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bl ip bl ip bl ip Do ub + ara les Ph Se In t ill rie e Ru ri ip s: s& Ja th m Ed Se ke Bin wi le Kru gh ct n a s m Pi ed he ck by ll, Ha st T m Ci im i on ar l e a P Off ton , r hi ed El e lli ps i, G an & ina or E Ed P lk wi ric s H n e, Pi Ph err ck il m st ip an on Sp ns e ea en km , an Ci blip blip blip is an exhibitions programme committed to examining and fostering relationships between contemporary art practice and art education. Art students are involved in the running of the programme from installing and invigilating shows to acting as technicians in order to help realise works. Ciara Phillips & Edwin Pickstone Interviewed by Polly Morris How did you both go about becoming professional artist’s after finishing your degrees? Edwin: It was a gradual process which I came to through making, not with a specific audience in mind, but by making things that interested me and the designers, artists, authors and musicians with whom I collaborate. For this catalogue we have asked seven of the current Fine Art Foundation students at Leeds College of Art, who help run the programme, to interview all the artists involved. This year’s Interim has been selected by Ciara Phillips and Edwin Pickstone and will be installed on top of, and within, their own work. Interim is an annual exhibition open to all current penultimate year BA Fine Art students at British art schools who have previously completed their foundation course at Leeds College of Art. The doubles series asks a mid career artist to invite another artist, with whom they have some form of educational or artistic relationship, to make an exhibition with them. In this sixth instalment of the series Ciara Phillips has invited Edwin Pickstone to produce a new collaborative work that will line the walls of the gallery. Doubles Series + Interim Ciara: When I finished my degree the idea that I might one day be able to work as a professional artist felt like an unlikely eventuality. As a first year student I remember being congratulated for choosing to study Fine Art (do what you love) but being told in the next breath that only 3% of us would someday work as artists (be prepared to do something else). You have to find your own way into being an artist but if you care about what you’re doing you will keep at it. I’ve always moved back and forth between working for a living and working on my art. When I graduated from University I moved in with my parents and got a job as a secretary. It wasn’t something I cared about but I still learned from the experience of doing it and it also meant that I saved enough money to take the next summer off to return to my old University to make new work. My ‘other’ jobs (waitressing, working as a secretary, leading workshops at a psychiatric hospital, lecturing) have all had some impact on my work as an artist. It’s true that finding a way to sustain yourself as an artist is difficult, and I haven’t always found the balancing act that easy, but I’m nevertheless glad that I’ve picked up other skills along the way. I think it’s important to remember that if want to do this for your lifetime, then you can and should allow yourself some time to get there. Could you describe your average working day, if there is such a thing? Edwin: As a lecturer and technician I spend most of my days with students from all over the art school. This involves dealing with a lot of both ‘why?’ and ‘how?’. Ciara: 10am – 8pm is a pretty normal working day. Most common activities at the moment are: emailing, talking to students about their degree show, printing with Edwin, packing and shipping artworks, making stuff with Poster Club, going to openings, booking travel, invoicing, thinking about and making new artworks. What is it about printing as a medium that you were both drawn to in the first place and has sustained your interest? Edwin: Originally I liked the control, that no matter how bad, each print was the ‘real thing’ and the restrictions to battle against. I still relish that ability to control all aspects of the production of my work but have also in found in typography, print and the alphabet a rich, deep subject area to get involved with. Ciara: I wasn’t really that drawn to printmaking as a student - it seemed time-consuming and there was far too much cleaning. But I’ve grown to like the time that’s embedded in the process. Some years ago I abandoned the idea of making editions of prints and that really opened up the possibilities for me. Two things still keep me interested about printing – its historical legacy (working with Edwin has shown me that I still have a lot to learn about this!) and the element of surprise that it can bring to the process of making. In light of the fact Ciara was nominated for the Turner Prize in 2014, how important do you both feel such prizes are for artists? Edwin: I was very pleased to have made the poster, displayed in the Turner Prize exhibition, for Duncan Campbell’s film It For Others. I suppose if I was pleased it’d be a bit odd to say that these prizes have no significance for me, though they probably play a bigger part in our understanding than I’d like. I was really pleased that Ciara was nominated. I suspect you’re asking the wrong person. Ciara: What can I say? It would feel disingenuous to criticize art prizes based on the fact that they pit artists against one another and set up false markers of ‘success’, yet to have accepted a nomination for the Turner Prize. I think there’s truth in both of these common criticisms of art prizes, but on a personal level I was happy to have been nominated for Workshop (2010 - ongoing) at The Showroom – it felt like recognition of all the work that went into making that show. And it wasn’t just about me, I think it also meant a lot to my collaborators and all those who helped to make the project happen. It’s good for people to be given recognition for the work they’re doing but I don’t think that art prizes need to be framed in such an adversarial way – that works best for the institution and for the media, not for the artists themselves. It was mentioned by some when you, Ciara, were nominated for the Turner Prize that due to your use of printing, your work could be perceived as the most typically ‘traditional’ among the nominees, have either of you come up against any preconceived judgements within the art world as to how printing is regarded? Ciara: Yes, I think printmaking still occupies a supporting role but I actually think that its peripheral status makes it interesting – it gives it a different voice and links it to other social and political histories. Edwin: People often, understandably, confuse the discipline I work with (letterpress typography and print) which exists in the remains of a, now redundant, commercial/industrial process, with Printmaking whose roots are closer tied to fine art. I suspect that a more interesting discussion would be about the way in which postindusrial cities such as Glasgow have become seen as centres for the production of Contemporary Art and the ‘Creative Industries’ and our respect for the industries and skilled workers who went before. Ciara, one of your collaborations was titled “Who Decides?”, which involved sending a different rule to each participating artist who could respond to it in any way they wished, another exhibition was called “The only rule is work”... is this something you firmly believe or are there any other rules either of you stick to within your art practice? What part do you think rules play within the art world? Ciara: “The only rule is work” is a quote from a list of 10 Rules for the Immaculate Heart College Art Department devised by Corita Kent in the 1960s. It’s Rule 7, “The only rule is work. If you work it will lead to something. It’s the people who do all of the work all the time who eventually catch onto things.” I’ve used this quote as a title for an artwork and as a title for a show. I think there’s a lot to be said for work [i.e. your work as an artist] leading to something, but I also question the very notion of ‘work’ and how much we adhere to it as a principle for living. And I’m critical of how much creative people work for little to no pay. So the title, ‘The only rule is work’, was intended to open up some of these questions while also pointing towards an artist whose work I admire. I don’t adhere to any firm rules within my own practice – except maybe one, I only use my own photographs, no appropriation of images. But hey, rules are made to be broken. [As for the ‘rules’ of the art world, that’s a whole other interview!] Edwin: I work with a machinery which is now rare and very difficult to replace. As such the foremost rule is to understand the equipment and not break anything. The second rule is to find out how far you can go without breaking the first. You both use type in your work in different ways, would you say words or images have a more profound impact on people? Edwin: I work collaboratively with lots of artist’s but rarely as dual author of the work. It’s been such an affirming process working with someone who’s so generous and confident in their practice. She also understands that lunch is an important meal, this I respect. I’m looking forward to working together again. Edwin: Ha! Sorry Polly, I just don’t know. I suspect they perform different functions. Ciara: Both can wield a lot of power. Edwin, Your work focuses a lot on the history of typography, including a recent exhibition in Glasgow titled “A potted history of the alphabet and its designs.” Do you find typography has universal associations or does it differ from culture to culture? How did you approach the selection process for this exhibition? Were there any specific things you were looking for? Ciara: We took a good look and chose the works that made us think or feel something. Edwin: Typefaces have associations which seem to vary a great deal from place to place. This is probably the same for the value placed upon knowledge of traditional skills, equipment and practices but interestingly it’s really rare for visitors to The Caseroom (letterpress workshop) at GSA to not be excited by being surrounded by 16 tonnes of metal type, wood type and printing presses despite the fact that the same workshop was very close to being scrapped by the institution only 15 years ago. I can only assume that our shared digital experience and screen time encourages a shared interest in typography and an instinctive draw towards alternative technologies. Ciara, you have made it clear through previous works and interviews that Corita Kent has been hugely inspirational to your work, are there any contemporary artists either of you have recently discovered which have also inspired you? Ciara: Phyllida Barlow, Andrea Büttner and Francis Upritchard. Edwin: My inspirations tend to come from writers, some designers, the materials that I work with and people I know, however over the last few years I’ve made a couple of things for Scott King and more recently had some discussions with the writer and artist Alasdair Gray. It probably doesn’t help a great deal but I find their work and attitudes hard to ignore when I’m unsure of how to proceed. A large part of both your work involves working collaboratively, including the Poster Club for you, Ciara. What has it been like working collaboratively with each other? And finally, If you could give your 18 year old self a piece of advice, what would it be? Ciara: The premise of this show, i.e. that I should ask someone that I have an educational relationship with to exhibit with me, seemed like the perfect opportunity to ask Edwin. I hugely admire the work that he does in the GSA’s Case Room and I’ve been trying to find a way to work with him for years. Thursday has been our day for listening to 90s tunes and making collaborative prints – I’ve learned a lot from Edwin and it has been an absolute pleasure! Ciara: Trust your instinct. Briggait, Glasgow (2011). (2013); O! AND OTHER LETTERS, The (2013); SANTORINI BIENNALE, Santorini (in association with GOMA), Glasgow THIS FLAG IS A HULL, The poetry club Mackintosh Gallery, Glasgow (2014); CONVOCATION: COLM CILLE’S SPIRAL, STAGE, Jerwood Space, London (2015), THE GRANTCHESTER POTTERY PAINTS THE ROOM, Southblock, Glasgow (2015); SHOW, Grafill, Oslo (2015); THE MAKING include FELLESVERKSTEDET STUDIO and works in Glasgow. Exhibitions School of Art (2005). He lives Communication from The Glasgow UK) has a BA (Hons) Visual Ciara Phillips (b.1976 Ottawa, Canada) currently lives in Glasgow. She has a BA in Fine Art from Queen’s University, Kingston, Canada and an MFA from The Glasgow School of Art (2004). In 2014 she was nominated for the Turner Prize. Solo exhibitions have been staged at Bergen Kunsthall (2014); Neues Museum Nürnberg (2013); The Showroom, London (2013); Inverleith House, Edinburgh (2013); OUTPOST, Norwich (2012); Galerie Gregor Staiger, Zürich (2012); Atelier am Eck, Düsseldorf (2010); and Washington Garcia Gallery, Glasgow (2009). Group exhibitions include Turner Prize 2014,Tate Britain,London; I Was a Double,Tang Museum,Saratoga Springs (2014); Generation, Scottish National Gallery of Modern Art, Edinburgh (2014); There Will Be New Rules Next Week, Dundee Contemporary Arts (2013); Pull Everything Out (with Corita Kent), Spike Island, Bristol (2012); Who Decides?, Stadtgalerie Mannheim (2012); Zwischenraum: Space Between, Kunstverein Hamburg (2010). Phillips is the founder of the artist collective Poster Club and is a lecturer in painting and printmaking at The Glasgow School of Art. Edwin Pickstone (b.1982 Manchester, Edwin: Be confident to explore further... Ruth Bingham-Hamilton (b.1994 York, Eleanor Elks Herrmannsen Interviewed by Zoe Pillar What is your motivation in choosing to explore everyday objects in your work? I really enjoy working with objects that we have some kind of repetitive relationship with in everyday life. Also, I am interested in the concept of ‘object recognition’: of how we become accustomed with these objects, their supposed function and how we should interact with them. I enjoy translating these simple objects into sculptural forms, and by doing this manipulating the viewers sense of familiarity and the connotations that certain materials and objects can hold. It is important to me that the forms in my work can be traced back to reality whilst also being in some kind of limbo between abstraction and recognition. I am also very interested in Wittgenstein’s theories on perception and language, and this has formed the basis for a lot of my thinking when making my work. Are the everyday occurrences explored within your work sought out or happened upon? They are happened upon accidentally, which is a really important experience for me. For Scaffolding I tried to respond to more than an aesthetic appreciation (the fabrics undulating movement, its richly saturated colouration), but also to my experience of it. I am not concerned with serving to particularly delight the viewer, but interested in the sharing of an experience and its psychological evocations- momentary wonder and briefly losing your self in that. However I am now constantly in a mode of noticing, where I find myself searching for similar occurrences. Collective, Glasgow. Glasgow; ‘Dangerous Nose’ Go Bang! Glasgow; ‘null’ The Old Hairdressers, ‘Yeah, You Like That?’ Fleming House, Night’ Ida Nowhere Gallery, Berlin; exhibitions include ‘Artist Short Film I would say that it is romanticised by not looking at the romantic. Simply by documenting even the most mundane parts of the everyday I am romanticising it, mediating a more stylised impression of it and elevating it to something I believe worthy of attention. Liberating its charm perhaps? The romanticism is integral to my practice because it speaks of my personal fascination with the everyday, and importantly not everyone else’s. Eleanor Elks Herrmannsen (b.1993 Would you describe your relationship with the everyday as romanticised or honest? London, UK) is currently studying What determines your choice of materials in relation to the objects you interpret? at Glasgow School of Art. Recent UK) is currently studying at Edinburgh College of Art. Recent exhibitions It quietly demands attention with regards to the viewer’s bending or repositioning. The installation of the film isn’t accessible from normal standing height; rather it necessitates a crouch, to lean over awkwardly or to sit on the ground. This in itself is interesting for me because it requires a level of decision making, deciding if you are going to give a bit of yourself to the film and dedicate a few minutes. Crouching operates in a strange liminal space between standing and sitting and often mirrors the awkward position I find myself in when filming, which perhaps brings the viewers experience of the film slightly closer to my first one. include ‘Shift & Spin’ Stanley Mills, The positioning of your work requires the viewer to bend or reposition themselves - what was your aim in creating an awkward relationship between the work and viewer? Perthshire; ‘Low Risk Occupiers’ St Fleeting everyday moments continually entrance me, but it is through a lens that I try to bring attention to what goes unnoticed. The process of directing a lens to what I see translates the experience in a manipulated or staged way. The initial momentary entrancement is lost, but a new perspective is gained. For example, the up-close abstraction of Scaffolding and subsequent removal of familiar association allows for a ‘gap’ to open where the viewer is able to work out what’s going on. Or more simply is pointed to the beautiful subtleties that occur in the periphery of our vision in a heightened way. Margaret’s House, Edinburgh; ‘Touchy Are you continually entranced by the everyday, or is it only through the lens of a camera that you are able to become so? Feely’ Edinburgh College of Art, Interviewed by Daisy Smith Edinburgh. Ruth Bingham-Hamilton The materials that I choose to work with are a very considered aspect of my work, chosen for a specific intention of manipulating the viewers preconceived distinction between reality and fiction / representation and truth. Often the material that I choose to work with stands in opposition to the function of the object they represent, creating a dichotomy within the objects represented. I’ve noticed that your work often communicates a subtle sense of playfulness. How important is humour in your work? I would say that my work is not intended to be overtly humorous, but is instead more playful. I use formal traditions and materials to question the function of sculpture in relation to the everyday, which could be seen as humorous as the deliberate mix of formal techniques with the banal sits awkwardly. Can you give an example of how you think your work has altered the environment in which it has been installed? I think that although the works can exist in their own right with their own titles, I like the works that I make to have a relationship and a dialogue with one another within the gallery space. Often the space in-between objects and works plays a vital role in the way it is intended to be viewed. It is significant to me that the work is re-made and installed each time in the gallery space, thereby creating a different relationship within the installation as well as the environment it inhabits. Tim Offredi Jake Krushell Interviewed by Rory Edmonds Interviewed by Eleanor Mottram When does your work develop from photograph into a sculptural form? Your work often deals with space and how we react to our environments, how do you begin to engage with and seek out an inspirational environment? The photographs initially are purely for documentation and a visual diary. The sculptural forms take place when a situation occurs within in the frame. It varies from work to work. Sometimes they are places that I have known of for a long time and therefore have a pre-existing relationship with them. With others it is more of an instinctive response to an environment, guided by its specific context or the history of the place. How conscious are you of that situation? Very conscious of the situation. What do you mean by ‘situation’ and are you conscious of it when taking the photograph? You often chose to explore the things in society that are unnoticed or redundant why do you think your interested in this, is it not just the ordinary? This could be an accident within the “urban” environment or an act of vandalism for example. Yes I am conscious of this act as this is what feeds Into the works. monthly film club and gallery space. Offredi is co-curator at 7DC, a Nose’ Go Bang! Collective, Glasgow. Nowhere Gallery, Berlin; ‘Dangerous be studying at Glasgow School of Art Jake Krushell (b.1994 Leeds, UK) is currently studying on BA (Hons) Fine Art, Goldsmiths, London. Recent and forthcoming exhibitions include an Instagram takeover at Paper journal; ‘Dangerous Nose’ Go Bang! Collective, Glasgow; ‘A Didactic Death’ DIG, London. Krushell is co-curator at 7DC, a monthly film club and gallery space, and founder of ‘Slide To Unlock’, a self published publication and online gallery featuring iPhone footage. www. It’s humorous but kind of serious at the same time. I think the work deals with elements of vandalism and is made with intent to vandalise in some cases. I wouldn’t say it a representation but more the physical labour of this act. The remains of human frustration within the space allows me to extract these gestures and keep producing. jakekrushell.com What is your attitude to the “urban” environment? Is your work vandalism? Or is it a representation of it, and what does it mean to you? Tim Offredi (b.1993 London, UK) will A failure in what sense? include ‘Artist Short Film Night’ Ida Is the accident, or act, a failure? next academic year. Recent exhibitions I’m attracted to things or objects within the urban environment that are often so banal and trivial that they blend into the background of our consciousness. Thus by highlighting and removing them from their broader contexts it accentuates the absurdity and humour of them. Do you feel the temporary nature of your work could be seen as a comment on the current art market and how we value art as a economic commodity? It could… but personally I don’t really see it like that. For me it’s more about the tension between presence and absence. My work with sound stems from a wider interest in the concept of ‘The Void’ and things that exist in the peripheries of our consciousness, occupying a kind of ‘in-between’ space. I like working with sound in a sculptural sense as something intangible to explore physical spaces. You mention your interest in the notion of how value “changes in relationship to the labour invested in it’”, this could be seen as a reference to Marx’s labour theory of value – has your work been informed by influences beyond art such as politics? I am primarily interested in the concept of value itself, how value is ascribed and ascertained, and the variying factors which affect this. There is a tension and contradiction between these two aspects of value which I try and explore within some of my work. Rather than referencing specific political theories, the work stands alone as commentary on the subject. Apolitical in itself, it is left open to the viewers interpretation. Gina Price Interviewed by Megan Pogson via text message so we have quite similar works in the sense of our interest in the blank white spaces of the studio, you work with heightening the details that usually would be dismissed,transferring the texture from that situation and space. I try and focus the attention on an area and the surrounding area just outside my drawing with an addition to drawing through sieves that create small detailed works. Sounds like were working in a really similar place, do you have any images of your work? Yeah, iv got a couple, wait a sec So id plan around the drawing and prep the wall or surface before starting Have you got any photographs of work you’ll be exhibiting? Its hard to see the detail in what iv been shown Yeah I see why we were matched, I always work with what was left behind. Like it a lot though. Il be installing mine next week, I’m inserting 24 carat gold leaf into all old marks in the flooring so iv only got images of when iv done it on walls before What’s the reason for the 24 carat gold? Is it there to make the marks more prominent, so the viewers apply their attention to just those marks? And yeye go for it id like to see them I like it, its so subtle Iv been looking at ideas of value in materials so filling in chips, cracks and other nuisances with gold to draw attention to them rather than have them overlooked Yeah, I kind of hoping they’ll barely be noticed I like making things that takes ages to make but can be so easily missed I think they will but when noticed it will be like woah how did I miss it kind thing? Did this start on your foundation year? Or progress from something else after? This is a reaction I would like I feel similar, for people to really look to see the process and what it is For sure started on foundation, I was really focused on the idea of white space and how white is used as a none colour like your not supposed to notice it And its just developed from there so I work from spaces to ‘show’ what’s there if that makes sense? I cant believe how similar our shit is, Sean picked the right person haha Yeah that makes sense, your pointing out the imperfections? Where abouts did you work when you were on foundation? Yeah that’s it I drew onto one of the plaster board walls all the texture with a pencil for my final piece Spent about two weeks up a ladder, took so long and I only got about a ¼ of the wall done I also cast a bit of wall, cut it out and put the plaster cast into the wall and filled the edges so you couldn’t really tell it was there Have you put up your final show yet? Oh I feel your pain completely, up a ladder for days drawing squares over and over That sounds so detailed I’m guessing you put a hell of a lot of time into it And currently doing that, my main piece is in situ on the surface of the studio anyway so not much installing work into the space Gave myself serious shoulder problems all In the name of art Dead arms Foot cramps Haha yeah I have a time/ value correlation with my work so the more time iv spent on a work the better I tend to think it is Yeah I still like to work like that too, when’s the show? Yeah that’s quite similar for most people I think and preview on the 21st then public view till the 28th What’s the purpose in the screen prints btw? Is the intention for the public/ viewers to take away a piece of your work from the exhibition? I think that’s how Id feel so they can leave with your work around at Wimbledon? Have they had any other insights on a concept? A few of us had a show last weekend and I got two people asking if I was Japanese Haha no way!! This was the work I had in Apparently looks very Japanese influenced Yeah I guess its the minimal aesthetic a lot of my work has Its something I don’t consciously try and do that I do really like Donald Judd and other kings of minimalism Hmm, maybe a little bit, Japanese artists are very minimal, how do you feel about the works that are in the show with you? Haha yeah that piece reminds me of Piero Manzonies work That sort of has ideas of value as well like the prints are barely visible but because you offer it as an ‘edition’ people want it So people would take them even if they weren’t sure what they were and they might even end up in the bin cause he print can be missed really easily Again I guess I like work that can be missed It was a bit juxtaposition with the other works in the show, the one next to it is a big fluoro cow print sack, I like that though the mix because the contrast works well The shit in the can.. Nah I’m joking yeah I can see that yeah seems to be a major factor in the intention of your work I agree I’d pick everything up at an exhibition/ gallery etc and I don’t really know why Cow print?! That’s a little different to yours haha And yeah contrast can be good, yours might be a little bit better lol Doubt I’l still be in leeds for the pv but I’l probably come into college when I’m up for the show Yeah me too like its no a critique more of an observation of playing around with it Yeah I see what you mean its like tempting people with something they don’t even know What readings have other people had on your work? Like people you work Hahaha I like your thinking Sorry I’m a little slow at replying I’m just eating my tea No worries I’m watching mad men Not been a fan of mad men haha Anyways do you think in the ling term you’l be doing similar work to now? Or could it all change? For now I think I’ve been playing with rubber and latex recently and planning some work with concrete but its always a similar subject Give it a year and who knows I might finally bore of staring at walls Maybe your works could become ‘gina price stared at this wall for 62 hours’ and sell for millions So is this moving away from small detailed areas and onto bigger works? Are they the main materials your working with atm? Philip Speakman exhibiting with yet? No Iv seen Tims and Elles One of Tims videos is so so good and Elles is the concrete pillar and paper that I love, very minimal Sweet well will be nice to meet you soon, thanks for doing this hope it was what you needed! Interviewed by Charlotte Hurst It sounds very interesting cant wait to see all the work Thanks for answering everything Il see you soon! I think you’ve just found my next work Gina Price (b.1993 London, UK) is Philip Speakman (b.1993 Norwich, UK) is currently studying at Central St Martins, London. Recent and forthcoming exhibitions include ‘K A P A D I A’ 11 Elthorn Rd, London; ‘Altered States’ Camden Arts, London; ‘The Road to Brainchild: A Walking Tour’ Brainchild Festival, Bentley Country Park; ‘BATTERY’ (pop-up), Ooh right okay, I think that on its own is powerful enough Yeah when its installed around the other works and how it will work with those Yeah I am yeah It will be nice to see it in the flesh Have you seen everyone’s work your London. hahaha its fine been nice to chat There’s only the gold leaf one in and I think the concept is but I don’t think I’l know if I’m actually happy with it until its installed You coming to the pv? currently studying at Wimbledon yeah I think your right, investing time into new materials with new ideas keeps you going What about the piece in your upcoming show? Will it be succesful? Don’t worry this can be the last question College of Art. Recent exhibitions Spend the rest of my degree staring at it Yeah I think so I’m getting a bit more ambitious with size and I enjoy getting to know a new material But I enjoy drawing the most but I think it keeps work a bit more exciting to do other things as well include ‘Tred Good Baby’ MMX Gallery, London. Hahaha Yes!! So first and foremostly, what is your work all about? The two pieces in the show are an extension of the work I began in Leeds. This was searching for The Horizon, which was a tragicomic pursuit of the sublime, the unobtainable and a find of Rousseauian state of nature. I began working on these two works last winter when I realised how seasonal my practice had become - filming and walking in summer, and working from the studio in winter. I’d got to a point where I was working almost exclusively with documentation. My thinking began to turn towards whether or not the work had to be grounded in a real world action, which in the mind of the viewer could exist in the same way as something fabricated. Why do you find this line between fiction and non-fiction interesting? It’s the cross over point where the two can bleed together, and reality can start to resemble fiction in whatever, weird, whimsical, romantic or ludicrous way. Werner Herzog’s ‘Fitzcarraldo’ is an important example – as to make this epic film, they actually did get a real tribe to pull a real boat over a mountain. So in the process of enacting this film, the fiction became reality which I love. Joshua Oppenheimer’s ‘The Act Of Killing’ does a similar thing but in almost the opposite way. I’m interested and engaged most with narratives. As something I find quite closely bound up with narratives, what made you first start walking? It was - and still is - a way of facilitating the opportunity for adventure. But the fact it’s walking brings a lot of really interesting ideas. As well as the possibility for it to function as a protest march, a pilgrimage, or even a ‘running away’, it’s the Rousseauian state of nature idea again… it’s a bit of Hobbit envy too. With so many literary figures linked to the act of walking, why Whittington? The Dick Whittington walk changed a lot. It was initially conceived as a way of exploring ‘the streets are made of gold’, and what this metaphor meant for creative opportunities against a backdrop of rising house prices and gentrification. But I realised I was kidding myself, and this geopolitical angle didn’t interest me. Really I just wanted to dress up as a cat and do a big walk - more Monty Python than Patrick Keiller. That realisation helped a lot though as it repositioned the focus of the work to consider the nature of folk tales as aural traditions. If you could go back to the start of your foundation, what advice would you give yourself? Be honest and admit your interest in ridiculous notions like adventure. Also - start building an ark, you’re going to need it. Is film a medium you find useful then? Is that your next project then? I’m more interested with it as a method of documentation than as a material. But in general I’m definitely more influenced by literature and film than art works. It’s only recently I’ve realised Yeah, but also as a message sent through time I reckon is pretty suitably esoteric and apocalyptic… the sort of thing you expect of a message from the future. + Ciara Phillips & Edwin Pickstone Doubles Series: various dimensions gold leaf Gina Price, 2015 Gold Chip Leeds LS9 7EH Patrick Studios St. Mary’s Lane at East Street Arts blip blip blip mail@blipblipblip.co.uk +44 [0] 113 248 0040 blipblipblip.co.uk Interim Ruth Bingham-Hamilton, Eleanor Elks Herrmannsen, Jake Krushell, Tim Selected by Ciara Phillips & Edwin Offredi, Gina Price, Philip Speakman Pickstone 14/05/15 - 29/05/15