Spring 2009 - British V8
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Spring 2009 - British V8
http://www.britishv8.org/British-V8-Current-Issue.htm MGB GT V8 Racers Meet at Virginia International Raceway (photo: Curtis Jacobson) BritishV8 Magazine - Current Issue - Table of Contents Covering News & Events from January through June 2009 (Volume 17, Issue 1) 734 pages, 1342 photos Main Editorial Section (including this table of contents) In the Driver's Seat 53 pages, 97 photos by Curtis Jacobson Triumph TR3 plus 4 (part 2) by Randy Schultz Valve Job Basics by Greg Myers All About PCV Systems by Jim Blackwood How To: Install Rear Disc Brakes on a TR6 New and Improved Chassis for Triumph TR6 by Don Watson by Curtis Jacobson Please support the sponsoring companies who make BritishV8 possible, including: Special Section: Factory and Costello MGB V8's (part 4) 53 pages, 58 photos MGB-GT-V8 Prototype Number 096 by Clive Wagerfield MGB GT V8 Parts Catalog (Moss Motors) University Motors' MGB GT V8 Ad (University Motors UK) MGB GT V8 (Classic Car) A Tale of Two Vees (Classic Car) Classic Choice: MGB GT V8 (Thoroughbred and Classic) Special Racing Section: (part 1) Experience Matters - A Racer's Dream Car 365 pages, 677 photos MGB GT V8: Buy It, Install Engine, Go Racing Physics Teacher Demonstrates Newton's Second Law by Philip Herrick A Close-Up Look at One of the Great Can-Am Cars by Curtis Jacobson A Close-Up Look at One of the Great Formula 5000 Cars by Curtis Jacobson NOJ 391 Replica: Bill Thumel's Austin Healey 100 by Curtis Jacobson Speedy Service: Elva Couriers Deliver Victories by Curtis Jacobson When Less is More: 1300 Pounds of Marcos Magic MG's EX186 Prototype: The Ultimate "Modified" MGA by Curtis Jacobson Kent Prather's Six Time SCCA National Championship Winning MGA The B-Stingers Race Team's MGB Vintage Racer The Marcus Jones / Don Munoz MGB Racecar John Targett's MGB Racecar Alan Tosler's MGB Racecar When More is Better: Pre-War Morgan Gets a Fourth Wheel by Curtis Jacobson Enjoying this online magazine? BritishV8 is funded through the generous support of readers like you! To contribute to our operating budget, please click here and follow the instructions. (Suggested contribution is twenty bucks per year. Feel free to give more!) "How It Was Done" Articles: 263 pages, 510 photos #230 Mike Alexander (Richmond VA, 73 MG MGB, Buick 215 V8, T5 5-speed) #231 Graham Bingham (Derbyshire UK, 74 Triumph Spitfire, Rover 3.5 V8, LT77 5-speed) #232 #233 Richard Bondy Brad Chapman (Northville MI, 61 Austin Healey Sprite, Ford 2.0L I4 EFI, T9 5-speed) (Bicton Australia, 75 MG MGB-GT, Rover 3.5 V8, Toyota 5-speed) BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/British-V8-Current-Issue.htm #234 Scott Costanzo (Dublin OH, 68 MG MGB, GM 3.1 V6 EFI, T5 5-speed) #235 Joe Curry (Sahuarita AZ, 63 Triumph Spitfire, Honda 2.0L I4 EFI, Honda 6-speed) #236 James Englehart (Ault CO, 67 MG MGB, Buick 231 V6, T50 5-speed) #237 #238 Bryant Ercanbrack BobHertz (Eagle Mountain UT, 64 MG MGB, Ford 289 V8, 4-speed) (Seattle WA, 79 MG MGB, Ford 302 V8, Tremec 5-speed) #239 Laurie Houghton (Adelaide Australia, 73 MG MGB, Rover 3.9L V8, Toyota 5-speed) #240 Dave Kirkman (Indianapolis IN, 80 MG MGB, Ford 302/342 V8, Tremec 5-speed) #241 Wayne Kube (Plano TX, 79 MG MGB, Rover 3.9L V8 EFI, T5 5-speed) #242 #243 Ian Osborne Bernie Posey (Dorset UK, 54 Austin Healey 100, Chevy 383 V8, TKO600 5-speed) (Elyria OH, 79 MG MGB, Rover 3.9L V8, T5 5-speed) #244 Mike Reynolds (Beaumont Alberta, 74 Triumph Spitfire, Chevy 4.3/4.8 V6, 200-4R auto) #245 Wayne Rippy (Summerton SC, 74.5 MG MGB GT, Olds 215 V8, LT77 5-speed) #246 #247 Steve Sanett Mike Sullivan (Chatsworth CA, 62 Daimler SP-250, Chevy 427 V8, T10 4-speed) (Chesapeake VA, 85 Marcos Mantula, Rover 3.5 V8 EFI, LT77 5-speed) BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) British V8 Home: Read the Magazine Photo Gallery Web Forum Annual Meets Contact Us Site Map Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/Drivers-Seat-XVII-1.htm (the editor's car) In The Driver's Seat (Volume XVII Issue 1, January - June 2009) by: Curtis Jacobson You're reading the one and only car magazine that's focused on serious performance upgrades for classic British sports cars. We also feature British cars that originally came with V8 engines. Our mission is to provide a diverse range of quality content: entertaining, educational, technical, and inspirational. Other websites and magazines "sell the sizzle", but we serve the whole steak. We use as many large, close-up photos as it takes to tell each story completely. Our niche of the British car hobby isn't the largest, but it's by far the most vibrant and the fastest growing. The term "resto-mod" describes it: today's enthusiasts want to combine classic styling with modern performance, and they demand modern reliability. I wrote in my last "Driver's Seat" column that bundling articles together makes a lot more sense for a printed newsletter than it does for a huge, free, online resource. It clearly makes sense to redesign this website so articles can be published continuously throughout the year - rewarding readers with more timely articles - but I haven't found time to implement that change yet. So, here we have yet another oversized bundle of articles that's far too large for anyone to read and digest in one sitting: 45 articles and over 1300 color photos! Frankly, this edition of BritishV8 is extremely overdue... so without further ado we're going to "publish" it. Coverage of two important events: our annual meet and the historic gathering of MGB GT V8 race cars at Virginia International Raceway - both which occurred in June - will have to be delayed a little longer.. BritishV8 2009 June 7 - 10 Durham, NC Full coverage of this year's annual meet will be published soon. I'll just give you a quick summary here. Meeting coordinators Max Fulton and Emily Turner delivered a fantastically packed schedule of exciting and unique activities. Everything on the agenda went off without hitch. Our time was filled from Sunday evening though Wednesday night. We enjoyed informative Tech Sessions plus a "show and tell" session where we got a nice variety of conversions onto the car lifts at Flying Circus English Cars. We continued from there to a chassis dynomometer where many of us tested and quantified the performance of our cars. (A few of us discovered ways to improve our tuning on the dyno.) We also toured a truly top-flight machine shop and a race car prep shop. As a bonus, some of us snuck in a tour of a vintage race car restoration shop. Most of our group enjoyed an afternoon of karting at Virginia International Raceway's go-cart track. There were various dining and socializing events, and we wrapped things up with particularly wonderful closing banquet and auction. Again, full coverage of BritishV8 2009 is forthcoming. Five MGB GT V8 racecars recently met at Virginia International Raceway Stay tuned to BritishV8 for full coverage of this historic development. Announcing www.BritishRaceCar.com! I was interested in making some suspension modifications on my MGB, and I wondered how MGB racers had addressed the problem. A careful internet search revealed that there is no website anywhere in the world that shows a broad cross-section of British race cars as methodically as BritishV8 shows British hot rods. BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/Drivers-Seat-XVII-1.htm Why not extend Kurt Schley's "How It Was Done" methodology to race cars? BritishRaceCar.com is a brand new website with exactly that purpose. We'll "present British race cars in greater technical detail than you'll find elsewhere. Some pithy historical notes for context... but British Racecar is really all about design and construction, and especially about how cars have been modified for racing." I'm confident existing BritishV8 readers will enjoy our new sister website, and that BritishRaceCar.com will help BritishV8 reach more readers, advertisers, and enthusiasts too. The BritishV8 Forum Continues its Remarkable Growth How big is the BritishV8 message board? Already, over 10,000 messages have been posted on over 1300 topics, and over 500 different registered users have participated in these discussions. Why is our forum growing so fast? Yes, frankly, the BritishV8 message board is easier to use than many other forums. Yes, frankly, it does do a better job of displaying photos. However, the fundamental reason for our forum's success is its community: more friendly, more helpful, more diverse, and more universally enthusiastic about radical performance upgrades to classic British sports cars. Enjoying this online magazine? BritishV8 is funded through the generous support of readers like you! To contribute to our operating budget, please click here and follow the instructions. (Suggested contribution is twenty bucks per year. Feel free to give more!) BritishV8 is a Volunteer Effort BritishV8 Magazine and website represent the work of many people. Please take a moment to reflect on all the folks who've contributed articles, photos, and information. The website couldn't thrive without them. Many thanks are also due to all the financial supporters who have voluntarily chipped in funds to help us keep meet expenses. If it weren't for their support, we'd certainly have to sell subscriptions (and that would severely limit our ability to reach new enthusiasts.) A full and up-to-date listing of financial supporters can always be found here: V.I.P. Contributor List. Now More Than Ever: PLEASE THANK OUR VENDOR SPONSORS! The biggest portion of our operating budget comes from advertisers. Our vendor sponsors are businessmen, and they NEED to KNOW their advertising investments are returning meaningful exposure and good will. They'll believe it when they hear it from customers like you. Every single one of our sponsors is friendly, knowledgeable, and will help you with anything they can. Now I've said this before but I'll say it again: to improve the performance of your car, pick up your telephone and start asking BritishV8 sponsors what cool stuff they've got. They're continuously developing and introducing new products. It's remarkable how much of their best stuff is under-advertised. "Click" on their ads! Call them. Ask questions. Here's the contact info you need: BritishV8's Handy Vendor Directory! NEW ADVERTISERS RETURNING ADVERTISERS BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/Drivers-Seat-XVII-1.htm Are you in the British sports car performance trade? Y ou should be listed here too! (Here's info about advertising.) BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) British V8 Home: Read the Magazine Photo Gallery Web Forum Annual Meets Contact Us Site Map Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/TR3-Plus-4-part2.htm Randy Schultz's Triumph TR3 Plus 4 Project, Part 2 as published in BritishV8 Magazine, Volume XVII Issue 1, July 2009 by: Randall Schultz It's finally finished! After logging over 2800 hours, it's hard to believe there is now actually an automobile where there was none before. After the countless hours of designing, fabricating, and assembling, all that's left is to actually drive and enjoy the finished product. In an earlier BritishV8 Magazine article, I documented the majority of the build of my TR3 Plus 4. (The "Plus 4" part came about because I cut a Triumph TR3 body down the center and widened it four inches so it would fit on a later TR6 frame and accomodate both the TR6's rack-and-pinion steering and its independent rear suspension.) This article is about the final details. It picks up where the first article concludes. I've tried to focus on things that might be useful to others who are starting their own major projects. So, where does "part two" of the story logically start? The Nissan engine fired up instantly. However, the first installation problem showed up almost as instantly. The return line from the fuel injection system to the tank was located too close to the suction line of the charcoal canister, which instantly became fuel logged. After replacing the canister and re-routing the canister connection point to the fuel tank, that problem was solved. BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/TR3-Plus-4-part2.htm Please support the sponsoring companies who make British V8 possible, including: Getting an aftermarket (Classic Instruments) speedometer to work with the Nissan PCM was a challenge too. The speedometer is designed to work with a simple digital pulse generator, located on the transmission. I initially assumed that the Nissan PCM could use the same signal, but in fact it requires a differently "conditioned" signal from what the gauge expects to see. A friend who teaches this stuff at a local technical college saved the day. We mocked the whole thing up using a drill press turning at a known RPM driving the pulse generator, connected to the gauge, also connected to a digital readout of the pulse waves. This is how we discovered the original pulse to the Nissan's PCM was not the same as the pulse delivered to the gauge. Our solution was to strip out the original PC board from the Nissan gauge cluster and connect it in parallel with the aftermarket speedometer. People who see the completed project rarely realize the research and development involved! Come to think of it, there were a couple other challenging engine installation details to work out. When I reversed the oil pan (see previous article) I realized that the position of the dipstick would no longer work, because it now pointed to the low end of the pan. Because the dipstick runs through the engine block, I knew I had an issue. Drilling the block for a new location for the dipstick was not going to be an option, so I decided to connect an external tube to the side of the reversed pan near the bottom of the pan. Oil in the pan would obviously be the same level in the tub, and this became the new home for a slightly modified-length dipstick. Putting in the exact capacity oil in the crankcase, seeing where it came to on the dipstick and making a line on the stick indicating "full" was all I needed. BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/TR3-Plus-4-part2.htm On the engine's induction side, I designed an aluminum air-box to house the engine air filter and serve as a connection point for the MAF ("mass airflow") sensor. Since space was really tight for this, the only point where the MAF could join the air box was at a corner. To make it even more challenging, the MAF sensor wanted a round mount section, and the corner of the planned box was square. I needed to map out the point of intersection where the round tube met the square corner. My solution was to construct a simple shop-built layout tool specifically for the job. I took a length of the same tubing I planned to use for the actual part, surrounded it with as many sixteenth inch welding rod pieces as it took to go around its circumferance, and secured the rods in place with a couple of rubberbands. The rods extended past the end of the tube by a few inches. Holding the tube at the angle and location that I wanted to make the connection, I simply pushed the whole affair into the corner of my cardboard mock-up. The rods slid to conform with the mating surface, and it was easy to trace out the contour of the intersection on the three surfaces that comprised the corner of the box. Very accurate cut-lines efficiently facilitated a tight connection. With no gaps greater than one sixteenth of an inch, it was easy to TIG weld the parts together. On the engine's other side, I had to create a unique exhaust downpipe arrangement. I used the original manifold for space reasons, plus I used the first six inches of Nissan's original downpipe (which included the bung for the 02 sensor). As is always the case, the required bends to thread from "here" to "there" were a bit crazy. BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/TR3-Plus-4-part2.htm Custom flex-tube tool for exhaust system layout. The tape wraps indicate cut-lines for planned welded joints. Again, the solution started with a special shop-built layout tool. I went down to the local hardware store and bought three feet of water pipe insulation wrap for one inch pipe. I then removed the flex pipe from our shop's parts cleaner solvent tank - it's the pipe that the solvent comes out of. It can be bent to any configuration required and stay put. (Like a gooseneck lamp... there must be a name for this stuff!) Next, I pushed the flex tube through the insulation wrap. Presto! The result was a flexible header pipe that's prefect for mock-ups. The outside diameter worked especially nicely because I could stick one end into the existing downpipe end and model the rest as required. The next two photos show the completed custom exhaust downpipe as finally installed. I had both the manifold and the downpipe ceramico coated; the finish looks great plus it's supposed to lower the surface temperature by as much as 300 F. Note the self-adhesive mastic sounddeadening sheeting applied to the body in strategic places. I learned that the stuff that performs well also costs the most. The collector pipe had to go through the frame. I knew this from the early stages of the project, and had cut the elliptical holes way back. To retain the strength of the frame rail, I inserted and welded-in a formed metal pass-thru tube. The collector is welded directly to stainless flex pipe that is wrapped for heat control. The rest of the exhaust is hard-mounted and passes through the frame two more times on its way to the rear muffler. BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/TR3-Plus-4-part2.htm Incidentally, you can also see the rear brake proportioning valve mounted on the frame rail. This valve allows front versus rear brake bias to be adjusted with the turn of a knob. I have this mounted to the frame rail, and the knob emerges just above the carpet on the driver's side floor. That brings us to the driver's compartment... (For more information about the brake system, see below.) I used Porsche 914 seats because they're well-made, lightweight, and narrow enough to fit into tight spaces. However, they gave me problems: their integrated headrests looked too modern for my car plus they didn't allow racecar-style dual shoulder belts to pass through. I removed the upholstery and cut the fiberglass headrests off the Porsche seat frames. At a local junkyard, I found removable headrests from a Nissan Quest that looked like they might integrate with the styling and functionality I was after. I built a mounting tube assembly and riveted it to the fiberglass frames, prior to having the seats reupholstered. Grommets at the top of the re-worked seats facilitate headrest BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/TR3-Plus-4-part2.htm removal, and racing shoulder belts pass through neatly. Now, the headrests can be adjusted, and they can even be removed for installation of a tonneau cover. I didn't have to add ugly bulges to the tonneau cover! I saved a lot of money making my own patterns for the carpeting. I asked the owner of the upholstery company if I could do this and he replied: "as long as they fit!" Well no one else cares as much that they do as me, so off I went. I used brown paper from a 36" roll and made my patterns to fit edge to edge and butts at all corners. The carpet guy said he would decide what overlapped what and by how much. When I was finished he came and checked out my work. After checking every piece for fit he told me I was hired. We used snaps to hold all the horizontal pieces down, so they can easily be removed after an unexpected rainstorm or for service. Enjoying this article? Our magazine is funded through the generous support of readers like you! To contribute to our operating budget, please click here and follow the instructions. (Suggested contribution is twenty bucks per year. Feel free to give more!) One product I've used extensively throughout this project is 1/8" perforated aluminum sheet. This sheet is available with various combinations of hole-size and spacing, but the options are all 1/8" thick. I used the perforated sheet between the trunk and seating area, for the speaker grille panels and the subwoofer grille, for the dash center and heater grille, for the accelerator pedal scuff panel, and the glove box. It's a soft alloy that cuts easily on a table saw with a carbide blade, or on a band saw with a skip-tooth blade, and it sands easily too. The holes provide easy opportunities for mounting the panels. Did I mention I love this product? The only challenge is how to trim cut edges for a finished appearance. My solution was to take engine vacuum tubing and carefully cut along the length to create inexpensive, custom, flexible rubber trim. I simply glue the trim to the edge of the panel using weatherstrip adhesive. This works very well, but can be a bit messy until you get the hang of it. BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/TR3-Plus-4-part2.htm I really enjoyed designing and making a subwoofer box for the audio system. I selected two 8" drivers, and I decided to build a ported enclosure for efficiency. From the published specifications of the drivers, I calculated the optimal volume for the enclosure. (By optimizing enclosure volume and port size, low frequency sound from the port is phased to reinforce the bass output of the drivers. Ported subwoofers can thus be made louder than similarly sized closed box subwoofers. However, to do the job right you need to know the natural frequency of whatever drivers you use.) My first plan was to build a removable speaker enclosure and attach it behind the fuel tank. I had the room, as mentioned in the previous article, having re-located the tank closer to the seats by in-filling the bodywork and turning the tank 180 degrees. This mod gave me another 12 inches of trunk space. The issue was that I really hated to give it up for a subwoofer box! The solution was to BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/TR3-Plus-4-part2.htm use part of the spare tire compartment to create the sub volume. In the TR3, the spare tire lives in its own space, just under the trunk floor, but completely separate from it. I determined the size of the sub's front panel based on calculating the volume of the spare tire cavity and matching it to the required volume for the subs. This panel was cut out and replaced with a 3/4" aircraft plywood panel mounted under the trunk floor panel. This was sealed and screwed-down from the top. The drivers were flush mounted in the panel and covered with a grille. The required dimensions of the sub still allowed for about 8 inches of space for storage of items such as the jack, oil, and - you guessed it - a can of "Fix-a-Flat". The division between the two spaces was another carefully fitted and sealed piece of aircraft plywood. Anyone using any form of wood in builds should be sure to seal all surfaces with durable coatings, not just visible surfaces. I wanted a remote/hidden trunk release that could be actuated from inside the car. The wrecking yard once again provided a neat solution. Many early to mid-90's Honda models use a cable-operated trunk lid release mechanism. A keyed lock is part of the release mechanism inside the car. It's very cool, and totally adaptable to custom applications. I mounted the Nissan PCM on the passenger foot-well. The wiring harness runs from the main breaker panel to the rear of the car through this area too, so I considered making a protective aluminum cover for these components. However, I was concerned aluminum wouldn't match the rest of the car's interior. BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/TR3-Plus-4-part2.htm The vacuum-formed panel is 1/8" thick black ABS plastic with a gloss "hair cell" finish on one side. My solution was to make a formed panel from rugged one eighth inch thick ABS plastic. I borrowed a vacuum-forming machine for the job, and made a mold in the shape I wanted out of wooden blocks attached to plywood. Using putty, these blocks were filleted where they met the board. I drilled a series of eighth inch holes through the base-board about one half inch apart near these filleted corners. The board was sealed onto a vacuum box mounted underneath. The heated ABS sheet was then placed over the form, held by a perimeter framework. The vacuum machine allows the entire form and vacuum box to be raised up and into the softened plastic at the same time that vacuum is applied. Excess material was then trimmed off and the panel fitted in place. I'm happy with the result, and would encourage others to experiment with these techniques. I constructed the male wooden form shown here. You can see the drilled holes that the vacuum pulls through. About 7 degrees of draft angle is built-in so that molded parts can be pulled out of the mold. (Note: the part has been removed, trimmed, and placed back in the mold for the photos shown at right.) Vacuum forming machines are relatively simple and can be built at home. I imagine using a modified electric stove for the heat source and building a roll out rack to clamp the heated ABS sheet. A vacuum pump with about 20 inches of vacuum is needed, as is a way to raise the mold up into the softened plastic as the vacuum is applied. Vacuum forming materials are purchased in flat sheets. They're available in a wide range of thicknesses, colors, materials, and finishes. I'm sure vacuum forming would be a great process for many interior molding details. BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/TR3-Plus-4-part2.htm I had a lot of issues getting ride height and fender well clearance just right. I ended up with custom springs that have worked out well. I'm using stock 15" Nissan 240SX alloy wheels with Yokohama "S Drive" 195-55R performance radials. I wanted a taller tire, but I couldn't find one that offered comparable performance, so from my aesthetic point of view the car is too low by about an inch. The easiest fix would be a taller tire, as I have enough clearance in the fender openings. I could potentially use a larger wheel, but I really don't like the current trend of driving on rubber bands! On the road the car handles much like a set-up Triumph TR6, which it is. The stiffer springs and shocks, as well as the large front sway bar really flatten out body roll. The adjustable rear camber set-up by Richard Goodparts works really well and setting it up was absolutely easy. This system also allows for slight changes to ride height by equal adjustments at o both points. The shorter front springs did not allow me to get exactly the front geometry I wanted. I was after 3/4 negative o o camber and even with all the lower control arm shims out, my front camber was still a little too negative at 1.2 . I wanted 3 o caster, but had to settle for 2.2 . The TR6 front suspension doesn't allow for big changes, and the only way to get more out of it would have been to design and make an adjustable upper control arm mounting system. Perhaps down the road... The solid steering rack blocks I made up did exactly what they were supposed to do: they translate road feel back to the steering wheel. The Bilstein custom rear shocks by work great too (and the shop that provided them was quick and easy to work with.) The brake system works very well too! Frankly, the TR3 Plus Four has a whole lot of braking capacity for such a light vehicle: as shown in some detail in the previous article, Toyota Four-Runner front brakes squeeze Toyota Cressida vented rotors, and Nissan 240SX disc brakes are installed at the rear. What about the rest of the brake system? This unusual brake pedal mechanism kept pedal effort (i.e. mechanical advantage ratio), pedal stroke, and master cylinder piston travel all similar to stock. A Mazda Miata master cylinder and a Suzuki Swift booster are actuated with a custom pedal linkage. As shown earlier in this article, a Summit Racing proportioning valve is accessible from the driver seat. It acts on the rear brake circuit, and facilitates tuning of front-to-rear brake bias on the fly (for example, to accomodate a change in fuel load or adapt for wet road surfaces.) BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/TR3-Plus-4-part2.htm parking brake cables Nissan differential on custom fabricated mounts, with adapter plates that mate to regular TR6 halfshafts. Acceleration is brisk. The Nissan KA24 engine has a lot of bottom end torque, and it's not afraid to rev up to the mid 6000's. The engine's power is delivered very smoothly in comparison to the original Triumph tractor engine, and the 5-speed Nissan transmission is wonderfully smooth too. The car gets a lot of attention on the road. I need to rehearse some fast answers to what are becoming popular questions. What do you say when people ask "What kind of a car is that?" or says "I used to have one just like that!" How about: "It's so nice to see one of these restored back to original." Should I make or break their day? BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/TR3-Plus-4-part2.htm My conclusion is that we are building hybrids. With this term now applied through popular culture with respect to multi power sources within the same vehicle, the real definition of the word has been clouded. And besides hybrid sounds so much better than bastard! Hybrid \ˈhī-brəd\ n. 1: a crossbred animal or plant; an offspring of two different breeds, genera or varieties. This article is part two of a two-part series! If you enjoyed this article, you'll enjoy its predecessor: Randy Schultz's Triumph "TR3 Plus 4" Project, Part 1 Disclaimer: This page was researched and written by Randall Schultz. Views expressed are those of the author, and are provided without warrantee or guarantee. Apply at your own risk. Photos by Randall Schultz for the BritishV8 Magazine. All rights reserved. British V8 Home: BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) Read the Magazine Photo Gallery Web Forum Annual Meets Contact Us Site Map Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/Basic-Valve-Job.htm Basic Valve Job as published in BritishV8 Magazine, Volume XVII Issue 1, July 2009 by: Greg Myer The head is one of the most important areas of an engine in terms of performance. A good valve job is critical for whatever you want out of your motor, whether it's better fuel economy, power, or just plain reliability. After years of use, for the valves to work at their designed capacity or better, a good bit of work must be done. There are a number of steps that must be taken, and several ways to do each of them. Some ways are better than others and some heads require special treatment. After removing the heads, they need to be disassembled. You can do this in your garage if you have a valve spring compressor. You'll need a compressor designed for the type of head you're working on. An inexpensive lever style or a C-clamp style will work on many standard V8's: Ford, Chevy, Buick, or Rover. Late model overhead cam heads require something different. If you like, the machine shop of your choice can remove the valves and also reassemble your heads after machine work is complete; all you'll need to do is torque them back on. Please support the sponsoring companies who make British V8 possible, including: BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/Basic-Valve-Job.htm After dissassembly, the next order of business is cleaning the heads. Cast iron heads can be put in a hot tank of strong chemicals. Tanks for aluminum are available in some shops. They use less heat and different chemicals, so as not to damage anything. Other types of cleaning can be done too. Cleaning machines that throw shot on the head seems to work very well. Next comes checking the heads for cracks. Again there are various ways of proceeding. Cast iron heads can be magnafluxed: a strong magnetic field is created and will cause the powder to collect in any crack, making it quite visible. Neat! Aluminum can be checked with one of several methods. There are usually three or four steps involved. First a special cleaner is used, then a penetrating dye is applied, and next a developer. Some of these will produce results in plain room light, while most require a black light, or ultra-violet. If a crack is found, find out your options. Most cracks extend from one valve seat to the next. Will a new set of hardened seats fix it? If not, and you are working on a set of standard, easy to obtain heads, it may be prudent to start over. Ford and Chevy heads fall into this category, unless they are specialty, aftermarket heads. Aluminum heads can be welded and remachined. This could, however, get expensive depending on the proper way to proceed. Many cast iron heads will need to heated in an oven first and welded while hot. This can be tricky, and while I've had it done, I would only let someone with plenty of experience attempt it. In my case it was for a heavily ported 4 cylinder head that was from a factory turbocharged application. Not easily replaced. We had excellent results. If you are unsure of any area of your heads, have them pressure tested. Better to find out now than after they are installed and the motor is in the car. Now on to the machining process... Before the seats are touched, the guides must be established as correct. They must be both the proper inside dimension, centered and not out of round at either end. The latter is sometimes the case as the rockers have a tendency to push the valve stem away when acting on it. Guides with a little wear can be knurled and reamed to size. Guides may also be pressed out or drilled out, depending on type, and new ones pressed in and reamed to size. The reaming is critical as quite often the guide is made out of round by the press. Several materials are available for the new guides; however bronze is far and away the favorite. If you have decided to use smaller stemmed racing valves, the machinist needs to know as the guides he puts in must have the smaller diameter. These valves weigh less and are under-cut and swirl polished allowing better breathing through the port. Less weight here means valve springs will not be stressed as much and can contribute to higher RPM's as well. Very well indeed, but be prepared to foot a higher bill for the parts. The reason the guides are established before other machine work is done is because most valve seat work is centered on the guides. If they're not right the seats may be off center or otherwise inaccurate. BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/Basic-Valve-Job.htm Cutting the seats is critical to the whole job! There are various types of cutters and valve grinders. The key is the man who does the job. He must make sure of each step and check that everything fits and matches. I have an older Black & Decker unit that uses cutting stones. I need a number of stones to cover all the diameters of valves as larger stones won't fit in the combustion chamber of a smaller head. Also, there are several types of stones manufactured to cope with the materials that need to be ground. Cast iron use the standard, relatively less expensive stones whereas the stones to cut stellite seat inserts require a tougher composition and are therefore more expensive. I also need one each of three cutting angles for all diameters of valves. OK, I need a bunch of stones! Newer head machines can do a multitude of tasks within a short period of time, so turn around on jobs is quicker. These machines vary in design, some even being controlled by computers, making repeatable results easy to obtain. How fast are they? This Rottler machine (above), as demonstrated by Harry Clark at the Salisbury, Maryland NAPA machine shop, can grind 3 angles on all the seats in a set of V8 heads and pressure test them in 10 minutes! Why isn't it finishing these Cleveland heads right now? They are waiting on a few guides to be delivered. Even great machines depend on many other factors. This machine can also drill the guides so new ones can be pressed in and then cut the tops of the guides for whatever type of seal you prefer. It can tap the rocker stud bore for screw-in studs as well as cut it shorter. To do this requires speed control of the drill head. This can be lowered to 40 RPM for tapping. It cuts seats for standard inserts and then cuts the angles. All of this is controlled by the operator after the machine's electronic leveler establishes positioning. This particular machine has a "Bowl Hog" attachment for opening up the throat of the port when larger valves are being installed. Want one for your garage? I sure do, but at about $ 30,000, depending on attachments, it's going to have to wait. BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/Basic-Valve-Job.htm When you take your heads in for work, if you bought special parts, take them along as well as any printed instructions that came with them. The machinist needs to know any special requirements to make these pieces fit and function properly. This example (at right) sitting on the bench at NAPA is from Ford Racing. It provides specs for cutting and tapping the rocker stud bores on a Cleveland style head. Enjoying this article? Our magazine is funded through the generous support of readers like you! To contribute to our operating budget, please click here and follow the instructions. (Suggested contribution is twenty bucks per year. Feel free to give more!) This head (at left) on Bill Cannon's head table shows Dykem Blue dye used to keep close track of the various machining operations. Dye is available in various colors and in spray or brush on depending on what is being done and which material is being machined. Note also the gasket surface. These may corrode or gall. A cleanup pass on the surfacer is called for. To raise compression, at times, more material is removed the decrease the size of the combustion chamber. This is an effective way of gaining compression if your engine doesn't have a wide selection of pistons available or you are a half point lower then your targeted ratio. If the heads are surfaced more than a small amount the intake manifold gasket surfaces will need to be surfaced as well because the you have lowered the overall height and the manifold won't match up. Quite possibly there will be a serious vacuum leak. The amount will not be the same as taken off the deck. It can be determined by a graph that the machine shop has. When assembling your engine it's always good to check the manifold to head match. At this time the tops of the valve guides may be machined for Teflon seals if they are to be used. The rocker arm stud boss may also be machined and tapped for screw-in studs, if applicable. In the picture, in the rear, there is a guide cutting tool. It has the diameter and depth established so the machinist can't mess this up. The tool is on the right, a freshly machined guide top is to its left and a Teflon seal is sitting between them. Closer to us is the rocker stud cutting tool. Again, the depth is set. The studs need to be pulled first, as the stock one laying there has been. After machining the boss down, the hole must be tapped and then the new heavy duty stud screwed in. If the hole goes into the water jacket a sealant MUST be used. The pushrod slot may need to be lengthened if a high lift cam and/or rocker arms of great than stock ratio are part of your game plan. In fact, it's wise to spend the time and a few extra dollars now so it's easy to upgrade later. Playing with various ratio rockers can be eye-opening, both for power and mileage, although not at the same time. BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/Basic-Valve-Job.htm Next are the valves themselves. The diameter of the stem must be within specs as well as the length. Some valves will wear on top due the lack of oil between them and the rocker arm. This affects the geometry of the valve train. Some valves use lash caps which can be easily replaced if worn. Once these dimensions are established the surface that mates to the seats needs to be ground smooth at exactly the right angle. This usually is the same as the seat. Most are 45°; however some manufacturers specify a one degree interference cut. Others indicate different angles depending on their research with flow benches or for longevity concerns. For example, for years Pontiac specified a 45° face on their exhaust valves but a 30° on all intakes. Starting in 1964, that changed to 44° and 29° respectively. Don't ask me why; just be sure to check the book. Aluminum Buicks all called for 45° on both intakes and exhausts. Used valves that are "burned" are not usable. This can show up to the naked eye as pie-slice splits in the valve. If you have any like this, toss them. Some burned valves can be more difficult to detect. The face area may be badly burned and it will take turning it in the valve face machine before it shows up. The valve will cut on part of the face, but not all. The machinist may try to continue cutting, but that will reduce the margin too much. The margin is a major concern. This is the area on the outside circumference of the valve head, parallel to the stem. Cutting the face will reduce this measurement. If the margin is too small, the valve will burn in short order. If your machinist is concerned with this area you would be well advised to replace the valve or valves in question. The 45° cut on the valve face affects the overall installed height of the valve too. This is usually minor, and with hydraulic lifters and / or adjustable rocker arms you need not be concerned. When everything is machined, and the valves assembled in the head a straight edge can be laid across the tops of the valves to check that they are level. As mentioned, slight differences are common and easily tolerated. If your engine has solid lifters and shaft mounted rockers the valve height needs to be right. Even then an adjustable valve train will be to your advantage. With the valve seat in the head machined and the valve face done, the two can be mated. I like to use lapping compound for this. Years ago it was used to match the surfaces, much like the lid on a glass apothecary jar. It worked very well too. Today's equipment however leaves the two surfaces in such a nice condition that it's no longer needed. I use it to identify the contact area between the two. For street motors that will see 100,000 miles before the next rebuild, a wide seat is the ticket. Race motors however like narrow seats as this facilitates more flow at all lift heights. BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/Basic-Valve-Job.htm With the face cut made and measured, the valve can be back cut. Perhaps a 30° cut just above the 45° cut. This narrows the face to the needed width and helps flow on both intake and exhaust valves. The illustrations above show a warped, burned valve that would not cut and one with a 45° face, a red dyed 30° back cut and a 15° back cut above that for comparison. Notice how this cut removes the inner lip on the back of the valve. That lip has been shown to cause turbulence, disturbing the air flow both into and out of the chamber. Another machine operation to consider is a front cut. This process cuts a slight angle on the chamber side of the valve and also reduces the margin. Again it's been demonstrated to help flow on both intake and exhaust valves. I took an old valve and put red dye on it, cut the face 45° and put a 15° front cut on it to demonstrate. The margin is still clearly visible, but you can see how it is reduced. BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/Basic-Valve-Job.htm The installed spring height needs to be checked next. This can be measured with a special tool designed for the task. If there are differences shims can be use to even out the gaps. Note: aluminum heads have spring cups. Never install springs directly on the aluminum as the soft aluminum will take a beating and you can even destroy the head. The spring pressure at the installed height can be measured too. Seals are next. There are a wide variety of seals available. The O-ring type was the Chevy standard for decades. High performance engine builders like Teflon seals. These require cutting the top of the valve guide to press the seals onto. These are the standard of performance engines today. Use them on both the intake and exhaust. It's a good idea to use new keepers and retainers too. This assembled BB Chevy aluminum head at Bill Cannon's Awesome Engines shows how it all comes together. When the engine is assembled proper rocker arm geometry should be verified. If things are not where they are designed to work, the life expectancy of your motor will be greatly reduced. Please keep in mind that these are basic operations and we have not touched on port matching, porting, and matching head cavity volumes ("CC-ing"), or other high performance and racing modifications. We'll save that for another time. At least with this information you will know what the machinist is talking about, and you should be able to answer his questions. You'll know what you need to speed your heads on their way. Disclaimer: This page was researched and written by Greg Myer. Views expressed are those of the author, and are provided without warrantee or guarantee. Apply at your own risk. BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/Basic-Valve-Job.htm Photographs by Brandon Myer at Brightside Photography and Greg Myer for BritishV8. All rights reserved. BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) British V8 Home: Read the Magazine Photo Gallery Web Forum Annual Meets Contact Us Site Map Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/Positive-Crankcase-Ventilation-PCV.htm Positive Crankcase Ventilation as published in BritishV8 Magazine, Volume XVII Issue 1, July 2009 by: Jim Blackwood The positive crankcase ventilation (PCV) system, and older "road tube" systems that preceded PCV, are for venting combustion products from the crankcase in the most unobtrusive manner consistent with the times. To understand these systems, it's necessary to realize that "blowby" inevitably exists in any internal combustion engine. For example, whenever a piston engine runs, there will be some passage of gasses and vapors past the piston rings, and into the crankcase. This will occur despite the finest components, the most precise machining and the most careful assembly. Blowby includes volatile and potentially explosive fuel fumes, as well as contaminants that degrade oil. (Solids, such as ash, are carried with the gasses.) Modern sealing methods are simply incapable of preventing blowby. It may not be much, but blowby is inevitable and it has to be dealt with. Originally engines were built with an open crankcase and no special provision was needed. The closed crankcase came about because of a desire to re-use the lubricating oil which had previously been allowed to simply fall to the ground. As this evolved, manufacturers began sealing the crankshaft from the outside environment to both contain the oil and exclude contaminants. Engine speeds were increasing as well and pressurized lubricating systems were needed to deal with the increased bearing loads, meaning there was a great deal more oil being flung about. At this point it became clear that venting of some sort was required to avoid pressurizing the crankcase to a level which seals and gaskets weren't capable of withstanding, and various types of vents were developed. Due to the possibility of crankcase explosions almost all of these venting methods also included a flame arrestor of some type, but they were in general as simple and direct as engine manufacturers could make them. The problem with this type of vent of course is that it was nearly impossible to remove all of the oil from the vapors that exited the vent, and as a result an oily residue was deposited nearby. Also under heavy acceleration when cylinder pressures are highest and the most blowby is produced, enough fumes exited the vents to create objectionable fumes in the passenger compartment of the vehicle. These problems led to development of the road tube which was very effective, resulted in much cleaner engine compartments and cleaner air for the driver and passengers. It diverted the objectionable fumes and oil spray down under the car and was a significant advance. The downside was that the oil vapors were now deposited on the road surface, leaving a wide, dark oily swath between the two tire tracks of public roads. Please support the sponsoring companies who make British V8 possible, including: It was soon discovered that by cutting the end of the road draft tube at an angle and extending it into the airstream below the car an actual flow of fresh air could be created through the engine by providing an inlet breather, often in the form of an oil filler cap with a coarse mesh filter material, which acted as a flame arrestor and kept bugs out of the crankcase. A similar BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/Positive-Crankcase-Ventilation-PCV.htm mesh in the road tube (sometimes placed inside the engine) served the same purpose on the other end. This new development was highly touted as an advancement which increased both engine life and oil change intervals by removing combustion byproducts quickly before they could combine with the crankcase oil and form acids, sludge, and other harmful and non-lubricating contaminants. This insight ultimately led to the development of the modern PCV system as we know it today. Various schemes were tried in order to find new ways of evacuating gasses from the crankcase, but what most had in common was that they relied on some means of suction to do the job. This generally meant the use of manifold vacuum as the most practical method. For us this means two things: firstly that most PCV systems are pretty consistent, and secondly that other alternative methods are possible. The usual PCV systems come in two basic flavors, and I'll distinguish them here by referring to them as American and British respectively, due to the prevalence of their use by manufacturers in each country, and in particular in distinguishing LBC's from Detroit iron. In the British system, which is the more straightforward of the two, manifold vacuum is plumbed directly to the crankcase using a 0.5" or 0.75" diameter line. An orifice of typically 0.030" or less is provided on a line feeding fresh air into the crankcase. Sometimes this line draws vapors from a vapor recovery canister as well, thereby purging the canister and feeding those vapors indirectly into the engine intake, and sometimes this orifice is contained in an oil filler cap, but for the purposes of PCV it functions the same either way. It does however have the potential to either enrich or lean the idle mixture to a limited degree. The manifold vacuum purges the crankcase of blowby fumes. By placing the crankcase under vacuum, a metered quantity of fresh air is drawn into the crankcase through the orifice... at least at idle and part throttle. As the throttle opens and engine load increase, blowby also increases proportionally until at some point the crankcase transitions from vacuum to positive pressure. This may not occur with a new engine in good condition using a larger vacuum line, but it certainly will with an engine having significant mileage. When the crankcase is at positive pressure, nothing changes on the vacuum side other than the volume of gasses going into the intake, but on the orifice side the flow reverses. This is usually not particularly significant due to the small size, but can contaminate the carbon in the vacuum canister over the course of time. Enjoying this article? Our magazine is funded through the generous support of readers like you! To contribute to our operating budget, please click here and follow the instructions. (Suggested contribution is twenty bucks per year. Feel free to give more!) American systems use a large diameter vent line to the atmosphere, usually running from a valve cover to a location in the air filter housing, and a smaller diameter line to the intake manifold, usually 0.3125" to 0.375" in diameter. This system restricts the amount of combustible air which enters the engine with a PCV valve rather than an orifice, and it is placed in this intake line. The PCV valve is pretty unique in that it allows full flow at low pressure differentials across the valve and a metered restriction above that level. It also shuts off flow in the reverse direction, thereby eliminating the need for a flame trap. This is done by using a shuttle inside the valve which I'll return to shortly, as this is the most misunderstood part of the system. The crankcase is never under vacuum but can become slightly pressurized. The large diameter vent line allows fresh air into the crankcase and also allows excess blowby to vent into the air cleaner housing through a flame arrestor where they are ingested by the engine, whenever engine loads and throttle openings are great. Under part throttle the PCV valve is open due to the lower vacuum applied across it and the lower level of blowby so most if not all of the blowby is sucked into the intake, drawing fresh air into the engine in the process and also tending to lean out the intake mixture during cruise. During idle there is enough vacuum to shuttle the PCV valve to the metered position and there is usually very little blowby so most of that is ingested along with a small amount of fresh air which is accounted for by adjustment of the idle mixture screws. This is one reason the idle mixture has to be adjusted as the rings wear. Under heavy throttle, although the level of vacuum drops to near zero, should the level of blowby become great enough the shuttle will shut down the flow to the metered level, diverting most of the blowby to the air cleaner and ingesting only a metered amount of blowby through the PCV valve. The effect of routing these gasses through the air cleaner is to enrich the intake mixture proportionally because the carb doesn't know the difference between fresh air and recycled combustion by-products. So it is interesting that the PCV system helps to give us a lean cruise and a rich WOT, but there is little or no correlation between PCV, carburetor, and volume of blowby other than the initial calibrations of the carb and PCV valve and no mechanism to account for engine wear other than the shuttle valve and idle mixture screws. The interesting thing about this is that the same PCV system is still in use with very little modification on our newer fuel injected engines, although they do have a feedback mechanism in the form of an oxygen sensor. These systems work quite well normally, but things tend to get interesting once performance modifications are made. Often the PCV systems are unintentionally modified to the point that they can no longer function properly, and this is particularly common with aftermarket intakes, air filters, valve covers, forced induction and the like. It is still possible on almost any performance engine to design and tune for a PCV system that works properly and this is especially important in a street driven car. For all out performance it is less of a consideration and in fact the blowby fumes do dilute the intake charge somewhat, so in these cases a simple crankcase vent is often used, harking back to the early days, with all their attendant inconveniences. Often modifications are made to the system unintentionally, in the quest for more performance and a better appearance, and this can result in problems. One of the most bothersome is pressurization of the crankcase, with symptoms of excess oil sprayed about the engine compartment in various places as it is forced past gaskets and seals. Another is the chance of a crankcase explosion should the need for a flame trap be overlooked. Then of course, any improperly functioning system will have a need for more frequent oil changes, as the combustion byproducts contaminate the oil more rapidly. For your street driven car there are answers. Sometimes the British system is more appropriate, and sometimes American, but it's best to keep in mind how each one operates and not try to mix the two. When fitting an open element air cleaner onto a typical American 4-barrel carbureted V8, for instance, it's quite easy to install the vent line to the base of the air cleaner inside the element, thereby keeping the system intact. Things aren't quite so neat and clean when fitting a similar air cleaner on a Rover V8, because Rover engines were BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/Positive-Crankcase-Ventilation-PCV.htm originally set up with an orifice-type system. Some of these are easily changed over and some are not, depending on the fittings on the rocker covers. Bear in mind that the large vent line of 0.625" or possibly 0.75" in some cases cannot be replaced with a 0.375" hose, or even two of them. Flow increases by the square of the diameter, meaning that a 2" pipe flows four times as much as a 1" pipe. So you would need four 0.375" lines to match one 0.75" line. If your valvecovers do not have the proper fittings and you are not willing to add larger ones to them then you may need a larger line to the crankcase in an alternate location. Early SBC's had a vent line that went through the block web behind the intake manifold. A large diameter tube rising from the pan may be another option. You might use the mechanical fuel pump mounting boss. Or you may be able to use the orifice system, bearing in mind that using smaller lines will cause it to operate under pressure more than it might otherwise. This may require recalibration of your carburetor due to the differences mentioned above, or it may be possible to find a suitable carburetor calibrated for the orifice system, since some British cars were available with a four barrel carburetor. There are other cases where an orifice system is a good choice, such as any induction system where the throttle body is at the inlet of the system. This might be the case with an IR setup or where an engine is supercharged. In these situations there is no practical way to locate the vent tube, and therefore no way to ingest the excess blowby fumes. The solution is to port the crankcase to manifold vacuum (or inlet vacuum in the case of a blower) and use the orifice to restrict flow into the crankcase and subsequent leaning of the intake mixture. It is worth noting here that often EFI systems take control of the PCV system, such as by including a purge valve for the emissions canister, allowing options such as pulling fresh air in at idle to give more precise control of the mixture. Some of these systems may be able to divert PCV intake on WOT for maximum power output. WARNING: All lines from crankcase to intake system must have some form of flame arrester! To overlook this is to invite a crankcase explosion, which in the best possible scenario will have you replacing your lifter valley pan. Finally, we have the alternative systems, the most familiar being the collector scavenger tube. These are really not suitable for a street driven application because of two things: mufflers, and the fact that they do not work well at idle. For racing it's a good idea, but once you add the restriction of a muffler you have created backpressure which will reverse the flow in the scavenger tube and make the system ineffective. Another option is an external scavenger pump. These tend to be a more complicated solution, but are another possibility that may have merit in special situations. Theoretically it would be possible to evacuate the crankcase using positive pressure and this would tend to lead to seal problems, but if those woes were overcome one might even find a way to route forced induction through the crankcase on its way to the cylinder, provided an adequate air/oil separator were designed. Two stroke engines inherently use this principle, simply burning the oil as they go. So that's the basic lowdown. No doubt there are details that I've left out but it's enough to give the average person the picture. Hopefully it's enough to help sort through the tangled mess and maze of confusion that typically surrounds these systems. Disclaimer: This page was researched and written by Jim Blackwood. Views expressed are those of the author, and are provided without warrantee or guarantee. Apply at your own risk. BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) British V8 Home: Read the Magazine Photo Gallery Web Forum Annual Meets Contact Us Site Map Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/TR6-Rear-Disc-Brakes.htm How To: Upgrade your Triumph TR6 with Rear Disc Brakes as published in BritishV8 Magazine, Volume XVII Issue 1, July 2009 by: Don Watson, with Calvin Grannis Is the search for rear disc brakes the Holy Grail of Triumph TR6 modifications? It may not be a discovery that Indiana Jones would be willing to die for, but it's definitely a challenging quest. This article is about my personal quest, and especially about my solution to the vexing challenge. But before we leave the subject of dying, please note that this is not a conversion to do on the cheap or to take lightly. Read and heed the strongly worded disclaimer at the end of all BritishV8 brake modification articles. My quest for the TR6 Holy Grail started with the simple event of doing a rear brake job. You know: simply pull the drum, clean the dust out, replace the shoes, turn the drum, check and if necessary rebuild/replace the wheel cylinders, then reassemble. Well, I don't know about you, but after 30 years of playing with cars I have a lot of scars on my hands. Sometimes I think that most of these have been from brake jobs. Drum brakes tend to be a maintenance pain in both a figurative and literal sense. A routine brake job on my 1974 TR6 initiated my world wide quest for a rear disc brake conversion. BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/TR6-Rear-Disc-Brakes.htm Datsun 240z rear disc brake conversion kit, as purchased from Modern Motorsports. Please support the sponsoring companies who make British V8 possible, including: The Datsun Z family of cars did have a similar style system, but like Indy's hat, it will not fit me or my purpose. Looking at web pictures, reading forums, finally got the best of me. I prefer to learn by doing. I need to experience with hands on, so I purchased a 240Z rear brake conversion kit from Modern Motorsports, with the hope of making some modifications to their brackets. From this, I hoped to develop my own version of rear disc brakes for the TR6. Like the sting of Indy's whip, I learned that the Z's used a different hub mounting and hub diameter. The brackets were of a 3 bolt semi-arch design to fit on the outside of the Z hub housing. This will not work on the TR6 unless you are going to design a very large offset to the bracket, which would weaken the bracket. Still, the calipers would work and the hands on experience got me motivated. BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/TR6-Rear-Disc-Brakes.htm So here is what I did. My first move was to locate and purchased a used TR4A or TR6 swing arm so that I could mock up the disc brake system without taking my baby off the road for an extended amount of time. I found them dirt cheap on eBay as no one in my local club had a spare one. Keep in mind that this is just for mock up so the condition does not need to be great. Only the hub face and housing need to be good. This allowed me to mock up everything, measure and have prototype brackets made from CAD files by The Columbus Machine Works, Inc. in Columbus, Ohio. Prototype TR6 rear brake caliper brackets were made for me by The Columbus Machine Works, Inc. I removed the rear wheel, drum and disconnected the emergency brake cable followed by removing the brake shoe springs, clips, and rotating the wheel facing to get access to the hub nuts. BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/TR6-Rear-Disc-Brakes.htm Once the brake shoes, springs, clips, etc., are removed the hub, the half shaft pull right out. Pay close attention to any play or slop in the hub then replace or rebuild if necessary, A note of caution on this as it should be done by a qualified shop with the proper tools. I replaced the u-joint now, while you have real easy access. Next the dust plate can be removed as well as the stock studs. You will notice that the stock TR6 studs are two different threads, fine and coarse, and about 1.5" in length. The brackets are a half inch thick, so new 2" studs are needed. The swing arms are aluminum, so to prevent galvanic corrosion I used three-eighths inch stainless steel studs. Some conversions suggest heli-coils for strength. Make sure that when you install the studs that they are perfectly square and centered. BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/TR6-Rear-Disc-Brakes.htm The brackets were made to fit 1981-84 Nissan Maxima calipers with hardware. If you buy similar calipers, make sure to note whether mounting hardware is included. Apparently some sources include them and some don't. In the righthand picture below, you can see the additional plate that the calipers float on. These calipers have an integral, cable operated emergency brake, and specicifically it's a "short pull" brake. Other models have an "extended pull" e-brake. Also note that Nissan apparently used several different makes and models of calipers. I understand that some 1981-1983 200sx/240sx calipers may suit our use. Brakes are a system, so I don't recommend mixing new and old components. I replaced all the brake lines, T-fittings, etc., and I used new braided stainless steel hoses to the calipers. I chose not to modify or fabricate for coil-over shock absorbers, and instead kept my front positioned springs with converted gas shocks mounted on the rear of the swing arm. There are some really nice works out there by others as referenced before. But I have a two car garage, limited shop tools, limited work space, and limited funds. To avoid conflicts with the shock, spring, and bump stops on the swing arm, I chose to mount the calipers under the swing arm (i.e. at "six o'clock"). If you mount yours similarly, keep in mind that you'll need to bleed the caliper in an upright position because air bubbles don't like to flow downhill. BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) Enjoying this article? Our magazine is funded through the generous support of readers like you! To contribute to our operating budget, please click here and follow the instructions. (Suggested contribution is twenty bucks per year. Feel free to give more!) Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/TR6-Rear-Disc-Brakes.htm Now, with studs in place, the nest step is to install the brake brackets onto the swing arms. Please note that a little modification may be needed to improve serviceability. See the bracket's front mounting ear and the swing arm position is very close and will prevent access to the mounting bolt head with a socket. I used a grinder to remove just enough material from the swing arm to allow access with a socket. Don't cut into the hub housing! Next, I installed the hub, new u-joint, and half shaft. I tightened the stud nuts to Triumph torque specifications. I next sourced a set of 1992 Nissan 240sx rotors (4x100mm lug pattern). Their outside diameter is 258mm, and their hat height is 47mm. I had to have the central hole enlarged 0.40" to fit the TR6 hub. I also had to re-drill and recess the rotor retaining holes for the 2 screws that keep the rotor attached when removing lug nuts and wheel for servicing. (Ultimately, after going through the whole process with regular rotors, I decided to upgrade to drilled and slotted rotors for looks. Now I have to buy something else: new drilled and slotted rotors for the front!) BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/TR6-Rear-Disc-Brakes.htm I installed the calipers, remembering to first bleed the system with the calipers upright. (This can alternatively be done by either rotating the caliper around to the top of the rotor or by temporarily putting a half inch thick metal spacer between the brake pads. Without some sort of spacer, the pistons would hyperextend from their cylinders.) The next step was to connect the emergency brakes. I used a Lokar emergency brake cable assembly. They're made to be cut to length, and they come with simple instructions. I run 15"x7" Panasport wheels, with 3.9" backspacing (i.e. zero offset, nominally. Stock TR6 steel wheels are 3.5" backspace / +12mm offset.) Since I don't have a fifth Panasport wheel, I use a steel wheel for my spare tire, so I made sure to check for clearance with both wheels. I've received several e-mails about using this type of bracket on the top side of the swing arm. If you don't want the emergency brake function, you might be able to rotate and flip the bracket to face the rear of the swing arm, and then use a caliper that doesn't have the bulky emergency brake mechanism. However, you might still run into conflicts with the rear shock absorber mounting, if you run gas shocks. You might also run into conflicts with a rear sway bar system. Note: when I mocked up the brackets, the first CNC pass was with aluminum. The black bracket, shown at left below, is the final version in half inch steel for additional strength. BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/TR6-Rear-Disc-Brakes.htm The motivation for this article is for us, collectively, to give something back to the BritishV8 and Triumph community that has given so much to us. Through How-to's, "been there done that" emails, technical forums, and lessons learned, we have all benefited from the collective knowledge of our fellow enthusiasts. Calvin Grannis Continues the Story... I purchased a set of caliper mounting brackets from Don, and needed to source brake calipers locally. As he explained above, Don had bought an aftermarket kit from Modern Motorsports that's marketed for converting an old Datsun 240Z to disc brakes. Don assumed that the calipers included in the kit were from a Nissan 240SX, so I went to a local recycling yard and picked up a set of 240SX calipers and brackets, complete with the emergency brake cable. When I got home it didn't look right to me and the calipers wouldn't bolt-up to the brake brackets. I went back the recycling yard to hunt for the right brake calipers and brackets. I found a 1987 Nissan Maxima had calipers which would work for me, and with a little additional research I can add an additional caveat: apparently there is an "earlier" and a "later" style of caliper for a 1987 Maxima! The change occured in March of that year. I don't know the full extent of the change, but the earlier design has fewer internal parts. BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/TR6-Rear-Disc-Brakes.htm I used 1992 Nissan 240sx rotors. On the inner hole that goes over the hub, I had to take off about 68 thousandths of an inch. I just took the old Triumph drums and the new Nissan rotors to someone with a lathe, and had them match the rotor diameter to the drum diameter. Another small difficulty had to be overcome. The emergency cable brackets on the Nissan Maxima calipers was pointing upward towards the body. I found that the cable brackets on the old 240SX calipers would install on the Maxima calipers and this fixed the problem in short order. The 240SX brackets redirected the emergency brake cables so that they pointed toward the differential. I ended up using the used Nissan 240SX emergency brake cable. Since they were used and of unknown history, I rebuilt both Maxima calipers. Upon close inspection, I noted at this time that the Maxima calipers have a bigger piston than the 240SX calipers. BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/TR6-Rear-Disc-Brakes.htm CAD files for making your own brackets are available free for the asking! Just use the BritishV8 message board's private message system to contact Don Watson ("dwtr6v8") or Calvin Grannis ("74ls1tr6"). Disclaimer: This page was researched and written by Don Watson and Calvin Grannis. Views expressed are those of the authors, and are provided without warrantee or guarantee. Apply at your own risk. Neither the author nor BritishV8 make any warrantees or representations regarding the use of the materials in this website in terms of their correctness, accuracy, adequacy, usefulness, timeliness, reliability or otherwise. BritishV8 shall not be liable for any special or consequential damages that result from use or inability to use, the materials on this website or the performance of the products. Brakes are critically important safety equipment. If you're uncomfortable working on brake components, take the work to a qualified professional. Photos by Don Watson and Calvin Grannis for BritishV8 Magazine. All rights reserved. BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) British V8 Home: Read the Magazine Photo Gallery Web Forum Annual Meets Contact Us Site Map Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/FastCars-TR6-Frame.htm Fast Cars Offers New and Improved Chassis for Triumph TR6 as published in BritishV8 Magazine, Volume XVII Issue 1, July 2009 by: Curtis Jacobson Fast Cars' latest offering will excite Triumph TR6 enthusiasts and probably kit car builders too! Fast Cars has begun selling replacement TR6 chassis that include entirely redesigned suspensions with coil-over shock absorbers and Wilwood disc brakes, front and rear. The core of the chassis design is a tubular frame that easily surpasses the original TR6 frame in both strength and rigidity. Original TR6 bodies will bolt right on, using existing body mounting points. (With some modifications, this chassis can be used under other bodies as well.) In standard configuration, the chassis is designed to accept a Ford 302 V8 with a T5 5-speed transmission, but other options will be available on a made-to-order basis. A lightweight but tough Ford 8" rear axle is standard equipment. BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/FastCars-TR6-Frame.htm The Frame Fast Cars' new TR6 frame is primarily constructed of mild steel "box" tubing. A handful of crossmembers and braces have round cross-sections, but they're the exceptions that prove the rule. The practical advantage of this is that it will always be easy to modify or repair the frame, and specifically it will be easy to install various brackets and accessories. The frame comes standard with motor mounts suitable for a Ford 302 V8 engine and with transmission mounts for a Borg Warner (or Tremec) T5 5-speed transmission. However, if you prefer a different engine or transmission, Fast Cars will be happy to assist you. If you'd like to supply your engine, they'll even be happy to engineer mounts for it and install them in their shop. Don't hesitate to call for an estimate, and to discuss your specific application. Installing a body can be tricky. Fast Cars will also be happy to provide assistance at this stage of your project. Contact them to discuss your specific needs, whether you're working with a pristine, Heritage TR6 bodyshell or considering building a one-of-a-kind body. Since Fast Cars TR6 frames are made to order, they can easily alter where body brackets are installed along the frame. Want a roll hoop or a full rollcage? Fast Cars can help you with that too. Various paint finishes are available, including custom colors. Please support the sponsoring companies who make British V8 possible, including: The Front Suspension The first priority of the front suspension design was to minimize un-sprung weight. Whereas any weight reduction will make a car quicker, reduction of un-sprung weight particularly improves ride quality. To this end, the front suspensionf features fabricated 4130N spindles, aluminum alloy (6061) hubs, and Timken tapered roller bearings. The spindle assemblies weigh just 5 pounds 2 ounces each (without brakes). The brakes are 11.75" Wilwood vented rotors with robust four-pot Wilwood "Dynalite" aluminum brake calipers. Nylatron GS bushes are used at the suspension pivots. Another design priority was to further improve ride quality and handling thru better placement of the lower spring mounting point. The lightweight QA1 aluminum-bodied coil-over shocks are mounted quite far out at the lower end, so the springs compress relatively far for any given wheel displacement. This increases piston travel for any given bump, which is advanteous. The coil-over shock absorbers also facilitate very simple ride height and corner weight adjustment. The Fast Cars IFS has a nominal caster angle of three degrees, and like modern cars caster can be easily fine-tuned during alignment. The adjustment range is 2.5 to 5.0 degrees. The Fast Cars IFS is also designed to have very little static camber. (Camber is the relative angle of the steering pivot axis to a vertical line as viewed from the front or rear of the car. It changes with body roll as a function of suspension geometry. Better tire life and straight-line braking are also benefits of utilizing less static camber.) Ted recommends very little toe-in: just one thirty-secondth to one sixteenth of an inch. BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/FastCars-TR6-Frame.htm By virtue of the relative placement of A-arm attachment points, the Fast Cars front suspension has some "anti-dive" built in. The suspension geometry has been engineered so that the upward force of brake torque reaction partially counteracts the downward force of load transfer. One of the distinctive characteristic of Fast Cars front suspensions is light, precise steering. This is partly attributable to suspension geometry. It's also partly because of the steering rack that Fast Cars uses, which is custom made to their specifications. Of course, the steering requires an intermediate shaft and u-joints to connect to the TR6 steering column. Customers can fabricate their own, or they can buy a custom-made intermediate shaft from Fast Cars. Wider track width versions of the suspension are available for customers who are fitting fender flares. Since hubs are made to order, they're available with whatever popular four or five hole lug spacing you prefer. Of course, your preference may depend on what wheels you plan to use. Fast Cars' proprietor, Ted Lathrop, has earned quite a reputation for inventing trick construction details. One of our favorite details of the new chassis is the way the front anti-sway bar is housed within a tubular crossmember. Its lightweight aluminum arms are splined to match the steel bar, and they can easily be removed if a stiffer or softer bar is desired. Enjoying this article? Our magazine is funded through the generous support of readers like you! To contribute to our operating budget, please click here and follow the instructions. (Suggested contribution is twenty bucks per year. Feel free to give more!) The Rear Suspension The Fast Cars TR6 chassis comes with a Ford 8" live axle, Wilwood disc brakes, and a custom "three-link" coil-over rear suspension. The nomenclature here can be a little confusing, so to be clear: a three-link rear suspension is actually composed of four links, plus two coilover shock absorbers. The three links that extend forward BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/FastCars-TR6-Frame.htm locate the axle forward-to-back and restrict its rotation (e.g. pinion angle). The two bottom links run forward from brackets underneath the axle, parallel with each other. This is a nice feature because it simplifies suspension alignment. The third link runs forward from the top of the differential housing. The fourth link is a Panhard rod; it locates the axle side-to-side. The coil-over shocks are located behind the axle, mounted straight up and down, and the Panhard rod is located in front of the axle. Therefore, to clear the axle pinion, the Panhard rod has a bend in it. The rear suspension geometry features "anti-squat". In other words, rearward weight transfer under acceleration is turned more efficiently into increased traction. Nylatron "GS" bushings are used at the ends of the radius rods in lieu of Heim joints (which would transmit more road noise and would probably wear out quicker) or rubber bushings. The axle itself is brand new, not just an old axle that has been "narrowed". The axle features an aluminum gear carrier ("pumpkin"), which is both lighter and cooler running than the iron alternative. The axle also comes with an Auburn limited slip differential. BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/FastCars-TR6-Frame.htm Additional Photos BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/FastCars-TR6-Frame.htm Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/FastCars-TR6-Frame.htm Disclaimer: This page was researched and written by Curtis Jacobson. Views expressed are those of the author, and are provided without warrantee or guarantee. Apply at your own risk. Photographs by Wayne Edwards for BritishV8 Magazine. All rights reserved. BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) British V8 Home: Read the Magazine Photo Gallery Web Forum Annual Meets Contact Us Site Map Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/MG/CliveWagerfield.htm Clive Wagerfield's Original MGB GT V8 Prototype (Number "096") as published in BritishV8 Magazine, Volume XVII Issue 1, July 2009 Owner: Clive Wagerfield City: Buckinghamshire, UK Model: MGB GT V8 Engine: Rover 3.5L V8 The first five MGB GT V8 prototypes were built late in 1972 and started life as standard 1800 GT's. They were removed from the assembly line prior to their four cylinder engines being fitted, and they went to the Development Department shop where they were completed to V8 specification. This included significant modifications to the engine bay including: relocating the radiator forward, recontouring the inner fenders, and modifying the firewall at the front corners of the transmission opening. My car, number "GD2D1 96 G", was one of these five prototypes. I purchased the car from Norman Ward, who bought the car directly from MG Cars at Abingdon on April 28, 1976. Norman Ward's father, Robert Ward, was Plant Director at the MG assembly plant and he recommended the car to his son when it came up for release. When I purchased the car, I also got the original receipt which reveals that Norman paid the princely sum of £875. This original MGB GT V8 prototype is registered "MMO 229L" - just as it was when Norman purchased it! BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/MG/CliveWagerfield.htm "The Car Number is stamped on a plate secured to the RH wing valance adjacent to the filter." Please support the sponsoring companies who make British V8 possible, including: BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) The fiberglass air dam and rally lights were installed by previous owner Norman Ward, although when Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/MG/CliveWagerfield.htm Norman picked the car up from the factory, it had extra headlights fitted where the spotlights are now. Curiously, the switch selected either left or right but not together! The car came with the same Dunlop composite (aluminum hub / steel rim) wheels that were used on production MGB GT V8's. Although standard on production MGB GT V8's, this prototype never had SundymTM tinted windows. Traveling incognito: MGB GT V8 prototype, viewed from the rear. Although Norman didn't research or document the car's unique history, I've been able to verify some things about the car and its use by the MG development team. One important fact is that "number 96" was never fitted with V8 badges! Without those badges, of course, it could travel a little more inconspicuously on public roads. And travel it did! Prototype "096" was used for engine evaluation and speed trials. The first reference I found for this appears in the book "MG" by McComb. Norman Ward tells me the following excerpt was verified by both his father and the late MGOC V8 Registrar's Historian, Geoff Allen: "Although no figure for maximum speed in overdrive was quoted, a perfectly standard car had been taken to France for tests by Alec Hounslow, foreman of the development department workshop and one-time riding mechanic to Nuvolari. He got a genuine 222 kph maximum, converted from kilometers to miles, and realized with some astonishment that he was traveling at 138 mph. In the words of MG's former chief, John Thornley, 'The V8 was a quite stupendous motor-car. From my own experience, when you were doing 100 mph in overdrive top and put your foot down on the accelerator, you got a push in the back. Now, that is motoring!'" Subsequently, I've been very fortunate to make personal contact with MGB legend Don Hayter who seems pleased to help fill in more details. Don recalls that due to a lack of suitable roads in England, Alec Hounslow and Mike Hearn took prototype "096" to France for high speed assessment using the then-new "A1" autoroute (a.k.a. "l'autoroute du Nord" or in English "the Northern Motorway"). Don has spoken to Mike and apparently he remembers much of that event, so we'll update this article as details become available. BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/MG/CliveWagerfield.htm Is this a North American specification engine? The radiator has a fan guard, although the engine-driven fan was apparently removed by the Development shop. (It was made redundant by the dual electric fans, also shown.) The stamped engine serial number plate on this car is "49000004", whereas the production V8 engine serial numbers started with "486" followed by a further five digits. What about the other prototypes? Remember that there were five Development Shop built prototypes, followed by line-built "Pre-Production" cars (which were also "prototypes"). It's been documented elsewhere that shop built left-hand drive prototype "97" was fitted with engine number "48600002". The engines in left-hand drive prototypes "98" and "100" had engines with serial numbers marked "EXP 107" and "EXP 103" respectively. After that, the first four line-built left-hand drive prototypes ("101", "102", "104", and "105") were fitted with engines prefixed (like mine) by "49". BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/MG/CliveWagerfield.htm The engine serial number on prototype number 96 is 49000004. (Note: this surface is adjacent to the transmission's bellhousing. Notice that no adapter plate is used for mounting the transmission. The bellhousing is integral to the transmission case, just as on the production MGB GT V8, but quite different from the production 1800cc MGB.) According to former British Motor Industry Heritage Trust archivist Anders Clausager, the engines for the left-hand drive cars were built to North American specifications and were to be fitted with emission controls. Was Clausager referring to just the "EXP" engines or to the "49" engines as well? This is a particularly intriguing question because a North American spec 1972 Rover 3500S saloon would have received a 10.5:1 compression ratio engine (rated 184hp at 5200 rpm and 226ft.lb. of torque at 3000rpm.) In other words, it seems that MG's original plan may have been to produce a more potent MGB GT V8 for export. At any rate, there seems to be circumstantial evidence to indicate that the engines for prototypes 96 and 97 were inadvertantly mixed up. Car number 96. as far as I can ascertain, is the only right-hand drive car to be fitted with one of these 'North American' engines. I wonder why? To provide clearance for the exhaust manifolds, on the prototypes, sheetmetal was literally cut out and replaced with welded-in, formed, patch panels. BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/MG/CliveWagerfield.htm In this photo, you can clearly see some of the weld-line on the inner wing. Interestingly, this prototype was apparently built with fabricated/tubular headers in lieu of production-style cast iron exhaust manifolds. A mounting bracket for the remote oil filter was welded-in too. Note: early MGB GT V8's had the take-off for the oil pressure gauge here. Later, it was relocated to the oil pump body for a faster reading. On this prototype, the take-off has been crimped shut. How else was the bodywork modified to accommodate the V8 engine? Firstly, the bonnet was re-tooled to give greater curvature. This became standard on all MGB's. The mouth of the gearbox tunnel was also enlarged to allow for the new bell-housing arrangement. Once MG began testing the MGB GT V8 prototypes, it quickly became apparent that significant torque reversals could occur when BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/MG/CliveWagerfield.htm switching in and out of 3rd overdrive. It would be easy for these reversals to damage an already fragile gearbox. Both Don Hayter and separately, the late Geoff Allen recall that my car suffered catastrophic gearbox failure during testing. Over the Easter holiday of 1973, an "inhibitor" was fitted to prevent entering overdrive from third gears. The gearbox was also modified on first gear. There are many early MGB GT V8's that still have overdrive on both 3rd and 4th. The factory's policy was "if it isn't broke, don't fix it", but overdrive was blocked from 3rd gear fairly early in production. BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) On this prototype, MG installed the rare 'tapered slot' steering wheel which was used on all MGB's from August 1972 through June 1973. When the V8 went into serial production, they instead used a special wheel with solid spokes that featured "indented slots". Like all production MGB GT V8s, this car has a collapsible steering column. Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/MG/CliveWagerfield.htm (Home market 1800cc MGB's didn't get collapsible columns until September 1974.) The speedometer and rev counter (aka tachometer) on this prototype are identical to production MGB GT V8's. Their 80mm diameter is smaller than regular home-market MGB's to accomodates a collapsible steering column. BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) The speedometer reads to 140mph and the rev counter indicates a "redline" of 5250rpm. Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) http://www.britishv8.org/MG/CliveWagerfield.htm The oil pressure gauge reads to 60psi. Later MGB GT V8 gauges read to 80psi, and then to 100psi. To its left is the choke control. Later MGB GT V8's had a T-handled knob, labeled "Choke" and "Lock". The OD switch is on the left-hand stalk that also incorporates the windscreen wipers. Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) http://www.britishv8.org/MG/CliveWagerfield.htm Vintage 8-track "integrated circuit" stereo radio. The upholstery is standard 1972 (1800cc) GT spec. As the car is Glacier White, the seats are in Navy. They have a brushed nylon centre panel with vinyl sides. This configuration was only used in 1972, and its different from production MGB GT V8's. Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) http://www.britishv8.org/MG/CliveWagerfield.htm (Note: This is just an evaporative system canister... it collects gasoline vapor, which is then routed back to the carbs. An S.U. fuel pump is mounted down by the batteries.) Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/MG/CliveWagerfield.htm The disc brake rotors are 10.7" diameter x 1/2" thick, which may indicate that MG decided to install uprated disc brakes early in the development program. BritishV8 Magazine has assembled the largest, most authoritative collection of MG "MGB GT V8" information you'll find anywhere. Check it out! Access our MGB GT V8 article index by clicking here. British V8 Home: BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) Read the Magazine Photo Gallery Web Forum Annual Meets Contact Us Site Map Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/MGBGTV8-Parts-Catalog.htm MGB GT V8 - PARTS SUPPLEMENT Republished by special permission from Moss Motors, Ltd. INDEX PAGE BASIC INFO LOCATION OF UNIT NUMBERS SECTION A POWER UNIT AND ANCILLARIES 1-4 V8 Engine 5-6 Carburetters Inlet and Exhaust Manifolds 7-8 Engine and Gearbox Mountings, Engine Controls SECTION B 9 - 10 OIL COOLER AND PIPES SECTION C 9 - 10 CLUTCH COMPONENTS SECTION D 11 - 14 GEARBOX SECTION E 15 - 16 COOLING SECTION F 17 - 18 EXHAUST SYSTEMS AND COMPONENTS SECTION G 17 - 18 REAR AXLE AND PROPSHAFT ASSEMBLY 19 - 22 Steering and Front Suspension 23 - 24 Rear Suspension 25 - 26 Brake, Clutch Master and Slave Cylinders 27 - 28 Front and Rear Brakes 29 - 30 Ignition Systems, Starter Motors and Alternators SECTION H STEERING AND SUSPENSION SECTION I HYDRAULIC SYSTEMS SECTION J ELECTRICAL 31 - 32 Switches and Wiring Harness SECTION K 31 - 32 SPEEDOS, REV COUNTERS, & WASHER BOTTLE SECTION L 33 - 34 GRILLES, BADGES, & DOOR MIRRORS SECTION M 33 - 34 JACKS, TOOLS, & WHEEL CAPS Please support the sponsoring companies who make British V8 possible, including: Location of Unit Numbers BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/MGBGTV8-Parts-Catalog.htm Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/MGBGTV8-Parts-Catalog.htm SECTION A - POWER UNIT AND ANCILLARIES (V8 Engine) NO. PART NO. DESCRIPTION QTY/CAR REMARKS 1 48G7631 E Exchange engine 1 9.26-1 C/R 1 48G7632 E Exchange engine 1 10.25-1 C/R Exchange engines come without rocker box covers, water pump, pulleys, oil pump base, dipstick, manifolds and flywheel. 2 625038 Filler cap 3 564258 O-ring 1 4 78862 Retaining screw 3 5 603672 HT lead retainer 2 6 610402 Retainer RH only 1 7 BHH 1208 RH rocker cover 1 7 BHH 1209 LH rocker cover 1 8 GEG 436 Rocker box gasket 2 603127 Rocker box screw long 602530 Rocker box screw short BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) 1 Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/MGBGTV8-Parts-Catalog.htm 9 532319 Dip stick seal 10 ERC 4558 Dipstick 1 11 602097 Rocker shaft bolt 8 12 606661 Rocker shaft 2 13 602148 Wavey washer 4 14 602186 Flat washer 4 15 603734 Pedestal 8 16 602153 RH angled rocker 8 16 602154 LH angled rocker 8 17 602142 Spacer spring 18 GSP 531 Sparkplug 8 19 614642 Cylinder head 2 20 GEG 340 Cylinder head gasket 2 21 603554 Valve guide 16 22 602166 Inlet valve 8 22 602165 Exhaust valve 8 23 602240 Outer spring 16 24 602241 Inner spring 16 25 602451 Top cap 16 26 602303 Valve cotter 32 27 603378 Push rod 16 28 614529 Cam follower 16 29 602191 Cylinder head bolt 8 29 602192 Cylinder head bolt 14 29 602193 Cylinder head bolt 6 30 602098 Cylinder head washer 28 31 602227 Bolt 1 32 602610 Washer 1 33 602159 Distributor gear 1 34 602149 Spacer 1 35 610289 Cam gear 1 36 ERC 7929 Timing chain 1 37 ERC 2003 Cam shaft 1 38 90602025 Woodruff key 1 39 8G 2707 Piston ring set 1 40 606962 Piston 8 Please state size. 41 8G 2705 Main end set 1 Please state size. 42 8G 2704 Big end set 1 Please state size. 43 612368 Flywheel assembly 1 44 611323 Flywheel ring gear 1 45 SH 607081 Flywheel bolt 6 46 602915 Drain tap LH 1 47 602082 Con rod 8 48 602609 Con rod bolt 16 49 602061 Con rod nut 16 50 602046 Oil thrower 1 51 90602372 Crank gear 1 52 90602025 Woodruff key 1 53 549911 Spigot bearing 1 54 611409 Rear oil seal 1 55 612989 Crankshaft 1 56 SH 610111 Crankshaft bolt 1 57 602411 Washer 1 58 603301 Ring 1 59 612421 Pulley 1 60 611089 Packing piece 2 61 603775 Gasket 1 62 602180 Gasket 1 63 610391 Front cover 1 64 602178 Packing oil seal 1 65 602158 Ring 1 66 602130 Main end bolt 10 67 BHH 998 Oil pump base 1 68 90602072 Gasket 1 69 90602064 Relief valve 1 70 BHH 1348 Relief valvespring 1 BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) 1 Please state size. Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/MGBGTV8-Parts-Catalog.htm 71 603521 Seal 72 602071 Plug 1 73 602017 Oil pump idler 1 74 602018 Oil pump drive 1 75 90602068 Gasket 1 76 602070 Strainer 1 77 GEG 539 Sump gasket 1 78 603434 Sump 1 79 213961 Drain plug seal 1 80 554164 Drain plug 1 81 SH 505051 Sump bolt 14 GEG 1155 Decoke gasket set 1 GEG 269 Conversion gasket set 1 Use with decoke set. V 8001 Locktite AVV 1 10cc size V 8002 Locktite CVX 1 10cc size V 8003 Wellseal 1 3.75oz size GGC 102 Hylomar 1 4oz size V 8004 Special bolt sealant 1 To stop corrosion between steel/aluminium joints. V 8005 Plastigauge 1 V 8006 Coolant inhibitor 1 GAT 140 Spark plug spanner 1 BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) 1 18oz size Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/MGBGTV8-Parts-Catalog.htm SECTION A - POWER UNIT... (Carburetters, Inlet and Exhaust Manifolds) NO. PART NO. DESCRIPTION QTY/CAR 1 242318 Carburetter gasket 4 2 610849 Spacer block 2 3 252514 Stud 8 NH 605041 Nut 8 4 BHH 1237 Hose, flame trap/cover 2 5 603330 Flame trap 2 6 BHH 1238 Hose, trap to carburetter 2 7 BHH 1005 Outlet elbow 1 8 GTG 125 Gasket 1 9 GTS 104 Thermostat 1 10 AED 172 Temperature sender unit washer 1 11 11K 2846 Sender unit adaptor 1 12 BHH 1064 Steam pipe 1 13 BHA 5252 Fan otter switch 1 BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) REMARKS Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/MGBGTV8-Parts-Catalog.htm 14 257064 Locating screw 15 236022 Gasket 1 16 603441 Adaptor gasket 1 17 GEG 693 Manifold gasket 1 18 GEG 645 End seal 2 19 602076 Seal clamp 2 20 ERC 2278 By pass hose 1 "S" shaped 20 ERC 2279 Heater return hose 1 90 degree shaped 21 90611532 By-pass pipe 1 22 13H 9216 Non return valve 1 23 232043 Washer 1 24 BHH 1001 Exhaust gasket 8 25 BHH 999 RH manifold 1 25 BHH 1000 LH manifold 1 26 CHS 2513 Stud 6 27 GHF 261 Brass nut 6 Alternative. 27 AHH 8382 Helicoil nut 6 Original fitting. 28 GEX 7193 Sealing ring 2 29 SH 506091 Manifold bolt 16 30 612435 Carburettor gasket 2 31 BHH 1162 Sleeve 2 32 BHH 1163 Air temperature control 2 33 GEE 1054 Air filter 2 34 BHH 1255 Air pipe 2 35 BHH 1297 RH top shroud 1 35 BHH 1298 LH top shroud 1 36 BHH 1247 RH lower shroud 1 36 BHH 1248 LH lower shroud 1 37 BHH 1213 U tube breather 1 38 603185 Clip 1 39 603183 Breather filter 1 40 BHH 1172 Pipe crankcase to filter 1 41 CUD 9266E Exchange carburetters 1 pair 42 CUD 2902 Damper 2 43 AUC 5156 Screw 6 44 CUD 1142 (BBU) Needle 2 45 AUD 4288 Guide 2 46 AUD 4398 Yellow spring 2 47 GSU 101 Needle and seat 2 48 GSU 402 RH Jet 1 48 GSU 403 LH Jet 1 49 GSU 205 Float RH 1 49 GSU 206 Float LH 1 50 GSU 552 Float seal 2 51 AUD 3590 Float chamber screw 8 GSU 500 Carburetter overhaul gasket kit 2 BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) 3 Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/MGBGTV8-Parts-Catalog.htm SECTION A - POWER UNIT... (Engine and Gearbox Mountings) NO. PART NO. DESCRIPTION QTY/CAR 1 BHH 991 Engine mounting bracket RH 1 1 BHH 992 Engine mounting bracket LH 1 2 BHH 1318 Engine mounting rubber 2 BHH 1319 Engine mounting packing A/R 3 AHH 7855 Pin rear gearbox mounting 1 4 AHH 8431 Top gearbox mounting bracket 1 5 AHH 8432 Bottom mounting bracket 1 6 GEX 7453 Gearbox mounting 2 7 AHH 7854 Tie bar bush 2 8 AHH 8430 Gearbox cross member 1 REMARKS RH side only SECTION A - POWER UNIT... (Engine Controls) NO. PART NO. DESCRIPTION QTY/CAR 1 BHH 1120 Accelerator cable 1 2 BHH 1059 Adjuster 1 3 AHC 284 Trunnion 1 4 AHC 135 Accelerator pedal 1 REMARKS 5 AHH 6504 Distance tube 1 6 BHH 1121 Choke cable 1 Round knob 7 BHH 1121A Choke cable 1 "T" handle 8 BHH 1056 Trunnion block 1 9 BHH 1057 Mounting bracket 1 BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) Enjoying this article? Our magazine is funded through the generous support of readers like you! To contribute to our operating budget, please click here and follow the instructions. (Suggested contribution is twenty bucks per year. Feel free to give more!) Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/MGBGTV8-Parts-Catalog.htm SECTION B - Oil Cooler and Pipes NO. PART NO. DESCRIPTION QTY/CAR 1 BHH 1104 Pipe pump to filter 1 2 BHH 1341 Pipe, filter to cooler 1 2 BHH 1612 Pipe, filter to cooler 1 Rubber bumper 3 BHH 1103 Pipe, cooler to pump 1 Chrome bumper 3 BHH 1613 Pipe, cooler to pump 1 Rubber bumper 4 6K 431 Washer sealing 4 5 AHH 6701 Adaptor union 4 6 AHA 8401 Pipe grommet 2 7 ARH 186 Oil cooler 1 Chrome bumper 7 ARH 185 Oil cooler 1 Rubber bumper 8 GFE 114 Filter 1 9 BHA 5286 Remote filter assembly 1 10 BHH 1231 Oil gauge union 1 11 6K 464 Washer 1 REMARKS Chrome bumper SECTION C - Clutch Components NO. BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) PART NO. DESCRIPTION QTY/CAR GCP 208 Clutch plate 1 GCC 180 Clutch cover 1 REMARKS Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/MGBGTV8-Parts-Catalog.htm GRB 224 Release bearing 1 22B 725 Release bearing clip 2 11G 3196 Pivot bolt 1 11G 3195 Pivot bush 1 22B 450 Gaiter 1 12H 2178 Washer 1 SECTION D - Gearbox NO. PART NO. DESCRIPTION QTY/CAR 1 90514854 Inhibitor / reverse switch 2 2 1B 3664 Spacer washer A/R 3 21H 6060 Breather 1 4 BHH 2072 Gaiter 1 5 BHH 788 Gear level knob 1 BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) REMARKS Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/MGBGTV8-Parts-Catalog.htm 6 54K1723 Locknut 1 7 DAM 3079 Lever 1 8 22B 525 Bolt 3 9 2K 2545 Washer 3 10 DAM 2576 Plate 1 11 22H 15 Bush 2 12 228372 Gasket 1 13 228405 Gasket 1 14 228295 Bush 1 15 228 684 Front cover 1 16 88G 545 Oil seal 1 17 228385 Gasket 1 18 22B 319 Gasket 1 19 22B 356 Nut 1 20 22H 798 Lock tab 1 21 6K 778 Shim A/R Size 2 thou. 21 6K 779 Shim A/R Size 4 thou. 22 6K 780 Spring ring 1 23 6K 777 Bearing 1 24 22B 703 1st motion shaft 1 25 22H 774 3rd motion shaft bearing 1 26 22H 772 3rd motion shaft nut 1 27 22H 773 Lock tab 1 28 8G 3032 3rd motion shaft 1 29 228611 Overdrivecam 1 30 37H 1911 Circlip 1 31 22B 588 Main bearing carrier 1 32 13H 7268 Main bearing 1 33 22B 464 Shim A/R Size 2 thou. 33 22B 465 Shim A/R Size 5 thou. 33 22B 466 Shim A/R Size 10 thou. 34 22B 425 Distance Piece 1 35 22B 516 Locktab 1 36 22B 515 Rearnut 1 37 NKC 39 Overdrive oil seal 1 38 22B 619 Overdrive rear flange 1 39 37H 3877 Rear overdrive nut 1 40 22H 1028 3rd and 4th baulk ring 2 41 22H 1168 3rd and 4th synchronizer 1 42 22H 1062 Sleeve 1 43 22B 562 3rd gear 1 44 22H 281 Gearbush 3 45 22H 1034 Interlock 1 46 22B 560 2nd gear 1 47 22H 276 2nd gear thrust 1 48 88G 397 lst/2nd baulk ring 3 49 DAM 4104 1st/2nd synchronizer 1 50 22H 827 Synchronizer spring 6 51 BLS 109 Ball 6 52 DAM 597 1st gear 1 53 DAM 1740 Reverse gear 1 DAM 2147 Spacingwasher 1 54 22H 308 Reverse gear idler 1 55 22H 310 Bush 1 56 88G 467 Reverse shaft 1 57 1B 3363 Lock tab 1 58 1G 3581 Locating nut 1 59 22B 691 Front thrust washer 1 60 22H 477 Circlip 2 61 22B 702 Lay gear 1 62 22B 280 Lay shaft 1 63 22H 478 Spacer tube 1 64 AHU 1041 Lay gear bearing 2 65 22B 692 Thrust rear 1 0.134" 65 22B 693 Thrust rear 1 0.131" 65 22B 694 Thrust rear 1 0.127" BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) 1 tooth difference to original 0.124" Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/MGBGTV8-Parts-Catalog.htm 65 22B 695 Thrust rear 1 0.124" 65 22B 696 Thrust rear 1 0.120" 66 22B 687 Overdrive - new 1 66 22B 687E Overdrive - exchange 1 67 37H 1943 Magnet set 1 68 37H 1942 Filter assembly 1 69 37H 1946 Screw 6 70 37H 1934 Solenoid valve kit 1 71 NKC 102 O-ring 1 72 NKC 99 O-ring 1 73 37H 1935 Coil only 1 74 BLS 106 Ball valve 1 75 37H 1939 O-ring 1 76 37H 1941 Gasket 1 77 53K 126 Screw 4 78 37H 3463 Speedo drive 1 79 NKC 101 O-ring 1 80 37H 1955 Speedo bearing 1 81 NKC 105 Oil seal 1 82 37H 1957 Lock plate 1 83 37H 1959 Screw 1 84 120694 Angle drive 1 SGB 0008 Gasket set 1 BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/MGBGTV8-Parts-Catalog.htm SECTION E - Cooling NO. PART NO. DESCRIPTION QTY/CAR REMARKS 1 ARA 2634 Plug - plastic 1 Alternative 1 ARA 2404 Plug - brass 1 Alternative 2 TRS 1418 O-ring 1 Alternative 2 TRS 1418A Plasticseal 1 3 GRH 1002/M Hose - radiator/expansion tank 1/3 metre 3 GRH 1001/M Hose overflow 1/2 metre 4 21K8341 Clip for above 2 5 ARH 250 Expansion tank 1 6 BHH 2132 Mounting bracket 1 7 GRC 110 Tank pressure cap 1 8 ARC 88 Radiator 1 Chrome bumper 8 ARC 88/E Radiator - reconditioned 1 Chrome bumper 8 NRP 1059 Radiator 1 Rubber bumper 8 NRP 1059/E Radiator - reconditioned 1 Rubber bumper 9 GRH 512 Top hose 1 10 GHC 1622 Jubilee clip 2 BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) Alternatives Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/MGBGTV8-Parts-Catalog.htm 10 GHC 1622/A Wire clip 2 11 GRH 511 Bottom hose 1 12 GHC 1217 Jubilee clip 2 Alternatives 12 GHC 1217/A Wire clip 2 Alternatives 13 BHH 1304 LH bracket 1 13 BHH 1052 RH bracket 1 14 GWP 310 Water pump 1 15 610756 Gasket 1 16 ERC 2279 Hose 90/elbow 1 17 ERC 2278 S shaped hose 1 18 602582 Pump pulley 1 19 GFB 11125 Fan belt 1 20 BHH 1005 Thermostat housing 1 21 GTS 104 Thermostat 1 22 GTG 125 Thermostat gasket 1 23 BHH 1064 Steam hose 1 24 BHH 1082 Hose - heater 1 25 BHH 1083 Hose - heater to outlet pipe 1 26 BHA 5297 Heater tap 1 27 12H 3868 Heater - tap gasket 1 28 BHA 5407 Heater-control cable 1 28 BHH 1230 Air control cable 1 29 BHA 5226 Heater control 1 29 BHA 4327 Air control 1 Chrome bumper 30 BHA 4334 Heater knob 1 Chrome bumper 30 BHH 738 Air knob 1 Rubber bumper 30 BHH 1687 Heater knob 1 Rubber bumper 30 BHH 1688 Air knob 1 31 BHH 1305 Fan guard 1 32 BHH 1028 RH motor bracket 1 33 BHH 1306 LH motor bracket 1 34 BHH 1029 Mounting bracket 2 2 35 ALU 1081 Fan - motor 36 13H 8238 Fan 2 37 37H 8572 Fan - locating screw 2 38 UKC 5146 Relay 1 Alternatives SECTION F - Exhaust System and Components NO. PART NO. DESCRIPTION QTY/CAR 1 GEX 7204 Centre mounting 1 2 BH 605221 Bolt 1 BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) REMARKS Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/MGBGTV8-Parts-Catalog.htm 3 GEX 7182 Bush 4 GEX 7183 Bracket 2 1 5 GEX 7201 Rear mounting bracket 1 Chrome bumper 5 GEX 7442 Rear mounting bracket 1 Rubber bumper 6 GEX 7202 Bracket 1 7 GEX 7203 Clip 2 8 GEX 7251 Mounting 2 9 AHC 442 Insulator 4 10 GEX 7193 O-ring gasket 2 11 GEX 138 Exhaust system 1 Chrome bumper 11 GEX 158 Exhaust system 1 Rubber bumper SECTION G - Rear Axle and Propshaft Assembly NO. PART NO. DESCRIPTION QTY/CAR 1 BTB 674 Gasket 1 2 DAM 2441 Back plate 1 3 6K 499 Filler/drain plug 2 4 21H 6060 Breather 1 5 BTA 249 Nut 2 6 BTA 243 Collar 2 7 BTB 187 Stud 8 8 DAM 4122 Drive flange 2 2 9 AAA 982 Collar taper 10 GHS 179 Oil seal 2 11 BTB 682 Hub bearing cap 2 12 GHB 158 Bearing 2 BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) REMARKS Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/MGBGTV8-Parts-Catalog.htm 13 BTB 681 Spacer 2 14 BTB 700 Half shaft 2 15 BTB 900 CW&P 1 16 BTB 432 Bolt 8 17 BTC 9001 Bearing differential 2 18 BTB 871 Pinion pin 1 19 BTB 1249 Differential pinion 2 20 1G 7445 Thrust 2 21 BTB 428 Gear wheel differential 2 22 ATB 7072 Thrust 2 23 539706 Inner bearing 1 24 BTB 853 Collapsible spacer 1 25 549420 Outer bearing 1 26 BTB 1326 Oil seal 1 27 BTC 350 Dust cover 1 28 BTB 855 Prop flange 1 29 BTB 933 Washer 1 30 BTB 753 Nut 1 31 AHH 9268 B Hubcap badge 4 32 BHH 1060 Hubcap 4 33 BHH 1087 Wheel nut 16 34 AHC 113 Prop shaft 1 34 AHC 113/E Reconditioned propshaft 1 35 22B 483 Bolt gearbox end 4 35 53K 117 Bolt axle end 4 GHF 223 Nut 8 36 600656 Range 2 37 GUJ 108 Universal joint 2 38 27H 8095 Sleeve yoke 1 BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) 3.071:1 Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/MGBGTV8-Parts-Catalog.htm SECTION H - Steering and Front Suspension NO. PART NO. DESCRIPTION QTY/CAR REMARKS 1 BHH 868/F Reconditioned steering rack 1 Chrome bumper 1 BHH 1597/E Reconditioned steering rack 1 Rubber bumper 2 BHM 7124 1 pair gaiters and clips 1 set 3 GSJ 168 Track rod end 2 4 17H 3501 Gaiter 2 5 53K 320 Nut 2 6 ADG 1682 Clip-large 2 7 3H2963 Clip-small 2 8 AHH 6007 Shim A/R 9 18G 8905 Steering lock 1 10 AHH 6000 Universal joint 1 Chrome bumper 10 575732 Universal joint 1 Rubber bumper 11 17H 3873 Universal joint repair kit 1 Chrome bumper only 12 AAU 1161 Horn push 1 BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/MGBGTV8-Parts-Catalog.htm 13 BHH 1307 Steering wheel 1 14 BHH 2103 Nut steering wheel 1 15 BHH 806 Steering column 1 Chrome bumper 15 BHH 1596 Steering column 1 Rubber bumper 16 BHA 5041 Horn brush 1 17 BHA 5042 Horn slip ring 1 18 BHH 803 Cross member 1 19 AHH 6205 Upper pad 4 20 AHH 6204 Bolt mounting 2 20 BHH 805 Bolt mountkig 2 21 AHH 6206 Mounting pad - lower 4 4 22 23 AHH 6207 Plate clamp LNZ 108 Nut 8 AHC 146 Anti roll bar bolt 2 FNZ 108 Nut 2 24 AHH 5939 ARB brush 2 Use with AHC 146 25 BHH 882 Anti roll bar 1 Chrome bumper 25 BHH 1217 Anti roll bar 1 Rubber bumper 26 AHH 6543 RH link 1 26 AHH 6544 LH link 1 27 21A 667 Upper locator 2 Chrome bumper 28 21A 668 Lower locator 2 Chrome bumper 29 AHH 6546 Locator 4 Rubber bumper 30 1B 7356 Mounting strap 2 31 1B 4526 Mounting bush 2 Chrome bumper 31 AHH 6541 Mounting bush 2 Rubber bumper 32 GSA 119 Front shock absorbers 2 BL new unit 32 GSA 119A Front shock absorbers 2 BL reconditioned 32 GSA 119E Front shock absorbers 2 Standard reconditioned 33 1G 4349 Top fulcrum pin 2 NL 607041 Nut 2 34 8G 621 Bush 4 35 AHH 6514 Rebound buffer 2 36 AAA 5024 Distance piece 2 37 BHH 1077 Front spring 2 38 BTB 396 RH steering arm 1 38 BTB 397 LH steering arm 1 39 BTB 410 Bolt 4 40 ATC 4249A Top castle nut 2 41 ATC 4249 Trunnion block 2 42 BTB 764E RH exchange swivel and king pin 1 42 BTB 765E LH exchange swivel and king pin 1 42 BTB 764A RH exchange swivel and king pin 1 Using BL king pin 42 BTB 765A LH exchange swivel and king pin 1 Using BL king pin 43 BTB 183 Spacer 2 44 GHS 101 Oil seal 2 45 GHB 105 Inner bearing 2 46 88G 484 Spacer 2 47 ATB 4240 3 thou. shim A/R 47 ATB 4241 5 thou. shim A/R 47 ATB 4242 10 thou. shim A/R 47 BTB 656 30 thou. shim A/R 48 BTB 187 Stud 8 49 DAM 4121 Hub 2 50 2A 4067 Cap 2 51 GHB 102 Bearing 2 GHK 1005 Bearing kit 2 1A 4742 Keyed washer 2 52 Comprises 44,45 & 51 53 53K 330 Nut 2 54 804221 King pin set 2 BL original 54 8G 4221A King pin set 2 Not BL 55 BTB 768 Lower trunnion bush 2 56 1G 4271 Dust tube top 2 57 2K 8951 Dust tube spring 2 58 21B 251 Dust tube bottom 2 59 NL 608041 Castle nut 4 Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/MGBGTV8-Parts-Catalog.htm 60 AAA 1330 Washer 61 BHH 1123 Bush 4 4 62 AHH 5927 RH front wishbone 1 62 AHH 5929 LH front wishbone arm 1 62 AAA 1326 Rear wishbone arm 2 63 AHH 5925 Spring pan 2 64 AHH 4003 Inner pivot 2 65 ACB 5255 Inner pivot bolt 8 66 LNZ 106 Inner nut 4 High tensile nut 66 FNZ 506 Outer nut 4 High tensile nut 67 ND 608041 Castle nut 2 68 BHH 1773 Distance tube 2 69 AAA 1323 Seal 4 70 AAA 1390 Thrust 4 71 AAA 1324 Seal support 4 72 AHH 4001 Special bolt 2 T grade bolts T grade high tensile SECTION H - Rear Suspension NO. PART NO. DESCRIPTION QTY/CAR REMARKS 1 GSA 328 RH shock absorber 1 BL new chrome bumper 1 GSA 329 LH shock absorber 1 BL new chrome bumper 1 GSA 328E RH shock absorber 1 Reconditioned chrome bumper 1 GSA 329E LH shock absorber 1 Reconditioned chrome bumper 1 GSA 368 RH shock absorber 1 BL new rubber bumper 1 GSA 367 LH shock absorber 1 BL new rubber bumper 1 GSA 368A RH shock absorber 1 BL reconditioned rubber bumper 1 GSA 367A LH shock absorber 1 BL reconditioned rubber bumper 1 GSA 368E RH shock absorber 1 Reconditioned rubber bumper 1 GSA 367E LH shock absorber 1 Reconditioned rubber bumper Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/MGBGTV8-Parts-Catalog.htm 2 GHF 203 Nut 4 3 GHF 334 Spring washer 4 4 GHF 303 Flat washer 4 5 BH 607261 Bolt 4 Chrome bumper 5 BH 607241 Bolt 2 Rubber bumper 5 BH 607261 Bolt 2 Rubber bumper 6 37H 8075 Link 2 Chrome bumper 6 37H 8778 Link 2 Rubber bumper 7 AHC 109 U-bolt 4 8 GHF 223 Nut 8 9 AHH 9158 Bump stop 2 10 BHH 1030 Pedestal 2 Chrome bumper 10 AHH 7335 Pedestal 2 Rubber bumper 11 AHH 7334 Plate locating 4 12 ACG 5002 Spring seat - rubber 4 13 AHH 7337 RH bottom plate 1 13 AHH 7338 LH bottom plate 1 14 BHH 1133 Spring assembly 2 Chrome bumper 14 BHH 1771 Spring assembly 2 Rubber bumper 15 AHH 6446 Front spring bush 2 16 GHF 203 Nut 2 17 GHF 334 Washer 2 18 BH 607241 Bolt 2 19 AHH 5018 Shackle 2 20 2A5176 Bush 8 21 AHH 5019 Shackle plate 2 22 GHF 333 Washer 4 23 GHF 202 Nut 4 24 BH 605151 Check strap bolt 2 25 AHH 6162 Distance tube 2 26 8HH 989 Check strap 2 27 GHF 301 Washer 2 28 GHF 331 Spring washer 2 29 GHF 201 Nut 2 30 GHF 202 Nut 2 31 GHF 332 Spring washer 2 31 GHF 302 Flat washer 2 Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/MGBGTV8-Parts-Catalog.htm SECTION I - Brake, Clutch Master and Slave Cylinders NO. PART NO. DESCRIPTION QTY/CAR REMARKS 1 8G8258 Brake master cylinder repair kit 1 Changed during production 1 BHM 7125 Brake master cylinder repair kit 1 Changed during production 2 SHA 5076 Servo 1 AAU 2071 Servo-hose to valve 1 3 GMC 15Q Brake master cylinder 1 4 233220 Gasket 3 Servo & master cylinders 5 7H7851 Banjo 2 Servo & brake master cylinders 6 3H550 Gasket 3 Servo & master cylinders 7 C5192 Banjo bolt 2 Master cylinders 8 BHA 4310 Banjo 1 Clutch master cylinders Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/MGBGTV8-Parts-Catalog.htm 9 AHH 8556 Cover 1 10 AHH 6156 Seal 1 11 AHH 7052 Seal 1 Chrome bumper 11 BHH 1608 Seal 1 Rubber bumper 12 AHH 8522 Brake pedal 1 12 AHH 6154 Clutch pedal 1 13 AAA 4129 Pivot bush 2 14 AAA 1628 Return spring 2 15 AHH 5100 Pedal rubber 2 16 CLZ 514 Clevis pin 2 17 AHH 8421 Master cylinder box 1 18 513123 Filler cap 1 19 BHA 5217 Clutch master cylinder 1 20 8G8730 Repair kit - clutch master cylinder 1 21 37H 8090 Clutch master cylinder push rod 1 21 17H 7985 Brake master cylinder push rod 1 22 BHA 4675 Brake switch 23 NT 606041 Locknut 24 DAM 620 Slave cylinder 25 BHM 7061 Repair kit 1 26 3H2428 Bleed nipple 1 27 13H 3655 Push rod 1 28 2K 5622 Clevis pin 1 29 ACC 5509 Flexible hose 1 30 2K 8686 Lock nut 1 31 90577490 Connector 3-way 2 32 GBH 159 Rear brake hose 1 33 BCA 4002 Connector 1 34 TM 606031 Connector male A/R 35 11D 5050 Connector female A/R 36 GBH 158 Front brake hose 2 Fitted up to GD2DI 2707 36 GBH 172 Front brake hose 2 Fitted from GD2D1 2708 37 233220 Seal 3 38 NT 606041 Nut 3 39 1G 9198 Locking plate 3 1 Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/MGBGTV8-Parts-Catalog.htm SECTION I - Front and Rear Brakes NO. PART NO. DESCRIPTION QTY/CAR 1 37H 8100 RH caliper 1 REMARKS 1 37H 8099 LH caliper 1 2 BTC 114 Lock tab 2 3 ATB 4074 Locating bolt 4 High tensile bolt 4 BTB 198 Disc bolt 8 High tensile bolt FNZ 506 Disc nut 8 High tensile nut 5 BTB 1319 Disc 2 6 BTB 1320 RH back plate 1 6 BTB 1321 LH back plate 1 7 GBP 212 4 brake pads 1 set 8 PS610241 Split pin 4 9 17H 7990 Anti rattle spring 4 10 GBH 158 Front brake hose 2 All chrome and upto GD2D1 2707 rubber bumper 10 GBH 172 Front brake hose 2 From GD2D1 2707 rubber bumper 11 37H 8100 A Caliper piston 4 12 8G 8641 Caliper seal kit 2 13 3H 2428 Bleed nipple 2 14 BTB 706 Brake drum 2 15 17H 7994 RH pull off spring 1 15 17H 7995 LH pull off spring 1 Do not split caliper body Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/MGBGTV8-Parts-Catalog.htm 16 27H 6478 Pull off spring - adjuster end 2 17 27H 6479 Handbrake pull off spring 2 18 17H 7993 Steady pin 4 19 17H 7969 Steady spring 4 20 17H 7971 Clip washer 4 21 17H 8057 Hand brake lever boot 2 22 37H 2005 RH hand brake lever 1 22 37H 2006 LH hand brake lever 1 23 513107 Adjuster assembly 2 27H 2203 Wedge screw 2 27H 6472 Tappet 4 2 24 GWC 1103 Wheel cylinder 25 8G 8674 Repair kit 2 26 17H 7949 Retaining clip 2 27 513118 Bleed nipple 2 28 GBS 772 Brake shoe set 2 29 27H 6476 RH back plate 1 29 27H 6477 LH back plate 1 30 GBH 159 Rear brake hose 1 31 SF604051 Brake drum screw 4 Part of 513107 32 AHH 8450 Hand brake cable 1 Chrome bumper 32 BHH 1470 Hand brake cable 1 Rubber bumper GBF 101 Brake fluid 1 Small GBF 102 Brake fluid 1 Medium GBF 103 Brake fluid 1 Large GAT 101 Brake bleed valve kit 1 Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/MGBGTV8-Parts-Catalog.htm SECTION J - Ignition Systems, Starter Motors and Alternators NO. PART NO. DESCRIPTION QTY/CAR 1 GDC 117 Distributor cap 1 2 608194 Vacuum unit 1 3 GRA 112 Rotor arm 1 4 GCS 117 Points 1 5 GSC 111 Condenser 1 6 614033 Distributor 1 7 602397 Clamp 1 8 513682 O-ring 1 9 614768 High tension coil to distributor 1 10 GHT 107 Complete high tension lead set 1 11 GCL 111 Coil 1 12 603673 Spacer for high tension leads 2 13 37H 4229/M Vacuum pipe 1 REMARKS 2/3 metre Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/MGBGTV8-Parts-Catalog.htm 14 12B 2095 Straight pipe connector 1 15 12B 2062 90 degree pipe connector 1 16 BHA 5195 Alternator 1 16 BHA 5195E Alternator - exchange 1 17 602369 Fixing bracket 1 18 BHH 997 Adjusting bracket 1 19 BHA 5223 Starter 1 19 BHA 5223/E Starter - exchange 1 20 BAU 1091 Solenoid 1 21 37H 8048 Kit - drive roller clutch 1 22 GSB 111 Starter brushes 1 set 23 BHH 1260 Heat shield 1 90611504 Starter mounting bolt 2 SECTION J - Switches and Wiring Harness NO. PART NO. DESCRIPTION QTY/CAR 1 18G 9012 Indicator cowl 1 REMARKS 2 BHA 5113 Heater switch 1 3 BHA 5296 Rear window heater switch 1 4 BHA 5267 Hazard warning switch 1 5 BHA 5111 Light switch 1 6 37H 7994 Panel light switch 1 7 37H 7995 Knob for above 1 8 37H 8101 Indicator switch 1 9 37H 8102 Horn brush and bracket 1 10 BHH 402 Indicator cancel mechanism 1 11 BHA 5251 Wiper/washer/overdrive switch 1 12 13H 2018 Tailgate light switch 1 13 BHA 4593 Interior light switch 1 14 ZKC 1152 Lighter 1 15 563417 Starter relay 1 All chrome bumper models 16 CHM 68 Starter relay 1 Rubber bumper, GD2D1 2742 on 17 37H 4727 Fuse box 1 37H 4727 A Fuse box cover 1 18 BHH 1223 Main harness 1 18 BHH 385 Body and boot harness 1 Chrome bumper Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/MGBGTV8-Parts-Catalog.htm 18 BHH 1742 Body and boot harness 1 Rubber bumper SECTION K - Speedos, Rev Counters and Washer Bottle NO. PART NO. 4 BHH 1285 DESCRIPTION QTY/CAR REMARKS Note: Up to GD221 1148: oil pressure reading taken from filter housing. Pipe (filter to flexible connector) 1 Note: From GD2D1 1149: oil pressure reading taken from oil pump base. 1 AHA 6392 Pipe (oil pump to flexible connector) 1 5 BHH 1347 Flexi hose 1 3 88G 308 Clips 2 4 BHH 1345 Pipe (flexible-to-flexible) 1 Note: All models require these parts at the oil pressure gauge end. Pipe (gauge to flexible connector) 1 CHA 600 Flexible connector 1 880308 Clip 2 6 BHA 5331 Dual guage 1 6 SDG 4004 E Reconditioned dual gauge 1 7 BHA 5212 1 7 MGP 1810 OOE Tacho-reconditioned 1 8 BHA 5210 Speedo SN 5230/uS 1 8 MGP 5230 11E Speedo reconditioned 1 9 GSD 115 Speedo cable 1 11 GWW 125 Washer pump 1 12 BHH 1154 Bracket 1 13 GWW 901 Bottle 1 14 GWW 952 Cap 1 15 GWW 951 Filler adaptor 1 4 BHH 1281 2 3 Tacho RVC/1810/00 One for one only. One for one only. One for one only. Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/MGBGTV8-Parts-Catalog.htm SECTION L - Grilles, Badges and Door Mirrors NO. PART NO. DESCRIPTION QTY/CAR REMARKS 1 BHH 824 Honeycombe grille assembly (original) 1 Chrome bumper models 1 BHH 831 Grille surround (original) 1 Chrome bumper models 2 BHH 829 Grillebadge-red 1 Chrome bumper models 3 ARH 1800 Plinth 1 Chrome bumper models 4 BHH 1614 Air grille duct 1 Rubber bumper models 5 BHH 1753 Mesh grille 1 6 CHA 344 Red/silver nose badge 1 GD2D1 2101 to 2722 6 CHA 544 Black/silver nose badge 1 GD2D1 2723 to 2903 7 BHH 1400 RH GT rear quarter flash 1 GD2D1 2723 to 2903 7 BHH 1401 LH GT rear quarter flash 1 GD2D1 2723 to 2903 8 BHH 855 Tailgate badge - blue flash 1 All models upto GD2D1 2722. 8 HZA 5024 Tailgate badge - black flash 1 GD2D1 2723 on 9 CZH 2717 House badge 1 Nearside wing only 10 HZA 4701 V8 badge 3/2 Qty reduced on rubber bumper 10 HZA 5022 V8 badge - gold 2 Last few cars only 8 HZA 5023 Tailgate badge - gold 1 Last few cars only 6 CHA 507 Nose badge - gold 1 11 GAM 211 Offside mirror - convex 1 11 GAM 212 Nearside mirror - convex 1 11 GAM 213 Offside mirror - flat 1 11 GAM 214 Nearside mirror - flat 1 Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/MGBGTV8-Parts-Catalog.htm SECTION M - Jacks, Tools and Wheel Caps NO. PART NO. DESCRIPTION QTY/CAR 1 BHA 5329 Jack 1 2 AHH 6540 Tool roll 1 3 BHH 1111 Spare wheel clamp 1 4 BHH 1086 Spanner 5 BHH 1087 Wheel nut 16 6 BHH 1060 Hubcap 4 AHH 9268B Hub cap badge 4 BHH 1330 RH Kangol seat belt Auto 1 BHH 1331 LH Kangol seat belt Auto 1 BHH 938 Seat belt park 2 REMARKS Use with BHH 1060. Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/MGBGTV8-Parts-Catalog.htm This British Leyland publicity photo appeared on the back cover of the Moss parts catalog. BritishV8 Magazine has assembled the largest, most authoritative collection of MG "MGB GT V8" information you'll find anywhere. Check it out! Access our MGB GT V8 article index by clicking here. British V8 Home: Read the Magazine Photo Gallery Contact Us Site Map Web Forum Annual Meets Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/University-Motors-V8-MGB.htm University Motors - MG Distributors as published in BritishV8 Magazine, Volume XVII Issue 1, July 2009 This advertisement appeared in "Classic Car" magazine, in the issue dated October 1973. V8 MGB GT & MGB For immediate or early delivery. Personal tax free exports. 209 Balham High Road London SW17 Tel: 01-675 0241 BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/University-Motors-V8-MGB.htm Enjoying this article? Our magazine is funded through the generous support of readers like you! To contribute to our operating budget, please click here and follow the instructions. (Suggested contribution is twenty bucks per year. Feel free to give more!) BritishV8 Magazine has assembled the largest, most authoritative collection of MG "MGB GT V8" information you'll find anywhere. Check it out! Access our MGB GT V8 article index by clicking here. BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) British V8 Home: Read the Magazine Photo Gallery Web Forum Annual Meets Contact Us Site Map Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/MGBGTV8-Classic-Car.htm Classics for 1974: MGB GT V8 as published in BritishV8 Magazine, Volume XVII Issue 1, July 2009 Re-printed unedited by exclusive written permission of "Classic Car". This article originally appeared in their inaugural October 1973 issue. It would be unkind to extol the virtues of the new MG under a 'return of the big Healey' banner, but this is certainly the nearest in the British Leyland sports car range to the last of the Austin Healey 3000s. Anyway the big Healey has returned in between, first as the lamentable but lamented MGC - killed by the press but improved too late to recover - and the Datsun 240Z. The MG V8 is a muscle car in performance terms with all the charming practicability of the MGB GT in an uprated shell. Despite strong denials of its existence, even in the face of the well-known Costello productions, British Leyland started work on this car in summer 1971. Market research had shown that large production sports cars stay around for some time - inevitable with fewer cars to carry tooling costs - that there was a market gap for a developed sports car to compete against the sporty coupes, and that there was a trend for sports cars to have engines over 2.5-litres. The compact, lightweight Rover V8 developed from the Buick engine, was an obvious choice. In basic terms it is 40 lb. lighter than the cast-iron MGB 1.8-litre but by the time the anti-noise, anti-emission ancillaries have been added the power plant is heavier than the original. Please support the sponsoring companies who make British V8 possible, including: Inevitably the recent safety and emission laws have taken a lot of engineer's development time for no outward difference; this has put off more than one model launch and has certainly delayed the arrival of this one. So it wasn't just a question of slotting a clean V8 into an existing design. In keeping with the low-octane fuel requirements the compression ratio has now been lowered to 8.25:1 for 94-octane fuel; to maintain the normal B bonnet line twin SU's are mounted at the back of the engine, facing rearwards and breathing through a pair of pancake filters on top of the camboxes; these inhale the general underbonnet air and from a collector over the exhaust manifold, with a bimetallic valve adjusting the quantities of hot and less-hot air. Against the quoted 180 gross bhp from the original 3500 engine, the B version now produces 137 net bhp, or under 50 per cent more than the original 1.8-litre. The new torque figure - 193 lb.ft. - is the best reflection of the capabilities of the larger engine. To fit it in, changes have been made to the bulkhead and to the front cross member while the wheelarches have been reshaped to clear the exhaust plumbing. The gearbox is a re-ratioed MGC one with higher intermediates (much nicer) and a larger bellhousing for a bigger clutch. Giving maxima in the gears of 41, 64, 99 and 124 the ratios are very well chosen to give that equal mph span per gear (apart from first) that gives ideal acceleration. A Laycock overdrive on the back gives an 18 per cent rev, drop which is ideal for fast and effortless cruising best reflected by fuel consumption improvements of 10 per cent or more over 80 mph. The final drive at 3.07:1 is also from the MGC. To cope with the extra torque the leaf rear springs have been uprated and so have the front coils, partly to maintain the balance of roll and pitch rates and also to compensate for the extra weight on the front wheels. The steering rack has been moved to lighten the steering by decreasing castor as the tyres are a section up on standard GT at 175HR-14. These are mounted on 5J wheels with cast alloy centres riveted to chrome steel rims. BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/MGBGTV8-Classic-Car.htm Virtually unchanged from that of the MGB GT, the interior for the V8 is spartan for the price with its rubber matting and crackle black metal fascia. Somewhat disappointingly, the facia layout is virtually unchanged; the fresh air grilles of recent adoption are good but the rotary heater controls have never been easy to use. Rubber flooring doesn't really live up to the new big GT image but the seats are an improvement with good adjustment. Not only does the big V8 sound quite different, it is also a lot quieter from the moment it starts than the old B-series unit. Even when wound up to 5000 rpm it is still only a muted thrum which you only begin to notice around 3000 rpm - 85 mph in overdrive top. Obviously the MG engineers have done a good job on mountings and insulation. Cruising along at 70 mph is very restful, apart from a certain amount of curable wind-noise and is quite easy on the pocket too at 275 mpg on 3-star fuel. A torque-engine capable of pulling strongly from around 1000 rpm means that most of your motoring will be in third and top, in 600 miles of out-of-town running we recorded 23.2 mpg which compares very well with a staff Jensen-Healey which makes harder work of similar averages for 20 mpg. Actual figures of 0-60 mph in 7.7 seconds and 30-70 mph in 12 seconds in 3rd tell most of the story. We didn't check the maximum speed but the factory claim 124 mph at 5300 rpm in direct top, just 300 rpm over the peak. Overdrive, engaged by the washer/wiper stalk on the column, doesn't help outright performance. If you want to play tunes on the gearbox it is very nice to use but not really necessary, except perhaps in the Alps. Enjoying this article? Our magazine is funded through the generous support of readers like you! To contribute to our operating budget, please click here and follow the instructions. (Suggested contribution is twenty bucks per year. Feel free to give more!) The chassis is the least satisfactory part of the marriage; when the MGB first came out in 1962 with the usual wishbone front, leaf spring live axle rear layout, the ride was reckoned to be very good. Alright, it rolled more than the MGA, but the ride was definitely good for a sports car of that era. With the BGT in 1965 it was firmer but still quite good, the roadholding on the 5J wheels which were standard was certainly good enough for all normal road use. Now with the GT V8 and stiffer springing all round the ride is poor particularly by modern standards; others have shown that a live axle ride can still be good. On most main roads it is quite acceptable and there is very little road noise, but on bumpy roads it feels as though most of the road amplitude is passed to the occupants. Uncomfortable at times. Somehow the car feels heavier than the 1.8 B GT, but more solid due to better insulation; the steering is direct but firm and kickback is minimal. Roadholding on big tyres is good within the limitation imposed by the surface and you can throw the car around quite happily; it takes a lot of power to shift the tail on wet roads too. Seats and driving position are good and most sizes can find a comfortable position with good visibility. With the back seat, strictly for [children] under 7, folded down there is a useful luggage area and it is easy to load through the lift-up tailgate. The great charm of the MG's is that they are thoroughly honest vehicles which will never get you into trouble; they are always predictable and essentially reliable. At its best on open roads as a long legged tourer it is just as suited to shopping trips. There is just one drawback - the price at £2310 including the nice inertia reel seat belts is rather higher than expected. You could have the Rover 3500S for the same! BritishV8 Magazine has assembled the largest, most authoritative collection of MG "MGB GT V8" information you'll find anywhere. Check it out! Access our MGB GT V8 article index by clicking here. BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) British V8 Home: Read the Magazine Photo Gallery Web Forum Annual Meets Contact Us Site Map Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/MGB-GT-V8-vs-Sunbeam-Tiger.htm A Tale of Two Vees 1973 MGB GT (plus Rover) versus 1967 Sunbeam (plus Ford) as published in BritishV8 Magazine, Volume XVII Issue 1, July 2009 Re-printed unedited by exclusive written permission of "Classic Car". This article originally appeared in their inaugural October 1973 issue. "To accept depreciation or not, that is the question. Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous production. Or to take up arms against a sea of troubles and by opposing, end them." We are not too concerned with your mental nobility but more with that of your bank manager in this series. Not all second hand cars are likely to be a sea of troubles any more than current production cars are likely to pepper the mind with slings and arrows, but you get the picture and Shakespeare put it more succinctly. Please support the sponsoring companies who make British V8 possible, including: No excuse is needed for comparing these two. They are both professional shoehorn jobs the with the intention of converting mundane sports tourers into classic he-men sports cars. As a new car the MGB GT V8 costs £2,294; "our" Tiger, a rare 4.7-litre right hand drive version with hardtop, Minilites and Konis is priced at £1,500. The graphs of appreciation and depreciation will cross during the next year or two at some £1,750. Which do you buy? We'll start by considering them as cars on the road today. They are both fast; in fact the 0-60 mph time recorded by Motor for the MGB was 7.7 sec, while Autocar recorded 7.8 sec on the 4.7 Tiger that our Publishing Director Maurice Smith used to run. Maximum speeds too are very similar with the Tiger getting into the red at 5,500 rpm with 125 mph and the MGB hitting the same speed at 5,400 rpm in direct top - overdrive, giving 28.5 mph per 1,000 rpm, is ideal for effortless cruising but no help to more performance. The Tiger certainly felt as though it was still capable of the same sort of figures. BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/MGB-GT-V8-vs-Sunbeam-Tiger.htm Both are lazy cars too with Tiger torque at 282 lb/ft (gross) at 2,200 rpm and the MG 193 lb/ft (net) at 2,900 rpm; the MG at 211 cwt is ten per cent lighter than the Tiger’s 231 cwt so the feel is much the same. Both can pull easily from under 1,500 rpm; the Tiger’s surge of power is just a steady rush all the way up while the MG gets into its stride from 2,600 rpm onwards. The Tiger II gearbox had lower intermediate ratios than the original Tiger but it still had a higher first than the MG. Both boxes are nice to use with close ratios if you want the ultimate performance for overtaking but most of the time you stick to third gear for roundabouts. The Borg-Warner in the Tiger has a long travel but is no heavier to use. Bigger engines tend to be thirstier engines and the Tiger returned 15-20 mpg for town and country use while a 600-mile mixture with the MG gave 23.2 mpg which could make quite a saving over a large annual mileage. Enjoying this article? Our magazine is funded through the generous support of readers like you! To contribute to our operating budget, please click here and follow the instructions. (Suggested contribution is twenty bucks per year. Feel free to give more!) As both cars have their origins from over ten years ago - Alpine 1959 and MGB 1962 - there isn't a lot to choose between them on styling. Certainly the Tiger doesn't look dated against the MGB GT although the latter is still current. Both cars are 2+vestigial 2 with the MG having the advantage of the lift-up rear door for easy loading, but losing to the Tiger if you want to conceal your luggage from the public gaze. One might have expected the MGB interior to look modern and more aware of safety padding than the Tiger, but it still uses the same old crackle black tin fascia with a padded top while the Tiger's wooden facia still looks attractive. The MG has a padded steering wheel though, which is much better looking than the stock mock-wood of the other, as well as safer. BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/MGB-GT-V8-vs-Sunbeam-Tiger.htm It's in suspension that the difference is more obvious; although both employ the same basic layout with a leaf sprung rear axle, the Tiger is much more jiggly on bumpy surfaces and could be really quite tiring on a long secondary road run. One would like to be able to say that the MG is a lot better, but whereas the ride is quieter it isn't a lot smoother over the same surfaces. Once on fast main roads though, the MGB is much more effortless with its long-legged overdrive and engine virtually inaudible up to 3,500 rpm beyond the note changes to a gentle thrum. The Tiger engine is as effortless but audible and the ride always firm, and there are one or two rattles. Steering on both is fairly similar, heavy but reasonably direct and both are responsive on their big radials. There wasn't much difference in wind noise either but the Tiger hardtop is inherently noisy while BGTs vary and the noise is thus theoretically curable. The Tiger we chose came from Nostalgia at 27 London Road, Hertford Heath, Hertsfordshire and was certainly in very good condition; it had 25,000 miles on the clock which looked genuine from the condition of the interior and under the bonnet. The first Tigers with the 4.2-litre Ford were shown as Alpine 260s in October 1964; Tiger II in 1967 came as a 4.7-litre version for export only. However a handful of the 4.7s were made with right hand drive, about 20 out of over 600; some came from George Hartwell, some went to the police and a few, like the one Maurice Smith ran, came out of the Rootes development department. This car was a 1967 one. Against the 4.2 Tiger the 4.7-litre engine gave 174 against 141 bhp, a greater increase than that due to mere litres, so it is a little more stressed but by European standards it is hardly working which breeds longevity. Just as graphs of appreciation/depreciation will cross so we need a graph of viability against annual mileage. The Tiger is a practical toy while the B is well set to give satisfaction over a long period; we would reckon that around 10,000 miles a year is reasonable for the Tiger to conserve both car and enthusiasm for it. For anything greater you need the B with its easier serviceability and parts availability. In fact you can still get Tiger parts and Ford engine bits but they are getting fewer. Of course the Tiger was almost not a Rootes product with a trimmed body from Pressed Steel, engine from Ford with a Borg Warner manual box, Salisbury back axle and the whole lot assembled by Jensen, so you may need to go to the original manufacturers for parts. Some 6,500 Tiger I's were built so it may pay to get a worn out one to keep your Tiger II going; at the moment though, there seemed to be no suggestion that this car wouldn’t keep running reliably for some time yet. Take your pick. BritishV8 Magazine has assembled the largest, most authoritative collection of MG "MGB GT V8" information you'll find anywhere. Check it out! Access our MGB GT V8 article index by clicking here. BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) British V8 Home: Read the Magazine Photo Gallery Web Forum Annual Meets Contact Us Site Map Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/MGBGTV8-Thoroughbred.htm Classic Choice MGB GT V8 Scarcely a sales success, nonetheless the Rover V8-powered MGB GT V8 was and is a pleasant performance package. Graham Robson unfolds its development history and tells you what to look out for when buying one. as published in BritishV8 Magazine, Volume XVII Issue 1, July 2009 Re-printed unedited by exclusive written permission of "Thoroughbred and Classic Cars". This article originally appeared in their December 1982 issue. The MGB GT V8 was a fine car - fast, elegant, long-legged, and mechanically simple - but there was always one abiding problem. It didn't sell. British Leyland launched it with high hopes in 1973, and dropped it without fanfare in the autumn of 1976. Hailed as an instant classic when it was new, the V8 then took time actually to earn that reputation all over again. Even so, this smart fastback coupe had almost everything a lover of classic cars would want, including the fact that it was relatively rare (only 2591 were ever built) and that parts, interchangeability, and the existence of service expertise were all available. Many of these cars still exist, there is a thriving MG club to look after their interests - and they don't make them like that anymore. So, how does the car stand up to inspection today? Please support the sponsoring companies who make British V8 possible, including: The Solihull connection The real start of this story dates from 1962, when the MGB was announced or, more accurately, from 1965, when the sleek fastback hatchback coupe version, the MGB GT, was put on the market. No-one surely, needs to be told that the MGB family was built continuously until 1980, and that more than half a million of all types were built. Nor, I am afraid, will they need to be reminded that Abingdon production closed down with the last of the MGBs, that the site was then sold off, and that the buildings have now been demolished. Right from the start, MG management detected a demand for more powerful versions of the MGB. The basic chassis, and the handling, were so good, that much more power and performance could be absorbed without ruining the balance. Their first solution, and one which was also intended to displace the ageing Big Healey as well, was to produce the six-cylinder MGC in roadster and GT forms. Between 1967 and 1969, 8999 MGCs were built; at the time, such sales and the behavior of the car were maligned, but calm analysis of its success in a small market sector shows that it sold remarkably well. However, it was never profitable to BMC/British Leyland, because it had a unique type of torsion bar front suspension and a very different front structure from that of the MGB. We can thank the MGC, however, for the development of the stronger all-synchromesh gearbox and the Salisbury axle, which were so valuable to later derivatives. Following the limited success of Ken Costello in selling converted MGBs with Rover V8 power, MG tried again. By mid-1973 they were ready to launch a new super-fast MGB derivative with more power than ever the MGC had (in spite of the figures that were published!), and with many fewer different and unique parts. In effect, therefore, the MGB GT V8 was an MGB GT with an engine transplant - the old BMC B-series unit had been discarded, and it its place was the splendid light-alloy Rover 3.5-litre V8 unit. 95bhp gave way to 137bhp, and the performance of the car was transformed. BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/MGBGTV8-Thoroughbred.htm Mechanical layout The car was amazingly like the original Mk II MGB GT in all important respects, except for the different engine. Whereas with the MGC at least 30 to 50 percent of the body structure had been changed to accommodate the new engine and front suspension, for the MGB GT V8 changes were positively minimal. For a start, I must make one thing clear - MG never sold an open version of the car. I know that a handful of cars have been "created" - either by the successors to the Costello business or by private owners - but each and every factory-produced MGB V8 was a GT, with the coupe body style. The reasons for this were several and various - I discount the suggestion that the open body was not strong enough to withstand V8 torque and power, but I do believe the theory that very fast open cars do not sell in economically large numbers anymore. The basic bodyshell and chassis therefore was the same as that of the MGB GT. Sheet metal differences were confined to different panels in or near the engine bay - notably the inner wheel arches, toeboards, chassis side members, and oil cooler support platform - while the whole shell was lifted further off the ground to satisfy impending USA regulations (though the car never went on sale in the USA!) The overall styling, seating arrangements (including +0 rear seats!), lift-up hatchback, instrument layout (but not the instruments) and the fittings were the same as the MGB GT which is a help when it comes to spares interchangeability. The engine was basically that of the Rover P5B saloon/coupe, which special inlet and exhaust manifolding by MG, and with twin SU carbs mounted at the rear of the manifold, close to the passenger bulkhead. However, for space reasons, there were two thermostatically-controlled electric fans mounted ahead of the radiator block. Apart from the special casing, to mate up with the V8 engine, and the use of different constant-mesh (input) gears, the gearbox was mainly that of the existing MGB, while the back axle was also the same except for the use of a high (3.07:1) final drive ratio which had already been used on some derivatives of the obsolete MGC. Overdrive was standard, but it only operated on top gear, and there were no other transmission options - no V8 car was ever sold with automatic transmission. The basic suspension layout, except for different front and rear springs was exactly the same as that of the MGB, as was the Lockheed braking system. The wheels were very decorative Dunlop items, with cast alloy centres riveted to steel rims. They were similar to, but not the same, as those fitted to the Costello V8s, and to some Reliant Scimitar GTEs. Above, a fairly tight squeeze to shoehorn Rover's V8 into the MGB bay - but it fits! MGB GT V8 evolution Sales began in August 1973, from Chassis Number 101, and carried on in original form to Chassis Number 1956. From October 1974, at Chassis Number 2101, cars began to BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/MGBGTV8-Thoroughbred.htm be built with the massive crash-test black bumpers, a change which also meant the use of different front and rear body sheet metal behind those bumpers. The last 1975 model year car was Chassis Number 2632, but the first 1976 model-year car was Chassis Number 2701. The last car of all, built in September 1976, was Chassis Number 2903. It is important to realise, therefore, that Chassis Numbers 1957 to 2100, and 2633 to 2700 do not exist - so if you are tempted to buy a car with one of those numbers, it a certainly a fake! Just one car, we understand, was built as an Anniversary Special in 1975 (green with gold striping)l but there were no 'Special editions' of any type and the last car of all is owned by BL Heritage. Maintenance and restoration Apart from one well-known problem (the longevity of the hard-worked gearbox) there is little to stop an enthusiast from buying and enjoying an MGB GT V8 except finding one. When I researched these cars in detail n 1981, I was told that an estimated 1700 still exist, but I was also told that their worth is now recognised and that the market is very thin. Be prepared therefore, to have to look around for some time to find the car you need - at least your choice will not be too confusing for all have the coupe body, and all have manual plus overdrive transmission. There are around 1500 ex-MGB dealers in the UK, but all current BL dealers of whatever persuasion can plug in spares requests to Unipart. This organisation still has a large stock of MGB GT V8 parts, though special items like engine castings and road wheels are already out of stock, while some soft trim items (seats, carpets, trim panels) may also be difficult to find. There is a massive Parts List for all MGBs which, if you can wade through it, contains everything you need to know about the GT V8. If you don't inherit literature with your car when bought, then one of the MG clubs (of which you surely ought to be a member) can certainly help. Unfortunately there is no Haynes Workshop Manual to cover these cars. However, there are good V8s and bad V8s. Like most cars, they are by no means perfect, so if you are shopping around for one of these fast and refined machines, here s what to look for. Enjoying this article? Our magazine is funded through the generous support of readers like you! To contribute to our operating budget, please click here and follow the instructions. (Suggested contribution is twenty bucks per year. Feel free to give more!) Bodyshell Fortunately, the MGB was very rugged right from the start, and the GT body handles V8 power with aplomb. After all, a car that can approach 125mph and rush up to 100mph in about 20 seconds needs a stable platform which will not deteriorate with age. V8 cars however are no better or worse than the mass-produced MGBs. The structural problems may eventually appear to the silI and outer sill areas inside the front wheel arches at the mud traps near the junction with the front toe-boards and along the top of the front wings. Rust will also tend to appear where the rear wheel arch meets the rear wing itself, and along the edge of the wheel arch cut outs. Doors, too, tend to get rusty edges particularly at the bottom and there may now be corrosion at panel joints around the massive black plastic bumpers. The worst possible problem however is that water leaks or sheer bad luck may have affected the floor of the car itself. MoT failure points are of course, the sills and any structural defects around the main chassis. Incidentally, there should be no question of water leaking around the aperture of the hatchback - if there is water ingress, this is almost certainly due to faulty seals or (bad news, this) that the car has at one time been inverted, and badly repaired or renovated afterwards. I don't have to tell you, I hope, to look for any signs of accident repairs in terms of different colour paint patches, or anything untoward about the underside of the car, particularly near the "corners". (left) We think the pre-plastic front bumper models look best. (right) Instruments differ from MGB but arrangement the same. Suspension and steering It's a very ordinary front suspension set-up, I'm afraid, which means that bushes and trunnions all tend to wear out. Look at the trunnions and king-pins in particular (apart from being an MoT failure area, these may accelerate tyre wear if worn), but check all wishbone bushes as well. Fortunately replacements are cheap and not too difficult to change over. The lever-arm dampers, incidentally, also make up the upper wishbone linkage, so check not only that they are not worn full and not leaking oil, but that their mounting to the crossmember is secure, for this is another possible corrosion point. The steering should be light, and should not feel "gritty". The V8 engine is virtually no heavier than the B-series four cylinder it displaced, so the steering should not require strong muscles. Be sure that it is not rattlely as well - stresses on the teeth are quite high in such an installation - and that there are has been no accident damage to the mountings. Ball joints wear, too, but you should be able to spot these in a ramp inspection. Be sure that those expensive and rather exclusive wheels are in good condition. A special tip is to insist on seeing a spare wheel - we have heard of cases where it was not of the same type as the other four! These wheels are no longer available as new spares, so you can't afford to buy a V8 with one faulty wheel, can you? BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/MGBGTV8-Thoroughbred.htm Engines, transmissions, brakes The V8 Rover-built engine is a large under-stressed unit, which therefore has an easy time in the MG. However, I hope the engine oil has always been changed regularly because the hydraulic tappets will suffer if not. Signs of wear come in the valve gear and rocker shafts, which you should also look for signs of timing chain stretch. Because the carbs are parallel, and close together, it is easy enough to make sure they are in tune and stay in tune. There should be no excuse for slack fan belts, or for distributor settings being neglected, for both are easily accessible under the well filled bonnet unlike many comparable large-engined cars. The significant transmission problem is the gearbox, which is only just up to its job. You can't get complete new transmissions any more, thought I believe overdrives are available. If a V8 has been used hard, the input or constant-mesh gears eventually suffer, and it's not unknown for teeth to be stripped - so beware noisy or rough gearboxes - there may be a potential expensive problem. Sluggish overdrive operation, however, is likely to be due to faulty solenoid electrics, rather than an internal problem. The back axle is fine, which is probably just as well (the only other MG to use 3.07:1 was the 1968 non-overdrive MGC) - but it may be a bit loose and clonky, for which there is no easy solution. Even though the brakes are pure MGB four cylinder, they are well up to the job. After all, the V8's no heavier than the four cylinder car - it is merely that it often has to be stopped from rather higher speeds. Compared with similar fast cars (3.0-litre Capri or Reliant Scimitar, for instance) the V8 is certainly not under braked. Interiors and decoration One of the reasons that the MGB GT V8 didn't sell all that well was that it looked almost exactly Ike the same four-cylinder MGB, and many other MGBs that had gone before. But that makes easier to find parts when you need them for restoration. Externally the only V8 differences are that there are the special road wheels, and V8 badges on the grille and the passenger-side front wing. We've seen some ordinary MGBs, incidentally with V8 badges fitted! Parts for the interior are becoming difficult to find, particularly on the earlier examples, and I'm afraid that the carpet and seat cover standards were only those of the 1.8-Iitre four-cylinder car. Quite a proportion of the remaining V8s were casually mistreated by their second or third owners, so don't expect miracles when shopping around. However, if Unipart cannot supply trim and decoration, suppliers approved by the MG Owners Club usually can, as re-manufactures for the four cylinder cars is now a thriving and expanding business. Smart wheels are a MGB GT V8 distinquishing feature. Experts I'm sure Peter Laidler will not mind being named as the MGB GT V8 expert, as he owns such a car, and regularly writes on V8 technical matters for MG club magazines. You find him at: Peter Laidler, Howard Cornish Road, Marcham, OXON. Interchangeability Although the MGB GT V8 has been out ot production for more than six years, most parts are still available from Unipart. However, the following hints may help you fill the gaps. Bodyshells are almost identical with four cylinder MGB GTs except where noted in the text. Front and rear suspensions, apart from spring settings, were the same as four cylinder MGB GT. Wheels were unique, but their centres were the same as those used on Reliant Scimitars of the period (but not the rims). Engines were broadly the same as Rover V8s fitted to other cars - with low compression Range Rover pistons, and P5B saloon coupe details in some other respects. Gearboxes had a unique casing, but some internals were the same a four cylinder MGBs in some respects. BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/MGBGTV8-Thoroughbred.htm Axles were the same as fitted to MGBs of the period, except for the final drive ratio, which is shared with some MGCs. Spares, Clubs, Values Many parts common to four-cylinder MGBs and MGB GTs are of course still available, but supplies of special-to-V8 items, whether engine castings, body sheet metal, or soft trim - are running down fast. Our advice is that you should first look for parts at your nearest reliable MG/BL dealer, but to ask for parts by a known part number, rather than by the name of the MGB GT V8. (Some dealers, we regret to say, are more helpful than others!) There are, however two excellent clubs - the MG Owners Club and the MG Car Club, both of which are large organisations with good networks of approved dealers and specialist suppliers. Your contacts therefore should be: MG Owners Club MG Car Club 13 Church End. 67 Wide Bargate Over. Boston, Cambridgeshire, Lincs, PE21 6LE Tel: 0954 31125 Tel: 0205 64301 The value of MGB GT V8s has been somewhat depressed by the stigma of the large-capacity engine, but raised by scarcity value. Many of the cars survive, and a most all of them are still in the UK. We think you may have to pay about 1500 for a scruffy 1973 example which is, after all, nearly ten years old and may be rust-bitten), but for a really good late-model car (preferably without black bumpers) you might have to pay up to 4000. We doubt if any MG MGB GT V8 is worth more than that, unless it is concours and intended for showing. Buying an MGB GT V8: potential problems to look out for. Specification Engine: Overhead valve 90 degree V8 cylinder, with five bearing crankshaft, in light-alloy cylinder block. Valves operated by pushrods and rockers from camshaft mounted in vee of cylinder block; hydraulic tappets. Light alloy cylinder heads, two valve per cylinder, and two SU carburetors. Bore and stroke 88.9 x 71.1 mm, 3528cc. 137bhp (DIN) at 5000rpm. Peak torque 193lb.ft. at 2900 rpm. Transmission: Four speed all-synchromesh manual gearbox, with remote control change. Plus Laycock overdrive operating on top gear only. No transmission options. Hypoid bevel final drive 3.07:1 final drive ratio. Suspension: Independent front coil springs, wishbones, anti-roll bar, lever arm dampers, live rear axle, suspension by half-elliptic leaf springs, and lever arm dampers. Steering: Rack and pinion, no power assistance. Brakes: Lockheed hydraulic, disc front and drum rear, with vacuum servo assistance. Wheels: Cast light/alloy centres with steel rims, four stud fixing, and 5.0in rims. 175HR14in radial ply tyres. Bodywork: Unit construction pressed steel body / chassis unit, in two door fastback coupe style, with large upward opening hatchback, all right-hand drive except seven pre-production cars. No alternative styles. No open derivative available. Length (to chassis no. 1956) 12ft 10.7in. (from chassis no 2101) 13ft 2.25in. Unladen weight 2442 lb. Performance: Maximum speed 124mph (in overdrive top); 0-60mph 8.6sec, 30-50mph in direct top 6.5sec, 50-70mph in direct top 6.8sec; 70-90mph in direct top 8.3sec; fuel consumption 23.4mpg. Production: 2584 with right-hand-drive, seven with left-hand-drive. Annual production: 1972 3 1973 1069 1974 854 1975 489 1976 176 BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) Copyright 2009. All rights reserved. http://www.britishv8.org/Articles/MGBGTV8-Thoroughbred.htm From 1973 to October 1974, 1856 cars were built to "chrome bumper" specification. From October 1974 to September 1976, 735 cars were built to "black bumper" specification. BritishV8 Magazine has assembled the largest, most authoritative collection of MG "MGB GT V8" information you'll find anywhere. Check it out! Access our MGB GT V8 article index by clicking here. BritishV8 Magazine (XVII/1) British V8 Home: Read the Magazine Photo Gallery Web Forum Annual Meets Contact Us Site Map Copyright 2009. All rights reserved.