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Pegasus Pages
Mid-Engine Excitement since 1990
Minnesota Fieros Forever
www.Fiero.mn.org
Vol. 15 No. 8 - Nov/Dec - 2004
“I couldn't think of
anything more fun
than going
somewhere in my
Fiero. Thank
goodness my wife
agreed to play along.
She never gave any
indication that she
was disappointed in
my idea....”
(Continued on page 4)
Inside this issue
Fall Cruise Weekend Recap!
-Page 8
The President's
Perspective
Page 3
2004 A Road Trip
Oddyssey
Page 4
Important Membership
Update
Page 5
Fall Cruise &
Fiero Party
Page 8
Turbo vs. Naturally
Aspirated Power What's the difference?
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Minnesota Fieros Forever
“In Support of Pontiac Plastic”
Formed in 1990 to perpetuate and enhance
interest in the only USA built mid-engine
sports car.
Officers
President:
Jeff Wendt
952-937-8779
jck_wendt@juno.com
Vice President
Rob Bartlett
612-414-6629
rob@xtralite.com
www.fiero.mn.org
Treasurer:
Randy Jarboe
763-434-3667
rejarboe1@mmm.com
Secretary:
Position Available - Please inquire if interested!
Events Coordinators:
William Volk
651-738-9146
afutureK9handler@aol.com
When: 3rd Monday Each Month
Where:
Walser Pontiac
4401 West 80th St.
Bloomington MN 55437
952-888-9800
Newsletter Staff
Eric Hinnenkamp
952-237-4988
racingman24@gmail.com
Editor:
Pete Grosz
651-462-9411
PGGrosz@yahoo.com
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The President's
Perspective
Seasons Greeting fellow Fiero enthusiasts. I hope your winter
projects are proceeding better than mine. I have a lot of work
scheduled for the Stinger. New functional air scoops, a set of Eric's
refinished tail lights, and speedometer upgrade. I also plan on
working on the GT's history. Fred Bartemeyer from the Heartland
Fiero Club actually has a collection of pictures of my GT coming
down the production line. Hopefully, I will have everything done by
World of Wheels the weekend of April 8th-10th, 2005.
September and October Meeting
Minutes
It looks like its going to be an exciting year of activities for the Club
Kicking off the new year will be our annual Christmas Party on
The September 20th and October 18th meetings were held at Walser
January 8th at the Little Oven in St. Paul. This will be our third year
Pontiac in Bloomington and were called to order by Jeff Wendt.
there. The food, games, and prizes should make for another great
evening of fun. I look forward to seeing new and old Fiero friends.
September Financial Balance: $2508.43. October Financial Balance:
no report.
April kicks off with the World of Wheels at the Minneapolis
Convention Center. I hope many of you will strongly consider
New members present: none.
showing your Fiero at the show. We had nine cars in our display last
Spring. I think all would agree that we had a great time and were well
received by those attending. May 21st will bring our annual Spring
Old Business
Kickoff. The Activities group is still working on a time and location.
Further information will follow at a latter date.
1. Newsletter Proposed to go to 6 issues per year and pre-printed bimonthly postcards of events. Need more people involved and
Unfortunately, the Brainerd International Raceway Weekend we had improve content quality. Will have newsletter discussion at each
in August was a one-time thing. The event lost $150,000, so people
monthly meeting.
have backed out of any future event. I have been approached by
Steve Olson from the Northstar Chapter of SCCA about a weekend
2. BIR Event will not happen next year due to financial losses this
club event for Memorial Day Weekend. Discussion is very
year. May still have several clubs get together as an SCCA event.
preliminary and details will be communicated as plans come together.
Hopefully, this will be a second chance opportunity for those who
3. 20th Birthday Cruise - Twelve MFF Fieros attended this event at
missed last August's event.
Wisconsin Dells (total 40-50, some without Fieros). MFF had largest
Of course, early June brings us the Dells Run. I hope to make the
Fiero bingo game, especially if Kevin is our caller. The Midwest
Fiero Clubs have another year of club events planned to celebrate the
20th birthday of the 1985 Fieros. There is an executive meeting in
Chicago in January where we will get dates and places.
My wife Carol and I managed to do a couple cruise-ins to Searles
Minnesota this past year. The local tavern cooks up burgers and buck
beers with live music on a Friday night. There were well over 100
cars of various makes at both shows we attended. The Stinger
managed to turn a few heads. I am working on getting a schedule of
dates to share latter on. Please consider joining us.
attendance of any club. Ask any MFF member who attended about
the “synchronized” driving on the way home!
4. “Naked” Fiero - Tim Cebulla found a Fiero that needs help
disassembling and cleaning. Need parts for car if anyone has any or
would like to know how to take a Fiero apart, contact Tim.
New Business
1. 2005 Dues - Dues for the coming year will increase to $25 per
year if members want the printed version or $20 (unchanged) if
emailed. Advantage of emailed version would be that newsletter
would be in color. Members must inform Pete Grosz of their email
I hope your schedules will allow you the opportunity to attend some addresses.
of these events. I know I am going to be quite busy for Carol and me
2. Holiday Party is on January 8 and will be held at The Little Oven
this Spring and Summer with graduating a Senior from high school
in St. Paul (same place as last year). Cost is $15 per person. Club is
and getting her off to college. We will try to make as many Fiero and
asking any members if they would like to donate any door prizes.
non-Fiero events as possible. I hope you can to.
Social hour will be at 5pm, dinner at 6pm.
'Til next month.
3. 2005 Nominations Kevin Lindeman, Marty LeGesse, and John
Olson have added their names to the Events Chairman position.
Jeff
Meetings adjourned at 8:30pm.
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Road Trip 2004
A Different Way to Spend Your 25th Anniversary!
Article & Photos by Bryon Braton
I've only been a Fiero owner since 11/22/03. I
have wanted one since I first read about the “P Car”
that General Motors might produce. That was in the
early '80's. Obviously, there was quite a pent-up urge
to own one after all these years. Thanks to Rick
Balthazor I found a decent '87 GT for a very good
price. I had a great time fixing the minor problems
and making sure that everything worked properly.
Then I decided to make improvements. I added 17“
wheels, an ipod cradle and a bracket to hold a
handheld GPS device. After driving it around town
all spring and a couple of weekend trips I felt the car
was now ready to go on an extended road trip.
It was my 25th wedding anniversary this summer.
A lot of people in this situation would go on a
Caribbean Cruise or a dream vacation to Hawaii. I
couldn't think of anything more fun than going
somewhere in my Fiero. Thank goodness my wife
agreed to play along. She never gave any indication
that she was disappointed in my idea. Maybe I wasn't
looking very closely for any hints of that. I needed to
think of a destination. Since we both like barbeque it
would make sense to go to Kansas City. As long as
we are traveling in that direction we might as well
continue on to Branson, MO and see an Elvis
impersonator. I also discovered that there was an old
fashioned Soda Fountain in Ankeny, IA. They even
make there own ice cream. Maybe we could hit that
on the way home.
On the morning of July 7th I filled the tank and we
were off. After traveling about 10 miles I noticed the
Fuel Gauge. It indicated that I had used ¼ tank of
fuel. After another 10 miles or so it was almost down
to ½ tank. I'm not a real math whiz but even I could
figure out that this was going to be an expensive trip!
As I continued to drive with one eye on the gauge
and one eye on the road the tank mysteriously started
refilling itself. After a few minutes it was back up to
full. It hasn't done that since. If any of you know why
it did that, let me know. Our first stop was at the
Rock-N-Roll themed McDonalds in Owatonna. The
food is the same but you get to sit in a booth that
looks like the back end of a '57 Chevy and look at
life size statues of the Blues Brothers. There is no
better way to eat a Breakfast Burrito. Back on I35, it
was time to crank up the iPod. I created a playlist
called “Driving”. It contains songs about driving,
traveling down the road or just having a beat that
makes you want to push the throttle a little closer to
the floor.
We arrived in Kansas City about 5:00 in the
afternoon. That gave us time to unload the suitcases
in our motel and find our way to K.C. Masterpiece.
We went to the Plaza location. It is in a ritzy part of
town. We parked near a Ferrari 550 Maranello. As
we were walking to the restaurant I waited at the
crosswalk to allow an Aston Martin DB7 to cross in
front of me. I couldn't help but think that both of
those drivers were a bit envious of my ride. The
dinner was very good. The only problem with it was
the fact that it was in an upscale area. Barbeque is
supposed to be down home. That means that we will
have to hit Arthur Bryant's on the way back from
Branson.
The next morning it was on our way to Branson. It
was a pleasant ride until we got about 2 hours from
our destination. The air coming out the vents wasn't
cool anymore, in fact, it was getting very warm.
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What a time for the A/C to fail! Mid July in southern
Missouri. Oh well, there is something romantic about
open air driving. We arrived in Branson to find a lot
of other people that came to visit. I also discovered
that despite the fact that
I'm 48 years old, I was
at least 20 years
younger than the
average age. We saw
the Elvis impersonator,
another show that had a
back to the 50's theme
and then headed back to
our room for the
evening.
The next days goal
was to get to Ankeny,
IA. That is a long way.
We stopped in K.C. to
visit the Negro Leagues Hall of Fame and then eat at
Arthur Bryant's. If you are ever in K.C. make sure
you eat there. There is nothing fancy about the place
but you get a plateful of the best barbeque you've
ever eaten. One thing to watch out for around K.C. is
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the roads. We traveled mostly Interstate Highways
but they were really rough. There was lots of
construction going on. There were times that I was
sure I had damaged a wheel. But we all survived
without a scratch. Later
that afternoon we arrived
at Bauder's Pharmacy in
Ankeny. We were hot and
tired from the long drive.
Eating their homemade ice
cream was just the thing I
needed at that time.
The last day of our trip
was an easy 4 hour drive
back home. It was a great
experience. My wife and I
each had room for 1 soft
sided suitcase and there
was still room for a couple
of bottles of barbeque sauce. The car is very smooth
and comfortable until you hit road construction, then
you take a beating. I got about 25 MPG. I had a great
time on the trip getting to know my Fiero better.
After I get the A/C fixed I'd go again in a minute.
2005 Newsletter & Membership Update!
A big thanks to everyone who attended the October
meeting and added their input to both the Membership
& Newsletter discussion. Without your input it's
difficult to know where to lead the club in the future.
First off, the newsletter. After much discussion and
debate, it was voted on & approved that we move to a
consistent bi-monthly newsletter instead of the
previous 9 issues per year format. This will allow us
(with your help in submitting articles, tech tips,
member profiles, event coverage, and classifieds) to
provide you with better content and a more-consistent
newsletter.
In place of the monthly summer newsletters, we'll be
sending out off-month postcards to remind and notify
you of upcoming events - so look for those in your
mailbox.
In addition to the revisions in the newsletter, we're
going to be moving to a two-tier membership system
based on your choice of newsletter delivery. The
updated newsletter format allows for easy conversion
to Adobe's Acrobat (PDF) format. It's a universal
format that is easy to transport to both the printer and
to you, our members, via email. So you'll get your copy
as soon as the design is complete - no more waiting by
the mailbox! Additionally, this also means that you can
see the covers, photos, tech tips and all articles in the
full color that they're designed!
So starting in January 2005, when you renew your
MFF membership you'll have to choose between the
new “online” level membership for $20 - where you'll
only receive the newsletter in your email, or the
previous “standard” level membership for $25 (this is a
$5 increase over previous years), and you'll still receive
a printed newsletter. If you select the “standard” level
membership, you can still also elect to receive the
online newsletter in addition to your printed copy
(because we understand that many of you would still
like a hard copy to keep in your collections).
Thanks for your continued support!
-Rob Bartlett
MFF Vice President
& Newsletter Committe Memeber
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What is the Difference Between
300 hp Naturally Asperated and
Turbocharged 300hp?
Article by Ryan Glick via PFF
Photos from the Web
8500 or so RPM but peak torque is only about 95 ft/lbs. In other
words HP is just a function of math.
This discussion has come up previously and evidently many
people are confused by the way the differences were explained. I
think the best way to get the right information out is to start over
from the beginning and explain the basics.
Hopefully no one is lost up to this point because it is important
you understand how HP is calculated and how we arrive at those
numbers. If you are still following, lets move on to turbocharging
(boost). Whenever you put boost on an engine, in this case a
turbocharger, you are increasing the amount of air entering the
engine, as described earlier. Increased air means increased
cylinder fill, which translates into increased dynamic compression
ratio, which translates into increased power output. The nice thing
about boost is we can have a little more say in when the engine is
going to make most of its power. For sake of argument lets say we
use a relatively small turbo, in this case on our 3.4 DOHC
example engine, because we only want to make 300hp but we
want the engine to have good street manners and we don't want a
lot of turbo lag (bigger turbos have more lag). The amount of
power we can produce is going to be determined by the amount of
boost we put on the engine and what octane fuel we are using
along with a host of other variables, but those are just the basics.
When you turbocharge or supercharge an engine you are forcing
more air into the engine/cylinder than it would normally hold if it
were naturally asperated. Well obviously more pressure means
increased load and dynamic compression. Dynamic compression
ratio is the maximum pressure that develops inside the cylinder
during the compression stroke. Dynamic compression ratio is
influenced by the overall engine breathing efficiency. So, with
boost you can conclude that your dynamic compression ratio or
cylinder pressure is going to be much higher than what it would
have naturally asperated.
So how does this relate to the 300hp N/A vs. 300hp under boost
and how this relates to which is harder on the engine? Well first
off, HP is a calculated number based on RPM and Torque. HP =
Torque x RPM / 5252. This means that the higher the RPM, the
higher the HP will be IF you can maintain the torque output. Lets
use the 1992 3.4 DOHC engine as an example:
210hp @ 5200 rpm - 215tq @ 4000 rpm
From these numbers we can
determine that this engine
produces 208 ft/lbs of torque
at 5200 rpm and 164 HP at
4000 rpm. Now if we could do
some kind of modification to
this engine that would allow it
to hold the torque curve out a
little longer than stock, say by
the use of bigger cams, we
could actually produce 300hp
off of just 208 ft/lbs of torque.
If we could make the engine
develop that much torque at
7500 rpm. 208tq x 7500rpm /
5252 = 297hp. (~300hp @ 7500 rpm)
With the cam upgrade we do increase the engine's efficiency at
higher RPMs but we probably aren't increasing the dynamic
compression ratio because the torque output is the same as stock,
but the difference is now it is just making the power LATER in
the RPM range. Obviously larger cams will probably result in
increased torque production as well but remember our goal here is
300hp and peak torque and when it occurs will vary depending on
the cam specs. This is why a honda Vtec 4 cyl can make 200hp at
As just described, with turbocharging, under boost we are
forcing more air into the engine, and most of the time earlier than
it would normally “breathe”. With the increased cylinder fill we
increase torque output, in this case lets say we are now able to
make 320 ft/lbs of torque at 4000rpm and that torque output only
falls to 300 ft/lbs by the time
we hit 5200rpm.
Turbocharger size and design
plays a huge role in how your
torque curve is going to look,
along with other things like
cam profile. So if we can
make 300 ft/lbs of torque at
5200 rpm by the equation we
are now making 297hp at
5200rpm. Obviously if we
could hold the torque curve
up longer then peak HP we
would be further up the RPM
band. But for sake of
arguement lets just assume we are using a small turbo and the
torque curve drops off rapidly after 5200 rpm.
So what is the difference between 300hp n/a and 300hp
turbocharged and how it relates to load on the engine? Well quite
simply put the higher cylinder pressures present due to forced
induction (boost) are going to put more stress on engine internals
and the block. Head gaskets, pistons, piston rings, connecting
rods, crankshaft, bearings, main caps, and the block are all going
to have to “tolerate” these higher pressures.
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While a higher revving, naturally asperated engine also puts
more stress on engine internals, the forces are different. For
example, 90% of all connecting rod failures due to excessive
RPM were a result of connecting rod stretch. This happens
between the exhaust and intake strokes when the piston is
traveling upwards in a cylinder and inertia trys to keep the piston
moving upwards while the crank starts to yank the piston back
down for the intake stroke. (you don't have
this issue during the compression stroke
because pressure is present in the cylinder
trying to push the piston back down into
the bore) The connecting rod literally gets
pulled apart. At some point ALL
connecting rods will fail in this manner, its
just a matter of how much pulling force
they can endure before failure, in other
words, how much RPM they can withstand
and for how long. With higher RPMs you
don't have the loading that results from the
increased cylinder pressures you have with
boost, so long as you can keep your
bearings lubricated and keep your
connecting rods from stretching.
As stated before, under boost you are
putting more physical pressure on all of
the engine internals, and you are doing it
at lower RPMs which usually stresses the
bearings more than any other component.
Another thing that has to be paid close
attention to when using boost is detonation
or knock. Most stock pistons can't survive well when detonation
occurs at high cylinder pressures. Boost + detonation = very high
cylinder temps which actually melt the piston. Higher cylinder
pressures by themselves also result in higher cylinder temps
which cause piston ring gaps to close. Natually asperated engines
are set up with tight piston ring gaps from the factory to increase
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effecientcy and reduce emissions. Tight piston ring gaps are not
boost friendly. This is another reason why you can only build so
much boost on a stock naturally asperated engine, they are just
not designed nor built to handle the increased cylinder temps and
pressures. Piston material also plays a big role in how much boost
you can build. Stock cast pistons are the weakest while stock cast
hypereutectic pistons are slightly better. Neither one of these
materials are “great” for boost that is why
forged is the piston of choice for serious
boosted applications. Forged pistons can
better tolerate the higher pressures and
temperatures and even some detonation,
but they do have their limits.
Static compression ratio also plays a big
role in how much boost you can ultimately
put on an engine. In stock form the 3.4
DOHC engine has about 9.5:1
compression which is a little too high for a
lot of boost. The recommended
compression ratio for street-turbocharged
applications is 8.0-8.5:1. The difference
here is obvious, 6psi of boost on a 9.5:1
compression engine is going to have
higher cylinder pressures/temperatures
than 6psi on an 8.5:1 compression engine.
The amount of boost you can build on an
engine is going to depend on how strong
your engine internals are, as well as how
strong the block is. There are several
publications available that also explain other variables like
cylinder wall thickness that also play a big part in just how much
boost you can produce. But it is safe to say that 300hp naturally
asperated does not have as much stress on it's engine internals as
an engine that is making 300hp turbocharged. Hope this helps
better explain the differences!
2005 MFF Club Officers Election Report!
Irregardless of your personal politics, I'm certain we
can all agree that we're thankful the Nation's elections
are over for the time being.
That doesn't get you entirely off the hook yet, as we
are currently in the heat of our own MFF club officer's
election season. Thankfully there is no mudslinging or
name calling among our ranks. As a matter of fact,
there currently are no contested positions that require a
complete participant vote.
During election discussions at our October monthly
meeting, we had a few additional volunteers for the two
existing activity director positions. It was agreed that
we will expand the position to accommodate all 4
interested members - hopefully increasing the quantity,
variety, and organization of our seasonal activities.
Although all the positions are accounted for, it's
not too late to volunteer your time & efforts for an
additional club official position - or you can become
part of an event or newsletter committee. Without
further delay, here are your selections for 2005 Club
officers:
President - Jeff Wendt
Vice President - Rob Bartlett
Treasurer - Randy Jarboe
Secretary - Will Volk
Activities Directors: Eric Hinnenkamp
Kevin Lindeman
Marty Legeese
John Olson
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Fall Cruise & Fiero Party
For the 2nd time this year, we're back
in Wisconsin Dells!
Article by Rob Bartlett
Photos by Rob Bartlett & Tom Podziemski
At first glance it could've been mid-July by the sunlight, but
the first breath of the cold Minnesota morning air let you
know for certain that fall had arrived - and we were heading
for one of the last Fiero events of the year.
We gathered (a bit late as usual) at the exit 2 rest area in
Hudson Wisconsin with a total of 9 Fieros and 12 members
present. We were all thrilled to see that our beloved Marilyn
Anderson accompanied Kenn for the trip (it was great to see
her warm smile again). Unfortunately the morning did not
begin without incident, as it turned out that the alternator in
Diane Olson's '87 GT decided to give up upon arrival in
Hudson. After doing a some minor re-shuffling of passengers
and cargo (John &
Diane's son ended
up riding
“shotgun” in Eric's
'88 coupe instead
of the GT). Once
underway we didn't
experience any
further trouble the
rest of the trip.
Marty LaGeese
planned an excellent & most enjoyable route for our morning
cruise. From Hudson we headed northeast along some of
Wisconsin's twisty & beautiful roads where we enjoyed the
changing fall colors and our Fieros for what they are built for Driving. We arrived (slightly ahead of schedule) for lunch at
the Main Street Cafe in Bloomer Wisconsin (Marty's old
stomping grounds). After excellent food & service we gassed
up the cars and started our near-straight shot south to
Wisconsin Dells for Midwest Fiero Club's “Fiero Birthday
Bash”.
We arrived at Chula Vista
resort around 3:30pm and
joined members from the
Wisconsin, Illinois, Iowa
and other surrounding clubs
(as well as a few additional
Minn members). With the
addition of Steve & Diane
Hoberg as well as Tina &
Greg - we had the highest
attendance of any state or
club.
The birthday bash
itself was a bit
more unstructured
than the Dells Run
events we're all
familiar with. The
night was spent
dining, drinking,
laughing, and
talking - some with
friends we've know for years, others meeting new friends at
every turn.
Although the party stayed on through much of the night,
many of chose to call it quits at a “reasonable hour” (roughly
1am) so that we would have a bit of sleep before the next
morning arrived. And when morning did arrive - we once
again joined others for food and the stories that go along with
it.
Following breakfast, we headed to the parking lot for a few
impromptu “tech sessions” - one in the lower parking lot
covering work on
the headliner of a
Wisconsin club
member's GT. The
other showing the
best way to swap
from a “parts” hood
to the finished thing
on my own Green
'87 GT.
Throughout the morning the crowd slowly diminished - the
bulk of the Minnesota crowd heading off about 12:30pm, and
slowly dropped off as we passed our respective highway exits
(but not without some “creative driving” on the part of 5 of
our crew).
All-in-all an excellent weekend spent with
wonderful people sharing the love of our little cars.
Thanks especially to Marty for planning the
morning's cruise and lunch - and Midwest Fiero
Clubs & Chula Vista resort for hosting a casual
Fiero weekend. And finally to all of our drivers &
passengers (in no particular order): John, Diane,
Cody, Eric, Marty, Kevin, PJ & his wife, Dennis,
Kenn, Marilyn, and myself (Rob). I know we are all
looking forward to more cruises and other “casual”
events in the future!
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CLASSIFIEDS
1987 Fiero Convertible - Bright Blue Metallic, professional
conversion, V-6, 5-spd, only 18,400 miles. Stored every winter, has
never seen snow. Asking $10,600. Reasonable offers considered. Call
Peter (973) 402-9607.
1986 Fiero GT Fastback. Black w/grey int., A/C, power everything.
Great shape. 72,000 act miles. Asking $4950. Vic
(junenvic@wmconnect.com).
1988 Fiero GT Fastback, red/gray, V6, 5-spd, factory “gold” wheels,
48K miles, leather seats, PW, PDL, rear defrost, A/C, cruise,
subwoofer, sunroof with headliner insert and leather storage pouch,
original GM dealership (urethane) Mecham side scoops. Aftermarket
additions include Koni shocks and struts, urethane bushings
throughout, Potenza tires in excellent shape, strut tower brace, battery
relocation box, cold air intake tube, and IRM exhaust system. Asking
$7500 obo. Pictures available at
http://mljohnson2002.home.mchsi.com For additional information,
please email Mike at mljohnson2002@mchsi.com. Serious inquiries
only.
1988 GT, red , 116K miles, custom wheels, runs fine, A/C needs
charging, very good condition, one owner.
John (johnjajr@aol.com).
1986 Fiero SE Turbo, Black/Gray, Miller-Woods Stage 1 Turbo Kit,
103k miles (50k on Turbo), Synthetic since Turbo install. $3000
Call Eric Hinnenkamp (952) 237-4988 (racingman24@gmail.com).
1988 Fiero Coupe, red/gray, 4-cyl, auto, PDL, PM, 67K miles.
Asking $3195 obo. Call Henry (920) 684-0383.
1988 Fiero Coupe, black/gray, A/C, cruise, sunroof, 80K miles.
Asking $1500 obo. Call Dan (920) 722-3240.
1988 Fiero Coupe, sliver/gray, 153K miles, power everything, new
clutch & brakes. Asking $2200. Call Jack (262) 549-3976.
1988 Fiero, rust-free Hawaii car. Disassembled with all body panels
removed for painting. All suspensions parts new, powdercoated but
not installed. Asking $1400 obo. Also 1986 Fiero Sport Coupe parts
car. No front clip but has rebuilt head on the 2.5. Best offer (cheap).
Call Benji (218) 391-7632 (ben3843100@hotmail.com).
1987 Fiero GT. Excellent condition. Factory Power Steering (not a
typo), 12“ Wilwood brakes and tubular suspension with coil-over
adjustable shocks/ride height. Awesome stereo/alarm system. Email
scott.paskewitz@cox.net.
1987 Fiero GT 5-spd, mint. New engine (Jasper) 2.8 liter V6.
Pictures available on request. Call Dan (248) 961-0619
(dkdkvan5@aol.com).
1987 Fiero GT, blue/gray, 5-spd, 140K miles, garaged and never
driven in winter, loaded, bra & cover. Asking $2700. Call Hallie
(920) 980-1213 or (920) 564-3851.
1986 Fiero GT, gold/tan, V6, 4-spd, 75K miles, leather seats, sun
roof, wing, Florida Car. Asking $2800 obo. Call Dan (920) 7223240.
1986 Fiero SE, auto/V6, black w/ gray int., 84k miles (600 miles on
rebuilt engine). New items include: windshield, rear struts, brake
pads, heater core, ignition module, and pick up coil. Asking $2500
obo. Call Dennis @ 651-233-6443.
1986 Fiero SE for parts, gold, no front clip or seats but has sunroof,
PW, cruise, and dual exhaust. Also have gold '87 Fiero Coupe,
complete car but will not start. Both have approximately 120K miles
on them and are 4-cyl auto. Asking $300 for both. Call Frank (314)
845-8892 (frank@hosna.com).
1986 Fiero Coupe, gold, 4-cyl, 5-spd, 45K miles, mint. Asking
$2700 obo. Call Julie (414) 217-5893.
1986 Fiero Coupe, red w/ white accent stripes, 166K miles, 4-cyl,
auto, new tires, ball joints, tie-rod ends, calipers & rotors, wheel
bearings, shocks, battery, & windshield. Will include a one year
membership to MFF car club. Call John (651) 636-0119
(johnnyfiero@aol.com).
1985 Fiero GT, auto, V6, sunroof, tilt, PW, PDL, rear defrost, Delco
cassette sound system with equalizer, new 1987 Style Fiero 15“
wheels & tires, 41,000 actual miles, photos available at
”Webshots.com“ look up member ”MrBuick101“. Excellent
condition. Original 14” wheels and tires available if requested.
Asking $6500. Contact rflint@mn.rr.com with any questions.
1985 Fiero GT, white, V6, 4-speed, 178K miles Asking $1700 obo.
Call Mike (414) 378-5371.
1985 Fiero GT-LT1,loaded with all new parts from17“rims and
Yokohama tires, V8 is ported & polished, custom paint & headers,
Autometer carbon fiber gauges. Asking $8999. Call Dan (262) 8201864.
1985 Fiero SE, red/gray, Quad 4 engine, auto, PDL, A/C, glove box,
Grand Am brakes. Asking $5500. Call Gerry (765) 457-3673
(ggoodwin@netusall.net for pics & details).
1984 Fiero 2M4, red, 120K miles, AM/FM cassette, new brakes, A/C
not working. Very good condition. Asking $2000. Call Jim (813) 938-
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Upcoming Events!
Stay up to date with local, regional, and
national Fiero shows & events!
MFF Monthly Meeting @ Walser Pontiac.
Bloomington MN (see page 2 for details)
MFF Holiday Party @ Lil' Oven, St.Paul MN
Contact Will Volk (651-738-9146) for details
December 20th 2004
7:00pm
January 8th, 2005
5:00pm
MFF Monthly Meeting @ Walser Pontiac.
Bloomington MN (see page 2 for details)
February 21st 2005
7:00pm
MFF Monthly Meeting @ Walser Pontiac.
Bloomington MN (see page 2 for details)
March 21st 2005
7:00pm
World of Wheels - Minneapolis Convetion Center
www.worldofwheels.com for details
April 8th -10th
MFF Spring Kick Off - details to follow!
May 21st, 2005
Dells Run 2005 - Chula Vista Resort, Wisconsin Dells
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June 2nd-5th,2005
Fieros in Auburn - Auburn Indiana
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July 1st-2nd, 2005
CFOGi - Summer Nationals, Exact Location TBA (Missouri)
details to come at www.cfogi.org
2005 Holiday Party!
Another holiday season is upon us - and that means that it's
almost time for our MFF Holiday Party! Join us for our 3rd
consecutive year at “The Lil' Oven” in White Bear Lake,
Saturday January 8th @ 5pm.
The cost is $16 per person (gratuity included) and we'll be
dining on an Italian Buffet w/coffee and soda included. Please
RSVP via phone or email to Will Volk at 651-738-9146 or
afutureK9handler@aol.com (we'd like to get an accurate gauge
on attendance ahead of time).
In addition to dinner we will be giving away great door prizes
through raffles, bingo, and other great Fiero games! It's a night
not to be missed!
The Lil' Oven is located at 1786 Minnehaha (at White Bear Ave) just
north of I94 in St.Paul - and they can be reached at 651-735-4944
August 5th-7th, 2005
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