierz: I am aware of the Nafplia simple grave with a mirror, thanks to your
book! I have just illustrated and discussed here only the best preserved cases. Thank
you.
Thursday April 22, 2010 21:02 Kostas Paschalidis
20:59
[Comment From Anaya SarpakiAnaya Sarpaki: ]
Eleni thank you..although it is late here...I am thoroughly enjoying your approach
Thursday April 22, 2010 20:59 Anaya Sarpaki
20:59
[Comment From anna lucia dagataanna lucia dagata: ]
kostas, I much enjoyed your paper and look forward to discussing about it in Athens
...
Thursday April 22, 2010 20:59 anna lucia dagata
20:59
Kostas Paschalidis:
@Valia: It can have definately an explanation that may be connected with certain
beliefs! That's true. Still, what I can suggest is what I can trace from living images.
In addition, it is really interesting that mirrors are held in 5ht century vases and stele
with the left hand! So, the functional factor is there! Thank you very much for your
comment!
Thursday April 22, 2010 20:59 Kostas Paschalidis
20:55
20:55
[Comment From Valia PapanastasopoulouValia Papanastasopoulou: ]
@Kosta a great paper. Congratulations! The left position of many mirrors in the
graves could be possibly the result of the everyday use of the objects? Holding with
the left hand and doing the toilet with the right? Or it could be something else which
has to do with the ideology of the Aegean world?
Thursday April 22, 2010 20:55 Valia Papanastasopoulou
[Comment From Alexandra AlexandriAlexandra Alexandri: ]
@Kostas Paschalidis: How interesting – thank you!
Thursday April 22, 2010 20:55 Alexandra Alexandri
20:55
[Comment From Lena PapazoglouLena Papazoglou: ]
Kostas, well thoughted and well presented. Congratulations!
Thursday April 22, 2010 20:55 Lena Papazoglou
20:55
[Comment From Jacke PhillipsJacke Phillips: ]
Louise H: Absolutely. Sounds like a good idea! Anyone else interested?
Thursday April 22, 2010 20:55 Jacke Phillips
20:53 KosmosAdmin2:
[Private Message to Eleni Konstantinidi] Dear Eleni, sorry we could not make slide 6 work.
But your paper is so fine, and it is nice to hear your voice!
Thursday April 22, 2010 20:53 KosmosAdmin2
20:51
[Comment From Bernice JonesBernice Jones: ]
Excellent paper, Costas
Thursday April 22, 2010 20:51 Bernice Jones
20:51
Kostas Paschalidis:
Thank you all, Vangeli, Valeria, Marie Louise, Luca, Margarita, Frangoula and
Eleni D!
Thursday April 22, 2010 20:51 Kostas Paschalidis
20:51
[Comment From Jacke PhillipsJacke Phillips: ]
Luca Girella: I'm interested in what you've noticed at Kamilari. I didn't look at the
multi-generational tombs as there was just too much in them and I'd need to see the
elements themselves. I'm glad other people are thinking about re-use, as I think it
says so much about the people behind them. Did you get my email in my earlier
blurb to Georg Nightingale?
Thursday April 22, 2010 20:51 Jacke Phillips
20:51
[Comment From Eva WachaEva Wacha: ]
Dear Kostas, very, very interesting and perfect structured paper! Thank you very
much! Also to hear you, was great again. You know, that one of the mirrors will be
discusses in my work and I really like to quote your paper!?
Thursday April 22, 2010 20:51 Eva Wacha
20:48
[Comment From Luca GirellaLuca Girella: ]
well done, Kosta!...and do not forget the two sepcimens from the mycenaean
reoccupation of Kamilari tholos A
Thursday April 22, 2010 20:48 Luca Girella
20:48
[Comment From VanghelisVanghelis: ]
Kosta, Mirrors everywhere! A great insight!
Thursday April 22, 2010 20:48 Vanghelis
20:48
[Comment From Eleni KonstantinidiEleni Konstantinidi: ]
Great paper! I enjoyed especially the connection of the mirrors to warriors graves
and your (succesfull) attempt to create small personal stories for the owners of the
mirrors!
Thursday April 22, 2010 20:48 Eleni Konstantinidi
20:48
[Comment From Valeria LenuzzaValeria Lenuzza: ]
@ Kostantinos Paschalidis: a very interesting, stimulating paper!
Thursday April 22, 2010 20:48 Valeria Lenuzza
20:48
malgosia siennicka:
@Kostas - how nice to hear you :-) Great paper, bravo!
Thursday April 22, 2010 20:48 malgosia siennicka
20:46
ashlarblocks:
Louise H. @Jackie: Absolutely! Hybridity is not just a fluid concept, but a
problematic one that could probably merit an entire conference just to go through
what it means.
Thursday April 22, 2010 20:46 ashlarblocks
20:43
[Comment From Fragoula GeormaFragoula Georma: ]
Kosta, my compliments for this synthetic paper!
Thursday April 22, 2010 20:43 Fragoula Georma
20:43
[Comment From Eleni DrakakiEleni Drakaki: ]
To Kostas Paschalidis: Bravo!
Thursday April 22, 2010 20:43 Eleni Drakaki
20:40
[Comment From Marie-Louise NoschMarie-Louise Nosch: ]
What a fine paper, Costas!
Thursday April 22, 2010 20:40 Marie-Louise Nosch
20:40
[Comment From Jacke PhillipsJacke Phillips: ]
Nancy, you should be at the CTR by now and having pizza and beer, so thank you
very much for reading my paper - especially after so long but so stimulating a day.
Hope to see you and Roger soon, and sorry to not see you this time.
Thursday April 22, 2010 20:40 Jacke Phillips
20:36
[Comment From Fragoula GeormaFragoula Georma: ]
To Marie Louise and all the participants of the Conference: thank you very much for
all the effort and for making all this possible! It is a great experience even under
these circumstances! "See" you all tomorrrow!
Thursday April 22, 2010 20:36 Fragoula Georma
20:35
[Comment From Jacke PhillipsJacke Phillips: ]
Thanks for your comments. Louise, I think the hybridity is a fluid concept, ranging
from none to a great deal depending on the person who was reworking the object,
what is was before and what it was after it was reworked. That is one of my points there is NO blanket statement for the collection. Different people did the work and
they worked to the point they wanted, which were different. To Eleni D; I'n not
entirely sure that carnelian was ll that rare, but it may have been to the owner. The
engraved motif may well have been the reason he(?) wanted to keep it. This is the
problem - there are too many potential reasons, but we can project our own
possibilities and won't be wrong!
Thursday April 22, 2010 20:35 Jacke Phillips
20:32
[Comment From Sabine BeckmannSabine Beckmann: ]
Now that improved sound has made headphones obsolete, our red as the Theran girls
ears from midday can return to their normal colour - but I have enjoyed every
minute - thank you all a lot for making it possible!
Thursday April 22, 2010 20:32 Sabine Beckmann
20:31
[Comment From Georg NightingaleGeorg Nightingale: ]
To all speakers of the afternoon: I learned a lot about many aspects of jewellery and
beads and hope to meet you all in person in the near future. Many thanks to MarieLouse Nosch and Robert Laffineur and the most helpful members of the CRT and
IT-department of the University for makeing this conference possible despite all the
travel problems.
Thursday April 22, 2010 20:31 Georg Nightingale
20:31
Julie Hruby:
@Jacke: thanks, that was really interesting. I'm so happy to see reuse/recycling
getting attention.
Thursday April 22, 2010 20:31 Julie Hruby
20:29
20:28
[Comment From Eleni DrakakiEleni Drakaki: ]
To Jacke Phillips: very interesting observations on the repaired seal from Aidonia:
one wonders whether the rarity of the material and of the engraved motif were also
important factors behind the decision for repairing the seal.
Thursday April 22, 2010 20:29 Eleni Drakaki
[Comment From VanghelisVanghelis: ]
Kostas: you are the only one recorded and heard properly!
Thursday April 22, 2010 20:28 Vanghelis
20:28
[Comment From Marie-Louise NoschMarie-Louise Nosch: ]
The 11 KOSMOS participants have now been in the recording studio since noon
without breaks, so after Jacke's paper we will go and listen to the last 3 pre-recorded
papers from the Centre for Textile Research, where we can watch on a large screen,
and have some food and beer! We look forward to enjoying Anaya and Costas and
Eleni's papers. See you all tomorrow again at 10 for another round of exciting
papers. The program is on the web site.
Thursday April 22, 2010 20:28 Marie-Louise Nosch
20:28
[Comment From VanghelisVanghelis: ]
Excellent research Jacke.
Thursday April 22, 2010 20:28 Vanghelis
20:28
[Comment From Janice CrowleyJanice Crowley: ]
Great paper, Jacke, fascinating detail.
Thursday April 22, 2010 20:28 Janice Crowley
20:28
[Comment From Luca GirellaLuca Girella: ]
@Jacke: this is very interesting, as for the replacement habit, I have noticed the
same in at least a couple of cases from restudying the Kamilari tholos tomb.
Thursday April 22, 2010 20:28 Luca Girella
20:28
[Comment From Anaya SarpakiAnaya Sarpaki: ]
Thank you for your paper...It is an eye opener!!
Thursday April 22, 2010 20:28 Anaya Sarpaki
20:28
Judith Weingarten:
I do love that 'aspiration and pride'. Thanks Jacke, my only doubt would be about
how the MMII amethyst scarabs but that's for another time.
Thursday April 22, 2010 20:28 Judith Weingarten
20:26
Kostas Paschalidis:
Congratulations Jacke. Especially for the last part of your paper. What these items
ment to them. A paper giving motives to what we see as results!
Thursday April 22, 2010 20:26 Kostas Paschalidis
20:25
[Comment From Eleni KonstantinidiEleni Konstantinidi: ]
Bravo, very good work Jacke! We have a lot to discuss on your next trip to Athens!
Thursday April 22, 2010 20:25 Eleni Konstantinidi
20:25
[Comment From Robert LaffineurRobert Laffineur: ]
I know the publication, of course (and the conference), but I did not remember the
detail. Thanks for remimding me.
Thursday April 22, 2010 20:25 Robert Laffineur
20:24
ashlarblocks:
Louise H. @Jackie: it seems that with some of the re-cutting, the result was a hybrid
form. Do you think this hybridity was intentional?
Thursday April 22, 2010 20:24 ashlarblocks
20:23
[Comment From Georg NightingaleGeorg Nightingale: ]
Jacke, your paper is a great inspiration! The results of your careful observations are
most fascinating!
Thursday April 22, 2010 20:23 Georg Nightingale
20:21
20:20
[Comment From Jacke PhillipsJacke Phillips: ]
Robert, these aren't my observations, but those of the BM conservators. Their report
is in the recent Aegean Treasure conference publication, Lesley Fitton, ed. The
Aignina Treasure (2009), from where I got all those photos.
Thursday April 22, 2010 20:21 Jacke Phillips
[Comment From Lena PapazoglouLena Papazoglou: ]
Thank you all for your comments and information. See you all in the National
Museum, Athens
Thursday April 22, 2010 20:20 Lena Papazoglou
20:18
20:10
[Comment From Robert LaffineurRobert Laffineur: ]
Jacke, your observation of traces of repair on the Aegina treasure pendant and
pectoral are very interesting. Do you explain them in connection with the secondary
context (the Mycenaean chamber tomb on Aegina) or do you think the repairs have
been made in Minoan times?
Thursday April 22, 2010 20:18 Robert Laffineur
[Comment From Bernice JonesBernice Jones: ]
Lena - Wonderful reconstruction!
Thursday April 22, 2010 20:10 Bernice Jones
20:10
[Comment From Robert LaffineurRobert Laffineur: ]
A great pleasure, Lena. And a wonderful (and convincing) reconstruction of the
coffin
Thursday April 22, 2010 20:10 Robert Laffineur
20:08
[Comment From Bernice JonesBernice Jones: ]
Angus - Delighted that you agree with me on the beaded veil at Akrotiri and the
Ivory Triad (Archaeology 200 and Metron 2003). Good talk!
Thursday April 22, 2010 20:08 Bernice Jones
20:07
[Comment From Luca GirellaLuca Girella: ]
@ Lena Papazoglou: I really enjoyed your paper
Thursday April 22, 2010 20:07 Luca Girella
20:05
[Comment From Eleni DrakakiEleni Drakaki: ]
To Lena Papazoglou: thank you for this paper, especially for the great new
information that came from the conservation of these pieces.
Thursday April 22, 2010 20:05 Eleni Drakaki
20:05
[Comment From Eleni KonstantinidiEleni Konstantinidi: ]
Congratulations! Very impressive! We should think about having the drawing
exhibited!
Thursday April 22, 2010 20:05 Eleni Konstantinidi
20:05
[Comment From Lena PapazoglouLena Papazoglou: ]
For Robert: Thank you so much for reading my paper!
Thursday April 22, 2010 20:05 Lena Papazoglou
20:04
Judith Weingarten:
Jake?
Thursday April 22, 2010 20:04 Judith Weingarten
20:04
[Comment From Jacke PhillipsJacke Phillips: ]
Just came back again. Sorry to have missed much of Lena's reconstruction.
Thursday April 22, 2010 20:04 Jacke Phillips
20:04
[Comment From Jacke PhillipsJacke Phillips: ]
I've just lost sound. Is there a problem your end?
Thursday April 22, 2010 20:04 Jacke Phillips
20:04
[Comment From SusanSusan: ]
Did anyone else's sound just cut out? The slides are still going.
Thursday April 22, 2010 20:04 Susan
20:03
Kostas Paschalidis:
@ Lena Papazoglou-Manioudaki: Congratulations for such a thorough analysis! We
have much to share on Monday!
Thursday April 22, 2010 20:03 Kostas Paschalidis
20:02
Helena Tomas:
Kosta, me and Marcel are eagerly waiting for your paper here in Zagreb. Lena, I am
really enjoying your paper now.
Thursday April 22, 2010 20:02 Helena Tomas
20:01
[Comment From VanghelisVanghelis: ]
Karetsou reported a foot of a sceptre from Youkhtas in the Ireland conference on
peak sanctuaries in Feb.
Thursday April 22, 2010 20:01 Vanghelis
20:01
[Comment From VanghelisVanghelis: ]
To John Younger: Hi John, I am sure this texting looks fairly familiar: a sped up and
focused Aegeanet!!!
Thursday April 22, 2010 20:01 Vanghelis
19:55
Kostas Paschalidis:
@ Eleni Drakaki: Jacke first, then mine and afterwards Eleni's.
Thursday April 22, 2010 19:55 Kostas Paschalidis
19:54
Jane Johnsen:
Hello all. Tomorrows programme has now been published on the CTR website
http://ctr.hum.ku.dk/conferences/kosmos_programme_friday/
Thursday April 22, 2010 19:54 Jane Johnsen
19:54
[Comment From Alexandra AlexandriAlexandra Alexandri: ]
@Carole Gillis: I was thinking it might solve some problems since you can combine
any number of variables (I mean in terms of color, not necessarily things like age,
sex, gender etc), including “not known” or “ambiguity” – or “ignore this variable
when analyzing” etc. Also there are special modules (e.g. in packages like SPSS) for
small samples, since most stat algorithms are only meaningful for large samples
(sometimes even simple frequencies).
Thursday April 22, 2010 19:54 Alexandra Alexandri
19:54
19:53
[Comment From Allison ThomasonAllison Thomason: ]
@Carole Gillis, re: ANE comparanda. Hi Carole, The works of Irene Winter on
aesthetics and luminosity in Mesop. have been collected in a two volume set by Brill
published in 2009 (title: On Art in the ANE from the 3rd mill. B.C.E.)
Thursday April 22, 2010 19:54 Allison Thomason
[Comment From Eleni DrakakiEleni Drakaki: ]
to Constantinos Paschalidis: Kosta is yours coming up next?
Thursday April 22, 2010 19:53 Eleni Drakaki
19:53
[Comment From Georg NightingaleGeorg Nightingale: ]
Dear Vanghelis, there is indeed the possibility for such uses of beads as well. The
evidence for an amuletic use of beads is quite strong. A use for play seems difficult
to prove. I think Kalliopi Nikita propesed a use of necklaces in place of rattles. Still
tody children love the sound of beads when you shake a necklace.
Thursday April 22, 2010 19:53 Georg Nightingale
19:53
[Comment From Eleni DrakakiEleni Drakaki: ]
Reading through one of the volumes of Archaeologike Ephemeris, I found an
interesting report (from a salvage excavation) of a LH IIIB child burial: on the torso
of the child, the excavator found placed a cup (ceramic) holding inside it a number
of spherical glass beads. The similarity with the case of the Dendra "king" burial
(gold cup that held his signet rings and seals) is striking!
Thursday April 22, 2010 19:53 Eleni Drakaki
19:53
[Comment From Janice CrowleyJanice Crowley: ]
One more comment on silk. Do Aegeanists know that on teh island of Madagascar
there is a functioning cottage industry producing silk garments (particularly shawls
called lambas) using the wild silk of a local silkworm?
Thursday April 22, 2010 19:53 Janice Crowley
19:36
[Comment From VanghelisVanghelis: ]
Georg, thank you for your paper, I ll never see black dots on wallpaintings the same
again. Is there a possibility of worry beads, i.e. bead strings for different purposes,
for ritual, play or other? (sorry if you mentioned it I caught your paper in the
middle)
Thursday April 22, 2010 19:36 Vanghelis
19:36
[Comment From Georg NightingaleGeorg Nightingale: ]
@Smith and Dabney: I am fascinated by your microbeads! I have noted such beads
in some tombs of Elatei-Alonaki as well. Unfortunately most of them must have
been lost as not water-sieving was done.
Thursday April 22, 2010 19:36 Georg Nightingale
19:36
[Comment From Georg NightingaleGeorg Nightingale: ]
@Smith and DAb
Thursday April 22, 2010 19:36 Georg Nightingale
19:36
[Comment From Maia PomadereMaia Pomadere: ]
Thank you for questions and comments. I'm not really convinced that the small
women on seals are children, as the criteria is the size; it's an hypothesis.
Thursday April 22, 2010 19:36 Maia Pomadere
19:36
[Comment From Bernice JonesBernice Jones: ]
Maia - Interesting talk. My computer locked at some points so if you didn't mention
it, you might find my AJA 2009 article that reconstructs the dresses of the little girls
on the Ivory Triad and the fresco from Mycenae.useful.
Thursday April 22, 2010 19:36 Bernice Jones
19:36
[Comment From Anaya SarpakiAnaya Sarpaki: ]
Maia ..have you heard about the 'martaki'...a babit to wear the child a little
bracelet...made of 2 colours and this is observed in all the Balkans, including
Greece...It is worn in March...and is supposed to have existed since the Eleusinian
times...maybe earlier?? and is connected to 'kroki'....needs to be looked into the
anthropology of modern Greece...might prove interesting!
Thursday April 22, 2010 19:36 Anaya Sarpaki
19:36
[Comment From Marcia NugentMarcia Nugent: ]
@ Marie-Louise - I have e-mailed my presentation to you with recorded script.
Thursday April 22, 2010 19:36 Marcia Nugent
19:36
19:34
[Comment From Nathan HarperNathan Harper: ]
Determining body position at burial from decomposed remains is problematic.
Those that are interested in this type of interpretation should seek out Duday's
"anthropologie de terrain".
Thursday April 22, 2010 19:36 Nathan Harper
Kostas Paschalidis:
Thank you Angus and Mary. Well-documented excavations are rare and of crucial
importance!
Thursday April 22, 2010 19:34 Kostas Paschalidis
19:30
carole gillis:
To all of you who send comments on color, thank ou very much. I was awre of
many of the publications, but not all, especially the ANE comparanda. To Alexandra
Alexandri---not yet. what did you have in mind? unfortunately contexts re
impossible--thee are (assumdly) family or other grouping graves, used for 250 yrs or
so. no way to determine contxt, sex, age, gender, whatever. But please...this is a
study in its early stage an I am open for all comments and suggestions. Again, thank
you all for your ideas, comments, biblio, and suggestions.
Thursday April 22, 2010 19:30 carole gillis
19:13
19:07
Anne Chapin:
John, are you there? Can you comment on Paul's work on girls in Aegean
seals/sealings/signet rings? If I recall, Paul identified some differences in costuming
as well as size distinctions among figures...
Thursday April 22, 2010 19:13 Anne Chapin
[Comment From Janice CrowleyJanice Crowley: ]
Maia, Thank you. A question on identifying children on the seals - is it by size?
Thursday April 22, 2010 19:07 Janice Crowley
19:07
[Comment From Robert LaffineurRobert Laffineur: ]
Sorry for the confusion of m and n (mow im my previous message). I still have
problems with the qwerty keybord!
Thursday April 22, 2010 19:07 Robert Laffineur
19:07
19:07
[Comment From VanghelisVanghelis: ]
I personally think that the right female on the ring from Mycenae is simply the
misunderstood Minoan figure hanging from Trees and is not supposed to be a
child...
Thursday April 22, 2010 19:07 Vanghelis
[Comment From Robert LaffineurRobert Laffineur: ]
Next comes the paper by Smith-Dabney, read by Tobias
Thursday April 22, 2010 19:07 Robert Laffineur
19:06
19:06
[Comment From Georg NightingaleGeorg Nightingale: ]
@Carole: The question of value and saturation seems to be very important. When
we accept that kyanos in the first millenium (e.g. several times in Homer) derives
from the Linear B ku-wa-no (mostly meaning dark blue glass), it is fascination to
see that in Homer especially the value (a gleaming quality for example when
someone is described as having kyanos-coloured eyebrows, hair, cloak, etc.) is
meant. In another place masses of soldiers are descending on the battle field like a
dark/kyanos-coloured cloud. In this case the aspect of saturation seems to be
important (as dark as a frightening dark cloud).
Thursday April 22, 2010 19:06 Georg Nightingale
[Comment From zenobia1zenobia1: ]
Sorry, I signed in to my Twitter account by mistake. Zenobia 1 = judith weingarten.
Thursday April 22, 2010 19:06 zenobia1
19:02
Julie Hruby:
@Jacke, Carole, et al.: I do think it's interesting to consider how reflective a surface
is, and this may also play into Vanghelis's argument; things that are smoother and
more reflective supposedly make detail more visible. (Not something I'd noticed
first-hand, but I recall that a project that was computer-modelling cuneiform tablets
several years ago had the feature that you could make surfaces look shiny, which
made poorly preserved signs appear clearer).
Thursday April 22, 2010 19:02 Julie Hruby
18:59
[Comment From Robert LaffimeurRobert Laffimeur: ]
We have solved the problem. The paper of Maia is now being delivered and we get
back to the original order of the presentations. Hope this is ok mow.
Thursday April 22, 2010 18:59 Robert Laffimeur
18:59
[Comment From zenobia1zenobia1: ]
@Carole, stimulating -- as always. You may know Karen Forster's recent paper
where she stresses the *shiny-ness* of faience, associating it with an almost ethereal
effect.
Thursday April 22, 2010 18:59 zenobia1
18:58
[Comment From Fotis IfantidisFotis Ifantidis: ]
@Carole: Dear Carole, in case you haven’t, you could check the publications by J.
Chapman on the aesthetics of color in Neolithic/Eneolithic artifacts, such as “Colour
in Balkan prehistory in Early Symbolic Systems of Communication in Southeast
Europe, Vol. I (ed. L. Nikolova): 31-56. BAR IS 1139 (2003), or “Colourful
prehistories: The problem with the Berlin and Kay colour paradigm” in Colouring
the past: The significance of colour in archaeological research (ed. A Jones & G.
MacGregor): 45-72. Berg (2002)
Thursday April 22, 2010 18:58 Fotis Ifantidis
18:58
[Comment From Anaya SarpakiAnaya Sarpaki: ]
Hi Carole...it makes us think!! I like it!
Thursday April 22, 2010 18:58 Anaya Sarpaki
18:58
18:58
[Comment From Alexandra AlexandriAlexandra Alexandri: ]
@Carole Gillis: Interesting idea, since stats can go a long way to reveal patterns
otherwise lost to us and perhaps not even consciously expressed in the culture
studied. Have you thought of using stats other than frequencies?
Thursday April 22, 2010 18:58 Alexandra Alexandri
[Comment From Allison ThomasonAllison Thomason: ]
@Carole Gillis. Mesopotamianist here again. Hope Aegeanists don't mind me
crashing this fascinating party! What an interesting way to consider all of the facets
of color--how about mixed, that is polychromatic (maybe we should now say
polyhued) objects? Were there any, and if so, what was there value
(matte/shiny/both)? Of course we can consider for comparison the Mesop. love for
polychromy. Also--you've seen the work of Irene Winter on luminous qualities of
objects in Mesop., of course (apologies if I'm stating the obvious).
Thursday April 22, 2010 18:58 Allison Thomason
18:58
18:58
[Comment From Fotis IfantidisFotis Ifantidis: ]
@Carole: Dear Carole, in case you haven’t, you could check the publications by J.
Chapman on the aesthetics of color in Neolithic/Eneolithic artifacts, such as “Colour
in Balkan prehistory in Early Symbolic Systems of Communication in Southeast
Europe, Vol. I (ed. L. Nikolova): 31-56. BAR IS 1139 (2003), or “Colourful
prehistories: The problem with the Berlin and Kay colour paradigm” in Colouring
the past: The significance of colour in archaeological research (ed. A Jones & G.
MacGregor): 45-72. Berg (2002)
Thursday April 22, 2010 18:58 Fotis Ifantidis
[Comment From FritzFritz: ]
Thank you, Carole! HIGHLY interesting and colorful paper!
Thursday April 22, 2010 18:58 Fritz
18:52 KosmosAdmin2:
[Private Message to Mary Dabney] Hopefully in about 20-40 minutes
Thursday April 22, 2010 18:52 KosmosAdmin2
18:52
[Comment From Jacke PhillipsJacke Phillips: ]
Hi Julie. I'd made the comment before she defined his terms. But not what I'm used
to either...
Thursday April 22, 2010 18:52 Jacke Phillips
18:52
[Comment From Georg NightingaleGeorg Nightingale: ]
It is interesting to not that there is proof for other colours of glass not only from the
Uluburun ship but from the Aegen as well. But, despite the availability of different
colours the Mycenaeans heavily favoured blue, especially darker hues of blue.
Thursday April 22, 2010 18:52 Georg Nightingale
18:52
[Comment From Eleni DrakakiEleni Drakaki: ]
To Carole Gillis: Interesting questions indeed. However, taking under consideration
the sea networks established by the Minoans first and the Mycenaeans later, I do not
see how difficult it would be to procure hard stones from Cycladic islands, such as
Serifos. Also, if you think the popularity of amethyst in the early LBA and its
occurrence in Northern Greece in combination with the northern routes for the
import of Baltic amber...
Thursday April 22, 2010 18:52 Eleni Drakaki
18:52
[Comment From Jacke PhillipsJacke Phillips: ]
George: Great! My comment seems not to have included my email address, so I'll
try again: jp39@soas.ac.uk. Your discussion group sounds like a great idea. Will
email you tonight.
Thursday April 22, 2010 18:52 Jacke Phillips
18:52
[Comment From Mary DabneyMary Dabney: ]
Any idea what time you will be reading the Smith and Dabney paper? I will try to be
on line to answer questions, but I have to go teach soon.
Thursday April 22, 2010 18:52 Mary Dabney
18:50
Julie Hruby:
"not" rather than "now"...I should type more carefully.
Thursday April 22, 2010 18:50 Julie Hruby
18:50
Julie Hruby:
@Jacke: not quite..."value" in Munsell reflects how light or dark a color is and not
how reflective. Carole's terminology for color here is now what I'm used to, but
since she has carefully defined each term, it works.
Thursday April 22, 2010 18:50 Julie Hruby
18:47
[Comment From Jacke PhillipsJacke Phillips: ]
All glass is not dark cobalt blue! Uluburun had cobalt blue, a bluish-green and
amethyst-coloured.
Thursday April 22, 2010 18:47 Jacke Phillips
18:46
[Comment From Georg NightingaleGeorg Nightingale: ]
@Jacke: I would very much like to start a discussion (and with anyone else who is
interested in vitreous beads)! My e-mail is georg.nightingale@sbg.ac.at
Thursday April 22, 2010 18:46 Georg Nightingale
18:38
[Comment From Jacke PhillipsJacke Phillips: ]
Gage is using Munsell!
Thursday April 22, 2010 18:38 Jacke Phillips
18:38
[Comment From Robert LaffimeurRobert Laffimeur: ]
We have a problem opening the ppt of Maia. We try to solve this and will be reading
the paper later in the session, as well as Smith and Dabney´s paper. Sorry for the
unconvenience.
Thursday April 22, 2010 18:38 Robert Laffimeur
18:38
[Comment From Jacke PhillipsJacke Phillips: ]
Great paper George! I'd been planning to talk to about several things at the
conference - obviously not going to do that - but would like to get in touch with you
by email. Mine is when you have time.
Thursday April 22, 2010 18:38 Jacke Phillips
18:30
[Comment From Marsia BealbyMarsia Bealby: ]
@Cynthia. I am looking forward to reading your paper. I am aware of the
unpublished thesis of Dr Nenad Petrovic who has researched the topic. I only touch
upon symbolism in my thesis, but it is such an interesting topic!
Thursday April 22, 2010 18:30 Marsia Bealby
18:22
Julie Hruby:
@ Robert: Thank you.
Thursday April 22, 2010 18:22 Julie Hruby
18:20
[Comment From Robert LaffimeurRobert Laffimeur: ]
The paper of Julie Hruby will be presented tomorrow at the end of the session
(18:00). Eva Andersson Strand will read it.
Thursday April 22, 2010 18:20 Robert Laffimeur
18:20
[Comment From Georgia FloudaGeorgia Flouda: ]
@ Judith: I hope your paper will finally close this open question! Certainly, I don't
believe all signet rings were 'official' rings...Filia
Thursday April 22, 2010 18:20 Georgia Flouda
18:20
[Comment From Hopeful PhD studentHopeful PhD student: ]
Does anyone know whether the videos of these presentations are going to be made
available for download?
Thursday April 22, 2010 18:20 Hopeful PhD student
18:20
[Comment From Cynthia ColburnCynthia Colburn: ]
@Marsia Bealby: regarding Walter's paper, you asked if there is any published study
on how imported raw materials in the Aegean are connected to Minoan ritual. I
begin to discuss this for the third millennium in an article in the April 2008 issue of
AJA.
Thursday April 22, 2010 18:20 Cynthia Colburn
18:17
Vanghelis Kyriakidis:
@Georgia, of course they were used for identification, that is the point of their
administrative function. But all they would need to do is distinguish themselves
from other seals belonging to other people. 'This seal belongs to Georgia', rather
than the similar one which 'belongs to Janice' For this you dont need all the details.
For the aesthetic purposes you do need all the details (the narrative needs them).
@Janice, I have enough of it in the stuff that you have seen. Email for everyone is
ek47@kent.ac.uk @Grazie Pietro, tanti auguri. @Judith you are absolutely right, I
was not looking at all rings of course but signet rings @Julie, I am not saying that
they were to be seen on the ring only, but both. The point, probably not clear enough
is that they have TWO viewing surfaces not one, both the sealing and the seal, the
latter being for aesthetic and ostantatious purposes - status related amongst other
things- the former for administrative/identification purposes.
Thursday April 22, 2010 18:17 Vanghelis Kyriakidis
18:17
Julie Hruby:
P.S. for further clarification of my prior comment - stone seals.
Thursday April 22, 2010 18:17 Julie Hruby
18:15
Julie Hruby:
@Vanghelis: I like the idea that gold rings were intended to be seen in the original
rather than (or in addition to but primarily?) in impression. I'm curious - would you
see most/all seals as being intended to be seen in impression?
Thursday April 22, 2010 18:15 Julie Hruby
18:15
Judith Weingarten:
Julie, I certainly hope we're *not* skipping your paper. I am looking forward to it.
Georgia, it's still an open question which rings were used as official rings and which
might well have been 'private' possessions. My CMS Beiheft paper (which should
forthcome this year) deals with part of this problem, the so-called 'replica rings'.
Cheers.
Thursday April 22, 2010 18:15 Judith Weingarten
18:12
Julie Hruby:
I'm confused; are we skipping my paper? I saw there was a bit of trouble at the
beginning; is there a format problem?
Thursday April 22, 2010 18:12 Julie Hruby
18:12
[Comment From Bryan BurnsBryan Burns: ]
Georg, I'm so glad you made it there and we're getting glass into the conversation!
Thursday April 22, 2010 18:12 Bryan Burns
18:12
18:11
[Comment From pietro militellopietro militello: ]
But your reasoning was convincing in any case. Bravo Vanghelis. I had never
thought to the possibility to divorce sealings and signet rings from the point of
visibility.
Thursday April 22, 2010 18:12 pietro militello
[Comment From Janice CrowleyJanice Crowley: ]
Vanghelis, Thank you. I will look into your "stable direction" and email. Cheers.
Thursday April 22, 2010 18:11 Janice Crowley
18:11
18:11
[Comment From Georgia FloudaGeorgia Flouda: ]
@ Vanghelis: This is a very interesting point that you make! But why do I think that
the signet rings that functioned as attributes of officials would also be essential for
identification purposes (not just for adornment), especially in conjunction with clay
sealings?
Thursday April 22, 2010 18:11 Georgia Flouda
[Comment From Eleni DrakakiEleni Drakaki: ]
To Jacke Phillips: I agree, but it is important to know about the existence of local
sources to begin with.
Thursday April 22, 2010 18:11 Eleni Drakaki
18:10
[Comment From carole gilliscarole gillis: ]
to Eleni-- I concur. Also intresting for my work. But one woners how easy/difficult
importing from say Serifos as opposed to ?? might be? What were the mechanisms
of 'longdistance trade' and wht i 'long distance'?
Thursday April 22, 2010 18:10 carole gillis
18:10
[Comment From Eleni DrakakiEleni Drakaki: ]
@ Julie Hruby: it is a recent undertaking of IGME and it makes sense, if one thinks
the sheer amount of agate from the Mainland. I look forward to your paper!
Thursday April 22, 2010 18:10 Eleni Drakaki
18:09
Judith Weingarten:
@Mary Jane Cuyler, the figure comes from the Financial Times earlier this week (so
I take it on trust). They didn't go into more detail.
Thursday April 22, 2010 18:09 Judith Weingarten
18:09 Guest:
[Private Message to KosmosAdmin2] thank you. I have been contacted by M.-L. also (Reply
Privately)
Thursday April 22, 2010 18:09 Guest
18:05
Vanghelis Kyriakidis:
sorry, I realise that if we are to show details, the small format does not help...but the
fact that you cannot see them, means that they were not visible on the sealings!
best to all
Thursday April 22, 2010 18:05 Vanghelis Kyriakidis
18:02
[Comment From Eva PanagiotakopuluEva Panagiotakopulu: ]
Hi to all. An additional comment about wilk silk: There is a find of a wild silk
cocoon probably Pachypasa otus from Akrotiri, the title and pdf of the publication is
available at
http://www.geos.ed.ac.uk/research/globalchange/group5b/QuatEnt/page4.html
Thursday April 22, 2010 18:02 Eva Panagiotakopulu
18:02
[Comment From Jacke PhillipsJacke Phillips: ]
To Eleni Drakaki. The main question is whether these sources were exploited in the
Bronze Age. There is an amethyst source near Kalamata in the Peleponnesos, but it
was never exploited until modern times. I was told this by a Greek jeweller who is
professionally very interested in ancient jewellery and its materials - he studies it so can't quote a published source, but I was assured he was certain.
Thursday April 22, 2010 18:02 Jacke Phillips
18:02
[Comment From Mary Jane CuylerMary Jane Cuyler: ]
@Cynthia Colburn: Fascinating! It adds another layer to the performativity involved
in owning these gorgeous foreign luxury goods. First the jewelry is worn for years,
recognized by everyone as foreign, mysterious, costly and elite...then it is publicly
buried, taken out of circulation, but the act will be remembered for a generation.
Thursday April 22, 2010 18:02 Mary Jane Cuyler
18:01
[Comment From Marsia BealbyMarsia Bealby: ]
Walter, thank you for sharing a very interesting paper with us. So, imported raw
materials=exotica, and I guess that these materials take special value in the Aegean,
mainly from the fact that they arrive from outside the 'borders'. Can these imported
raw materials take magic-symbolic-ritual character, and if so, can the technique of
processing these materials take special value itself (as a ritual maybe?) After all,
these materials are strongly connected to the elite, so processed or not, final products
or not, they still retain some magico-ritual character. Is that right? Is there any
published study on this (i.e. how imported raw materials in the Aegean are
connected to MInoan ritual?) Thank you.
Thursday April 22, 2010 18:01 Marsia Bealby
18:01
Vanghelis Kyriakidis:
Iron, if I am not mistake, could be a by-product of gold smelting. One would have
found the iron, as if by magic.
Thursday April 22, 2010 18:01 Vanghelis Kyriakidis
18:01
Julie Hruby:
@ Eleni Drakaki: that's really interesting. I will look that up...it also has some
bearing on my paper.
Thursday April 22, 2010 18:01 Julie Hruby
17:57
ashlarblocks:
Louise: @Cindy: Hi back, Cindy! Oz is good, but I miss California. I currently am
involved in a big field project in Israel.
Thursday April 22, 2010 17:57 ashlarblocks
17:50
[Comment From Eleni DrakakiEleni Drakaki: ]
Sorry for sending this again! A very insightful paper by Dr. Mueller. A brief note on
the subject of imported hard stones though: recent geological investigations carried
out by staff members of the Greek Institute for Geological and Metallurgic
Researches (I.G.M.E.) have revealed local sources for the first three on the islands
of Kimolos (amethyst, carnelian) and Seriphos (amethyst), on the Peloponnese
(carnelian), as well as in Macedonia and Thrace (rich accumulations of amethyst)
and have concluded that “agate can be found in various places in Greece”. For this
information, see: Eleftheria Stamatatou, Gemstones in Mycenaean Greece. Their use
and significance, BAR IS 1230, Oxford, 2004.
Thursday April 22, 2010 17:50 Eleni Drakaki
17:50
[Comment From Sascha MauelSascha Mauel: ]
@Walter: Thank you for an interesting paper! Is the iron ring from Anemospilia,
which you mentioned, the very ring worn by the "priest" who had been found next to
the sacrified young man who had collapsed when the earthquake stroke the
sanctuary? As far as I know this is a very rare find of an quite early iron ring (but
you probably mentioned that, when I took a little break for the throne)?
Thursday April 22, 2010 17:50 Sascha Mauel
17:50
[Comment From Mary Jane CuylerMary Jane Cuyler: ]
@Judith Weingarten: Sounds like an interesting study! I wonder if that 5% of airshipped international trade consists largely of luxury perishable goods, which are
notoriously overpriced. Did the study suggest what sorts of products were air
shipped?
Thursday April 22, 2010 17:50 Mary Jane Cuyler
17:50
[Comment From Eleni DrakakiEleni Drakaki: ]
A wonderfully insightful paper by Dr. Mueller and with great color images. A brief
note on the subject of imported hard stones though:
Thursday April 22, 2010 17:50 Eleni Drakaki
17:50
17:50
[Comment From Bryan BurnsBryan Burns: ]
@Walter Müller, Thank you for sharing these comparisons of different materials
and your clear, compelling analysis. The combination of materials is particularly
striking -- both visually and intellectually!
Thursday April 22, 2010 17:50 Bryan Burns
[Comment From Janice CrowleyJanice Crowley: ]
Walter, Thank you - always new ways to look at the seals!
Thursday April 22, 2010 17:50 Janice Crowley
17:50
[Comment From Maria AnastasiadouMaria Anastasiadou: ]
@Müller the high ranking of iron is very interesting. Thank you!
Thursday April 22, 2010 17:50 Maria Anastasiadou
17:50
[Comment From Jacke PhillipsJacke Phillips: ]
Wonderful paper, Walter!
Thursday April 22, 2010 17:50 Jacke Phillips
17:50
[Comment From Cynthia ColburnCynthia Colburn: ]
@Mary Jane Cuyler: If you are referring to the Cretan material, there is substantial
evidence that the jewelry was used before being buried in tombs. Parts of diadems
were cut away or pulled off before burial, the diadems show evidence of repeated
use, and one of the ivory seals at Mochlos was broken and riveted back together. I
am less familiar with the evidence for use of the material from Ur, but I will look
into it. Thank you!
Thursday April 22, 2010 17:50 Cynthia Colburn
17:50
[Comment From Cynthia ColburnCynthia Colburn: ]
@Alison Thomason: Thanks for your comment! I'm familiar with Amy's article and
enjoyed it very much. I am currently pursuing the research you suggest. I have an
article in the April 2008 issue of AJA if you're interested, and I'm working on an
article on ritual spaces in Prepalatial Crete to tie everything together. I presented that
research at the annual meetings of the Archaeological Institute of America last year
in Philadelphia if you're interested. Thanks again!
Thursday April 22, 2010 17:50 Cynthia Colburn
17:50
[Comment From Nancy ThomasNancy Thomas: ]
Dear Walter, I am already learning from your paper and itøs not even over. I had no
idea that glass could be more valuable than fine semi-precious stones.
Thursday April 22, 2010 17:50 Nancy Thomas
17:50
[Comment From pietro militellopietro militello: ]
Ida, Thank you in advance, and sorry, but I was not able to record my voice with my
computer... I will contact you later by email.
Thursday April 22, 2010 17:50 pietro militello
17:50
[Comment From Eleni DrakakiEleni Drakaki: ]
A brief note for Dr. Mueller's paper in respect to the importation of certain hard
stones: recent geological investigations carried out by staff members of the Greek
Institute for Geological and Metallurgic Researches (I.G.M.E.) have revealed local
sources on the islands of Kimolos (amethyst, carnelian) and Seriphos (amethyst), on
the Peloponnese (carnelian), as well as in Macedonia and Thrace (rich
accumulations of amethyst) and have concluded that agate can be found in various
places in Greece. One can find this information in: Eleftheria Stamatatou,
Gemstones in Mycenaean Greece. Their use and significance, BAR IS 1230,
Oxford, 2004.
Thursday April 22, 2010 17:50 Eleni Drakaki
17:50
[Comment From Elisabetta BorgnaElisabetta Borgna: ]
For Lisa French: sure I send you!
Thursday April 22, 2010 17:50 Elisabetta Borgna
17:49
[Comment From idaida: ]
@pietro - send it to idemant@hum.ku.dk - i think I just won the honour to present
your paper....
Thursday April 22, 2010 17:49 ida
17:49
[Comment From Cynthia ColburnCynthia Colburn: ]
Thank you, Louise. I agree. In the longer version of the paper I will address that
more explicitly. Although some of these small prestige items are referred to as
"trinkets" by some (based in part) on a Homeric reference, I believe that during this
early period they had significant symbolic value. I hope all is well in Australia!
Thursday April 22, 2010 17:49 Cynthia Colburn
17:48 KosmosAdmin2:
[Private Message to pietro militello] Yes, her address is idemant@hum.ku.dk
Thursday April 22, 2010 17:48 KosmosAdmin2
17:47
ashlarblocks:
Louise H. @Walter, despite my earlier comment, it was a really interesting paper.
Thursday April 22, 2010 17:47 ashlarblocks
17:46
Julie Hruby:
Indeed, Walter, the photos are tremendous. I also really appreciate the work on
ranking metals based on what is used with what...very sensible.
Thursday April 22, 2010 17:46 Julie Hruby
17:45
Judith Weingarten:
Bravo Walter. I just came across a modern figure which speaks to the distance/value
equation. Today, just 5% of international trade goes by air but it accounts for 40% of
the value of traded goods. Perhaps similar percentages would have applied for sea vs
land transport in preciious goods.
Thursday April 22, 2010 17:45 Judith Weingarten
17:44
Vanghelis Kyriakidis:
Walter, your pictures are fabulous. Thank you very much indeed. The point of
concealment of the item, is discussed in my paper too.
Thursday April 22, 2010 17:44 Vanghelis Kyriakidis
17:41
Jane Johnsen:
We now have photographic evidence of remote participation in Cologne. Please
view http://ctr.hum.ku.dk/conferences/kosmos/photoswed/
Thursday April 22, 2010 17:41 Jane Johnsen
17:34
Ida Demant:
@pietro - send it to idemant@hum.ku.dk - I think I just won the honour of
presenting your paper tomorrow..
Thursday April 22, 2010 17:34 Ida Demant
17:33 pietro militello:
[Private Message to KosmosAdmin2] My speaker is Ida Demant. Perhaps is better not to
stress Marie Louise and to contact directly Dr. Demnat. Can you give me her address?
(Reply Privately)
Thursday April 22, 2010 17:33 pietro militello
17:29
[Comment From MiltosPMiltosP: ]
Thank you Jane Johnsen, i'm reallly thank you very much.
Thursday April 22, 2010 17:29 MiltosP
17:29
17:29
[Comment From Allison ThomasonAllison Thomason: ]
Hello--a Mesopotamianist here working on dress and identity--so happy to have this
conference streamed live!! Sets a precedent for ALL conferences!! Thanks, Cynthia
for drawing such connections for the 3rd mill. Is there a way that we can take your
insights further, and relate your work on the Cretan adornment assemblage to
concepts of identity and agency though performance? Amy Gansell has a recent
article (Cambridge Archae. Journal 17, 2007) relating adornment "sets" to identity
and individual choice--could a similar analysis work for Cretan burials in 3rd m.?
Thursday April 22, 2010 17:29 Allison Thomason
[Comment From Katherina AslanidouKatherina Aslanidou: ]
Thanks Birgitta! Highly interesting results!
Thursday April 22, 2010 17:29 Katherina Aslanidou
17:29 KosmosAdmin2:
[Private Message to pietro militello] I suggest you send it directly to Marie Louise
Thursday April 22, 2010 17:29 KosmosAdmin2
17:28
[Comment From pietro militellopietro militello: ]
@Marie Louise. I do not want to stress you, but le me know whom I have to contact
for sending a slightly revised version of my power point.
Thursday April 22, 2010 17:28 pietro militello
17:28 KosmosAdmin2:
[Private Message to MiltosP] What is the name of your sister? I have the progremme text and
will be able to tell you the exact time if I have her name.
Thursday April 22, 2010 17:28 KosmosAdmin2
17:27
[Comment From Mary Jane CuylerMary Jane Cuyler: ]
testing...is there a large lag time on comments?
Thursday April 22, 2010 17:27 Mary Jane Cuyler
17:27
Jane Johnsen:
The programme for tomorrow will be posted on the website within the next couple
of hours. The programme will start at 10 in the morning CET, at 9 GMT and at 11 in
Greece
Thursday April 22, 2010 17:27 Jane Johnsen
17:27
ashlarblocks:
Louise H.: I would suggest that rarity and long transport routes should be split into 2
categories. As Cline points out in his paper on distance value, an item can be
mundane but be valuable based on distance.
Thursday April 22, 2010 17:27 ashlarblocks
17:25
[Comment From MiltosPMiltosP: ]
Hi to all of you! Your works are individual! Does anybody know about the program
tomorow? Cause my sisters work will be read. Thank you
Thursday April 22, 2010 17:25 MiltosP
17:25
[Comment From Sascha MauelSascha Mauel: ]
@Irene Good: What a coincidence! I had first thought of you (when I aksed my
questions earlier in the chat), but I didn't know that you are online. I am, of course,
interested in your article, and I would very much like to receive a copy of it. Already
your 1996 article had inspired me a lot, thank for that! My e-mail is: samau@web.de
Thursday April 22, 2010 17:25 Sascha Mauel
17:25
[Comment From Cynthia ColburnCynthia Colburn: ]
Thank YOU, Nancy, for reading my paper. My computer froze at the beginning of
the talk, so I don't think my earlier message went through. Greetings from Los
Angeles.
Thursday April 22, 2010 17:25 Cynthia Colburn
17:25
[Comment From Irene GoodIrene Good: ]
What I think may have happened that would explain the different results is that the
other study perhaps sampled the main body of the textile; I took exclusively the
embroidery thread remnants; and they are clearly not woolen, even apparent without
a microscope. I do not believe they are Chinese silk but from the Mediterranean
Pacypasa otus silk
Thursday April 22, 2010 17:25 Irene Good
17:25
[Comment From Janice CrowleyJanice Crowley: ]
Irene, Thank you for the silk reference.
Thursday April 22, 2010 17:25 Janice Crowley
17:25
[Comment From Mary Jane CuylerMary Jane Cuyler: ]
I wonder how long the jewelry remained in circulation before being buried in tombs.
Thursday April 22, 2010 17:25 Mary Jane Cuyler
17:17
Margarita Gleba:
@Irene: I would love to see it - I hope you finally can declare the issue resolved!
Thursday April 22, 2010 17:17 Margarita Gleba
17:16
Ute Günkel-Maschek:
@ Marsia: Thank you very much!
Thursday April 22, 2010 17:16 Ute Günkel-Maschek
17:15
17:15
[Comment From Irene GoodIrene Good: ]
Hello! I am responding to the comments on silk in Germany- I have a pending
publication with a detailed appendix on the study I did with J. Kim on the
Hohmichele silk (Published first in Antiquity in 1995) - if anyone wishes for the
reference or a PDF of this they can contact me at igood@fas.harvard.edu.
Thursday April 22, 2010 17:15 Irene Good
[Comment From jo cutlerjo cutler: ]
Hi I have made it from London to Copenhagen
Thursday April 22, 2010 17:15 jo cutler
17:13
Margarita Gleba:
@Jo: Great! Many thanks!
Thursday April 22, 2010 17:13 Margarita Gleba
17:10
[Comment From Lisa FrenchLisa French: ]
@Elisabetta - intended to watch your paper but muddled the time change- any hope
of a copy - lisacamb@aol.com
Thursday April 22, 2010 17:10 Lisa French
17:10
[Comment From Marsia BealbyMarsia Bealby: ]
Thank you Ute for the great paper.
Thursday April 22, 2010 17:10 Marsia Bealby
17:10
[Comment From jo cutlerjo cutler: ]
Hi Margarita! Eva and I are now back in CPH and I will get the paper and PP later.
Thursday April 22, 2010 17:10 jo cutler
17:10
[Comment From Bernice JonesBernice Jones: ]
Birgitta - Excellent analysis and conclusions. Congratulations!.
Thursday April 22, 2010 17:10 Bernice Jones
17:04
Judith Weingarten:
Good stuff, Birgitta, as always!
Thursday April 22, 2010 17:04 Judith Weingarten
17:02
Margarita Gleba:
@Marie-Louise: I just sent Jo the paper and a new version of the PP without sound
for tomorrow - letting you know in case she does not check her e-mail! As I will be
in the train all day I will not be able to follow on-line but if there are any questions
Jo cannot answer, people can e-mail me.
Thursday April 22, 2010 17:02 Margarita Gleba
17:02
Ute Günkel-Maschek:
@ John: Thank you very much! I think it is most significant that the Minoans chose
or adopted the Taweret (and the meanings associated with it) as the "appropriate"
image for visually expressing their own fertility ritual-related ideas!
Thursday April 22, 2010 17:02 Ute Günkel-Maschek
17:02
Kostas Paschalidis:
Thank you Birgitta. So tombs with spinning whor-and -pin should be identified as
those of female burials? If so, you give me a stronger element for my paper later
tonight! Thank you again for this detailed examination of case-to case occurance of
these objects!
Thursday April 22, 2010 17:02 Kostas Paschalidis
17:01
Vanghelis Kyriakidis:
Thanks Birgitta
Thursday April 22, 2010 17:01 Vanghelis Kyriakidis
17:00
John Younger:
Thank you, Birgitta!
Thursday April 22, 2010 17:00 John Younger
16:59
[Comment From Sascha MauelSascha Mauel: ]
@Birgitta: very interesting calculations indeed!
Thursday April 22, 2010 16:59 Sascha Mauel
16:59
16:59
[Comment From Nancy ThomasNancy Thomas: ]
Hi Cynthia, I am glad to see that you are watching. I will be reading your paper in a
minute and I love the images especially of those in color from Ur. The conference
schedule is running a little bit behind at present. I apologize if I have to cut a bit
when my turn comes and hope you understand. Best wishes and thanks for being
here. Nancy
Thursday April 22, 2010 16:59 Nancy Thomas
[Comment From Eleni DrakakiEleni Drakaki: ]
Good eye Ute!
Thursday April 22, 2010 16:59 Eleni Drakaki
16:58
John Younger:
Ute: very nice -- if you admit the Genius as Taweret, a protectress of childbirth, then
you have another fertility symbol.
Thursday April 22, 2010 16:58 John Younger
16:56
Vanghelis Kyriakidis:
Andreas and Frangoula, congratulations
Thursday April 22, 2010 16:56 Vanghelis Kyriakidis
16:47
Ute Günkel-Maschek:
@ Eva: Thank you. ;-)
Thursday April 22, 2010 16:47 Ute Günkel-Maschek
16:47
Ute Günkel-Maschek:
@ Eleni: Thank you very much! It's indeed the most striking and most significant
parallel for the depicted theme.
Thursday April 22, 2010 16:47 Ute Günkel-Maschek
16:46
[Comment From Eva WachaEva Wacha: ]
Gratulation Ute, interesting work!
Thursday April 22, 2010 16:46 Eva Wacha
16:39
16:39
[Comment From Eleni DrakakiEleni Drakaki: ]
The last seal shown in Guenkel-Maschek's presentation is very interesting and the
way that the branch is shown one could assume that it was attached to the female
figure's hair and hanging backwards as in the case of the Thera fresco.
Thursday April 22, 2010 16:39 Eleni Drakaki
[Comment From Anaya SarpakiAnaya Sarpaki: ]
Hello Birgitta....from Chania....good luck!
Thursday April 22, 2010 16:39 Anaya Sarpaki
16:37
Ute Günkel-Maschek:
@ Anaya: Thank you very much for your comment. Unfortunately I havn't
propagated olive trees on my own. This is just what I drew from modern as well as
from ancient sources on the topic.
Thursday April 22, 2010 16:37 Ute Günkel-Maschek
16:32 KosmosAdmin2:
[Private Message to Cynthia Colburn] We are running a bit behind schedule, but your
presentation will be read right after the next presentation by Birgitta Hallager
Thursday April 22, 2010 16:32 KosmosAdmin2
16:30
[Comment From Sascha MauelSascha Mauel: ]
@Margarita: Thanks for your comment. I believe you refere to the article by J.-P.
Schmidt on a dubious strands found on a Halskragen necklace from Early Bronze
Age, found in Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, northern Germany!? This article was
indeed as interesting as disputable.
Thursday April 22, 2010 16:30 Sascha Mauel
16:30
[Comment From Cynthia ColburnCynthia Colburn: ]
Hello!
Thursday April 22, 2010 16:30 Cynthia Colburn
16:29
[Comment From Lena PapazoglouLena Papazoglou: ]
Congratulations Andreas and Fragoula!
Thursday April 22, 2010 16:29 Lena Papazoglou
16:29
[Comment From AnayaAnaya: ]
One cannot just take any cutting to grow an olive tree...you need to use a sucker or
else a fairly older branch with a 'roseous' a knot where roots could develop...
Thursday April 22, 2010 16:29 Anaya
16:29
[Comment From Trevor Van DammeTrevor Van Damme: ]
@Sascha: Yes. The exact reference alludes me at the moment, but I will certainly
look it up.
Thursday April 22, 2010 16:29 Trevor Van Damme
16:23
Margarita Gleba:
@Trevor: actually I believe in both cases the "silk" threads were used for decoration,
not in the weave itself (so-called soumak technique, earlier thought to be
embroidery). But I do not know any details about the sampling.
Thursday April 22, 2010 16:23 Margarita Gleba
16:18
[Comment From Trevor Van DammeTrevor Van Damme: ]
@Margarita: One possible suggestion for the conflicting results is that the
fragments, which I have admittedly not seen, are a mixed fabric. There are extant
examples from the Roman period of such a phenomenon, where a woollen warp is
combined with a silk weft, or vice versa.
Thursday April 22, 2010 16:18 Trevor Van Damme
16:18
[Comment From Eleni DrakakiEleni Drakaki: ]
Andrea - and Fragoula, thank you for another great paper. Hope to see you in Athens
or NY.
Thursday April 22, 2010 16:18 Eleni Drakaki
16:18
16:17
Margarita Gleba:
@Sascha: The earliest secure silk finds of silk in Europe are Scythian (in Ukraine)
and that is the most likely route by which silk came to the Mediterranean. there as an
article about some BA finds in Germany a couple of years ago, claiming that they
are silk but none of the textile and fibre specialist agree.
Thursday April 22, 2010 16:18 Margarita Gleba
[Comment From Valia PapanastasopoulouValia Papanastasopoulou: ]
@Andreas and Fragoula: A great paper. Thank u for the important and interesting
informations.
Thursday April 22, 2010 16:17 Valia Papanastasopoulou
16:17
Kostas Paschalidis:
Great illustrations and interesting new doubts! Thank you Andrea and Frangoula!
Thursday April 22, 2010 16:17 Kostas Paschalidis
16:16
[Comment From Andreas and FragoulaAndreas and Fragoula: ]
Thank you Fritz, greetings to all from the Akrotiri Excavation premises, Athens
Thursday April 22, 2010 16:16 Andreas and Fragoula
16:15
[Comment From Janice CrowleyJanice Crowley: ]
Andreas, Thank you - so much in your paper. Sorry to miss you at KOSMOS.
Thursday April 22, 2010 16:15 Janice Crowley
16:15
[Comment From Sascha MauelSascha Mauel: ]
@Trevor (addendum): you mention "This is often used to suggest a Northern 'silk
route' mirroring that which ran through central Asia." Could you please send me
some reference on that?My email is samau@web.de
Thursday April 22, 2010 16:15 Sascha Mauel
16:15
[Comment From Sascha MauelSascha Mauel: ]
@Trevor: thanks for responding. A couple years ago I wrote an article on how the
first silk may have come to Europe. I suggested a trading route from ancient China,
via the steppes of Asia (with the riding Scythians playing a major role), their cultural
exchange with the Ionian Greeks in the Euxinos Pontos (Black sea), who the passed
on the silk through the Mediterranean. Is this just fancy phantacy, or do you think
that this connection may be discussed further on? Unfortunately me article is written
in Danish.
Thursday April 22, 2010 16:15 Sascha Mauel
16:15
Margarita Gleba:
@Trevor and Sascha: the Hallstatt "silk" finds from Hohmichele and Hochdorf are
very problematic - Johanna Banck-Burgess in her publication of Hochdorf textiles
from 1999 notes that amino-acid analysis has definitely proven that they are NOT
silk. But Irene Good (I believe in a 2001? article) claims the opposite also on the
basis of amino-acid analysis. In any case, the original results published by Hundt
should not be taken as reliable.
Thursday April 22, 2010 16:15 Margarita Gleba
16:14
Ute Günkel-Maschek:
@ Andreas and Fragoula: Thank you very much for this excellent paper!! And for
depicting the fruit-bearing olive branch in detail!
Thursday April 22, 2010 16:14 Ute Günkel-Maschek
16:13
Jane Johnsen:
All presenters. We really have to try to limit the presentations to the alotted 20
minutes
Thursday April 22, 2010 16:13 Jane Johnsen
16:00
[Comment From Nahum Ben YehudaNahum Ben Yehuda: ]
The pure fiber of Seacell is a cellulose fiber with completely new applications. This
special fiber is produced by the so-called Lyocell process using cellulose and
seaweed as "renewable resources". The new approach is to use the Lyocell fiber as a
"functional carrier" for natural substances such as seaweed. Seaweed contains the
minerals of the sea. This explains why the most divers chemical elements can be
found in the seaweed materials. In addition, seaweed contains carbohydrates, amino
acids, fats and vitamins. To preserve the smoothness and firmness of the skin
,seaweed is used in cosmetics to improve the blood supply of the skin, activate the
meta- bolism and thus promote skin renewal. The active ingredients of the seaweed
are incorporated into the Seacell pure fiber. Upon contact with the skin, these
ingredients can be released. Seacell active has Antimycotic and antibacterial
properties. Consequently, Seacell active is ideal for bioactive textiles such as
sportwear, underwear, socks, work clothes and household fabrics, as well as for
allergy sufferers and hygiene articles. 1. 30% Seacell pure/ 70% Pimma Cotton 2.
20% Seacell pure/ 80% Pimma Cotton 3. 20% Seacell pure/ 10% Seacell active/
70% Pimma Cotton 4. Ne 20/1 - 40/1 5. Other blend ratios and materials are also
acceptable.
Thursday April 22, 2010 16:00 Nahum Ben Yehuda
16:00
[Comment From Nahum Ben YehudaNahum Ben Yehuda: ]
Tencel has become very popular as an ideal fibre for clothing. Tencel is the brand
name of Lenzing Group for this fibre. The generic name is Lyocell. It is an
exceptionally strong cellulosic fibre with a soft hand, very low shrinkage, high
wrinkle resistance and good drape. An added benefit is a more environmentally
friendly manufacture. The process uses non- toxic solvent that is recycled. Tencel
itself is completely biodegradable. Its made from wood pulp from trees grown on
managed farms where replanting exceeds usage.
Thursday April 22, 2010 16:00 Nahum Ben Yehuda
16:00
[Comment From AnayaAnaya: ]
Are you sure Andreas that the small bead -shell (as you say)- is not from a
spondylous of a fish?? Just an idea...
Thursday April 22, 2010 16:00 Anaya
15:56
[Comment From Trevor Van DammeTrevor Van Damme: ]
@Sascha: The German burials, such as the Halstatt burial, are actually interesting in
that their silk seems to have a Chinese origin, but has been spun and woven in the
Mediterranean. This is often used to suggest a Northern 'silk route' mirroring that
which ran through central Asia.
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:56 Trevor Van Damme
15:56
[Comment From Sabine BeckmannSabine Beckmann: ]
I believe there is a new (modern) knitting yarn called >seacell
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:56 Sabine Beckmann
15:56
[Comment From Georg NightingaleGeorg Nightingale: ]
@Brendan: Is there a mythological story from the first millenium explaining who
invented where the technology to work byssos?
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:56 Georg Nightingale
15:54
[Comment From Brendan BurkeBrendan Burke: ]
There is pinna from LM Crete - from Chania, as catalogued by D. Reese. I imagine
there are many others but can't say for certain.
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:54 Brendan Burke
15:53
[Comment From Felicitas MaederFelicitas Maeder: ]
Dear Brendan Burke! What a joy to hear that others work on this fascinating fiber.
There are much to many things I would ask you, so could you get in contact with me
(felicitas.maeder@unibas.ch) or give me your mail address? Thank a lot for your
paper!
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:53 Felicitas Maeder
15:53
[Comment From idaida: ]
@Brendan - yes, it was very interesting. I've only heard of sea silk as knitting yarn thanks for the introduction.
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:53 ida
15:53
[Comment From isabelle martelliisabelle martelli: ]
new and beautiful work Brendan
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:53 isabelle martelli
15:53 KosmosAdmin2:
[Private Message to anna lucia dagata] no problem, it is just for the benefit of people
responding
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:53 KosmosAdmin2
15:51 anna lucia dagata:
[Private Message to KosmosAdmin2] yes, sorry! (Reply Privately)
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:51 anna lucia dagata
15:51
[Comment From Sascha MauelSascha Mauel: ]
@ Brendan: A very interesting paper! Looking forward to read your article...
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:51 Sascha Mauel
15:51
[Comment From Lena PapazoglouLena Papazoglou: ]
Brendan, very interesting and original paper, I think vyssos and porphyra are worn
by the rich and infamous in the gospel readings
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:51 Lena Papazoglou
15:51 KosmosAdmin2:
[Private Message to Guest] Please remeber to identify yourself
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:51 KosmosAdmin2
15:51
[Comment From GuestGuest: ]
Brendan, very good paper, thank you! is there any evidence for pinna nobilis in LM
Crete?
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:51 Guest
15:51
[Comment From Janice CrowleyJanice Crowley: ]
Brendan, You have really stirred things up here! Great!
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:51 Janice Crowley
15:51
15:48
[Comment From Sascha MauelSascha Mauel: ]
@Trevor: Thank you for a very nice paper! May I ask you: where do you think the
silk threads, found in Hohmichele and Hochdorf (c. 520/530 BC), came from? They
are almost contemporary with the find found in the Kerameikos at Athens. Isn't it
possible that this early European silk was traded by the first Greeks that settled in
Massilia (Marseille) in 500 BC? Several other artefacts, found in Hochdorf, Vix and
ALt-Trier (to mention just a few), undoubtly point to this influence.
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:51 Sascha Mauel
[Comment From Brendan BurkeBrendan Burke: ]
thanks very much. One more slide click needed?
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:48 Brendan Burke
15:48
John Younger:
@Brendan: very intriguing identification for the "Sito-Potnia"!
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:48 John Younger
15:48
[Comment From Eleni DrakakiEleni Drakaki: ]
Very interesting paper by Brendan Burke, I had never thought of Byssos silk.
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:48 Eleni Drakaki
15:47
ashlarblocks:
Louise: @Brendan: very interesting paper!
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:47 ashlarblocks
15:46
Kostas Paschalidis:
Very original job, Brendan! Interesting comment on the incence burner fresco!
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:46 Kostas Paschalidis
15:45
[Comment From Vassilis PetrakisVassilis Petrakis: ]
@ Brendan Burke: Astonishing paper!
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:45 Vassilis Petrakis
15:44
[Comment From Nahum Ben YehudaNahum Ben Yehuda: ]
The word "butz" in Late Biblical Hebrew and Aramaic is a Mesopotamian loan word
meaning flax-linen. Sea Silk appears in the Tosephta Shabbat 9, 3 in Hebrew as
"wool from a sea creature".
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:44 Nahum Ben Yehuda
15:44
[Comment From Simona TodaroSimona Todaro: ]
@ Sascha: I would love to further discuss this issue. You can contact me at
svtodaro@unict.it
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:44 Simona Todaro
15:44
15:43
[Comment From Eleni DrakakiEleni Drakaki: ]
I was not able to listen to yesterday's presentations, but I can today. This is
wonderful and thank you very much to the organizers and all the presenters who
thoughtfully provided their presentations and powerpoints!
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:44 Eleni Drakaki
Vanghelis Kyriakidis:
Brendan, interesting paper, never had thought of Byssos. Hope to see more on this.
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:43 Vanghelis Kyriakidis
15:42
carole gillis:
hi Brendan--I was really lloking forward to meeting up with you! Great paper!!
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:42 carole gillis
15:40
15:40
[Comment From Sascha MauelSascha Mauel: ]
@Simona: thank you very much for your detailed comment. I would have loved to
discuss this matter with you in Copenhagen. Now, instead, I hope we will have the
oppurtunity to talk about it later on, or via email...
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:40 Sascha Mauel
[Comment From AnayaAnaya: ]
Bravo...for the originality etc...
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:40 Anaya
15:40
15:38
[Comment From Vassilis PetrakisVassilis Petrakis: ]
@ Trevor van Damme: I understood that. Strictly semantically speaking, it was a
brilliant idea! However, as you showed in your paper, these a-ra-ka-te-ja handle also
wool... But, except for this technical thing, your paper was excellent!
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:40 Vassilis Petrakis
[Comment From Sascha MauelSascha Mauel: ]
@Brendan: so amazing.....!
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:38 Sascha Mauel
15:38
[Comment From Evi PapadopoulouEvi Papadopoulou: ]
@Militello: I look forward to. You can contact me under the following address
epapdpl@hist.auth.gr.
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:38 Evi Papadopoulou
15:38
[Comment From Trevor Van DammeTrevor Van Damme: ]
@Louise, @Janice: Thanks
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:38 Trevor Van Damme
15:36
[Comment From Simona TodaroSimona Todaro: ]
@Sascha: Sorry for the delay: my connection crashed! I am an Early Minoan pottery
specialist (Phaistos and Ayia Triada), and while working on burnished pottery, I had
the opportunity to re-evaluate the function of this particular surface finishing. In
fact, I have noticed that, although generally considered to be mainly decorative,
burnishing in some cases seemd to have mainly been functional to the use of the pot.
MOre imprtantly, the spindlewhorls from Phaistos, which will be presented at this
conference by P. Militello, often bear incised decoration on one face and burnished
on the other leading me to suppose that perhaps the burnishing might have been a
technical mean to facilitate turning. This would also suggest, of course, low spindlewhorls...
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:36 Simona Todaro
15:34
15:34
[Comment From Trevor Van DammeTrevor Van Damme: ]
@Vassilis: Thanks. The argument was more based on logic, with regard to the
apparent cloth production than linguistic reasoning. I agree that 'argos' is still not
ideal.
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:34 Trevor Van Damme
[Comment From Sascha MauelSascha Mauel: ]
@Evi: I guessed it was you... looking forward to meet you soon in Θεσσαλονίκη!
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:34 Sascha Mauel
15:34
[Comment From pietro militellopietro militello: ]
@papadopoulou Thank you. I would like to discuss your data and comapre with
mine after the conference
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:34 pietro militello
15:34
ashlarblocks:
Louise Hitchcock: @Trevor: very interesting paper!
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:34 ashlarblocks
15:33
[Comment From Vassilis PetrakisVassilis Petrakis: ]
@ Trevor van Damme: Sorry, a mispelling: I meant *a-ra-ka-te (long e) 'spindle'.
My apologies.
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:33 Vassilis Petrakis
15:33
[Comment From Evi PapadopoulouEvi Papadopoulou: ]
@Sophia: Different types of sp. whorls are found in each domestic unit. They
apparently coexist.
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:33 Evi Papadopoulou
15:32
[Comment From Trevor Van DammeTrevor Van Damme: ]
@Vanghelis: Thanks!
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:32 Trevor Van Damme
15:31
[Comment From Janice CrowleyJanice Crowley: ]
Trevor, Congratulations on a most informative paper.
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:31 Janice Crowley
15:31
[Comment From Evi PapadopoulouEvi Papadopoulou: ]
@Militello: No. It is a naturally perforated peddle like the ones Poursat showed
yesterday from Malia.
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:31 Evi Papadopoulou
15:31
15:31
[Comment From Vassilis PetrakisVassilis Petrakis: ]
@ van Damme: Excellent paper and a very valuable review of silk industries! Two
comments: Greek ηλακάτη seems, in most contexts, to mean 'spindle, and not distaff
(see E. Barber, Prehistoric Textiles (1991), on that). a-ra-ka-te-ja derivation from
άργος 'white', 'shine' is very intriguing. But: the structure of the word seems to imply
the suffix -e-ja and a t-stem. a-ra-ka-te-ja from *a-ra-ka-te 'simple' seems simpler.
None of this is very crucial to the thrust of your paper though.
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:31 Vassilis Petrakis
[Comment From Trevor Van DammeTrevor Van Damme: ]
Thank you Henriette
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:31 Trevor Van Damme
15:28 KosmosAdmin2:
[Private Message to Evi Papadopoulou] I saw that. Perfect....;o)
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:28 KosmosAdmin2
15:28
[Comment From Evi PapadopoulouEvi Papadopoulou: ]
@Sascha: It was me.I had a problem with the laptop, switched computer and forgot
to fill in my name.
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:28 Evi Papadopoulou
15:28
[Comment From pietro militellopietro militello: ]
@papadopoulou: no perforated stone ring?
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:28 pietro militello
15:28
[Comment From Sophia VakirtziSophia Vakirtzi: ]
@Evi : Thank you, i was referring to whorl types, not loomweight types.
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:28 Sophia Vakirtzi
15:28
[Comment From Sascha MauelSascha Mauel: ]
@ Yasar Ersoy: Stella ensured me that her wall paintings have not been published
yet, but I'll check out the article you mention. Thank you for sorting out any possible
misunderstandings!
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:28 Sascha Mauel
15:27 Evi Papadopoulou:
[Private Message to KosmosAdmin2] I just did it (Reply Privately)
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:27 Evi Papadopoulou
15:27
Vanghelis Kyriakidis:
@Trevor: there is also a double (functional) bronze axe from Crete, but I dont
remember where I have seen it (sorry). It has a butterfly carved on it.
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:27 Vanghelis Kyriakidis
15:24 ITMEDIA:
[Private Message to KosmosAdmin2] Det var det jeg mente. Jeppe kan ikke skrue mere op, så
det må være hende der taler lavt. Anbefaling til alle - brug et headset, så bliver lyden bedre. I
ER BARE GODE. (Reply Privately)
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:24 ITMEDIA
15:23 KosmosAdmin2:
[Private Message to Guest] Please identify yourself when posting on the chat
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:23 KosmosAdmin2
15:23
[Comment From GuestGuest: ]
@Sophia: The parallepiped type is represented only by one specimen found near
pyramidal ones. As far as the stone weight it was found in a concentration among 11
clay pyramidal.
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:23 Guest
15:23
[Comment From Sascha MauelSascha Mauel: ]
@ Guest: Who thanks a lot? ... and for what?
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:23 Sascha Mauel
15:23 KosmosAdmin2:
[Private Message to Evi Papadopoulou] Quite ok. I just wanted to let you know why your
posts did not show up in the public chat
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:23 KosmosAdmin2
15:22 KosmosAdmin2:
[Private Message to ITMEDIA] Nej, Jeppe siger at der er skruet op
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:22 KosmosAdmin2
15:22 ITMEDIA:
[Private Message to KosmosAdmin2] Så må det være hende der taler lavt. Det kan vi ikke
gøre noget ved - desværre (Reply Privately)
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:22 ITMEDIA
15:21 Evi Papadopoulou:
[Private Message to KosmosAdmin2] I had a problem with the keyboard.When I was
pressing the backspace, the message was sent automatically. I don't know why. (Reply
Privately)
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:21 Evi Papadopoulou
15:21 KosmosAdmin2:
[Private Message to ITMEDIA] Der sidder en og taler. Jeppe har angivet dette i titelskiltet på
skærmen
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:21 KosmosAdmin2
15:20
Peter Pavuk:
@ Evi: that would make it Troy IV.
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:20 Peter Pavuk
15:20
15:20
[Comment From Sascha MauelSascha Mauel: ]
@ Simona Todaro: I'm very interested in your comment to Evi, regarding how the
burnishing could have improved the rotation of spindle whorls. Please, let me know
more about this issue!
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:20 Sascha Mauel
[Comment From Elisabetta BorgnaElisabetta Borgna: ]
Hi Vanghelis, thank you!
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:20 Elisabetta Borgna
15:20 KosmosAdmin2:
[Private Message to Evi Papadopoulou] I am not sure I understand. But if you are talking
about the reading of the paper, the timeslot was 20 minutes, as we need to be able to fit in as
many papers as possible. What I meant with my comment was your posts in the chat. There is
no text in the posts you submit to the chat.
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:20 KosmosAdmin2
15:17
[Comment From GuestGuest: ]
@ Sascha: Thanks a lot.
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:17 Guest
15:17
[Comment From Elisabetta BorgnaElisabetta Borgna: ]
Non preoccuparti Pietro, ne parleremo (spero Elio tutto bene).
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:17 Elisabetta Borgna
15:16 Evi Papadopoulou:
[Private Message to KosmosAdmin2] ALmost the last 3 papers were not read. I'm surpsized,
since I sent in all! (Reply Privately)
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:16 Evi Papadopoulou
15:15
[Comment From GuestGuest: ]
@Malgorzata: Yes, we have evidence of linseeds at the site.
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:15 Guest
15:15
[Comment From Yasar ErsoyYasar Ersoy: ]
@ Sascha Mauel, Fritz Blakholmer: The wall paintings that Stella Miller had
illustrated in her presentations are coming from Lydia dated to the late sixth century
and are all published in color. See, I. Ozgen, et.al., The Lydian Treasure (1996).
Sorry for the belated comment.
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:15 Yasar Ersoy
15:15
15:15
[Comment From Sophia VakirtziSophia Vakirtzi: ]
@Evanthia Papadopoulou : Thank you Evi for this paper ! Have different types been
found together in concentrations or is there a mixing of types? Typology and weight
range is similar to the EBA Skala Sotiros material (althought some lighter than 10
grammars have also been found there). At Skala Sotiros i have also noted the last
type of use wear trait, almost on all conical whorls.
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:15 Sophia Vakirtzi
[Comment From Sascha MauelSascha Mauel: ]
@ Evi: Your paper was indeed very interesting! I would love to hear it once more,
read by you some time in Thessaloniki soon, what say you?
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:15 Sascha Mauel
15:15
[Comment From GuestGuest: ]
@Pavul:The record dates at the end of EBA (2180-2020B.C.). I was surprized to
hear an extremely shortened version of my 20 mininutes paper!
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:15 Guest
15:15 KosmosAdmin2:
[Private Message to Evi Papadopoulou] Evi I am missing a lot of your text in your posts
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:15 KosmosAdmin2
15:14
[Comment From pietro militellopietro militello: ]
@Marie Louise. Sai chi legge il mio intervento? Vorrei mandare una versione
leggermente rivista del power point.
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:14 pietro militello
15:14
[Comment From Evi PapadopoulouEvi Papadopoulou: ]
@Pavuk:
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:14 Evi Papadopoulou
15:14
15:14
Helena Tomas:
Marie-Louise, I sent you my paper and presentation earlier today. I did my best to
record my own reading, but something is wrong with my microphone, and it simply
did not work out. I apologise to you and to the poor 'victim' who will read it.
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:14 Helena Tomas
[Comment From pietro militellopietro militello: ]
@Elisabetta. Non ho potuto seguire la fine del tuo intervento perché Elio si è fatto
male )inconvenienti della home edition). Mi dispiace, comunque congratulazioni.
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:14 pietro militello
15:14
[Comment From pietro militellopietro militello: ]
@papadopoulou: Thank you very much. A lot in common with my paper (to be read
tomorrow, I think), very surprising. A few questions: Crewe used this kind of use
wear to suggest low-whorl spindle; b) is there any difference in distribution among
the different typees of spindle?
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:14 pietro militello
15:14
[Comment From Simona TodaroSimona Todaro: ]
@ Evi: Great paper!
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:14 Simona Todaro
15:13
[Comment From Simona TodaroSimona Todaro: ]
@Evi: have you considered whether the burnishing could also be meant to improve
the turning of the spindlewhorls?
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:13 Simona Todaro
15:13
15:10
[Comment From Yaşar ErsoyYaşar Ersoy: ]
@ Sascha Mauel and Fritz Blakholmer: The wall paintings you referred to that S.
Miller had shown in her presentations are coming from Lydia and they are all
published in color. See, Ilknur Özgen, et.al., The Lydian Treasure (1996). Sorry for
the late comment.
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:13 Yaşar Ersoy
malgorzata siennicka:
@ Evi Papadopoulou – Great paper and very nice finds! Do you have any bothanical
evidence for flax cultivation at Archontiko?
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:10 malgorzata siennicka
15:09
Peter Pavuk:
@ Evanthia: Very interesting! The northern Aegean has to cooperate more... I
skipped the exact date of the Phase IV. What part of EBA was it?
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:09 Peter Pavuk
15:03
Ute Günkel-Maschek:
@ Marie-Louise: I just created a new and slightly shortened record of my paper and
sent the ppt to you.
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:03 Ute Günkel-Maschek
15:01
[Comment From Elisabetta BorgnaElisabetta Borgna: ]
For Kostas: yes, obviously we cannot say for sure that the Phaistos f. had really
"upraised arms"; nevertheless it is the most close to the Mycenaean figures
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:01 Elisabetta Borgna
15:00
[Comment From FritzFritz: ]
Thank you, Katherina, Sascha, Paul, Nancy, Alessandro, Luca, Karin, Peter, Pietro
and Leviticus ;-) , for your comments!
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:00 Fritz
15:00
[Comment From Simona TodaroSimona Todaro: ]
Perhaps, before the end of the conference you might reach number 13 that, after all,
was not so bad considering the great results of the conference!!!!
Thursday April 22, 2010 15:00 Simona Todaro
14:58
[Comment From GuestGuest: ]
@ Jacke: well, Eva and Jo just landed from the UK (London)!
Thursday April 22, 2010 14:58 Guest
14:58
[Comment From Evi PapadopoulouEvi Papadopoulou: ]
@Sascha:
Thursday April 22, 2010 14:58 Evi Papadopoulou
14:58
[Comment From Jacke PhillipsJacke Phillips: ]
How did they do it? I failed at every turn.
Thursday April 22, 2010 14:58 Jacke Phillips
14:57
[Comment From Jacke PhillipsJacke Phillips: ]
Congratulations to the new arrivals. From the UK it is impossible!
Thursday April 22, 2010 14:57 Jacke Phillips
14:57
[Comment From Marie-Louise NoschMarie-Louise Nosch: ]
And now I am told that Eva Andersson Strand and Joanne Cutler have landed as
well (they were stranded in London), so now we are 11!
Thursday April 22, 2010 14:57 Marie-Louise Nosch
14:55
[Comment From Marie-Louise NoschMarie-Louise Nosch: ]
Today at KOSMOS in Copenhagen, two colleagues managed to land: Caroline
Zaitoun from France and Carlos Varias Garcia from Spain. Now we are 9!
Thursday April 22, 2010 14:55 Marie-Louise Nosch
14:54
[Comment From Fr. RougemontFr. Rougemont: ]
I suggest that we might give medals to the marathon readers of our papers, at the end
of the conference, the nature of the medal being determined by the number of papers
read... :=)
Thursday April 22, 2010 14:54 Fr. Rougemont
14:52
Vanghelis Kyriakidis:
Very intresting Elisabetta
Thursday April 22, 2010 14:52 Vanghelis Kyriakidis
14:52
[Comment From Marie-Louise NoschMarie-Louise Nosch: ]
Thank you to Carole Gillis for reading Elisabetta's paper and so many other papers.
Thursday April 22, 2010 14:52 Marie-Louise Nosch
14:51
[Comment From Elisabetta BorgnaElisabetta Borgna: ]
I am on lien at the moment
Thursday April 22, 2010 14:51 Elisabetta Borgna
14:51
[Comment From Sascha MauelSascha Mauel: ]
Καληµέρα Ευανθεία, κρίµα που δεν προλάβαµε να 'ρθουµε κι να γνωριστούµε στην
Κοπεγχάγη τελικά... :-( I'll try to call you when returning to Α.Π.Θ. next Tuesday.
Κωτσάκης gave me your number.
Thursday April 22, 2010 14:51 Sascha Mauel
14:48
[Comment From Evi PapadopoulouEvi Papadopoulou: ]
Greetings to all! Sorry, for not being there, but I will be happy to answer any on-line
questions.
Thursday April 22, 2010 14:48 Evi Papadopoulou
14:48
Kostas Paschalidis:
Good job, Elisabetta! If this is the case with the Phaistos fragment, then it looks like
the most "Myceneanized" figurne of the goddess with upraised arms in LM IIIC!
Again, elements of mainland character in so late time in Crete!
Thursday April 22, 2010 14:48 Kostas Paschalidis
14:47
[Comment From Sascha MauelSascha Mauel: ]
@Admin/Tech (regarding malgorzata siennicka's comment): I'm sure she ment
"please turn from reader to screen", right...!? My connection is poor, and everytime
the speaker is broadcasted, my laptop is heavily overstrained, causing the
transmission to be stuck. With the PP presentations screen, however, there is no
transmission promlem. To be reconsidered!
Thursday April 22, 2010 14:47 Sascha Mauel
14:47
[Comment From Neculai BolohanNeculai Bolohan: ]
For Sascha Mauel: I know the bananas from Kastanas. The "fruits" in Romania are
dated in Neolithic and Chalcolithic
Thursday April 22, 2010 14:47 Neculai Bolohan
14:47
Guest:
@Admin - Thank you, however, the delays seems to appear only when the picture is
switched. The same was yesterday. Perhaps my connection is too slow indeed.
Thursday April 22, 2010 14:47 Guest
14:43
14:43
[Comment From Sascha MauelSascha Mauel: ]
@ Agnete & Neculai (concerning the "banana" shaped weight-like objects): At the
toumba of Kastanas, in Greek Macedonia (Early Bronze to Advanced Iron Age) not
a single of these crescent objects has been found, though some 240-260 conical and
pyramidal loom weights of all sizes have been found in nearly all layers.
Thursday April 22, 2010 14:43 Sascha Mauel
KosmosAdmin2:
The delays depend on your different individual net connections and their speed. If
the delays are really bad, it is adviced to update/refresh your page. We hope it will
work for you and we are sorry for the inconveniences
Thursday April 22, 2010 14:43 KosmosAdmin2
14:40
[Comment From Katherina AslanidouKatherina Aslanidou: ]
@Fritz: very interesting paper. Congratulations on your results! I am looking
forward to reading it in detail:)
Thursday April 22, 2010 14:40 Katherina Aslanidou
14:40
malgorzata siennicka:
@Admin/Tech - Please could you not switch the picture from the screen to the
reader? There are again some delays.
Thursday April 22, 2010 14:40 malgorzata siennicka
14:35
KosmosAdmin2:
Elisabetta, are you on-line? can yu answer questions from the audience?
Thursday April 22, 2010 14:35 KosmosAdmin2
14:34
[Comment From Annette PohlkeAnnette Pohlke: ]
@Luca @Fritz what about the custom to mark or tattoo the body, obviously as part
of funeral rites, as attested in Leviticus 19:28: "28 Ye shall not make any cuttings in
your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD"? So there
must have been a custom in the Near East that involved marking the body in that
way.
Thursday April 22, 2010 14:34 Annette Pohlke
14:34
[Comment From Katherina AslanidouKatherina Aslanidou: ]
Hi again Fritz! I can' t wait to read your paper in detail. I really enjoyed it!
Congratulations for you results!
Thursday April 22, 2010 14:34 Katherina Aslanidou
14:33
14:32
[Comment From Sascha MauelSascha Mauel: ]
@ Fritz Blakholmer: Interesting papaer! I can't recall all the images of Anatolian
wall paintings shown by Stella Miller-Collett in her lecture "Ancient Wall Painting:
The Anatolian Tradition" at the Annual Meeting of the ASCSA in Athens (and a
week later in Thessaloniki), but as far as I remember there was a wallpainting,
somewhere from western Turkey, depicting a young man, wraped in a cloth with the
very same red/blue star-lined pattern seen in the Minoan fresco of the two ladies. I
found the similiarity striking. However, most of the images Stella presented haven't
been published yet.
Thursday April 22, 2010 14:33 Sascha Mauel
[Comment From Agnete LassenAgnete Lassen: ]
@Neculai. Thank you very much. My e-mail is alassen(at)hum.ku.dk
Thursday April 22, 2010 14:32 Agnete Lassen
14:32
malgorzata siennicka:
@Neculai Bolohan - thank you!
Thursday April 22, 2010 14:32 malgorzata siennicka
14:31
14:29
[Comment From Neculai BolohanNeculai Bolohan: ]
for malgorzata siennicka: Nice to hear of you. I'll be sending you tomorow morning
the link. It's a very different oppinion as regard the meaning of the crescent shape
artefacts.
Thursday April 22, 2010 14:31 Neculai Bolohan
Nancy Thomas:
Fritz, really enjoyed your paper! Tell me more about that lion in your first slide!
Thursday April 22, 2010 14:29 Nancy Thomas
14:28
[Comment From Helene WhittakerHelene Whittaker: ]
Fritz, Very interesting paper!!
Thursday April 22, 2010 14:28 Helene Whittaker
14:28
[Comment From Sabine BeckmannSabine Beckmann: ]
@Fritz: Interesting paper - thank you! Seeing the star-weaving above the Theran
women I wonder if they imagined the sky as covered by a starry weaving.
Thursday April 22, 2010 14:28 Sabine Beckmann
14:27
Alessandro Greco:
to Fritz: Congratulations
Thursday April 22, 2010 14:27 Alessandro Greco
14:27
malgorzata siennicka:
@Neculai Bolohan - I would be also very interested in further infos on Romania
objects, if you were so kind: malgorzata.siennicka@uw.edu.pl
Thursday April 22, 2010 14:27 malgorzata siennicka
14:27
14:26
[Comment From pietro militellopietro militello: ]
A very subtle analysis, fritz. Agree with the interpretation of dots and giamalakis
seal. For the interpretation of last slides, Maria Shaw saw "nails" in the Room 13
painting, which means the imitatiation of real curtains.
Thursday April 22, 2010 14:27 pietro militello
[Comment From Vassilis PetrakisVassilis Petrakis: ]
Congratulations Fritz! An enjoyable paper and broad perspective!
Thursday April 22, 2010 14:26 Vassilis Petrakis
14:25
[Comment From Luca GirellaLuca Girella: ]
@Fritz: I liked you paper! In the last Sheffield round Table there was a good paper
by T. Carter, though he was not present :) and it can be of interest for you as regards
the possible cultural distinction between Cyclades and Mochlos in EBA: quoting his
abstract “Cyclades, with its essentially ‘Neolithic’ aesthetic, involving a gaudy
mixture of temporary and permanent corporeal modification: depilation, painting,
tattooing and adornment”…and Mochlos adopting and performing practices
associated with Near Eastern states, “with their emphases on unmarked and clothed
bodies and the use of goldwork”.
Thursday April 22, 2010 14:25 Luca Girella
14:24
[Comment From Neculai BolohanNeculai Bolohan: ]
For agnete: I'll be sending you an useful link. Please let me know your mail adress.
Thursday April 22, 2010 14:24 Neculai Bolohan
14:24
[Comment From Karen FosterKaren Foster: ]
For Fritz: Wonderful paper, as always. Years ago, the Laura Ashley company turned
the pattern in the House of the Ladies into actual cloth!
Thursday April 22, 2010 14:24 Karen Foster
14:24
Peter Pavuk:
Hi, Fritz, very nice paper! I especially liked the final part!
Thursday April 22, 2010 14:24 Peter Pavuk
14:24
John Younger:
@Fritz: real nice!
Thursday April 22, 2010 14:24 John Younger
14:20
[Comment From Agnete LassenAgnete Lassen: ]
@Neculai. Yes, I know. As far as I know, they appear in most of Central Europe in
the Neol. and also further south later.
Thursday April 22, 2010 14:20 Agnete Lassen
14:14
[Comment From Neculai BolohanNeculai Bolohan: ]
For Agnete Lassen: There are some crescent shape artefacts in Romania dated in
Neolithic and Chalcolithic
Thursday April 22, 2010 14:14 Neculai Bolohan
14:14
[Comment From Sander BrabanderSander Brabander: ]
In Audacity you can adjust the volume too, at least after recording.
Thursday April 22, 2010 14:14 Sander Brabander
14:11
[Comment From Annette PohlkeAnnette Pohlke: ]
About soundproblems: Some applications that can capture sound will allow you to
increase input volume. I use AudioHijack for this purpose, but it is Mac only. But I
am sure there must be similar applications for all operating systems. Alas, Audacity
seems to lack it. Or did I only overlook it?
Thursday April 22, 2010 14:11 Annette Pohlke
14:10
[Comment From Sabine BeckmannSabine Beckmann: ]
Even here in the Cretan Hinterland I can hear nicely with headphones :-)
Thursday April 22, 2010 14:10 Sabine Beckmann
14:08
[Comment From Agnete LassenAgnete Lassen: ]
With ear phones the sound gets much better!
Thursday April 22, 2010 14:08 Agnete Lassen
14:08
ashlarblocks:
Louise: @Jack: I suggest plugging speakers or using head phones.
Thursday April 22, 2010 14:08 ashlarblocks
14:07
[Comment From Sander BrabanderSander Brabander: ]
Multifunctionality ;)
Thursday April 22, 2010 14:07 Sander Brabander
14:07 KosmosAdmin2:
[Private Message to Jack Davis] the experts here say that you can improove the sound in the
low right corner of the piture, or use ear phones- Hope it works
Thursday April 22, 2010 14:07 KosmosAdmin2
14:06
Judith Weingarten:
the speaker=the presenter=the author=FRITZ BLAKOMER live = How very
original! :-)
Thursday April 22, 2010 14:06 Judith Weingarten
14:06
Judith Weingarten:
the speaker=the presenter=the author=FRITZ BLAKOMER live
Thursday April 22, 2010 14:06 Judith Weingarten
14:05
14:05
[Comment From Felicitas MaederFelicitas Maeder: ]
Hello to all of you! I'm new here. Nahum ben Yehuda from Israel just told me about
this on line conference. Great! I'm studying sea-silk and so most curious of the paper
of Brendan Burke.
Thursday April 22, 2010 14:05 Felicitas Maeder
Alessandro Greco:
Incredible!
Thursday April 22, 2010 14:05 Alessandro Greco
14:05
[Comment From Jack DavisJack Davis: ]
Also in Athens we can barely hear the presentations. Can something be done to
bring up the sound please!
Thursday April 22, 2010 14:05 Jack Davis
14:03
[Comment From Marie-Louise NoschMarie-Louise Nosch: ]
And now, ladies and gentlemen, an exceptional KOSMOS situation: the speaker=the
presenter=the author=FRITZ BLAKOMER live in Copenhagen!
Thursday April 22, 2010 14:03 Marie-Louise Nosch
14:03
[Comment From Sabine BeckmannSabine Beckmann: ]
@ Emily: Could you imagine amphorae were actually ritually >dressed
Thursday April 22, 2010 14:03 Sabine Beckmann
14:02
ashlarblocks:
Louise Hitchcock: I find that on several occasion a paper finishes, and I am looking
at my computer screen and clapping.
Thursday April 22, 2010 14:02 ashlarblocks
13:58
[Comment From Sascha MauelSascha Mauel: ]
Oh...how stupid of me! Of course, like so many of us, you too haven't made it to
Copenhagen. Well, guess you have to be satisfied with an email contact.
Thursday April 22, 2010 13:58 Sascha Mauel
13:56
[Comment From Marie-Louise NoschMarie-Louise Nosch: ]
Alas, Anne is not in Copenhagen...
Thursday April 22, 2010 13:56 Marie-Louise Nosch
13:55
[Comment From Sascha MauelSascha Mauel: ]
@ Anne Chapin: Jan Stubbe might be sitting in the audience!? In any case he's in
Copenhagen, and according to the original ("pre-volcanis") programme he would
have guided you through the exhibition at the Glyptotek. So try to chatch him, whilst
being in Copenhagen.
Thursday April 22, 2010 13:55 Sascha Mauel
13:54 Guest:
[Private Message to KosmosAdmin2] Thank you and wish you good luck ! (Reply
Privately)
Thursday April 22, 2010 13:54 Guest
13:50
[Comment From Katherina AslanidouKatherina Aslanidou: ]
Thank you Marsia! I am looking forward to your email. Ελπίζω να τα πούµε
σύντοµα
Thursday April 22, 2010 13:50 Katherina Aslanidou
13:49 KosmosAdmin2:
[Private Message to Jacke Phillips] Dear Jacke Phillips. You might need to re-start your
browser
Thursday April 22, 2010 13:49 KosmosAdmin2
13:47
[Comment From Jacke PhillipsJacke Phillips: ]
webmaster: I've just had a bleep and went offline. I'm back on but don't have the
'panel' screen now. Could I have it back, please?
Thursday April 22, 2010 13:47 Jacke Phillips
13:47
[Comment From Akrotiri ExcavationAkrotiri Excavation: ]
Is it possible to turn up the volume of the microphone ?
Thursday April 22, 2010 13:47 Akrotiri Excavation
13:47
13:47
[Comment From Marsia BealbyMarsia Bealby: ]
@Katerina. Thank you very much for this great paper. I will email you at some point
so we discuss some points a bit further. I have got your address. Τι όµορφο µωράκι!
Να σας ζήσει!
Thursday April 22, 2010 13:47 Marsia Bealby
[Comment From Marie-Louise NoschMarie-Louise Nosch: ]
Thank you to Kristian Kristiansen for reading Emily's paper for her.
Thursday April 22, 2010 13:47 Marie-Louise Nosch
13:47
[Comment From GuestGuest: ]
hello from thessaloniki Greece!!!
Thursday April 22, 2010 13:47 Guest
13:47
[Comment From GuestGuest: ]
Very interesting paper, Annette. I have some comments about recutting of cylinder
seals in MB Kültepe, namely the addition of cups in the hands of the seated figure in
the presentationn scene. That might be relevant for your argument.
Thursday April 22, 2010 13:47 Guest
13:47
Anne Chapin:
@Louise, yes, in the published version I will try to address issues of gender
ambiguity, at least in the footnotes...Also, the multiple piece/figure issue. @Sascha,
thanks for the suggestion re: photo technology. I'll follow up. @Annette: skin color
is likely related at least in part to age and social status. Thanks to all for your very
helpful comments!
Thursday April 22, 2010 13:47 Anne Chapin
13:46 KosmosAdmin2:
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Thursday April 22, 2010 13:46 KosmosAdmin2
13:45
carole gillis:
Anne-thank you. It wa a very interesting paper. Do you know of an article writtn
about 20-25 years ago by Gøsta Sævlund in Sweden where he mintains that the
'boxing boys' from AK are actually boxing girls?
Thursday April 22, 2010 13:45 carole gillis
13:45 Guest:
[Private Message to KosmosAdmin2] PhD. Neculai Bolohan University Al. I. Cuza
Department of Ancient History and Archaelogy Iasi-ROMANIA 0040-232-201633
n_bolohan@yahoo.com (Reply Privately)
Thursday April 22, 2010 13:45 Guest
13:44
[Comment From Jacke PhillipsJacke Phillips: ]
Thanks Anne
Thursday April 22, 2010 13:44 Jacke Phillips
13:44 KosmosAdmin2:
[Private Message to Akrotiri Excavation] Unfortunately the volume cannot be turned up
further.
Thursday April 22, 2010 13:44 KosmosAdmin2
13:43
[Comment From Katherina AslanidouKatherina Aslanidou: ]
S'efxaristo poli Sascha
Thursday April 22, 2010 13:43 Katherina Aslanidou
13:41
Anne Chapin:
@Carole - thanks so much for reading - it was very clear, and I really appreciate
your help.
Thursday April 22, 2010 13:41 Anne Chapin
13:39
Peter Pavuk:
Go, go, go, Emily!!!
Thursday April 22, 2010 13:39 Peter Pavuk
13:37
carole gillis:
thanks, Sabine
Thursday April 22, 2010 13:37 carole gillis
13:37
[Comment From GuestGuest: ]
No Carole, you did not speak slowly. it was very clear, thank you
Thursday April 22, 2010 13:37 Guest
13:37
Anne Chapin:
@Jacke - there is a nice watercolor drawing of a red figure on a red ground (from
Knossos) on-line in the Evans Archive.
Thursday April 22, 2010 13:37 Anne Chapin
13:36
[Comment From Sabine BeckmannSabine Beckmann: ]
@Carole: You did a great job in summarizing the end
Thursday April 22, 2010 13:36 Sabine Beckmann
13:34
[Comment From Sascha MauelSascha Mauel: ]
@ Kathrine: Ti charitoméno ki oraío moráki! Congratulations with your joy of
motherhood.
Thursday April 22, 2010 13:34 Sascha Mauel
13:33
Jacke Phillips:
Anne - where? I don't know them, or maybe I do and never noticed....
Thursday April 22, 2010 13:33 Jacke Phillips
13:33
ashlarblocks:
Louise: @Anne, forgot to add, loved your discussion of other skin tones, breast
depictions, & the ice skater
Thursday April 22, 2010 13:33 ashlarblocks
13:32
Anne Chapin:
@ Jacke - there are some red figures painted on red backgrounds in NP frescoes.
Thursday April 22, 2010 13:32 Anne Chapin
13:32
John Younger:
@Anne Chapin: thanks! very balanced. And as usual, sensible.
Thursday April 22, 2010 13:32 John Younger
13:32
[Comment From carole gilliscarole gillis: ]
sorry, Anne, for making a botch of the last pages--i perhaps read too slowly. .:-(
Thursday April 22, 2010 13:32 carole gillis
13:32
[Comment From Annette PohlkeAnnette Pohlke: ]
Maybe skin colour is not just linked to gender, but also to a life in the open or in the
house and thus to some extent to social standing? E.g. the peasant has to work in the
fields, the king spends his time in the shades of the palace. Has anyone tried this
hypothesis yet? I am aware that this is very bland and based on clichees about who
is doing what kind of work, which would have to be tested as well. But it sprung to
my head when I saw the red figured fisherman and the white skinned priest king.
Thursday April 22, 2010 13:32 Annette Pohlke
13:32
[Comment From Sascha MauelSascha Mauel: ]
@ Anne: Very interesting papaer! Concerning the colour tracing of white, yellow or
orange/brown pigmentation I suggest you contact Jan Stube Østergaard at the
Copenhagen Carlsberg Glyptotek. In his lecture, recently held at the Annual
Meeting at the Danish Institute at Athens, he mentioned a new photographic method
developed at the Glyptotek. The investigation doesn't harm the artefakt at all, it only
cost little money and takes no time to prepare.
Thursday April 22, 2010 13:32 Sascha Mauel
13:32
ashlarblocks:
Louise: @Anne: will you deal with the multiple figures proposed for the Priest
Thing in your published version? Do you deal with the issue of gender ambiguity as
in depictions of Hatshepsut?
Thursday April 22, 2010 13:32 ashlarblocks
13:31
Jane Johnsen:
We have to limit the papers to 20 minutes. If they exceed 20 minutes, they will have
to be cut short. We apologise for the inconvenience, but the schedule is very tight
and we wish to be able to present all the programmed papers. You are welcome to
send revised and reduced versions of your papers if you fear they exceed the time
limit, or even better narrated versions of maximum 20 minutes
Thursday April 22, 2010 13:31 Jane Johnsen
13:29
13:27
Anne Chapin:
Sorry, folks! The paper was under 20 minutes when I timed it. I can send the
complete paper to anyone who might be interested. Carole, thank you so much for
reading it for me!
Thursday April 22, 2010 13:29 Anne Chapin
[Comment From Janice CrowleyJanice Crowley: ]
Jacke and Vanghelis, Yes much will be linen - silk will only be for the most special
items.
Thursday April 22, 2010 13:27 Janice Crowley
13:27
[Comment From Katherina AslanidouKatherina Aslanidou: ]
I am online to answer questions. Thank you Fritz for reading my paper!
Thursday April 22, 2010 13:27 Katherina Aslanidou
13:27
[Comment From Janice CrowleyJanice Crowley: ]
Thank you, Anne, for tackling such a difficult topic. I look forward to the full
published detail.
Thursday April 22, 2010 13:27 Janice Crowley
13:27
[Comment From Marie-Louise NoschMarie-Louise Nosch: ]
The message about the 20 minutes is from me.
Thursday April 22, 2010 13:27 Marie-Louise Nosch
13:23
[Comment From GuestGuest: ]
We cannot broad¨cast the entire lecture but you can ask questions to Anne Charpin
here and continue the discussion. 20 minutes go fast! Sorry
Thursday April 22, 2010 13:23 Guest
13:22
[Comment From Maurizio Del FreoMaurizio Del Freo: ]
Thank you Alessandro
Thursday April 22, 2010 13:22 Maurizio Del Freo
13:21
Jacke Phillips:
The torso of the Priest-king could not have been red, if only because the little
remaining of the background IS red.
Thursday April 22, 2010 13:21 Jacke Phillips
13:18
Alessandro Greco:
To Maurizio: thank you, Maurizio. Akoraijo is a great problem. I think that the first
problem to face up is the missing attestation of akorajo in the D series. But there are
some interesting terms in Ur III documentation, very close to what we think about
akorajo...
Thursday April 22, 2010 13:18 Alessandro Greco
13:14
[Comment From Vanghelis KyriakidisVanghelis Kyriakidis: ]
Janice: you all know of course the Panagiotakopoulou article in Antiquity. If we
want see through, I am not the textile expert, but think that linen can be more
transparent than silk (but maybe wrong).
Thursday April 22, 2010 13:14 Vanghelis Kyriakidis
13:13
[Comment From Maurizio Del FreoMaurizio Del Freo: ]
@ Alessandro: Congratulations. The parallel with the Ur III texts sounds interesting.
Do the a-ko-ra-jo flocks play some role in your theory?
Thursday April 22, 2010 13:13 Maurizio Del Freo
13:10
Jacke Phillips:
Hi Janice, sorry to not see you as well. Could it not be either, or both? Surely silk
cocoons would not have been commonplace items, even at the palaces. The linen
may have been used when silk was not possible, for whatever reason..
Thursday April 22, 2010 13:10 Jacke Phillips
13:09
[Comment From Vanghelis KyriakidisVanghelis Kyriakidis: ]
Janice and all sorry not to see you all. Its so good to be able to do this and
congratulations to Marie Louise, Robert and the centre for making this happen.
Thursday April 22, 2010 13:09 Vanghelis Kyriakidis
13:08
[Comment From Sascha MauelSascha Mauel: ]
@ Anne: the introductory comparison with the skater is very convincing - not least
because is it a photo!
Thursday April 22, 2010 13:08 Sascha Mauel
13:07
[Comment From Jørg WeilhartnerJørg Weilhartner: ]
Alessandro, you are welcome
Thursday April 22, 2010 13:07 Jørg Weilhartner
13:06
Alessandro Greco:
Jorg thank you again! you have been perfect
Thursday April 22, 2010 13:06 Alessandro Greco
13:05
13:05
Alessandro Greco:
yes, of course existed. but the D series is a census of sheep and not a note on their
consumption. for ex, the Dm series may indicate some animals ready to be eaten, but
is not a case if its structure is quite different from the other D tablets
Thursday April 22, 2010 13:05 Alessandro Greco
[Comment From GuestGuest: ]
A view from the north - There's a lot of crescent shape artefacts in Romania. Sorry
for the delay
Thursday April 22, 2010 13:05 Guest
13:04
Anne Chapin:
@Judith, yes, I think "harem pants" might give a sense of what I see in the
seals/paintings.
Thursday April 22, 2010 13:04 Anne Chapin
13:04
[Comment From Janice CrowleyJanice Crowley: ]
Vanghelis, Good to ay hello again. Thanks for your comments. Linen or silk for the
transparency. What is your current thinking?
Thursday April 22, 2010 13:04 Janice Crowley
13:04
John Younger:
Marie-Louise: I think (but don't know) that my problems with a recorded PPT was
that I recorded it on a MAC -- I'll try this afternoon re-recording on a PC and send it
to you this evening.
Thursday April 22, 2010 13:04 John Younger
13:03
[Comment From Judith WeingartenJudith Weingarten: ]
I may have missed the citation (if so, apologies) but there are a few sealings from
HT and ZA showing females in what I called 'harem pants'. Does this fit?
Thursday April 22, 2010 13:03 Judith Weingarten
13:03
ashlarblocks:
Louise: @ M-L: I tried 3 times to do a voiced ppt, but large chunks of my text were
not recorded, so I'd prefer to have mine read. Thanks.
Thursday April 22, 2010 13:03 ashlarblocks
13:03 KosmosAdmin2:
[Private Message to Guest] Could you please identify yourself. Thanks. Best Jane
Thursday April 22, 2010 13:03 KosmosAdmin2
13:02
[Comment From Sabine BeckmannSabine Beckmann: ]
@Alessandro: Are you implying that no animals where eaten from the flocks?
Thursday April 22, 2010 13:02 Sabine Beckmann
13:02
13:01
[Comment From Janice CrowleyJanice Crowley: ]
Jacke, So sorry not to see you at KOSMOS. Yes, it could be fine linen - and that is
what I thought for years when looking at the seals. However the extreme
transparency of some garments and the finding of the silk cocoon at Thera has
inclined me to see silk. I await the later papers on silk.
Thursday April 22, 2010 13:02 Janice Crowley
Marie-Louise Nosch:
To all KOSMOS participants who have sent ppt to me: if you have the possibility to
send me a voiced ppt, it would help A LOT. Thank you in advance!
Thursday April 22, 2010 13:01 Marie-Louise Nosch
13:01
Alessandro Greco:
the problem is that in LB we have the abbreiaviton for missing, that is o = opero. ki
is always registered with ewes, and it is surely a kind of sheep-lambs. we have
missing ki lambs, and missing wool non-produced by them in the same tablets
Thursday April 22, 2010 13:01 Alessandro Greco
12:59
Anne Chapin:
Re: pants v. chiton - the garments appear to wrap around the legs of the women, and
each leg seems to be separately wrapped. So, to my eye, they look more like pants
than a chiton. The term "divided skirt" is sometimes used to distinguish the garment
from pants, a term which evokes today's garment.
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:59 Anne Chapin
12:59
[Comment From Simona TodaroSimona Todaro: ]
@Alessandro: great paper!!!!
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:59 Simona Todaro
12:58
[Comment From John YoungerJohn Younger: ]
@Alessandro: could KI be from Linear A, "lacking", as in "lacking fleece"??
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:58 John Younger
12:58
Alessandro Greco:
Thank all you
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:58 Alessandro Greco
12:56
12:56
[Comment From Carlos VariasCarlos Varias: ]
Alessandro, very attractive approach and interpretations for WE, Ki and Ki ne in the
Mycenaean tablets from the evidence of Ur III period, at least as a more precise
suggestion. Congratulations!
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:56 Carlos Varias
Alessandro Greco:
He is perfect! I am very gratefeul to him!
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:56 Alessandro Greco
12:55
[Comment From John YoungerJohn Younger: ]
I'm hearing fine now -- don't know what the problem was. But Jörg is clear!
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:55 John Younger
12:55
12:55
Ute Günkel-Maschek:
@ Janice and Vanghelis: Thank you very much for your answers! I fully agree with
the interpretation of an high-quality and diaphanous garment. However, I was
wondering if the "pants" in the glyptic images are pants indeed or rather that kind of
chiton-like garment reconstructed by Jones. I (as a non-specialist in Minoan dress)
am wondering if we should think of "pants" at all?
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:55 Ute Günkel-Maschek
Jane Johnsen:
Jörg asked me to let you know that he might not at times use the correct
pronounciation of the Ur III Terminology
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:55 Jane Johnsen
12:54
Marie-Louise Nosch:
Alessandro, it is great to combine wth the Ur III texts, thank you, it can really shed
new light on the lambs /lambs wool
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:54 Marie-Louise Nosch
12:54
Anne Chapin:
@Janice: I live pretty close to Atlanta - how long are you visiting?
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:54 Anne Chapin
12:52
12:52
[Comment From Eva WachaEva Wacha: ]
to Crowley: Thank you for your very interesting paper. I have a question belonging
to hats and hope its not a revise of what you sad. Could we say, that head wearing is
not a gender sign? I ask that belonging also to the mycenaen terracotta-figurines,
which wear sometimes hats.
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:52 Eva Wacha
Alessandro Greco:
Thank you a lot Jorg!
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:52 Alessandro Greco
12:52
Marie-Louise Nosch:
Jörg Weilhartner kindly accepted to read Alessandro's paper and we are greteful for
this!
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:52 Marie-Louise Nosch
12:51
[Comment From Janice CrowleyJanice Crowley: ]
Louise, Thanks. We must talk of hats when I am back in OZ.
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:51 Janice Crowley
12:50
[Comment From Janice CrowleyJanice Crowley: ]
Anne, Thanks. What a pity we do not meet at KOSMOS!
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:50 Janice Crowley
12:50
12:50
[Comment From Vanghelis KyriakidisVanghelis Kyriakidis: ]
sorry...The link between Ayia Triada wallpainting female and the kneeling ladies
Militello has argued on his analysis of the wallpainting and myself in 97 in the
Kadmos paper (where I was arguing that they were see-through dresses)
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:50 Vanghelis Kyriakidis
[Comment From Janice CrowleyJanice Crowley: ]
John, Thanks. Sorry to miss you at KOSMOS.
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:50 Janice Crowley
12:50
[Comment From Vanghelis KyriakidisVanghelis Kyriakidis: ]
Janice: Arianne Marcar has in her PhD supports and has argued herself with
youabout the preponderant use of prestigious garments in iconography. Ute and
Janice: The link between the Ayia Triada, and the kneeling ladys (on baetyl)
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:50 Vanghelis Kyriakidis
12:50
[Comment From Jacke PhillipsJacke Phillips: ]
Great paper, Janice. But I'm wondering if the silk actually is very very fine linen,
which is very silky in its feel and draping qualities. The Egyptians produced
extremely fine linen, mainly for royalty but some extremely fine linen also has been
found in elite tombs. Some of Gillian Vogelsang-Eastwood's publications would
discuss this - I'm nowhere near the books right now, but can get further information
when I have access to the books.
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:50 Jacke Phillips
12:49
[Comment From Janice CrowleyJanice Crowley: ]
Alessandro, Thank you for your comments.
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:49 Janice Crowley
12:49
[Comment From Karen FosterKaren Foster: ]
Hi from New Haven. Jan, Great paper. What is the earliest Aegean evidence for
showing folds in garments?
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:49 Karen Foster
12:49
[Comment From Maria AnastasiadouMaria Anastasiadou: ]
@Crowley Very interesting paper. Thank you!
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:49 Maria Anastasiadou
12:49
[Comment From John YoungerJohn Younger: ]
@Jörg -- can't hear!
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:49 John Younger
12:49
Marie-Louise Nosch:
Thank you to Janice for sending a voiced ppt. It makes eveything much easier to us
here in Copenhagen! THANKS!
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:49 Marie-Louise Nosch
12:47
Anne Chapin:
Very fine paper, Janice! Thank you.
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:47 Anne Chapin
12:45
Margarita Gleba:
Would it be possible to make sure the readers have the microphone as close to their
mouth as possible - it makes a difference for the sound level, which is still very low
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:45 Margarita Gleba
12:45
malgorzata siennicka:
@Agnete - Great! Thanks a lot: malgorzata.siennicka@uw.edu.pl
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:45 malgorzata siennicka
12:45
Agnete Lassen:
@malgorzata. I can send you the preliminary report I wrote after the experiment.
What is your e-mail address?
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:45 Agnete Lassen
12:45
malgorzata siennicka:
@Agnete - I have read the abstract on the ICAANE home page. Are there any CTR
reports on this?
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:45 malgorzata siennicka
12:45
Janice Crowley:
Ute, This could well be so. As you heard in the paper, I think that the long pants are
a very important clothing item.
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:45 Janice Crowley
12:45
Marie-Louise Nosch:
You are most welcome to post questions and comments to Alessandro Greco - he is
on-line
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:45 Marie-Louise Nosch
12:44
Agnete Lassen:
I presented my results in ICAANE last week, but obviously that will not help you.
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:44 Agnete Lassen
12:44
Annette Højen Sørensen:
Thanks - Agnete - that would be great: klaahn(at)hum.au.dk
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:44 Annette Højen Sørensen
12:44
[Comment From John YoungerJohn Younger: ]
Thanks, Janice!
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:44 John Younger
12:43
Agnete Lassen:
Yes, I can, Marie-Louise. Where to begin?
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:43 Agnete Lassen
12:43
malgorzata siennicka:
@Agnete - Hi! Would tell us where to find the results of your experiments with the
crescent-shaped objects?
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:43 malgorzata siennicka
12:42
Agnete Lassen:
Absolutely Annette, I can mail you the references and my comments to it. (But next
week - I have another conference starting tomorrow, so I am a bit stressed)
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:42 Agnete Lassen
12:41
Marie-Louise Nosch:
For Agnete: could you comment on the crescent shaped loom weights discussed
yesterday, and tell about your experiments?
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:41 Marie-Louise Nosch
12:41
Annette Højen Sørensen:
Marisa - Thanks!
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:41 Annette Højen Sørensen
12:40
Annette Højen Sørensen:
Hi Agnete - maybe we could have a look at it at one point?
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:40 Annette Højen Sørensen
12:39
[Comment From Marsia BealbyMarsia Bealby: ]
@Annette. I understand. Your paper has given me food for thought. Thank you.
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:39 Marsia Bealby
12:39
[Comment From Agnete LassenAgnete Lassen: ]
@Annette. Very interesting paper! I am wondering if some of the recuttings of seals
I see in MB Kültepe are connected. In one example the added motif is a pointed cup
in the hand of the seated figure in a presentation scene.
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:39 Agnete Lassen
12:38
Annette Højen Sørensen:
Thak you Marisa - The reinterpretation of LUGAL was made by Guichard in his
monograph of 2005 - Yes I am sure this applies for Egypt as well, but time and
space was limited...
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:38 Annette Højen Sørensen
12:36
Alessandro Greco:
As always, Janise's papers are clear, wonderful and useful!
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:36 Alessandro Greco
12:36 KosmosAdmin2:
[Private Message to Guest] Sorry guest, but would you please identify yourself
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:36 KosmosAdmin2
12:35
[Comment From Marsia BealbyMarsia Bealby: ]
@Annette. Wonderful paper. I have to admit it was the first time I came across this
LUGAL interpretation. I am pretty sure that your 'prestigious metal cups and jugs
must-haves theory' also applies to Egypt (long-discussed Tod treasure?)
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:35 Marsia Bealby
12:34
Ute Günkel-Maschek:
Good morning everybody! @ Janice Crowley: you describe the garment worn by the
female carrier of a double axe as "long pants". I was wondering if this garment is the
same as those worn by female kneeling figures, those which Bernice Jones
reconstructed by means of the kneeling female figure from Hagia Triada as some
kind of chiton-like garment. Do you think these are all the same garments?
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:34 Ute Günkel-Maschek
12:34
[Comment From Fragoula GeormaFragoula Georma: ]
Goodmorning from the Akrotiri Excavation!
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:34 Fragoula Georma
12:34
[Comment From Eleni KonstantinidiEleni Konstantinidi: ]
Good morning from Athens! I am sorry I cannot watch all the time, so far it is great!
Greetings to everyone!
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:34 Eleni Konstantinidi
12:34 KosmosAdmin2:
[Private Message to Kostas Paschalidis] Thank you. Glad to help
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:34 KosmosAdmin2
12:34
ashlarblocks:
Louise: Hi Jan, great paper. I was interested to see so many kinds of headgear on
seals when they only occur on 2 bronze figurines.
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:34 ashlarblocks
12:33
[Comment From Robert LaffineurRobert Laffineur: ]
It was unexpected but it is great to hear your voice, exactly as if you were with us
here. All the best to Jeff and you and see you soon down under.
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:33 Robert Laffineur
12:33 Kostas Paschalidis:
[Private Message to KosmosAdmin2] Thank you for such an immediate response! You are
doing a great job, all of you! (Reply Privately)
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:33 Kostas Paschalidis
12:33
[Comment From Sascha MauelSascha Mauel: ]
Hello everybody! Sad I can't be with you after all. I'm stuck half the way between
Greece and Denmark, but it's certainly pointless being mad at a volcano! Greetings
from Cologne*
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:33 Sascha Mauel
12:32 KosmosAdmin2:
[Private Message to Kostas Paschalidis] Dear Koatas. I have now corrected the title on the
webpage.
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:32 KosmosAdmin2
12:28
[Comment From Janice CrowleyJanice Crowley: ]
Thanks, Marie-Louise. I am on-line to answer questions.
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:28 Janice Crowley
12:26 Kostas Paschalidis:
[Private Message to KosmosAdmin2] Could you please correct the word Morrors with
Mirrors on my paper's title. It is misspelled on the Thursday's programm as shown on this
page's link! Thank you . (Constantinos Paschalidis) (Reply Privately)
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:26 Kostas Paschalidis
12:26 Guest:
[Private Message to KosmosAdmin2] Cant you see my name? I typed it into the'your name'
space (Reply Privately)
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:26 Guest
12:25 KosmosAdmin2:
[Private Message to Guest] Could you please state your name, when posting. Best, Jane
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:25 KosmosAdmin2
12:23
Marie-Louise Nosch:
It is great to hear your voice, Janice! But we miss you here in Copenhagen.
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:23 Marie-Louise Nosch
12:23
[Comment From Valeria LenuzzaValeria Lenuzza: ]
Hi all!
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:23 Valeria Lenuzza
12:22
[Comment From Annette Højen SørensenAnnette Højen Sørensen: ]
Louise: I did indeed include Assafs paper - there was no room for all details here - I
will expand on the issue in the volume...
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:22 Annette Højen Sørensen
12:22
[Comment From Simona TodaroSimona Todaro: ]
Good morning everybody from Catania by myself and Pietro Militello!!!
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:22 Simona Todaro
12:22
[Comment From Carlos VariasCarlos Varias: ]
Carlos Varias: Good morning from Copenhagen to everybody
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:22 Carlos Varias
12:22
[Comment From Annette Højen SørensenAnnette Højen Sørensen: ]
Thanks Luca!
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:22 Annette Højen Sørensen
12:21
[Comment From Annette Højen SørensenAnnette Højen Sørensen: ]
Thank you very much Louise
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:21 Annette Højen Sørensen
12:21
ashlarblocks:
Louise H.: Wonderful paper! You might want to have a look at Assaf Yasur
Landau's paper in the DAIS volume.
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:21 ashlarblocks
12:21
[Comment From Luca GirellaLuca Girella: ]
Hello Annette! Good to see you there after some years. Good paper!
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:21 Luca Girella
12:20 Kostas Paschalidis:
[Private Message to KosmosAdmin2] Thank you for notifying me! Good news! (Reply
Privately)
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:20 Kostas Paschalidis
12:19 KosmosAdmin2:
[Private Message to Kostas Paschalidis] Kostas, MMarie Louise tells that Petyas narrative ppt
works now - finally!
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:19 KosmosAdmin2
12:17
Judith Weingarten:
Yes, Louise, I am reminded of Colin Macdonald's discovery of a hierarchy of
drinking vessels in the MM IB deposit from Early Magazine A, Knossos
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:17 Judith Weingarten
12:17
[Comment From Kostas PaschalidisKostas Paschalidis: ]
Kalimera from Athens! I was looking forward it since yesterady night! Petya, if you
are online, get in yahho chat and lets try to do your recording step by step
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:17 Kostas Paschalidis
12:17
[Comment From sofiasakkarisofiasakkari: ]
Hello!
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:17 sofiasakkari
12:15
ashlarblocks:
Louise Hitchcock: @Annette: this is a fantastic paper. It's about time we're using
Near Eastern history to shed light on Aegean archaeology in a mainstream Aegean
conference!
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:15 ashlarblocks
12:14
[Comment From Julie HrubyJulie Hruby: ]
Good morning from rural Kentucky, USA.
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:14 Julie Hruby
12:12
[Comment From sofiasakkarisofiasakkari: ]
goodmorning everyone
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:12 sofiasakkari
12:12
Helena Tomas:
Good morning from Croatia.
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:12 Helena Tomas
12:11
[Comment From Marie-Louise NoschMarie-Louise Nosch: ]
Welcome to all!
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:11 Marie-Louise Nosch
12:11
[Comment From Jacke PhillipsJacke Phillips: ]
Good morning (still) in the UK!
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:11 Jacke Phillips
12:11
[Comment From Marie-Louise NoschMarie-Louise Nosch: ]
You are welcome to post questions and comments to Annette Højen Sørensen
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:11 Marie-Louise Nosch
12:07
[Comment From ashlarblocksashlarblocks: ]
Louise H. Good morning from Australia fellow Aegeanists!
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:07 ashlarblocks
12:07
Margarita Gleba:
Hello from Berlin!
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:07 Margarita Gleba
12:06
[Comment From Katherina AslanidouKatherina Aslanidou: ]
Good morning everyone from Sharjah, UAE
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:06 Katherina Aslanidou
12:05
Alessandro Greco:
Good morning everybody
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:05 Alessandro Greco
12:04
[Comment From Katherina AslanidouKatherina Aslanidou: ]
Hi Fritz! Good morning :)
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:04 Katherina Aslanidou
12:03
malgorzata siennicka:
Hello and dzień dobry from Warsaw!
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:03 malgorzata siennicka
12:02
[Comment From Annette PohlkeAnnette Pohlke: ]
For sound Audacity works for Linux as well.
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:02 Annette Pohlke
12:02
Jane Johnsen:
Just to let you all know. There might be a slight delay in showing your chat. But it
will be posted.
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:02 Jane Johnsen
12:01
12:01
[Comment From Annette PohlkeAnnette Pohlke: ]
Good morning! For mysterious reasons the chat is now works on my Mac, maybe
rebooting did it. So I can now have the stream and the chat on my laptop and move
around. Very nice for coffee breaks.
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:01 Annette Pohlke
[Comment From Marsia BealbyMarsia Bealby: ]
Hello, anybody knows what to use to capture sound and image if we run linux?
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:01 Marsia Bealby
12:01
[Comment From Janice CrowleyJanice Crowley: ]
Looking forward to another great day of KOSMOS!
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:01 Janice Crowley
12:01
[Comment From FritzFritz: ]
Morning! Hi Katherina! ;-)
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:01 Fritz
12:01
11:56
[Comment From carole gilliscarole gillis: ]
Good morning, all--Marie Louise asked me to write as they are so busy just before
broadcast time. Some of you have asked about indicating tea/coffee breaks so that
you can rush to your kitchens and get a cup. Unfortunately we take none!! So rush
now and bring in a stack of provisions by your computers :-)
Thursday April 22, 2010 12:01 carole gillis
[Comment From Judith WeingartenJudith Weingarten: ]
Good morning all from sunny spring-y Italy.
Thursday April 22, 2010 11:56 Judith Weingarten
11:54
Peter Pavuk:
Sorry, that was a message from yesterday! :-)
Thursday April 22, 2010 11:54 Peter Pavuk
11:51
[Comment From Peter PavukPeter Pavuk: ]
Am tired just like after a day of a "proper" conference :-P
Thursday April 22, 2010 11:51 Peter Pavuk
11:50
11:45
[Comment From Vanghelis KyriakidisVanghelis Kyriakidis: ]
BTW for those interested to capture the voice of a paper you can record with open
source software AUDACITY (there are others too, but I know this one) and if you
want to capture both sound and image you can do that with CAMSTUDIO again
open source and free on the internet.
Thursday April 22, 2010 11:50 Vanghelis Kyriakidis
[Comment From Marsia BealbyMarsia Bealby: ]
@Katerina: I am looking forward to your paper. Greetings from sunny (that makes a
change) Lichfield, UK.
Thursday April 22, 2010 11:45 Marsia Bealby
11:45
[Comment From Marsia BealbyMarsia Bealby: ]
Good morning. I am looking forward to today's papers.
Thursday April 22, 2010 11:45 Marsia Bealby
11:36 Sander Brabander:
[Private Message to KosmosAdmin2] Ah, okay. I was already suspecting that. Thanks for the
info! (Reply Privately)
Thursday April 22, 2010 11:36 Sander Brabander
11:35
[Comment From Luca GirellaLuca Girella: ]
Good morning everybody!!
Thursday April 22, 2010 11:35 Luca Girella
11:35
[Comment From Sander BrabanderSander Brabander: ]
Why can't I see my own comments in chat?
Thursday April 22, 2010 11:35 Sander Brabander
11:35 KosmosAdmin2:
[Private Message to Sander Brabander] Dear Sander. There is a delay, because the event of
the day has not properly opened yet
Thursday April 22, 2010 11:35 KosmosAdmin2
11:34
[Comment From Sander BrabanderSander Brabander: ]
Good morning!
Thursday April 22, 2010 11:34 Sander Brabander
11:34
[Comment From Katherina AslanidouKatherina Aslanidou: ]
Thank you all for this unique oportunity
Thursday April 22, 2010 11:34 Katherina Aslanidou
11:34
[Comment From Katherina AslanidouKatherina Aslanidou: ]
Good morning from Sharjah :) I will be waiting...
Thursday April 22, 2010 11:34 Katherina Aslanidou
11:34
[Comment From martelli isabellemartelli isabelle: ]
congratulation to Copenhagen, it was a first great interesting day. good night and
lots of thanks for this organisation! bravi
Thursday April 22, 2010 11:34 martelli isabelle
11:34
[Comment From Tzigounaki AnastasiaTzigounaki Anastasia: ]
Thank you so much!!!! Agree with Judith about coffee break and sound : )
Thursday April 22, 2010 11:34 Tzigounaki Anastasia
11:34
[Comment From Neculai BolohanNeculai Bolohan: ]
Nice to share this media experience. It's a good opportunity "to globalize the
Kosmos".
Thursday April 22, 2010 11:34 Neculai Bolohan
11:34
[Comment From Neculai BolohanNeculai Bolohan: ]
Nice to share this media experience. It's a good opportunity "to globalize the
Kosmos" !!!
Thursday April 22, 2010 11:34 Neculai Bolohan
11:34
[Comment From Yo MarosYo Maros: ]
Congratulations hope that your work will be an examle to all the future conferences.
Thursday April 22, 2010 11:34 Yo Maros
11:34
[Comment From Sascha MauelSascha Mauel: ]
So sad that I can't be with you these days, as I am stuck somewhere between
Düsseldorf and Cologne, half the way between Greece and Denmark... But then
again: so gratifying that you have understood to make the best of this situation!
There is certainly no point in being mad at a volcano! Unfortunately I couldn't join
the web cast today (except for the last contribution), but I am looking very much
forward to the following days inputs.
Thursday April 22, 2010 11:34 Sascha Mauel
11:34
[Comment From Jean-Robert Laffineur@HomJean-Robert Laffineur@Hom: ]
Congratulations for this great event!
Thursday April 22, 2010 11:34 Jean-Robert Laffineur@Hom
11:33
[Comment From Sascha MauelSascha Mauel: ]
So sad I can't be with you... but so gratifying to see, that you have managed to make
the best of the situation. There is finally no point in being mad with a volcano!
Thursday April 22, 2010 11:33 Sascha Mauel
11:33
[Comment From Jean-Robert LaffineurJean-Robert Laffineur: ]
Congratulations for this great event!
Thursday April 22, 2010 11:33 Jean-Robert Laffineur
11:33
[Comment From anaya Sarpakianaya Sarpaki: ]
Thank you for this memorable event!..from Crete
Thursday April 22, 2010 11:33 anaya Sarpaki
11:33
[Comment From Colin MacdonaldColin Macdonald: ]
Thanks very much.
Thursday April 22, 2010 11:33 Colin Macdonald
11:33
[Comment From Angelos PapadopoulosAngelos Papadopoulos: ]
Thank you everybody. It was truly exciting and wonderful. See you tomorrow.
Thursday April 22, 2010 11:33 Angelos Papadopoulos
11:33
[Comment From Yaşar ErsoyYaşar Ersoy: ]
Such a great success! Thank you all for this joyful and rich session
Thursday April 22, 2010 11:33 Yaşar Ersoy
11:33
[Comment From Jean-Robert LaffineurJean-Robert Laffineur: ]
Congratulations for great event!
Thursday April 22, 2010 11:33 Jean-Robert Laffineur
11:33
[Comment From Simona TodaroSimona Todaro: ]
It was a great afternoon!!! Thanks!!
Thursday April 22, 2010 11:33 Simona Todaro
11:28
Jane Johnsen:
Goodmorning all
Thursday April 22, 2010 11:28 Jane Johnsen
11:21
Alex:
Morning Katherina! The broadcast begins at noon today!
Thursday April 22, 2010 11:21 Alex
11:19
[Comment From Katherina AslanidouKatherina Aslanidou: ]
Good morning everyone. Is the broadcast on hold?
Thursday April 22, 2010 11:19 Katherina Aslanidou
11:18
Alex:
Hello again :) The chat is open, more to come at 12!
Thursday April 22, 2010 11:18 Alex
20:07
Annette Pohlke:
Good night everyone, see you tomorrow.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 20:07 Annette Pohlke
20:06
KosmosAdmin1:
Good night everyone! We will all be back tomorrow:)
Wednesday April 21, 2010 20:06 KosmosAdmin1
20:06
Judith Weingarten:
Another tiny suggestion: could you indicate your tea/coffee breaks in the
programme so that those of us on-line can rush to the kitchen at the right times :-)
Wednesday April 21, 2010 20:06 Judith Weingarten
20:02
Guest:
And now, where will we go for lunch... if we were in Copenhagen!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 20:02 Guest
20:01
emanuela alberti:
Great day! thank to you all! A domani!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 20:01 emanuela alberti
20:01
[Comment From Lena PapazoglouLena Papazoglou: ]
Thank you for the unprecedented experience
Wednesday April 21, 2010 20:01 Lena Papazoglou
20:01
[Comment From Georgia FloudaGeorgia Flouda: ]
I wish this idea would be applied for Cretological as well!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 20:01 Georgia Flouda
20:01
[Comment From Efi TistsaEfi Tistsa: ]
GOOD NIGHT FROM HERAKLION CRETE. Everything were Wonderful!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 20:01 Efi Tistsa
20:01
[Comment From Jacke PhillipsJacke Phillips: ]
Sometimes XIII is a good number!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 20:01 Jacke Phillips
20:01
[Comment From Susan FerrenceSusan Ferrence: ]
Sound is much improved if you use earphones. Congrats on an excellent digital
effort today!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 20:01 Susan Ferrence
20:01
Sophia Vakirtzi:
Congratulations to the organisers, readers and contributors. Thank you !
Wednesday April 21, 2010 20:01 Sophia Vakirtzi
20:01
[Comment From Loeta TyreeLoeta Tyree: ]
Wonderful. Thanks to all.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 20:01 Loeta Tyree
20:01
[Comment From anna lucia dagataanna lucia dagata: ]
fantastic event
Wednesday April 21, 2010 20:01 anna lucia dagata
20:00
[Comment From Tom BroganTom Brogan: ]
Who would have known that the choice of the title Kosmos would literally mean
bringing the papers to the world. Many thanks to all who read our papers
Wednesday April 21, 2010 20:00 Tom Brogan
20:00
[Comment From Kostas PaschalidisKostas Paschalidis: ]
Congratulations to all the organizers! Thank you so much!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 20:00 Kostas Paschalidis
20:00
[Comment From Tom BroganTom Brogan: ]
Congratulations Marie Louise and Robert.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 20:00 Tom Brogan
20:00
20:00
[Comment From Judith WeingartenJudith Weingarten: ]
Brilliant. Congratulations to CTR and the University -- and especially to the readers
of so many excellent papers -- and to all of you up in the north, . What a day! A
domani. (please try to improve the sound if you can).
Wednesday April 21, 2010 20:00 Judith Weingarten
[Comment From John YoungerJohn Younger: ]
Fabulous!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 20:00 John Younger
19:59
19:59
[Comment From Julie HrubyJulie Hruby: ]
@ Tom Brogan: this is really wonderful material. Do you know at what stage in the
cloth production process the dying is occurring? (Finished cloth? Thread/yarn?
Fibers?)
Wednesday April 21, 2010 19:59 Julie Hruby
[Comment From Marsia BealbyMarsia Bealby: ]
Very interesting paper.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 19:59 Marsia Bealby
19:59
[Comment From Marcia NugentMarcia Nugent: ]
Congratulations Marie-Louise and Robert on a great first day and thank-you to all of
the readers of papers.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 19:59 Marcia Nugent
19:59
[Comment From ashlarblocksashlarblocks: ]
Louise Hitchcock: Good night from Melbourne where it's 4AM and thanks for a
fantastic first day!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 19:59 ashlarblocks
19:59
malgorzata siennicka:
A wonderful experience! Thanks a lot to all in Copenhagen!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 19:59 malgorzata siennicka
19:58
Jane Johnsen:
Goodbye for the first da. Thanks to all who have contributed so actively to the web
chat
Wednesday April 21, 2010 19:58 Jane Johnsen
19:58
Annette Pohlke:
Many thanks indeed. It was a great event so far.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 19:58 Annette Pohlke
19:57
Margarita Gleba:
Great first day! Thanks to the organsing team and all the participants who have been
reading!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 19:57 Margarita Gleba
19:57
Annette Højen Sørensen:
Thank you Nancy for reading todays last paper.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 19:57 Annette Højen Sørensen
19:54
emanuela alberti:
Thank you so much!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 19:54 emanuela alberti
19:51
[Comment From Yaşar ErsoyYaşar Ersoy: ]
Emanuela is right.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 19:51 Yaşar Ersoy
19:51
Jane Johnsen:
@Emanuela Alberti. I have asked the tech to stop switching
Wednesday April 21, 2010 19:51 Jane Johnsen
19:50
emanuela alberti:
please do not "switch" the image to speaker, I miss something each time!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 19:50 emanuela alberti
19:43
[Comment From Poor Graduate StudentPoor Graduate Student: ]
This is a wonderful opportunity for those of us unequipped for international travel
this week. Kudos! I'm so grateful to be allowed to participate.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 19:43 Poor Graduate Student
19:42
[Comment From Tobias MuehlenbruchTobias Muehlenbruch: ]
@Tom Brogan: Do you have got already results of the organic residue analysis? It is
great that you know what chemical substances you have to look for.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 19:42 Tobias Muehlenbruch
19:41
emanuela alberti:
Great excavations! And proper purple plants from Crete are not so common! I think
there is some MMII evidence at Palaikastro and Kouphounissi too
Wednesday April 21, 2010 19:41 emanuela alberti
19:40
[Comment From M. Del FreoM. Del Freo: ]
@ Tom Brogan: I have heard that some new linear A documents have been found in
Chryssi. Can you tell us if they come from the B1 building?
Wednesday April 21, 2010 19:40 M. Del Freo
19:40
[Comment From Luca GirellaLuca Girella: ]
Congratulations Tom and Philip for this admiring set of projects!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 19:40 Luca Girella
19:40
Annette Højen Sørensen:
Thank you Carole for reading yet another paper - this time on the workshop at
Pacheia Ammos
Wednesday April 21, 2010 19:40 Annette Højen Sørensen
19:39
Margarita Gleba:
@Tom, Phil and Stavroula: wonderful 2 papers! thanks for your meticulous work!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 19:39 Margarita Gleba
19:38
[Comment From Georgia FloudaGeorgia Flouda: ]
@Tom Brogan: Congratulations Pefka is amazing!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 19:38 Georgia Flouda
19:38
[Comment From ashlarblocksashlarblocks: ]
Louise H. @Tom et al.: very interesting papers!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 19:38 ashlarblocks
19:35
[Comment From Yaşar ErsoyYaşar Ersoy: ]
Amazing work, dear Tom! Thanks to you and your collaborators in these projects!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 19:35 Yaşar Ersoy
19:33
[Comment From GuestGuest: ]
CONGRATULATIONS TO EVERYONE! PROFESSIONAL WORK. NOT
EVERYBODY AFFORD TO ATTEND SUCH INTERESTING EVENTS. KEEP
UP THE GOOD WORK.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 19:33 Guest
19:33
[Comment From martelli isabellemartelli isabelle: ]
thank you to Ingeborg for reading my paper! and to all of you for your interest and
comments; for the bronze wheels I follow Verucchio interpretation such as possible
spindles whorls
Wednesday April 21, 2010 19:33 martelli isabelle
19:33
[Comment From Simona TodaroSimona Todaro: ]
Well, I was remarking on Kostas comment, not on the fact that the pp was two slides
haed! Congratulations, amazing paper!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 19:33 Simona Todaro
19:28
Jane Johnsen:
@Tom Brogan. I apologise for the dely in posting your comments.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 19:28 Jane Johnsen
19:27
[Comment From Tom BroganTom Brogan: ]
we are two slides ahead. Can we go back
Wednesday April 21, 2010 19:27 Tom Brogan
19:27
[Comment From Simona TodaroSimona Todaro: ]
It is amazing, indeed!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 19:27 Simona Todaro
19:27
[Comment From Tom BroganTom Brogan: ]
we are one or two slides ahead of the talk
Wednesday April 21, 2010 19:27 Tom Brogan
19:26
Annette Højen Sørensen:
Thank you Henriette for reading the paper on the murex dye industry on Chryssi
Wednesday April 21, 2010 19:26 Annette Højen Sørensen
19:22
Margarita Gleba:
@everyone dealing with purple dye: Murex is an obsolete name for the species - the
correct biological name is Hexaplex trunculus
Wednesday April 21, 2010 19:22 Margarita Gleba
19:16
Kostas Paschalidis:
Well, what an excavation!!!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 19:16 Kostas Paschalidis
19:08
Sophia Vakirtzi:
@Margareta Gleba : indeed, however this one really is ambiguous, not only because
of its size.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 19:08 Sophia Vakirtzi
19:04
Sophia Vakirtzi:
@Janice Crowley : you are welcome
Wednesday April 21, 2010 19:04 Sophia Vakirtzi
19:02
19:01
Margarita Gleba:
@Sophia: considering the fineness of yarn that was achieved already in the Bronze
Age it should not be at all surprising to have extremely light spindle whorls. Thank
you for raising the bead/whorl issue again!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 19:02 Margarita Gleba
[Comment From Janice CrowleyJanice Crowley: ]
Sophia, Many thanks.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 19:01 Janice Crowley
19:01
19:01
[Comment From Reinhard JungReinhard Jung: ]
Good point, Pietro. Especially the lead specimens must be considerably heavier than
the bronze ones. In Italian prehistory they often used to be interpreted as pin heads,
but there are almost no examples with the shaft preserved
Wednesday April 21, 2010 19:01 Reinhard Jung
Sophia Vakirtzi:
I could hear if fine from the beginning. I hope the rest did too
Wednesday April 21, 2010 19:01 Sophia Vakirtzi
19:01
[Comment From Tobias MuehlenbruchTobias Muehlenbruch: ]
@ Luca Girella: Yes, Kilian published a fragment from Tiryns in the
Archaeologischer Anzeiger.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 19:01 Tobias Muehlenbruch
19:01
[Comment From Reinhard JungReinhard Jung: ]
There is another such pithos with stamped wheel-motifs from Delphi, often
overlooked (probably to be dated to LH IIIC Advanced)
Wednesday April 21, 2010 19:01 Reinhard Jung
19:00
Ida Demant:
not speaker - microphone.... I must be tired :-)
Wednesday April 21, 2010 19:00 Ida Demant
19:00
Ida Demant:
sorry for forgetting the speaker in the beginning - I hope you got the most
eccential... very interesting paper, Sophia.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 19:00 Ida Demant
18:59
Sophia Vakirtzi:
@Kostas : euxaristisis mou!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 18:59 Sophia Vakirtzi
18:59
Annette Højen Sørensen:
Thank you Ida for reading yet another paper - this time by Sophia Vakirtzi
Wednesday April 21, 2010 18:59 Annette Højen Sørensen
18:58
Sophia Vakirtzi:
Thank you Ida for reading my paper !
Wednesday April 21, 2010 18:58 Sophia Vakirtzi
18:58
Kostas Paschalidis:
Thank you Sophia!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 18:58 Kostas Paschalidis
18:54
18:50
pietro militello:
Again, I had the impression that the collected wheels were of different dimensions
(and also shapes). The methodological question is if some of them could be used to
spin, and again: what is the weight and how large is the hole?
Wednesday April 21, 2010 18:54 pietro militello
[Comment From Luca GirellaLuca Girella: ]
yes, Reinhard, if I am not wrong pithoi with impressed wheels come from Asine and
Tiryns
Wednesday April 21, 2010 18:50 Luca Girella
18:49
malgorzata siennicka:
@Yaşar Ersoy – thanks a lot!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 18:49 malgorzata siennicka
18:48
[Comment From Reinhard JungReinhard Jung: ]
That is to say, in Mycenaean Greece they stamped pithoi with those wheels (my first
remark was not clear enough)
Wednesday April 21, 2010 18:48 Reinhard Jung
18:48
[Comment From Yaşar ErsoyYaşar Ersoy: ]
@malgorzata siennicka. Sorry I was offline briefly. Yes there are crescent objects at
EBA Limantepe included in the paper I referred to before. I am sorry for the delay
getting back to you.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 18:48 Yaşar Ersoy
18:48
[Comment From ashlarblocksashlarblocks: ]
Louise H. @Martelli: small bronze wheels were found in the 12th c. "temple" at Tell
Miqne/Ekron where they were believed to come from a Cypriot style bronze stand
with wheels.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 18:48 ashlarblocks
18:47
18:47
[Comment From Josephine VerduciJosephine Verduci: ]
@Isabelle Martelli: Isabelle you might be aware but the the solid wheels from the
Tarquinia Archaeological Museum are very similar to those on display at the
Archaeological Institute at UCL from the Near East that are attached to miniature
chariots.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 18:47 Josephine Verduci
[Comment From Robert LaffineurRobert Laffineur: ]
And why using gold for makimg these tools?
Wednesday April 21, 2010 18:47 Robert Laffineur
18:47
18:46
[Comment From Reinhard JungReinhard Jung: ]
Matthäus has published an article on Italian-Mycenaean relationships in Jahrbuch
des DAI 1980 p. 109 ff., where he has collected many "wheels" of the type
discussed by Martelli. Interestingly these wheels were used as stamps on pithoi (but
not in Italy).
Wednesday April 21, 2010 18:47 Reinhard Jung
[Comment From John YoungerJohn Younger: ]
Ooops! I meant Isabelle Martelli -- sorry! This wondrous event is confusing my poor
brain!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 18:46 John Younger
18:44
[Comment From Julie HrubyJulie Hruby: ]
Don't some of the larger figures from Mycenae have perforations at their jaw-lines?
I haven't looked to see what people have said about them, but they're very strange; I
want them to be places to attach beards, but some of the figures look more female.
In any case, if something's being attached, that speaks to the idea of dressing them
up.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 18:44 Julie Hruby
18:44
pietro militello:
@Martelli very Interesting and useful collection of possible (and often missed)
textile tool objects. However, wheel, which have a long discussion (R.Jung could
surely add more) cast some doubts. What about weight and above all hole diameter?
Wednesday April 21, 2010 18:44 pietro militello
18:44
[Comment From carole gilliscarole gillis: ]
not sos ure I do...it is so tempting to see parallels, but then there are such reat
differences in the societies...
Wednesday April 21, 2010 18:44 carole gillis
18:44
[Comment From Robert LaffineurRobert Laffineur: ]
A very nice and convincing paper, Isabelle
Wednesday April 21, 2010 18:44 Robert Laffineur
18:43
18:43
[Comment From John YoungerJohn Younger: ]
Helene Whittaker: your "chariot wheel" spindle whorls, esp. those with stirrupspokes stamped clay pots in LH IIIC -- I'll send the reference to you later. I also saw
some precisely identical examples in a Visigoth (!) exhibit in Rome several years
ago.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 18:43 John Younger
[Comment From Robert LaffineurRobert Laffineur: ]
Sure, Louise
Wednesday April 21, 2010 18:43 Robert Laffineur
18:43
Annette Højen Sørensen:
Thank you, Ingeborg for reading Martelli's paper
Wednesday April 21, 2010 18:43 Annette Højen Sørensen
18:40
[Comment From Helene von HofstenHelene von Hofsten: ]
Louise, I would agree with that!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 18:40 Helene von Hofsten
18:40
[Comment From Helene von HofstenHelene von Hofsten: ]
Thank you, Carole!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 18:40 Helene von Hofsten
18:40
[Comment From ashlarblocksashlarblocks: ]
Louise H. @Robert: Agreed, but doesn't it occur much earlier in the Near East?
Wednesday April 21, 2010 18:40 ashlarblocks
18:40
[Comment From Helene von HofstenHelene von Hofsten: ]
Robert, absolutely!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 18:40 Helene von Hofsten
18:40
[Comment From Helene von HofstenHelene von Hofsten: ]
Thank you Tobias! Fritz, nice to hear from you; I am envious that you managed to
make it to Copenhagen in person.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 18:40 Helene von Hofsten
18:38
[Comment From ashlarblocksashlarblocks: ]
Louise H.: @Helene, I tend to see it as a common language of prestige
Wednesday April 21, 2010 18:38 ashlarblocks
18:38
[Comment From carole gilliscarole gillis: ]
Hi, Helene--really interesting.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 18:38 carole gillis
18:38
[Comment From Robert LaffineurRobert Laffineur: ]
Dressing figures is also very Greek.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 18:38 Robert Laffineur
18:38
[Comment From Helene von HofstenHelene von Hofsten: ]
Nice to hear from you, Georgia.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 18:38 Helene von Hofsten
18:34
[Comment From Helene von HofstenHelene von Hofsten: ]
Louise, I tend to think that there may have been a lot of parallels between the Near
East and the Greek mainland in the later part of the Mycenaean period, not
necessarily influence one way or the other, but perhaps a commonality of practice
over a large area.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 18:34 Helene von Hofsten
18:34
[Comment From Tobias MuehlenbruchTobias Muehlenbruch: ]
@ Helene Whittaker: In the Lower Citadel of Tiryns, LH III C Advanced, in room
115 Klaus Kilian found a figurine next to some beads - which may have to be
connected with the figurine.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 18:34 Tobias Muehlenbruch
18:30
malgorzata siennicka:
I will contact Agnete Lassen, thank you, Richard Firth.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 18:30 malgorzata siennicka
18:30
Fritz:
Hi, Helene! VERY interesting paper!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 18:30 Fritz
18:29
[Comment From Richard FirthRichard Firth: ]
@malgorzata siennicka: Within the CTR database, all the crescent shaped weights
are from Anatolia, except for a small number from Tiryns, Agnete Lassen has made
a more general study of crescent-shaped weights, and if she is on-line then she might
be able to answer your question in more detail.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 18:29 Richard Firth
18:28
[Comment From Helene von HofstenHelene von Hofsten: ]
Henriette, thank you very much for reading my paper
Wednesday April 21, 2010 18:28 Helene von Hofsten
18:28
[Comment From Helene von HofstenHelene von Hofsten: ]
Bryan, the drawings were made by my husband.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 18:28 Helene von Hofsten
18:28
[Comment From Helene von HofstenHelene von Hofsten: ]
To Kostas and Vassilis, thank you for your comments and I look forward to a
discussion on the meaning of thronos/thronon.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 18:28 Helene von Hofsten
18:28
[Comment From ashlarblocksashlarblocks: ]
Louise H. @ Helene: I enjoyed your paper. The ideal of dressing up figures and
carrying them in procession is very near Eastern.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 18:28 ashlarblocks
18:28
[Comment From Georgia FloudaGeorgia Flouda: ]
Thank you Helene!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 18:28 Georgia Flouda
18:23
18:22
Vassilis Petrakis:
@ Helene Whittaker: As long as I am still in, I feel obliged to say that this has been
a splendid, very enjoyable paper! I particularly liked the reference to Helms (also
relevant to J. Smith's paper). On ποικιλόθρονος (poikilothronos, if Greek characters
do not appear), I think I heard "throne" in the translation? There is a convincing
literature that the second component in the adjective (in Homer and the lyrics) is
NOT masculine θρόνος (thronos, 'throne'), but the neuter *θρόνον (thronon), which
means many things, amongst which 'ornament', or particularly 'ornament on
clothing'. We can exchange views and provide detailed references later, so as not to
crowd this chat space. Congratulations, once again!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 18:23 Vassilis Petrakis
Jane Johnsen:
Ingeborg asked me to let you know that she is conference organizer and Cold War
historian, and thus greek and Italian pronounciation is not her strong suit....;o)
Wednesday April 21, 2010 18:22 Jane Johnsen
18:22
18:22
[Comment From Bryan BurnsBryan Burns: ]
Helene (if you're out there), I'm quite struck by several aspects of your paper,
especially the Cult Center figures reconstructed with clothing! Are those your own
drawings?
Wednesday April 21, 2010 18:22 Bryan Burns
Kostas Paschalidis:
Thank you Helen Whittaker!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 18:22 Kostas Paschalidis
18:21
Annette Højen Sørensen:
Than you Henriette for reading the paper of Helene Whittaker
Wednesday April 21, 2010 18:21 Annette Højen Sørensen
18:19
[Comment From Josephine VerduciJosephine Verduci: ]
@Louise: Finally got internet access. Unfortunately the wireless at my hotel keeps
cutting in and out but I will keep trying!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 18:19 Josephine Verduci
18:17
18:12
malgorzata siennicka:
@Richard Firth – Thank you. The ‘bananas’ we have at Tiryns are between 480 and
almost 600 g. As many other objects and ideas, they may have arrived to the Argolid
from Anatolia. I think, the chronology fits, too. I wonder if there are others in the
Aegean (not published?), as one would expect from the distribution of other objects
of possibly Anatolian origins (e.g. anchors) found at many other Aegean sites.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 18:17 malgorzata siennicka
[Comment From ashlarblocksashlarblocks: ]
Louise H.: @Jo: glad you "made it"
Wednesday April 21, 2010 18:12 ashlarblocks
18:11
[Comment From Josephine VerduciJosephine Verduci: ]
The online conference could be the start of a wonderful new platform for bringing
together everyone from around the world (the live stream is fantastic). As Robert
mentioned it is a positive outcome from what has been a very difficult week.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 18:11 Josephine Verduci
18:11 Helena Tomas:
[Private Message to KosmosAdmin2] Ok, thanks! (Reply Privately)
Wednesday April 21, 2010 18:11 Helena Tomas
18:09
18:08
malgorzata siennicka:
@ Yaşar Ersoy - Thank you for your comment. There are indeed clay anchors at
Tiryns, too (as at many other EBA Aegean sites), but as far as I know, their function
is still very unclear. Does the paper you cite mentions also crescent shaped objects?
Wednesday April 21, 2010 18:09 malgorzata siennicka
[Comment From Janice CrowleyJanice Crowley: ]
Joanna, Many thanks for a stimulating paper. I did hope to see you at KOSMOS.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 18:08 Janice Crowley
18:08
[Comment From Georgia FloudaGeorgia Flouda: ]
Hi Vasili, I missed your presentation unfortunately...
Wednesday April 21, 2010 18:08 Georgia Flouda
18:07
18:06
[Comment From Richard FirthRichard Firth: ]
@malgorzata siennicka: thanks for your question. The crescent-shaped loom
weights that we have from Demercihuyuk do not include weights in the particular
range 500-600g, that you ask about. There are a number that are incised or have
rows of closely spaced dots, but there are also crescent-shaped weights without dots
or incisions.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 18:07 Richard Firth
[Comment From Marsia BealbyMarsia Bealby: ]
@Joanna: very interesting paper. Several important points about systemic
networking have been raised in it.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 18:06 Marsia Bealby
18:06
[Comment From Georgia FloudaGeorgia Flouda: ]
@Joanna: Thank you for the very exciting presentation!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 18:06 Georgia Flouda
18:06
[Comment From Georgia FloudaGeorgia Flouda: ]
@Joanna: Very exciting presentation!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 18:06 Georgia Flouda
18:06
[Comment From Robert LaffineurRobert Laffineur: ]
We are busy indeed, but please send your text and ppt directly to Marie-Louise.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 18:06 Robert Laffineur
18:06 KosmosAdmin2:
[Private Message to Helena Tomas] I think it might be a good idea to send it to Marie Louise.
She will have the final say, and we might have some extra time at some point.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 18:06 KosmosAdmin2
18:05
Vassilis Petrakis:
Congratulations on a very interesting synthesis on Mediterranean patterned textiles
and the Aegean connections! However, my connection suffers (I am stranded at the
moment). If it fails me, I shall try to get back in again later. Once more, as any of us
should, I must thank all the Kosmos team for this superb event. While offline,
however, I will be happy to receive and reply concerning my paper at
vpetrakisrm@yahoo.gr. Many thanks to Jorg Weilhartner for his presentation and
for all encouraging comments, mange tak to all!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 18:05 Vassilis Petrakis
18:03 Helena Tomas:
[Private Message to KosmosAdmin2] If it is too late, I do not want to insist. It really is not a
big deal if my paper cannot be presented. I simply felt obliged to send it since so many people
have done so. (Reply Privately)
Wednesday April 21, 2010 18:03 Helena Tomas
18:02
Annette Højen Sørensen:
Thaks to Carole for reading the paper by Smith on tapestries
Wednesday April 21, 2010 18:02 Annette Højen Sørensen
18:02 KosmosAdmin2:
[Private Message to Helena Tomas] I am told that sending papers at this point may be too
late, but please send it to Marie Louise, and she will decide. Best Jane
Wednesday April 21, 2010 18:02 KosmosAdmin2
18:00
Helena Tomas:
To whom do we need to send our papers and power point presentations? MarieLouise is probably too busy to check her e-mail regularly.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 18:00 Helena Tomas
17:59
17:59
[Comment From ashlarblocksashlarblocks: ]
Louise H. @Joanna: I understand the ashlar building at Maa-PK to be made of reused ashlar blocks, making it less grand than other ones. Another interesting feature
is that it is very different in plan from the more rectilinear houses at the site.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 17:59 ashlarblocks
[Comment From Robert LaffineurRobert Laffineur: ]
Thanks Annette. I have now been able to display the pictures imdeed
Wednesday April 21, 2010 17:59 Robert Laffineur
17:58
[Comment From Yaşar ErsoyYaşar Ersoy: ]
@ malgorzata siennicka, and Richard Firth: please see, Anadolu araştırmaları,
10.1986, for the paper by A. Erkanal on terracotta anchor shaped objects from EBA
Limantepe.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 17:58 Yaşar Ersoy
17:57
Annette Borrell:
Sorry Robert - you have had help fo the photos I now hear.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 17:57 Annette Borrell
17:57
[Comment From Georgia FloudaGeorgia Flouda: ]
Any chance of re-broadcasting the Thebes paper?
Wednesday April 21, 2010 17:57 Georgia Flouda
17:56
[Comment From ashlarblocksashlarblocks: ]
Louise H. @Joanna: very interesting paper. HST has a very exotic character both
with regard to the assortment of finds and architecture.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 17:56 ashlarblocks
17:55
Annette Borrell:
@Robert - if you copy the link for the photos I have put in my
Wednesday April 21, 2010 17:55 Annette Borrell
17:54
17:52
malgorzata siennicka:
@Richard Firth. Thank you for a great paper! The EBA crescent shaped objects
from Demircihüyük look really very similar to those from Tiryns (at least some of
them). They have various weights, as far as I could follow the presentation: between
100-200 g and 800-900 g. Are there also some of 500-600 g? Are all incised, as we
could see at the beginning of the presentation?
Wednesday April 21, 2010 17:54 malgorzata siennicka
Ida Demant:
@Richard - you are wellcome. well written. :-)
Wednesday April 21, 2010 17:52 Ida Demant
17:52
[Comment From Georg NightingaleGeorg Nightingale: ]
@ Smith: Are all beaters from Cyprus used for tapestry weaving? Were some used
to write in Cypro-Minoan script?
Wednesday April 21, 2010 17:52 Georg Nightingale
17:52
[Comment From ashlarblocksashlarblocks: ]
Louise: @Janice, I'm missing you too. I had 2 different flights from Melbourne, both
cancelled!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 17:52 ashlarblocks
17:46
Vassilis Petrakis:
Perfect!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 17:46 Vassilis Petrakis
17:46
Vassilis Petrakis:
I see. Got stuck in the e-mailed program. My apologies.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 17:46 Vassilis Petrakis
17:45
[Comment From Robert LaffineurRobert Laffineur: ]
There is still a chance that Carlos arrives in Copenhagen before the end of Kosmos
and that he can read his paper himself (on friday)
Wednesday April 21, 2010 17:45 Robert Laffineur
17:45
[Comment From Richard FirthRichard Firth: ]
Many thanks, Ida, for reading my paper.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 17:45 Richard Firth
17:45
[Comment From Yaşar ErsoyYaşar Ersoy: ]
@ Peter. Thank you again for your wonderful contribution!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 17:45 Yaşar Ersoy
17:45
[Comment From Richard FirthRichard Firth: ]
Many thanks,Ida, for making such a good job of reading my paper !!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 17:45 Richard Firth
17:45
[Comment From Janice CrowleyJanice Crowley: ]
Louise, I'm still in the USA. So sorry to miss you at KOSMOS.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 17:45 Janice Crowley
17:44
Annette Højen Sørensen:
Vassilis - the revised program might be found at
http://ctr.hum.ku.dk/conferences/programwednesday/
Wednesday April 21, 2010 17:44 Annette Højen Sørensen
17:42
pietro militello:
@Nancy. Hi, sorry for not answering before, but I had to solve this first approach to
the web conference. How long will you stay in Europe?
Wednesday April 21, 2010 17:42 pietro militello
17:42
Vassilis Petrakis:
Was it not going to be Carlos Varias' paper on the Argolid textile production?
Wednesday April 21, 2010 17:42 Vassilis Petrakis
17:41
Annette Højen Sørensen:
Thank you, Ida for reading the paper of Richard Firth
Wednesday April 21, 2010 17:41 Annette Højen Sørensen
17:39
17:37
[Comment From Peter PavukPeter Pavuk: ]
@ Yasar: They indeed seem to dissapear around LH II. If they are indeed related
with the horizontal loom (but some doubt it) then that would mean that the
technology simply gave its way to the more efficient vertical loom.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 17:39 Peter Pavuk
[Comment From ashlarblocksashlarblocks: ]
Louise: @Janice: are you in Australia?
Wednesday April 21, 2010 17:37 ashlarblocks
17:36
[Comment From Marsia BealbyMarsia Bealby: ]
Admin1 thank you for sharing the pictures with us.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 17:36 Marsia Bealby
17:36
17:36
[Comment From Yaşar ErsoyYaşar Ersoy: ]
@ Peter Pavuk: got it! thanks, but why did they (fine ones with pierced center)
disappear then at a certain period? or were they attested during the advanced stage of
LH III and EIA?
Wednesday April 21, 2010 17:36 Yaşar Ersoy
[Comment From Robert LaffineurRobert Laffineur: ]
I cannot access the pictures
Wednesday April 21, 2010 17:36 Robert Laffineur
17:36
[Comment From Julie HrubyJulie Hruby: ]
Yes, thanks for the photos - you have a really fantastic setup!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 17:36 Julie Hruby
17:36
[Comment From Janice CrowleyJanice Crowley: ]
Glad to see the photos of the Copenhagen "end". Keep up the good work for us all!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 17:36 Janice Crowley
17:32
[Comment From John YoungerJohn Younger: ]
Thanks for the photos! It makes it even more real!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 17:32 John Younger
17:32
[Comment From Peter PavukPeter Pavuk: ]
@ Yasar: Yes, these fine spools seem to be different from the chunky ones without a
perforation. It seems to be rather functional then chronological, I would say
Wednesday April 21, 2010 17:32 Peter Pavuk
17:32
Vassilis Petrakis:
@ Peter Pavuk: I look forward to meeting you as well Peter! I would like to second
Reinhard Jung's applause on the methodology of your paper. Excellent! See you
soon!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 17:32 Vassilis Petrakis
17:31
[Comment From ashlarblocksashlarblocks: ]
Louise Hitchcock: Great photos! Now I see how you are all able to chat!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 17:31 ashlarblocks
17:31
[Comment From Luca GirellaLuca Girella: ]
Congratulations Peter! your paper pointed out several important points!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 17:31 Luca Girella
17:30
[Comment From Peter PavukPeter Pavuk: ]
Thanks to Fritz!! :-)
Wednesday April 21, 2010 17:30 Peter Pavuk
17:30
[Comment From Oliver DickinsonOliver Dickinson: ]
Very interesting paper, Peter.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 17:30 Oliver Dickinson
17:30
[Comment From Yaşar ErsoyYaşar Ersoy: ]
@ Peter Pavuk: I noticed that all the spool-shaped loomweights you have referred to
are hollow or piercede at the center. Does this any chronological signifince? I am
asking this simply because we have also solid spools from even from EH period
down to EIA.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 17:30 Yaşar Ersoy
17:29
KosmosAdmin1:
Dear all - we now have some photos ready from the conference here in copenhagen
today Wednesday. Please view your colleagues at the following adress:
http://ctr.hum.ku.dk/conferences/kosmos/photoswed
Please let us know if you have some problems accessing the page.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 17:29 KosmosAdmin1
17:28
[Comment From Marsia BealbyMarsia Bealby: ]
great paper Peter
Wednesday April 21, 2010 17:28 Marsia Bealby
17:28
[Comment From Peter PavukPeter Pavuk: ]
@ Vassilis. Thanks for the reference. See you in Athens soon!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 17:28 Peter Pavuk
17:28
[Comment From Reinhard JungReinhard Jung: ]
Very good paper - methodologically sound and with good interpretations, Peter!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 17:28 Reinhard Jung
17:25
pietro militello:
great paper. thank you
Wednesday April 21, 2010 17:25 pietro militello
17:25
Annette Højen Sørensen:
Thank you very much Fritz for reading the paper of Peter Pavuk
Wednesday April 21, 2010 17:25 Annette Højen Sørensen
17:25
Kostas Paschalidis:
Thank you Peter!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 17:25 Kostas Paschalidis
17:22
Ida Demant:
@george - it shouldnt affect the yarn. When you have too much yarn collected on
the spindle, it doest spin very well, and you have to empty it. That happens before it
affects the spinning of yarn seriously...
Wednesday April 21, 2010 17:22 Ida Demant
17:21
17:13
Vassilis Petrakis:
@ Peter Pavuk: Great paper Peter! Congratulations! The slide on the flat, discoid
loomweight did not include Lemnos. You can cite Christos' paper on the recent
'Minoans in the S, E and C Aegean' of the Danish Institute. I think there is reference
on this type from Koukonisi. Unless this was not the type I thought it was (My
connection is not very good and image and sound does 'loop' a bit...)
Wednesday April 21, 2010 17:21 Vassilis Petrakis
[Comment From GuestGuest: ]
He saw your comment...;o)
Wednesday April 21, 2010 17:13 Guest
17:11
17:11
[Comment From Peter PavukPeter Pavuk: ]
Fritz is one slide behind! Can you tell him?
Wednesday April 21, 2010 17:11 Peter Pavuk
KosmosAdmin2:
[Private Message to Richard Firth] Glad to hear. Jane
Wednesday April 21, 2010 17:11 KosmosAdmin2
17:11 KosmosAdmin2:
[Private Message to Richard Firth] Is that the signal to the live stream? If so, it runs well here,
so try to re-tart your system. Mine also froze just a few minutes ago. I think live stream is
hard on the system. Best Jane
Wednesday April 21, 2010 17:11 KosmosAdmin2
17:10
Vassilis Petrakis:
@ Maurizio del Freo: Thank you! This is indeed very interesting!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 17:10 Vassilis Petrakis
17:09
emanuela alberti:
Iannis Fappas johnfappas@hotmail.com
Wednesday April 21, 2010 17:09 emanuela alberti
17:09
emanuela alberti:
Athina Papadaki athinapap@gmail.com
Wednesday April 21, 2010 17:09 emanuela alberti
17:08
[Comment From Georg NightingaleGeorg Nightingale: ]
While looking at the picture of a spindle with a lot of yarn collected on it I wondered
who this affects calculations of yarn strength and lenght based on the weight of the
spindle weight. Does the type of yarn change the more weigth is collected on the
spindle through winding up the spun yarn?
Wednesday April 21, 2010 17:08 Georg Nightingale
17:08
[Comment From Maurizio Del FreoMaurizio Del Freo: ]
@ Carole: thank you very much indeed for reading our (admittedly difficult) text !
Wednesday April 21, 2010 17:08 Maurizio Del Freo
17:08
[Comment From Annette Højen SørensenAnnette Højen Sørensen: ]
Thank you very much Ida for reading the paper on women and textiles in Troy
Wednesday April 21, 2010 17:08 Annette Højen Sørensen
17:08
[Comment From Maurizio Del FreoMaurizio Del Freo: ]
@ Vassilis: we haven't found any particular association between the Of and Oh
tablets. The only relevant thing is perhaps that they differ as to the way they record
the fractional qts (PA vs M).
Wednesday April 21, 2010 17:08 Maurizio Del Freo
17:07
emanuela alberti:
@Tobias. Yes, as you know the dating question in Thebes is quite complicated.
Please write me or to Athina Papadaki if you want more detail on this
memalberti@gmail.com
Wednesday April 21, 2010 17:07 emanuela alberti
17:05
Sophia Vakirtzi:
@ M.Guzowska et al. : Thank you for the very interesting paper. Since more time is
needed for the production of fine thread, I suppose the quantities of small/light
spindle whorls found in excavations would be enlightening as far as the scale of fine
thread production is concerned
Wednesday April 21, 2010 17:05 Sophia Vakirtzi
17:05
emanuela alberti:
@Cynthia Shelmerdine. Thank you very much! This is a good possibility, pointed
out by the review made by Iannis Fappas.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 17:05 emanuela alberti
17:04
malgorzata siennicka:
@Marta - thanks for a very interessting paper!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 17:04 malgorzata siennicka
17:03
pietro militello:
@martha and eva. wonderful paper
Wednesday April 21, 2010 17:03 pietro militello
17:02
Vassilis Petrakis:
@ Emanuela Alberti: Thank you for clarifying this. So, it is still possible to argue
that these contexts cannot be linked. The association of perfumery and textiles is
intriguing, as well. Congratulations for the clear outline of what certainly is a
complex project!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 17:02 Vassilis Petrakis
17:00
[Comment From Tobias MuehlenbruchTobias Muehlenbruch: ]
to Emanuela: Thank you very much. This means there is the destruction horizon
beneath your finds (although the dating at Thebes is complicated and has to be done
by pottery studies).
Wednesday April 21, 2010 17:00 Tobias Muehlenbruch
17:00
[Comment From GuestGuest: ]
I apologise for any delays in publishing comments. The system had a short black
out
Wednesday April 21, 2010 17:00 Guest
17:00
[Comment From Cynthia ShelmerdineCynthia Shelmerdine: ]
@emanuela alberti: Thank you so much for your talk. I am delighted to hear you
have the evidence for perfume associated with textile working in the 'Archive'!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 17:00 Cynthia Shelmerdine
17:00
[Comment From carole gilliscarole gillis: ]
:-), with my apologies to vssiios
Wednesday April 21, 2010 17:00 carole gillis
16:58
[Comment From Fr. RougemontFr. Rougemont: ]
the chat function does not work regularly from where I am; you can contact me at
francoise.rougemont@mae.u-paris10.fr
Wednesday April 21, 2010 16:58 Fr. Rougemont
16:58
16:58
[Comment From Fr. RougemontFr. Rougemont: ]
sorry, the chat functions only at some moments, making it difficult to follow
discussions and answering questions. You can contact me at:
francoise.rougemont@mae.u-paris10.fr
Wednesday April 21, 2010 16:58 Fr. Rougemont
[Comment From Georgia FloudaGeorgia Flouda: ]
Congratulations to Marie-Louise, now we can all attend from all over the world!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 16:58 Georgia Flouda
16:58
[Comment From Marie-Louise NoschMarie-Louise Nosch: ]
Thank you to Carole for reading the presentation!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 16:58 Marie-Louise Nosch
16:57
emanuela alberti:
Our warmest thanks to Carole Gillis for reading the text. We know it was not an
easy task! Thank you so much, Carole!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 16:57 emanuela alberti
16:56
emanuela alberti:
@Tobias. Obviously, there is a stratigraphy too! The spindle-whorls come from the
LHIIIC layers of the excavations.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 16:56 emanuela alberti
16:54
emanuela alberti:
@Vassilis. The Of tablets were found in the so-called "Archive" (SoteriouDougekou). In the publication (Spyropoulos-Chadwick 1975) Spyropoulos
suggested the identification of the two rooms with a textile workshop, on the basis
of various findings. The review of the evidence made by Iannis Fappas seems to
confirm the fact (many small spindle-whorls). It was also proposed th identification
with a clearing house (Shelmerdine 1997). I think both are probable. For Oh
(Pelopidou), we are waiting the full publication of the contexts.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 16:54 emanuela alberti
16:47
emanuela alberti:
@Pietro: loomweights are mostly spool-shaped. Weight varies, but does not exceed
generally the 100 g...
Wednesday April 21, 2010 16:47 emanuela alberti
16:46
malgorzata siennicka:
Emanuela mou, brava!!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 16:46 malgorzata siennicka
16:46
16:45
Vassilis Petrakis:
@ Maurizio del Freo and Francoise Rougemont: Have you found any particular
association between the Of and Oh records or their relevant contexts? I apologise if I
missed a relevant comment in your paper.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 16:46 Vassilis Petrakis
pietro militello:
maria (e)manuela right. I had to wait for the whole presentation. what shape and
weight??
Wednesday April 21, 2010 16:45 pietro militello
16:42
emanuela alberti:
@Pietro: I think you saw the textile summary!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 16:42 emanuela alberti
16:42
emanuela alberti:
Data from the Pelopidou excavations are courtesy of Athina Papadaki, who is
studying the excavation small finds. She gave me the chronology. I think it is based
on the associated pottery (which has been published by Eleni Andrikou)
Wednesday April 21, 2010 16:42 emanuela alberti
16:41
[Comment From Marta GuzowskaMarta Guzowska: ]
(ok, it works :-) Unfortunately I will not be able to follow the conference online. If
you have any questions of comments to our paper, please direct them to me via
email (martaguzowska@yahoo.com). Thanks! Good luck!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 16:41 Marta Guzowska
16:41
emanuela alberti:
sorry, there was an inconvinience...
Wednesday April 21, 2010 16:41 emanuela alberti
16:40
emanuela alberti:
Data on Pelopidou material have been
Wednesday April 21, 2010 16:40 emanuela alberti
16:40
16:38
emanuela alberti:
@Kostas. Presently, the only context for which we can hypotesize the use of
perfumed oil in textile activity is the "Archive" (Soteriou-Dougekou, reviewed by
Iannis Fappas and the only context fully published we have). There, it seems quite
probable. For other plots, we have still to finish the study...
Wednesday April 21, 2010 16:40 emanuela alberti
[Comment From Tobias MuehlenbruchTobias Muehlenbruch: ]
to Maria Emanuela Alberti: I would be interested in the finds from LH III C at
Pelopidou Street. Are they dated by typology, pottery, or stratigraphy?
Wednesday April 21, 2010 16:38 Tobias Muehlenbruch
16:38
[Comment From Marta GuzowskaMarta Guzowska: ]
Hello everybody! The transmission is wonderful, great job, Marie-Louise and team!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 16:38 Marta Guzowska
16:38
[Comment From Marta GuzowskaMarta Guzowska: ]
Hello everybody! The transmission works very well, great job!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 16:38 Marta Guzowska
16:37
Kostas Paschalidis:
Sheltering different activities under the same roof in Thebes, could we assume
related productions, such as textiles and perfumes, or in other words, 'perfumed' fine
cloths?
Wednesday April 21, 2010 16:37 Kostas Paschalidis
16:34
pietro militello:
a wonderful and long ranging project, congratulations. what about weaving, i.e.
loom-weights?
Wednesday April 21, 2010 16:34 pietro militello
16:34
[Comment From Marsia BealbyMarsia Bealby: ]
Vassili, congratulations. I hope I get to meet you in person one day.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 16:34 Marsia Bealby
16:34
[Comment From Marylène Laffineur-CrépinMarylène Laffineur-Crépin: ]
Oui, bien sûr, Céline était devant son écran, mais j'ignore si Clément et Valentine
auront tout saisi...
Wednesday April 21, 2010 16:34 Marylène Laffineur-Crépin
16:34
[Comment From Jacke PhillipsJacke Phillips: ]
Don't know what I did, but it is now working.... Thanks for your comments.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 16:34 Jacke Phillips
16:34
[Comment From Marie-Louise NoschMarie-Louise Nosch: ]
Maria Emanuela Alberti and Francoise Rougemont are online and can answer
questions and receive comments
Wednesday April 21, 2010 16:34 Marie-Louise Nosch
16:34
malgorzata siennicka:
Marie-Louise! Thanks so much for this exciting web-event! It is really amazing to
see the presentations and make comments on-line! Bravo!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 16:34 malgorzata siennicka
16:31
malgorzata siennicka:
@Vassilis Petrakis: Great paper! Congratulations!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 16:31 malgorzata siennicka
16:30
[Comment From Lena PapazoglouLena Papazoglou: ]
Congratulations Vassilis for the original work
Wednesday April 21, 2010 16:30 Lena Papazoglou
16:28
Vassilis Petrakis:
Eucharisto Kosta! I had hoped to see you, Lena and Eleni in Copenhagen. Alas, it
was not meant to be...
Wednesday April 21, 2010 16:28 Vassilis Petrakis
16:28
malgorzata siennicka:
@ Judith&Peter - The possible identification of crescent shaped objects as loom
weights at Tiryns is also because they were sometimes found in the same context as
other potential loom weights (large conus) or in a group (3 pieces). I am open on
other interpretations, though!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 16:28 malgorzata siennicka
16:25
Vassilis Petrakis:
Thank you for your kind comments. I hope I have done justice to your meticulous
study of the LANA ideogram in your recent monograph on the unclassified Od
tablets.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 16:25 Vassilis Petrakis
16:23
malgorzata siennicka:
Euxaristo, Kosta mou, kai grazie Emanuela!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 16:23 malgorzata siennicka
16:23
[Comment From Marie-Louise NoschMarie-Louise Nosch: ]
Thank you for a great paper, Vassilis, and thank you for including textile idegram
*164 which is rarely discussed
Wednesday April 21, 2010 16:23 Marie-Louise Nosch
16:23
[Comment From Vassilis PetrakisVassilis Petrakis: ]
Thank you, as well, for presenting my paper! I am looking forward to feedback from
you.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 16:23 Vassilis Petrakis
16:21
Kostas Paschalidis:
Bravo Malgosia and Vassili!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 16:21 Kostas Paschalidis
16:19
emanuela alberti:
Brava, Malgosia,
Wednesday April 21, 2010 16:19 emanuela alberti
16:19
[Comment From Sebastian HeathSebastian Heath: ]
Congratulations on putting this together so quickly!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 16:19 Sebastian Heath
16:17
[Comment From Judith WeingartenJudith Weingarten: ]
Almost anything that hangs could probably work (like Jean-Claude's pebbles) as
loom weights :-) but some found together in the same rooms at Karahoyuk were
stamped by different seals, in some cases by 2 or 3 different seals. Personalized
loom-weights OK, but personalizing each and every weight???
Wednesday April 21, 2010 16:17 Judith Weingarten
16:17
malgorzata siennicka:
Lieber Tobias! Thank you very much for presenting my paper! I am happy that a
Tiryns specialist could do it! I won’t be in Nürnberg, unfortunately.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 16:17 malgorzata siennicka
16:17 KosmosAdmin2:
[Private Message to Jacke Phillips] It sounds like it should be working.We are all on Macs
here, so that should not be an issue. I hope that a re-start or a different computer might help.
The tech peole here says that everything should be in order.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 16:17 KosmosAdmin2
16:15 Jacke Phillips:
[Private Message to KosmosAdmin2] I'm on the University of Cambridge system, and the
computer is a Mac. I'll try for the PCs here, but the system should be strong enough - the
computers are all less than a year old! Jacke (Reply Privately)
Wednesday April 21, 2010 16:15 Jacke Phillips
16:15
[Comment From Peter PavukPeter Pavuk: ]
Hi, Gosza. I think it still very interesting that you have these crescent objects at
Tiryns and at such an early date! Whether they are loom-weights or not, but Judith
made indeed some good arguments against their identification as such.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 16:15 Peter Pavuk
16:14
[Comment From malgorzata siennickamalgorzata siennicka: ]
@ Judith Weingarten – I will definitely try to find your paper to learn more about
the objects you have discussed. In fact, I have noticed three very thin dashes on one
of our ‘bananas’ , but I am not sure if they were intentionally made or only
accidental incisions.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 16:14 malgorzata siennicka
16:14
Anne Chapin:
To Jacke Phillips - an ethernet cord works better for me than the wireless connection
- it's faster.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 16:14 Anne Chapin
16:13
[Comment From Tobias MuehlenbruchTobias Muehlenbruch: ]
Malgorzata, you have got very interesting results! Great! I hope to see you in May at
Nuremberg?
Wednesday April 21, 2010 16:13 Tobias Muehlenbruch
16:13
[Comment From malgorzata siennickamalgorzata siennicka: ]
@ pietro militello: Thank you for this information. I would like to learn more about
this find!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 16:13 malgorzata siennicka
16:13
[Comment From Marie-Louise NoschMarie-Louise Nosch: ]
Our collaborator Agnete Wisti Lassen has made weaving tests with the crescent
shaped loom weights and they worked well.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 16:13 Marie-Louise Nosch
16:13 KosmosAdmin2:
[Private Message to Jacke Phillips] Dear Jacke. Sound and image are fine from here. It might
be that the simoltaneous streaming and sound is too much for your local system. Do you
know how strong your connection is? 2 mbit is required. Tey to shut down your browser and
re-open it. Best Jane
Wednesday April 21, 2010 16:13 KosmosAdmin2
16:12
Annette Pohlke:
@Jacke Does it show a circling wheel then? In the worst case it could be a
bandwidth problem. "Worst case" because getting more bandwidth isn't something
you can easily do. If you are having other downloads in the background you could
try stopping them. Or can you rule out a bandwidth problem?
Wednesday April 21, 2010 16:12 Annette Pohlke
16:11
Sophia Vakirtzi:
@malgorzata siennicka : thank you
Wednesday April 21, 2010 16:11 Sophia Vakirtzi
16:09
[Comment From Jacke PhillipsJacke Phillips: ]
I've just got to this, and cannot get the live broadcast for more than 30 seconds
before it freezes and the sound is cut off. What am I doing wrong?
Wednesday April 21, 2010 16:09 Jacke Phillips
16:09
[Comment From malgorzata siennickamalgorzata siennicka: ]
@ Sophia Vakirtzi: So far only a couple of perforated sherds were identified at
Tiryns, but there are possibly many others. I need to go through many boxes of EH
sherds and small finds to find more. Those identified so far were not found in
concentrations, as far as we can understand from the excavation documentation.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 16:09 malgorzata siennicka
16:09
[Comment From Vassilis PetrakisVassilis Petrakis: ]
Yes, unfortunately I pressed 'send' a second before Jorg began to read. It took a few
seconds for the message to appear.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 16:09 Vassilis Petrakis
16:08
16:08
[Comment From Judith WeingartenJudith Weingarten: ]
@Malgorzata, the patterns of marks (slashes, dots) and seal impressions on those
crescents from karahoyuk virtually preclude their use as loom-weights. I know my
article is hard to find but it really describes the situation in detail; also Gillian's
contribution.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 16:08 Judith Weingarten
[Comment From Julie HrubyJulie Hruby: ]
Thank you.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 16:08 Julie Hruby
16:08
[Comment From Fr. RougemontFr. Rougemont: ]
it is set to 100%, just as the general sound indicator of my computer. Still I need to
put my hear very near to hear something...
Wednesday April 21, 2010 16:08 Fr. Rougemont
16:06
[Comment From malgorzata siennickamalgorzata siennicka: ]
@ Julie Hruby – There are no real wear patterns of use of the cylinders. Actually, on
none of the objects (loom weights) such patterns were observed, in a exception of
the large conus, where around the perforation traces of use can be seen.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 16:06 malgorzata siennicka
16:06
[Comment From malgorzata siennickamalgorzata siennicka: ]
Thank you for your comment, Judith Weingarten. I am aware of various
interpretations of the crescent-shaped objects from Anatolia. The tests have
demonstrated, however, they could well work as loom weights. I think it is still an
open question. At Tiryns there is no direct evidence that they were used as loom
weights, and we have only several examples of them as far.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 16:06 malgorzata siennicka
16:06
[Comment From carole gilliscarole gillis: ]
'
Wednesday April 21, 2010 16:06 carole gillis
16:05
[Comment From Marie-Louise NoschMarie-Louise Nosch: ]
Vassilis Petrakis is online and can answer your questions and receive your
comments here!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 16:05 Marie-Louise Nosch
16:05
[Comment From Peter PavukPeter Pavuk: ]
I think, we shall hear more about the crescent "heavy bananas" later on. There is a
paper on Demircihuyuk scheduled, if I am not wrong.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 16:05 Peter Pavuk
16:05
[Comment From Vassilis PetrakisVassilis Petrakis: ]
And, of course, Jorg Weilhartner!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 16:05 Vassilis Petrakis
16:05
[Comment From Marie-Louise NoschMarie-Louise Nosch: ]
Dear Vassilis, as you can see and hear, ir is Jörg who reads you paper now since I
had to sort out some logistics this morning.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 16:05 Marie-Louise Nosch
16:04
Jane Johnsen:
To those who still have a hard time hearing the speaker, please look at the very
bottom right hand side of the window showing the slides. Right next to the
microphone symbol, you will find a 'soundslider'. Please make sure that it is set to a
100%
Wednesday April 21, 2010 16:04 Jane Johnsen
16:00
[Comment From Vassilis PetrakisVassilis Petrakis: ]
Finally, I am in! A big 'thank you' to Marie-Louise Nosch again for offering to read
my paper!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 16:00 Vassilis Petrakis
16:00
pietro militello:
Crescent shaped, but not of the same shape, came also from neolithic Nerokourou. I
wonder also if they were for cloth production
Wednesday April 21, 2010 16:00 pietro militello
15:59
Sophia Vakirtzi:
Congratulations for your paper Mrs. Siennicka. Were perforated sherds found in
concentrations or scattered ?
Wednesday April 21, 2010 15:59 Sophia Vakirtzi
15:58
[Comment From Julie HrubyJulie Hruby: ]
Malgorzata, are there any characteristic wear patterns on the cylindrical objects that
would tell us how they were tied in?
Wednesday April 21, 2010 15:58 Julie Hruby
15:58
[Comment From Marie-Louise NoschMarie-Louise Nosch: ]
Bonjour, francoise!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 15:58 Marie-Louise Nosch
15:58
15:58
[Comment From Judith WeingartenJudith Weingarten: ]
Regarding crescent 'loom-weights', similar objects are found all over many
Anatolian MBA sites (though beginning earlier). They are very unlikely to be loomweights and unlikely to have been involved in cloth production. I wrote about those
from Karahoyuk in Oriens Antiquus 29 (1990) 63-95, and asked Gilian Vogelsang
to study them, too (97-113). She agreed that they were not loom-weights.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 15:58 Judith Weingarten
[Comment From Marie-Louise NoschMarie-Louise Nosch: ]
You are welcome to ask questions here to Malgozata!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 15:58 Marie-Louise Nosch
15:58
[Comment From Marie-Louise NoschMarie-Louise Nosch: ]
Thank you to Tobias Mühlenbruch for reading Malgorzata Siennicka's paper for
her!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 15:58 Marie-Louise Nosch
15:58 KosmosAdmin2:
[Private Message to Fr. Rougemont] The tech people suggest headphones, unless you can
enhance the volume further. Best Jane
Wednesday April 21, 2010 15:58 KosmosAdmin2
15:56
[Comment From Fr. RougemontFr. Rougemont: ]
From here the sound is still hardly audible...
Wednesday April 21, 2010 15:56 Fr. Rougemont
15:55
[Comment From Nathan HarperNathan Harper: ]
Greetings from Las Vegas. Thank you to the organizers for their hard work and
willingness to make this available to everyone.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 15:55 Nathan Harper
15:55
[Comment From Marie-Louise NoschMarie-Louise Nosch: ]
Ok, Margarita! Let's hope that Jo and Eva will return to Copenhagen very soon!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 15:55 Marie-Louise Nosch
15:55
[Comment From malgorzata siennickamalgorzata siennicka: ]
I am online. I thank very much Tobias Mühlenbruch for presenting my paper!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 15:55 malgorzata siennicka
15:50
[Comment From Marie-Louise NoschMarie-Louise Nosch: ]
Malgorzata, are you on-line with us? can you answer questions about your paper?
Wednesday April 21, 2010 15:50 Marie-Louise Nosch
15:50
Margarita Gleba:
Marie-Louise - I do not know when you scheduled my paper but if Jo makes it back
I would rather she read it out instead of my voice-over.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 15:50 Margarita Gleba
15:50
[Comment From Robert LaffineurRobert Laffineur: ]
Isabelle, peux-tu mettre une annonce et un lien vers Kosmos virtuel sur le site du
Departement?
Wednesday April 21, 2010 15:50 Robert Laffineur
15:49
15:43
Nancy Thomas:
To Anne,s question: Roger and I arrived in Germany 2 weeks ago, rented a car and
began driving around old churches and military/naval museums. We were in Kiel
when Marie-Louise asked if we could pick up Robert, who was in Hamburg without
a way to continue by train to Copenhagen. So of course we did. Other people are
trickling in, even today as train travel has opened up a bit. M-L and Robert have
done a stupendous job of converting this apparent disaster into an experience with
wonderful potential. Still, as Robert says, the most wonderful aspect of a conference
is seeing and talking with each other. Really miss seeing you and all the people I had
hoped to meet here. You are here in spirit!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 15:49 Nancy Thomas
[Comment From Marie-Louise NoschMarie-Louise Nosch: ]
May I add that I present research by the entire CTR: Linda, Anne, Eva, Jo, Marta,
Ida and all our great collaborators!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 15:43 Marie-Louise Nosch
15:42
[Comment From anna lucia dagataanna lucia dagata: ]
Thank you, Marie Louise and Robert. This is a great opportunity for all us.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 15:42 anna lucia dagata
15:41
[Comment From Marie-Louise NoschMarie-Louise Nosch: ]
Dear Georg, I would like to re-direct your question to Ida Demant who is expert in
Iron Age textile and wool and shearing
Wednesday April 21, 2010 15:41 Marie-Louise Nosch
15:40
[Comment From Cynthia ShelmerdineCynthia Shelmerdine: ]
Thank you, Marie-Louise. Your excellent paper shows that the Linear B tablets
never give the complete picture, but we need the archaeology too. At least the pylos
tablets do mention a type of cloth, ideogram *146, that is locally produced and sent
to the center.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 15:40 Cynthia Shelmerdine
15:40
Kostas Paschalidis:
All current knowledge on this topic in one paper of 20'! Bravo!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 15:40 Kostas Paschalidis
15:39
[Comment From ashlarblocksashlarblocks: ]
Big applause!!!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 15:39 ashlarblocks
15:38
[Comment From Robert LaffineurRobert Laffineur: ]
Bravo Marie-Louise!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 15:38 Robert Laffineur
15:38
Alessandro Greco:
Congratulations Marie
Wednesday April 21, 2010 15:38 Alessandro Greco
15:38
[Comment From Brendan BurkeBrendan Burke: ]
great paper!!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 15:38 Brendan Burke
15:38
Sophia Vakirtzi:
Thank you, Professor Nosch !
Wednesday April 21, 2010 15:38 Sophia Vakirtzi
15:38
15:37
[Comment From Georg NightingaleGeorg Nightingale: ]
Marie-Louise, does it make a difference in preparation for spinning if you use wool
sheered from sheep or plucked/combed from sheep? Which method of "harvesting"
wool in the LBA do think was used?
Wednesday April 21, 2010 15:38 Georg Nightingale
Fritz:
Congratulations, Marie-Louise!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 15:37 Fritz
15:37
Jane Johnsen:
Please post any questions you may have to Marie Louises presentation. She will
respond afterwards!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 15:37 Jane Johnsen
15:37
pietro militello:
Marie Louise bravissima!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 15:37 pietro
militello
15:32
Annette Pohlke:
Great presentation. I like how it raises awareness of the day to day realities of
textile production and thus of everyday life.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 15:32 Annette Pohlke
15:27
Jean-Robert Laffineur:
Avec plaisir.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 15:27 Jean-Robert
Laffineur
15:26 Robert Laffineur:
[Private Message to KosmosAdmin2] Thanks Robert (Reply Privately)
Wednesday April 21, 2010 15:26 Robert Laffineur
15:24 KosmosAdmin2:
[Private Message to Robert Laffineur] Hello mr. Laffineur. I have given you pannellist rights
so that you can chat directly without moderation. Best Jane
Wednesday April 21, 2010 15:24 KosmosAdmin2
15:23
[Comment From Robert LaffineurRobert Laffineur: ]
Et merci a Natou pour l,ajout au site ULg
Wednesday April 21, 2010 15:23 Robert Laffineur
15:23 KosmosAdmin2:
[Private Message to pietro militello] Ok understood. I hope things are now ok. Please let me
know if I can help . Best Jane
Wednesday April 21, 2010 15:23 KosmosAdmin2
15:21 pietro militello:
[Private Message to KosmosAdmin2] thank you. My connection collapsed and I had to
restart. I appeared as guest, Pietro (Reply Privately)
Wednesday April 21, 2010 15:21 pietro militello
15:19 KosmosAdmin2:
[Private Message to pietro militello] You should not have to log in every time. I have given
you pre-approval, which means that you can just chat directly without moderation. This
should even be the case if you have logged out and log back in. Best Jane
Wednesday April 21, 2010 15:19 KosmosAdmin2
15:17 Jean-Robert Laffineur:
[Private Message to KosmosAdmin2] Thank You :) (Reply Privately)
Wednesday April 21, 2010 15:17 Jean-Robert Laffineur
15:13
[Comment From carole gilliscarole gillis: ]
hello, Jean-Claude. Is there any evidence of all for linen sails? I thougt they were all
wool.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 15:13 carole gillis
15:13
pietro militello:
sorry guest was me I did not know I have to log in every time
Wednesday April 21, 2010 15:13 pietro militello
15:13
[Comment From Marsia BealbyMarsia Bealby: ]
The sound now is very good. Thank you.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 15:13 Marsia Bealby
15:13
[Comment From Brendan BurkeBrendan Burke: ]
This is great. And a great presentation to start.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 15:13 Brendan Burke
15:13
emanuela alberti:
Yes, the sound has improved a lot! Thanks! And this idea on pebbles is interesting!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 15:13 emanuela alberti
15:12
Guest:
@Poursat Thank you for your iteresting paper. Is it 110 grams too light for rope or
sails? The cultual explanation sounds better to me
Wednesday April 21, 2010 15:12 Guest
15:12
[Comment From Eva WachaEva Wacha: ]
The sound is much better, also without headphones and also when you show the
speaker. Thank you very much from Heidelberg!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 15:12 Eva Wacha
15:12
Annette Borrell:
Hello Malgorzata - welcome to the conference!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 15:12 Annette Borrell
15:12
Robert Laffimeur:
Thank you to Nancy Thomas for reading Poursat's paper!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 15:12 Robert Laffimeur
15:10
Annette Pohlke:
@Jane: Sound is fine for me. But I use the full volume of my speakers. Quality is
good, no echo or feedback or static.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 15:10 Annette Pohlke
15:10
15:10
[Comment From Julie HrubyJulie
Hruby: ]
The sound is coming through clearly much better - thanks!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 15:10 Julie Hruby
Kostas Paschalidis:
The sound is better, thank you. It could though be increased, like it was during
Marie Louise's lecture! You are doing a great job anyway!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 15:10 Kostas Paschalidis
15:10
[Comment From Judith
WeingartenJudith Weingarten: ]
Yes, sound is much better now. thanks.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 15:10 Judith
Weingarten
15:10
[Comment From malgorzata siennickamalgorzata siennicka: ]
Hello to Copenhagen from Warsaw!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 15:10 malgorzata siennicka
15:10 KosmosAdmin2:
[Private Message to Jean-Robert Laffineur] ok. Sorry for the mix up. Hoevever you are
welcome to sty on chat with producer rights...as long as you do not push any unknown
buttons....;o) Jane
Wednesday April 21, 2010 15:10 KosmosAdmin2
15:09
Robert Laffimeur:
Marylene, Celine a t elle ete prevenue ? Sorry pour les accents, je tape sur un
clavier qwerty!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 15:09 Robert Laffimeur
15:09
Jean-Robert Laffineur:
[Private Message to KosmosAdmin2] I am not Robert, I am
his son, in Liege. (Reply Privately)
Wednesday April 21, 2010 15:09 Jean-Robert Laffineur
15:08
Jane Johnsen:
The sound problem should now have been solved. Please let us know if things have
improved.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 15:08 Jane Johnsen
15:07
Robert Laffimeur:
Merci Marylene, Isabelle, Caroline,
Jean-Robert!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 15:07 Robert
Laffimeur
15:05
Marie-Louise Nosch:
Jean-Claude Poursat, are you watchin your paper now? Yours ML
Wednesday April 21, 2010 15:05 Marie-Louise Nosch
15:03
[Comment From John YoungerJohn Younger: ]
This is great! Many thanks, Marie-Louise & Robert!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 15:03 John Younger
15:03
[Comment From Caroline HubyCaroline Huby: ]
@ R. Laffineur: Congratulations and greetings from Liège!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 15:03 Caroline Huby
15:02 KosmosAdmin2:
[Private Message to Jean-Robert Laffin...] Robert. I have given you producer rights, so you
can write whenever you want, directly to the chat.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 15:02 KosmosAdmin2
15:02
pietro militello:
Congratulations Robert. Thank you
Wednesday April 21, 2010 15:02 pietro militello
15:01
Jean-Robert Laffineur:
Excellente intervention, Robert!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 15:01 Jean-Robert Laffineur
15:01
[Comment From Yaşar ErsoyYaşar Ersoy: ]
Greetings from Turkey. It indeed works fine. Thank you all for your great help who
have involved with this mission.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 15:01 Yaşar Ersoy
15:01
Margarita Gleba:
Sound is better now, so it may be the location of microphone but it still echoes when
camera is on
Wednesday April 21, 2010 15:01 Margarita Gleba
15:00
Isabelle Jeanmart:
C'est magique. Merci à toute l'équipe qui a rendu toute ceci possible. Bravo !
Wednesday April 21, 2010 15:00 Isabelle Jeanmart
15:00
[Comment From Jean-Robert LaffineurJean-Robert Laffineur: ]
Excellente intervention, Robert!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 15:00 Jean-Robert Laffineur
15:00
[Comment From ashlarblocksashlarblocks: ]
Louise Hitchcock: big applause!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 15:00 ashlarblocks
14:59
[Comment From Sander BrabanderSander Brabander: ]
I'm recording the rest so I can view it later, but up to know it has been looking good
(and interesting of course!)
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:59 Sander Brabander
14:59
[Comment From Judith WeingartenJudith Weingarten: ]
I'm not complaining. This is just too exciting.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:59 Judith Weingarten
14:59 KosmosAdmin2:
[Private Message to Marie-Louise Nosch] Cynthia har svaret. Hun sender sin præsentation
senere idag.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:59 KosmosAdmin2
14:58
Angelos Papadopoulos:
@Sophia Vakirtzi: Se euxaristw Sophia. 8a ta poume aurio apo konta loipon!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:58 Angelos Papadopoulos
14:58
Annette Borrell:
Dear everybody. Wednesday's conference programme is now put on the same
webpage as the livestream you are viewing. It is located in the 'right box' in the right
hand side of the page.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:58 Annette Borrell
14:56 Cynthia Shelmerdine:
[Private Message to KosmosAdmin2] THANK YOU! Will do (Reply Privately)
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:56 Cynthia Shelmerdine
14:55 KosmosAdmin2:
[Private Message to Cynthia Shelmerdine] Cynthia I have just talked to Marie Louise. She
says that you can send your presentation later today. Best Jane
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:55 KosmosAdmin2
14:55
Sophia Vakirtzi:
@Angelos Papadopoulos : Angele kalispera, exoume to Ok avrio na mazeutoume
sti Tholou. Tha epikoinonisei kai o Andreas mazi sou.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:55 Sophia Vakirtzi
14:54 KosmosAdmin2:
[Private Message to Marie-Louise Nosch] Hej Marie Luise. Jeg har lige et spm. fra Cynthia
Shelmerdine. Jeg har ikke posted det, vil du lige se på det på min skærm
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:54 KosmosAdmin2
14:54
Helena Tomas:
Marie-Louise, should we continue sending the papers (I still have not sent mine), or
you already have too many?
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:54 Helena Tomas
14:53
[Comment From Marsia BealbyMarsia Bealby: ]
Well done. Excellent video-conference. Headphones work for me. I will get back
with questions. Marsia
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:53 Marsia Bealby
14:52
[Comment From ashlarblocksashlarblocks: ]
Louise: @Judith: The sound was good in Marie-Louise's talk, so it might improve
later.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:52 ashlarblocks
14:51
Marie-Louise Nosch:
Thank you to Thessaloniki!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:51 Marie-Louise Nosch
14:51
Marie-Louise Nosch:
We had to modify the entire programme according to the ppt we received. Thank
you to all those who have sent their presentations!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:51 Marie-Louise Nosch
14:50
14:49
[Comment From Konstantinos
GalanakisKonstantinos Galanakis: ]
Greetings from Thessaloniki and good luck to
everybody in the conference.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:50 Konstantinos
Galanakis
pietro militello:
Marie Louise, but is the programme of today exactly the original monday
programme?
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:49 pietro militello
14:49
[Comment From Judith WeingartenJudith Weingarten: ]
Alas, I don't have headphones. I'll try to get some by tomorrow.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:49 Judith Weingarten
14:49
emanuela alberti:
Many thanks!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:49 emanuela alberti
14:47
14:45
Marie-Louise Nosch:
The Thursday programme is posted later today on the CTR web site! Thursday
lectures will start at 12.00 here in Copenhagen. That is 11.00 in London and 13.00 in
Greece. We will continue until late evening
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:47 Marie-Louise Nosch
[Comment From ashlarblocksashlarblocks: ]
Louise: Judith: are you using headphones?
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:45 ashlarblocks
14:45 KosmosAdmin2:
[Private Message to Marie-Louise Nosch] Hej Marie Louise. Der er et spørgsmål ang
program fra Emanuela Alberti i chatten.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:45 KosmosAdmin2
14:44
Marie-Louise Nosch:
Any questions or comments to Robert Laffineur?
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:44 Marie-Louise Nosch
14:44
14:44
emanuela alberti:
May I ask to organizers if they have already a program scheduled for next days? I
know that the working conditions are quite difficult, but it would be very useful to
have more or less an idea of the sequence of the presentations...Many thanks
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:44 emanuela alberti
[Comment From Judith WeingartenJudith Weingarten: ]
Yes, it's up to max on both the display and on my laptop.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:44 Judith Weingarten
14:43
[Comment From ashlarblocksashlarblocks: ]
Louise Hitchcock: Did you also turn up the volume on the transmission display?
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:43 ashlarblocks
14:41
pietro militello:
Unfortunately problems remain the same
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:41 pietro militello
14:41
[Comment From ashlarblocksashlarblocks: ]
The sound is better if you use headphones or speakers
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:41 ashlarblocks
14:40
Guest:
Try using head phones or speakers - that worked for me.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:40 Guest
14:40
[Comment From Isabelle JeanmartIsabelle Jeanmart: ]
Prgpgramme of the day : http://ctr.hum.ku.dk/conferences/programwednesday/
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:40 Isabelle Jeanmart
14:40
pietro militello:
Sorry, what about the sound problems? Are you still working on them? I heard
Marie Louise by far better than Robert.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:40 pietro militello
14:39
Annette Borrell:
@Ute - thank you
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:39 Annette
Borrell
14:39
emanuela alberti:
Ciao, Luca!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:39 emanuela alberti
14:38
Ida Demant:
thanks..
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:38 Ida Demant
14:38
Ute Günkel-Maschek:
http://ctr.hum.ku.dk/conferences/programwednesday/
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:38 Ute Günkel-Maschek
14:38
Ida Demant:
where can we see the programme?
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:38 Ida Demant
14:38
[Comment From judith weingartenjudith weingarten: ]
I have the same problem as Emanuela. On my PC, with sound at 100%, it's still too
soft.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:38 judith weingarten
14:37
Jane Johnsen:
Hej Ida. Velkommen til!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:37 Jane Johnsen
14:37
[Comment From Ida DemantIda Demant: ]
where can we see the programme?
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:37 Ida Demant
14:37
[Comment From Luca GirellaLuca Girella: ]
Ciao Emanuela!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:37 Luca Girella
14:36
Jane Johnsen:
Thank you Emanuela. Welcome to the conference. Glad that sound is a bit better
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:36 Jane Johnsen
14:36
Anne Chapin:
Hi Nancy, but you got to Copenhagen! How?
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:36 Anne Chapin
14:35
emanuela alberti:
Sorry the "Guest" was me. Yes, I did everyhting I could, now is a little better!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:35 emanuela alberti
14:35
Nancy Thomas:
Hey Anne. Wish you were here!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:35 Nancy Thomas
14:32
Annette Borrell:
Thank you Cynthia:)
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:32 Annette Borrell
14:32
[Comment From Cynthia ShelmerdineCynthia Shelmerdine: ]
Congratulations to Copenhagen, and thank you for the livestream!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:32 Cynthia Shelmerdine
14:31
Annette Pohlke:
Thank you!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:31 Annette Pohlke
14:28
Jane Johnsen:
I see your comments
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:28 Jane Johnsen
14:27
[Comment From Alex BuhlAlex Buhl: ]
@Guest, are you on a PC? There may be a little sign at the bottom corner where
you can turn up the volume...
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:27 Alex Buhl
14:27
Annette Pohlke:
Does anyone get my messages? I can't see my
own messages on the screen.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:27 Annette Pohlke
14:27
[Comment From Annette PohlkeAnnette Pohlke: ]
Hi, evryone. It took me a while that this chat doesn't work on my Mac. :(
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:27 Annette Pohlke
14:26
Jane Johnsen:
Do you have a pair of headphones by you?
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:26 Jane Johnsen
14:26
Helena Tomas:
The sound is much better if earphones are used. Just plug them into your computer
and you should be able to hear everything.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:26 Helena Tomas
14:26
Guest:
I am sorry, I can not hear anything...I think
my computer is not really competitive!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:26 Guest
14:26
Marie-Louise Nosch:
You are all most welcome to aks questions about Robert Laffineur's lecture and he
will respond afterwards!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:26 Marie-Louise Nosch
14:25
Alex:
The problem is the camera sound, not the powerpoint, but the tech people are
working on solving it! :)
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:25 Alex
14:25
[Comment From ItmediaItmedia: ]
thanks for the Audio tip. :-) work is being done to fix the problem
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:25 Itmedia
14:24
[Comment From Eva WachaEva Wacha: ]
Thank you very much, that we all can join the conference on the web! Hello to
everybody!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:24 Eva Wacha
14:23
Anne Chapin:
For those of you having a difficult time hearing Robert, I just plugged speakers into
my computer and now the sound is perfect.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:23 Anne Chapin
14:23
[Comment From
ashlarblocksashlarblocks: ]
Louise Hitchcock: Brilliant!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:23 ashlarblocks
14:23
Annette Borrell:
Wish you were here Helena!:)
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:23 Annette Borrell
14:23
[Comment From Alessandro GrecoAlessandro Greco: ]
Bravi!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:23 Alessandro Greco
14:22
Angelos Papadopoulos:
Greetings from Athens again. Everything works fine, congratulations for the hard
work! Best wishes, Angelos
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:22 Angelos Papadopoulos
14:22
14:22
[Comment From Helena TomasHelena
Tomas: ]
I wish I was sitting amongst those people
clapping in the background. Helena Tomas
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:22 Helena Tomas
[Comment From Louise HitchcockLouise Hitchcock: ]
Brilliant!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:22 Louise Hitchcock
14:21
[Comment From Fotis IfantidisFotis Ifantidis: ]
Good luck! Hope that next time, neolithic "kosmos" will be represent too.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:21 Fotis Ifantidis
14:20
[Comment From despina catapotidespina catapoti: ]
brilliant! all the best of luck! despina catapoti
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:20 despina catapoti
14:19
[Comment From Uwe WollinUwe Wollin: ]
:-)
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:19 Uwe Wollin
14:19
[Comment From GuestGuest: ]
this is brilliant! all the best of luck!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:19 Guest
14:18
Marie-Louise Nosch:
Thanks, Costas!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:18 Marie-Louise Nosch
14:17
[Comment From Kostas PaschalidisKostas Paschalidis: ]
Congratulations and good luck!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:17 Kostas Paschalidis
14:16
Sophia Vakirtzi:
thanks Uwe
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:16 Sophia Vakirtzi
14:16
Alex:
@Margarita they are working on fixing the sound!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:16 Alex
14:15
[Comment From UweUwe: ]
@Sofia. Just click the laudspeaker symbol in the bottom of the chat window
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:15 Uwe
14:15
Margarita Gleba:
Great - now it is so quiet it is almost inaudible at the highest audio level on my
computer but no echo at least.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:15 Margarita Gleba
14:15
Alex:
:)
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:15 Alex
14:15
Sophia Vakirtzi:
Yes, Alex, thank you !
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:15 Sophia Vakirtzi
14:14
Annette Borrell:
Hello Robert - welcome:)
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:14 Annette Borrell
14:14
Alex:
@Sophia - is the sound off now?
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:14 Alex
14:14
[Comment From GuestGuest: ]
it's really great!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:14 Guest
14:14
14:14
14:14
[Comment From GuestGuest: ]
Sorry..we were hearing well in the beginning but now no...
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:14 Guest
KosmosAdmin2:
[Private Message to Guest] Thank you
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:14 KosmosAdmin2
Jane Johnsen:
Dear Margaritha. Thank you for posting the comment about sound. We are
correcting it presently
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:14 Jane Johnsen
14:13
Robert Laffineur:
Hello!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:13 Robert
Laffineur
14:13 Guest:
[Private Message to KosmosAdmin2] I believe it is Anaya Sarpaki (Reply Privately)
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:13 Guest
14:13
Robert Laffineur:
Helle
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:13 Robert Laffineur
14:13
Sophia Vakirtzi:
how do i turn off the chat message notification sound ?
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:13 Sophia Vakirtzi
14:13
[Comment From Anne ChapinAnne Chapin: ]
Hello everyone!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:13 Anne Chapin
14:13
Annette Borrell:
Welcome Lucia
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:13 Annette Borrell
14:12 KosmosAdmin2:
[Private Message to Guest] Could you please identify yourself by name
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:12 KosmosAdmin2
14:12
Annette Borrell:
We are checking the techniques right now
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:12 Annette Borrell
14:12
[Comment From Del Freo+ Lucia AlbertiDel Freo+ Lucia Alberti: ]
Hallo to everybody! It's great! Thank you!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:12 Del Freo+ Lucia Alberti
14:11
14:11
14:11
Margarita Gleba:
There seem to be problems with the sound - when powerpoint is on it is perfect but
when it goes to camera there is a bad echo and the sound is very quiet - don't know
if anything van be done about it but thought you should know
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:11 Margarita Gleba
pietro militello:
Sorry, there was a worsening of the
audio or is it a problem of my
computer?
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:11 pietro militello
[Comment From Marylène Crépin-LaffineurMarylène Crépin-Laffineur: ]
Les premières minutes sont extraordinaires. Bon succès à tous les organisateurs.
Robert, quand tu auras un moment, consulte ton site à l'ULg.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:11 Marylène Crépin-Laffineur
14:11
Marylène Crépin-Laffineur:
[Private Message to KosmosAdmin2] Thank
you. (Reply Privately)
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:11 Marylène
Crépin-Laffineur
14:11 KosmosAdmin2:
[Private Message to Marylène Crépin-Laffineur] Thank you. I will post your commen shortly
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:11 KosmosAdmin2
14:10 Marylène Crépin-Laffineur:
[Private Message to KosmosAdmin2] Marylène Laffineur-Crépin (Reply Privately)
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:10 Marylène Crépin-Laffineur
14:09 KosmosAdmin2:
[Private Message to Marylène Cr...] Could you please write your full name to me? Thank you
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:09 KosmosAdmin2
14:08
Annette Borrell:
Hello Ute
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:08 Annette Borrell
14:07
[Comment From Ute Günkel-MaschekUte Günkel-Maschek: ]
Hi everybody!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:07 Ute Günkel-Maschek
14:07
Annette Borrell:
@M - good to have you here.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:07 Annette Borrell
14:06
Margarita Gleba:
No - I am taking a train on Friday morning so I will be tuning in today and
tomorrow
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:06 Margarita Gleba
14:06
[Comment From emanuela albertiemanuela alberti: ]
Hi!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:06 emanuela alberti
14:05
Annette Borrell:
Hi Margarita - were you not going to London today (or yesterday?)
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:05 Annette Borrell
14:05
[Comment From Peter PavukPeter Pavuk: ]
Hi Fritz, thanks for reading my paper!!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:05 Peter Pavuk
14:05
[Comment From Margarita GlebaMargarita Gleba: ]
Greetings from Berlin to everyone!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:05 Margarita Gleba
14:04
Jane Johnsen:
Hi Margaritá. Glad to see you
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:04 Jane Johnsen
14:04
Annette Borrell:
Hello Alessandro - welcome!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:04 Annette Borrell
14:04
Annette Borrell:
Hello alessadnr
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:04 Annette Borrell
14:03
[Comment From Alessandro GrecoAlessandro Greco: ]
Hello Kosmos
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:03 Alessandro Greco
14:03
[Comment From Julie HrubyJulie Hruby: ]
Hi all!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:03 Julie Hruby
14:02
[Comment From Valeria LenuzzaValeria Lenuzza: ]
Hello all
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:02 Valeria Lenuzza
14:01
[Comment From Janice CrowleyJanice Crowley: ]
Hello All. Glad to join in !
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:01 Janice Crowley
14:00
[Comment From Anna Simandiraki-GrimshawAnna Simandiraki-Grimshaw: ]
Hi all!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:00 Anna Simandiraki-Grimshaw
14:00 KosmosAdmin2:
[Private Message to Guest] Who are you?
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:00 KosmosAdmin2
14:00
Nancy Thomas:
Hello Pietro
Wednesday April 21, 2010 14:00 Nancy Thomas
13:59
[Comment From Robert LaffineurRobert Laffineur: ]
Welcome on the first virtual Aegean conference.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 13:59 Robert Laffineur
13:59
[Comment From Sophia VakirtziSophia Vakirtzi: ]
Hello from Athens
Wednesday April 21, 2010 13:59 Sophia Vakirtzi
13:59
[Comment From Angelos PapadopoulosAngelos Papadopoulos: ]
Hi everybody and good luck!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 13:59 Angelos Papadopoulos
13:58
[Comment From Luca GirellaLuca
Girella: ]
Hello everybody!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 13:58 Luca Girella
13:58
Jane Johnsen:
There will be no question time, but the author is invited to answer
directly via the chat.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 13:58 Jane Johnsen
13:5
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13:52
pietro militello:
Will the question time remain the
same? (5 minutes) any
suggestion?
Wednesday April 21, 2010 13:54 pietro
militello
[Comment From Jane JohnsenJane Johnsen: ]
Hello all. I am moderating this session
Wednesday April 21, 2010 13:52 Jane Johnsen
13:52
[Comment From Annette BorrellAnnette Borrell: ]
Hello everybody
Wednesday April 21, 2010 13:52 Annette Borrell
13:52
[Comment From FritzFritz: ]
Hi!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 13:52 Fritz
13:51
[Comment From Alex BuhlAlex Buhl: ]
Nice to meet you all!
Wednesday April 21, 2010 13:51 Alex Buhl
13:51
[Comment From Alex BuhlAlex Buhl: ]
Hej :)
Wednesday April 21, 2010 13:51 Alex Buhl
13:48
[Comment From Georg NightingaleGeorg Nightingale: ]
Servus
Wednesday April 21, 2010 13:48 Georg Nightingale
13:48
[Comment From Annette Højen SørensenAnnette Højen Sørensen: ]
Hallo
Wednesday April 21, 2010 13:48 Annette Højen Sørensen
13:47
[Comment From Nancy ThomasNancy Thomas: ]
Hello.
Wednesday April 21, 2010 13:47 Nancy Thomas
13:47
[Comment From pietro militellopietro militello: ]
Hello to everybody, it is just to see if it work. Will the program remain the same?
And what about the original different locations? Pietro
Wednesday April 21, 2010 13:47 pietro militello
13:35
Kosmos moderator:
Read more about how to use this conference
backchannel on this page:
http://itmedia.hum.ku.dk/podcast/coveritlive/
Wednesday April 21, 2010 13:35 Kosmos moderator
13:32
Kosmos moderator:
We are now ready to discuss the Kosmos Conference right here ;)
Wednesday April 21, 2010 13:32 Kosmos moderator
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