Journal - North West Kent Family History Society

ISSN 0263-6506
NORTH WEST KENT
FAMILY HISTORY
Sir Henry Bate Dudley, Bart.
Lady Bate Dudley
by Gainsborough
Vo15 No 11
October 1991
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NORTH WEST KENT FAMILY HISTORY
VolS, No 11, October 1991
Editor: Mrs M. Alderman, 16 Crescent Road, Sidcup, Kent DA15 7HN
CONTENTS
Future Program me, Record Office News & Other Societies
390
An Actress, a Playwright
and a Master Mariner
Tony Parsons
391
Old Testament Christian Names
Josephine Birchenough
393
Greenwich 300 Years On
Alan Teulon
394
Following George
Shirley Morris
396
Hitting the Jackpot Again
Ken Bennett
398
Answers to Questions
JiII Valentine and
Elizabeth Silverthorne
399
Whose Daughter was Jane?
Jean Fothergill
How wrong can you be?
Chris Hough
Mr R. Freeman
A Cricketing Family
407
Hoad
The Society's Library
Book Reviews
409
413
Important Notice
Society Matters
415
Indexes
421
Queries
422
Offers of Help
423
FFHS Conferences, Journal Back Issues
inside back cover
NWKFHS Publications
outside back cover
PUBLICATION DEADLINES
Queries and reports for publication in future issues of the Journal should be
received by the Editor as soon as possible, in any event not later than 2nd
October for the January issue, 2nd January for April, 2nd April for July and 2nd
July for October.
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URGENT *""*
We urgently need a member with ACCOUNTING experience to work with the Society
Treasurer on end-of-year accounts. Do VOU have such expertise? Could VOU help?
Please contact JeaJ"l Stirk, Society Chairman in the first Instance. (Shede House,
Ightham, Kent TN15 9HP)
OBITUARIES
We are sorry to hear of the sudden deaths of two members: Mr K. Young of
Otford who attended meetings at Sevenoaks and Mr Jack Fullam of Catford
who attended at Bromley. Our sympathy is extended to their wives who are
also society members.
CORRECTION
Vol 5 no 10 July 1991 p363, 4th para for 1895 read 1985
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****** FUTURE PROGRAMME 'IrlrlrlrlI*
All members are welcome at any of the venues.
BROMLEY
15Nov
13Dec
17 Jan
Mr P. Harkness
Was your Grandmother
Mr David Doughan
a
of Fawcett Lib.)
Meetings will be held at Bromley Civic Centre, Rochester Ave., Bromley, Kent
and start at 8pm. The hall is open from 7pm so why not come early and browse
at the Bookstall and in the Society's Library?
DARTFORD
River Thames and the Kent Coast Mr Kent
2Nov
Members'
7Dec
Jan
No meeting
Rn<>"'f ..~I"I<' will be held at North
Kent Technical Collleae.
and start at 10.45am.
hall will be open
to 12noon.
Please come early if you are
help with your family history.
SEVENOAKS
8 Nov
Unusual Sources
Brian Christmas
6 Dec
Members' I"",<>"i" ....
10 Jan
Making Sense
Census
Or Edward Higgs
Meetings will be held at Cornwall Hall, The Drive, Sevenoaks and start at 8pm.
if you can.
The library and Bookstall will be open from 7pm so do come
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RECORD OFFICE NEWS
LEWISHAM LOCAL HISTORY CENTRE
Due 10
closures.
of
the centre will be closed 28 Oct - 2Nov and there may be other ad t
to ring before visiting 081-852-5050.
LAMBETH ARCHIVES
Lambeth Archives Dept.. Minet Library. 52 Knatchbull Rd .• SE5 90Y also has staff shortage:
is maintaining its existing opening hours but no one will be there to make appointments al 01:
limes. Appointments are essential.
The Bank 01 England Archive
The Bank has a
extensive archive which
every aspect of its administration from
foundation to
In addition 10 Ihe
series of customer
and
il holds branch
and drawings,
records, diaries
government
and papers of
staff and
Bank's solicitors which include case tile
on forgery and
correspondence.
range from
to compul.
specially designed air-conditioned repositories.
access 10 m.
print-out and
records over 30
old is available. The records are classified into fourteen groups and ar
catalogued on a
text database which researchers may use in the searchroom. A set of
bound lists is also available for consultation. Opening hours - weekdays 10-4.30, Telephon£
the Archivist on 071-601-4889 to malke an appOintment or write to The Archivist, Archive
Section HO-M. The Bank of England, Threadneedle Street, London EC2R SAH.
OTHER SOCIETIES
The Scottish Genealogy Society
This society has recently moved to its new Library and Family History Centre in the heart of I
an
Old Town of Edinburgh, Opening hours are Tuesday 10,30 -5,30. Wednesday
Saturday 10-5, For information aboutlhe library. membership and genealogical
write enclosing sae to The Secretary, S.G.S., 15 Victoria Terrace, Edinburgh
2JL
Telephone 031 2203677.
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AN ACTRESS, A PLAYWRIGHT, AND A MASTER MARINER
Parsons
In a previous article (September 1989, vol.5, no.3). I mentioned that
Mesnard IV of Southwark had to go and live abroad over some
moves he
made in inducing his brother-in-law (John White) to marry his pregnant girl
friend. As the article was about the Mesnard family, not the White family, I did
not pursue the matter but I do so now.
This White family had a curious history. They had some claims to gentility,
James White of Huntspill, Somerset, married Eleanor Seager in Wells Cathedral
in 1747. However it seems that James was the
son of George White, he
was probably illegitimate, and his true ancestry is unknown. He soon got into
financial difficulties, partly due, so he
to the alleged loss of his
property's title deeds by fire at a time that they were given up as security for a
mortgage. He and Eleanor were obliged to leave this part of Somerset and their
fate is unknown.
However they had three children, James junr., Elizabeth (b.1751) and
(b.1755) who
to survive in a highly spectacular manner.
became an actress, adopting' Mrs Hartley , as a stage name. After a brief but
career at Covent Garden Theatre (1772-80)} she retired to Woolwich
where she died in 1824. She was a favourite model of Sir Joshua
who
admired her freckles and auburn hair.
Bate, an extraordinary character known as
Mary married Rev.
, Fighting Parson Bate '. Apart from being a clergyman, Bate was a critic and
a playwright, also editor and founder, with David Garrick and others, of the
Morning Post
with the Daily
in 1937). He fought several
Duke of R
and, after
duels, spent a year in prison for libelling
changing his name to Bate Dudley, moved to Cambridgeshire where he was
down the Littleport Riots of 1816. He was friendly
instrumental in
with
who
portraits of him and Mary. He became a baronet
and died in Cheltenham in 1824. Mary died in 1835 at Crooms Hill, Greenwich
at the house of her brother-in-law, Edward Bate, who was Deputy Treasurer of
the Naval Hospital. She was buried at St Mary Greenwich, a church which
has been demolished. Consequently the remains are now under a lawn near a
gigantic statue of William IV, near the King William Walk entrance to Greenwich
Park.
James White jnr. was living in Horsleydown Lane, Southwark, 1798-99.
In 1772 he had married Sarah Jervis who claimed to be related to Admiral John
Jervis, the victor of the Battle of
St Vincent. Subsequently James bought
a farm in
where he
1815. Sarah died in Crayford in 1837.
They had three children of whom the eldest, Elizabeth (b.1773), married
Mesnard IV in Newington in 1796 and died in Crayford in 1841,
John (b.1781) had a very adventurous life but little is known about h is brother
John's girl friend, Sarah Paul, lived in Thomas Street, Horsleydown. In 1800
she became pregnant but by then John had begun to lose interest in her. At th is,
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MESNARO·WHITE RELATIONSHIPS
Daniel MESNARD I
of France and New York
m. Elizabeth VINIENT
Mary
of Huntspill, Som.
adopted
James
m.1747
Eleanor SEAGER
Shipwright of Southwark
m. Lucy BRAPPLE. d. 1193
1
m.1769
Elizabeth BENNETT
1748-1812
James
d.1815
m. Sarah
JERVIS
d. 1837
Elizabeth
1751-1824
"Mrs Hartley"
actress
John (Jervis)
1777·1824
master RN
Shipwright
of Woolwich
Daniel III
1800-85
shipwright
of Crayford
m.
Ann BROOKES
1801-51
John J.B.
1818-85
printer of
Bexley Heath
m.1838
Naomi ALLEN
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Stephen VI
1823·61
smith of Plumstead
and New York
m.1846
Rachel WATERS
b.1828
Stephen IX
1856-1922
m. 1891
Harriet
1845-1928
Stephen VIII
1856·80
no male issue
m. 1800
Sarah
PAUL
Jane Britton
m. 1821
Thomas PEARCE
Joseph
m.1796
Sarah
JOHNSON
I
lrO-
I
Step hen Mesnard became indignant and decided that drastic action should be
taken. He obtained a marriage licence by impersonating his brother-in-law" who
was then dragqed into St Mary Newington where he and Sarah were married on
2nd December.; shortly before their
Jane, was born. Doubtless strong
liquor was essential to this stratagem
whatever the
John
the validity of the ceremony
to the Court of Arches to
declare the marriage void. This the court
to do and John promptly
joined the Navy. Stephen thought it
to live on the Continent for
several years.
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John, now calling himself John Jervis White, was present at Trafalgar; as
a midshipman aboard HMS Belferophon which was badly damaged and her
captain and a third of her crew killed. After the battle, John qualified as master
and served in HMS Fly during a tour of the West fndies (1806-8). (Master and
captain were separate ranks at that
the former being in
of
navigation but the latter in overall
He then embarked on a
of
hairy adventures in north
waters in HMS Tartar under Captain
himself killed, as
Edmund Byron Bettsworth who succeeded in
cousin, Lord Byron,
that he would.
continued in HMS Tartar
under Captain Joseph Baker until, in 1811, the ship was wrecked.
In 1812 John and Ann Sinclair went through a form of marriage in
St.Martin-in-the-Fields, of all
and John returned to sea on board HMS
Latona and other ships based on
Roads. In August 1824 he died on a
to Grangemouth while on half pay aboard the merchant
voyage from
brig Vigilant.
Ann promptly claimed his property and a Naval pension but the latter was
denied her on a plea from Sarah of whose status Ann was probably unaware.
After 'Anne's death in 1836, the property
to Sarah's daughter Jane, by
then the wife of Thomas Pearce.
SOURCES
Articles under Bettsworth. Dudley and
Petition of Mrs El izabeth Mesnard to the
White v Paul. Proceedings of the Court
Palace
in Public Record Office, Kew.
Naval
in Dictionary of National Biography.
Company, 1832.
of Canterbury 1802, in Lambeth
Parsons, 14 Woodlands, St Neots, Cambs, PE 19 1UE is a retired
research chemist. He wrote about the MESNARD family in vol.5
1989.
OLD TESTAMENT CHRISTIAN NAMES
Josephine Birchenough
Many of us come across 'Christian' names which feature in the Old Testament - Keturah and Melchizadek are two examples which have come my way
These reflect our grandparents' familiarity with the Old Testament,
and in many cases indicate associations with non-conformity. But where can
we look up the
of these names 7
The standard work is A Concordance of the Old and New Testament by
Alexander Cruden (normally known as Cruden's Concordance.' My copy is
dated 1824, but it has been reprinted many times. It is normally available in
reference libraries. The name references are at the back of the book.
If the name you seek sounds biblical, such as Kezia, and it is not in Cruden,
it may be in the Apocrypha, my copy of which is indexed.
(I had a similar problem with Mahershalalhashbaz and found him in The Illustrated Bible Dictionary by M.G.Easton, 1894. reprinted 1989 by Bracken
Books. He was the son of Isaiah and his name denoted the sudden attack on
Damascus and Syria by the Assyrian armyl Ed.)
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GREENWICH - 300 YEARS ON
A/an Teu/on
A/an Teulon visits the place where his ancestor, Antoine Teulon, settled.
I spent a fruitful few hours at 'Woodlands' Local History Library. Greenwich,
searching for more material related to my ancestors.
The weather was fine, my camera ready, so I walked across the Heath and
down Blackheath Hill and on to the centre of Greenwich searching for locations
connected with my forefathers.
At some stage during my walk the realisation came to me that here I was,
three hundred years on, perhaps to the day, from 1689: I shall never know any
more exactly when the founder of my family in England arrived in Greenwich.
families
in France.
The Teulon family, like many Huguenot
Antoine was one of many thousands
rather than renounce their Protestant
faith, left France after the Revocation of the Edict of Nantes in 1685. When this
which had
them protection from persecution, was revoked, to
continue with
chosen faith and manner of
became impossible.
Antoine came from an area near
in the C'evennes Mountains in France.
situated on the Herau It river,
no contemporary family documents survive, to my
from
the 17th century and precious few from the 18th and 19th centuries. Knowledge
of the family before and after 1689 arises from the marriage of Made Anne
Teulon, a daughter of Antoine to Melchior
on 18th May 1714 at
St.Alfege Church, Greenwich.
Wagner. a feltmaker and hatmaker to
I was a settler himself, having
come to London from Coburg in Bavaria. Fortunately for the cause of research
into the Teulon family history, the Wagner family produced two notable
Firstly Henry Wagner (1840·1926), who produced a pedigree of the
refugee family.1 More
Sir Anthony Richard Wagner, Garter
King of Arms had the Teulon ancestry in France thoroughly researched, as a
result of which he wrote a learned
complete with
which
contain references to Teu Ions from 1237.
personal research over many years, I have been able to link my own
branch of the family and many others to the
Henry Wagner. I have
reached the stage where I can link most members of
Teulon family in the
world with either the branch founded in Greenwich by
Antoine Teulon or a smaller branch. now extinct, founded by a 'cousin' of his,
Pierre Teulon, who settled in
Ireland. There are, of course, many Teulons
surviving in France, including some still living in the area near Valleraugue.
Nothing factual is known of Antoine's arrival and settlement in Greenwich
but he no doubt
the expanding group of fellow
in East
Greenwich, whose
leader was the Marquis de
whose French
services were often attended
the diarist John
in
Soon after h is arrival Antoine married Anne Desfaux from another
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refugee family. His wife was known in the family as Anne of Jersey and it was
that Jersey had been a staging post in her journey from France.
Antoine became a naturalized British subject in 1708.
Antoine was a hatmaker by trade, described in one record as 'haberdasher of
Hatts' at Billingsgate and he had
near the Greenwich waterfront for
some years. Antoine and Anne had about ten children, many of whom died
young, as the register of St. Alfege reveals.
Antoine's second son, Anthony Teulon (1700-1776), followed his father's
trade and at one time leased a property which was situated on the site of the
Manor House at
where
one can research the records relating to the
Teulon and Wagner families. Some years ago in the old churchyard at Lee, I
met a lady who was studying the algae on the tombstones that were obscuring
the very names that I was trying to decipher.
In 1724 Anthony was supplying the Roan School with hats and his business
extended to making shirts also. He evidently had a head for business as he used
34 yards of material less for 100 shirts than his competitor. 3 There are, however,
few known records of the Teulons in the early years, although they were
prominent in business and trade and owned a number of properties including
Teulon Court which was sold for the
of Greenwich Market,
There is more information on Samuel Teulon (1784,1861) a grandson of
Anthony. He is variously described in records as cabinet maker, upholsterer
and auctioneer and lived for a time at 'H ill side' on Crooms Hill, an area where
many descendants of prominent Huguenot families resided.
His career as an auctioneer is authenticated in the catalogue of 'materials and
fittings
of Montague House, 8Jackheath, the former residence of H.R.H. the
Princess of Wales, which were auctioned in 1815. He had various business and
domestic addresses including 11 London Street (now High Street). Nelson Street
and 10 Union Place, Blackheath Road,4
It may have been at 'Hillside' that Samuel Teulon's eldest son, Samuel
Sanders (1812·1873) was born, although his baptism entry refers to London
Street. Samuel Sanders studied at the Royal Academy Drawing School and
became one of the most prolific of the 'Gothic Revival' style architects. From
h is London office he developed a very successful
with clients
throughout
His many works included churches, parsonages,
great houses and model villages. He attracted commissions from many
prominent clients including Dukes,
and the Crown Estates. He
returned to his birthplace to
the churches of St. Paul, in Devonshire
Drive (1865) and St. Peter, Bridge Street (now Creek Road) (1866). Sadly
St.Paul is now derelict although the vicarage survives in South Street. St,Peter's
was bombed in 1941 and demolished later although the school survives.
The works of Samuel Sanders Teulon were less than highly regarded during
his lifetime, he was considered a 'rogue' architect because of his use of unusual
features and materials. However, his
works have attracted increasing
acclaim during this century, one of his greatest admirers being the late Sir John
Betjeman.
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It gave me much
to learn
that two Teulon churches are t<
be restored as part
the London
Redevleopment. One of Samue
Sanders Teulon's first churches, St.Mark's,
derelict for many
i
to be restored to house a Museum of Victoriana.
church of
Poplar, restored in 1866 by William Milford Teulon, a younger brother o'
Samuel
is to be further restored as an Arts Centre.
As I concluded my perambulation of Greenwich, 300 years on frorr
Antoine's landing, I gazed across the Thames in the direction of these survivin~
testimonies of the Teulon heritage and felt at one with the many descendant~
throughout the world whose roots spring from the Cevennes Mountains ir
France and
England.
REFERENCES
1. Miscellanea Genea/ogiea et Hera/diea. Fourth Series Vol.ll p.202-5 (19081
2, 'The Teulon Ancestry in France'. Proceedings of the Huguenot Society of London
Vol.XXI No.6, p.569·608.
3. Records of Roan SChool.
4. Information from Woodlands Local History library.
See also
Anthony Wagner & Antony Dale, The
Matthew Saunders, The Churches of S.
A/an E.
54 Clarence Avenue, Queens Park, Northampton NN2
has been in touch with Josephine Birchenough in connection with
his familv in N.W. Kent.
FOLLOWING GEORGE
Shirley Morris
I don't know where, or indeed if, my great .... great-grandparents Augustine
in Ramsgate,
Smithers and Emma were married, but I do know they were
Kent at the time of the 1841 census,
with their children,
(1823).
Elizabeth (1825). my g,reat-grandfather
Austen (1827) and Jane
(1834). Another
Emma (1823) was living nearby as a servant to her
uncle James Smithers.
produced the baptisms of two more
Research into the parish
children,
(1818) and Mary Anne (181 9). I wonder there these two were
in 1841? Ten years later when the 1851 census was taken, Ramsgate no
housed my Smithers, except for Emma (1823). who was now
Housekeeper to James Woolward, the man she was to marry and eventuatly
settle down with in Camberwell. More investigation revealed that Elizabeth died
of consumption in 1845,
20, and Augustine was a victim of cholera in
1849. Was
death the reason why the family moved away? I decided to try and locate the other members of this family,
I knew where daughter Emma was, also poor Elizabeth, but where were the
rest? Sarah, I discovered in Margate, the wife of Henry Coules, Her marriage had
taken place in Ramsgate in 1850. My great-grandfather Charles Austen had
moved to Wood ford, Essex and his mother, Emma was living in Camberwell
with her youngest daughter Jane. Now for the eldest two children ..... Finding
George was no problem at all, whichever way I turned, or wherever I looked
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there was George and his offspring. I found him on all five censuses, found his
children's baptisms (and sometimes burials), and even found the burials of two
of his three wives. Oh yes there were plenty of records on
His first two
rll"'rrll~'''''' almost leapt at me from the IGI in fact he was so easy to find, so
predictable, as to be positively boring. So much so, that I wasn't very interested
in tracing his third marriage. The indexes at St. Catherine's House showed a
marriage for a George Smithers in 1860 (wife No.2 died in 1859), at :-;t~~nf'1I"'V
and although George was
in Stratford at this time, I was quite sure that
this was marriage No.3. and didn't bother to follow it up at the time. Mary Anne
was the one I wanted to find. After alii had 'lost' her since her baptism in 1819.
she had died in childhood?
Off I went to check the parish
No
of a burial. Perhaps she had
married at an
age, prior to registration? No, no luck there either. Well as
you know there's no one with endurance like a Family Historian, so I began a
thorough search of the marriage indexes up to 1854, by which time Mary Anne
would have been 35. Details of all possible marriages were extracted, and one
by one eliminated as not 'mine'. I spent several days and many hours
ploughing through registers at the Greater London R.O. Alii found was .... even
more information on George and his family. You can imagine my frustrationl
This, wretched George, he seemed to haunt me,
up all over the place.
So it was, at the end of another disappointing day that I thought I might as
well check the Stepney marriage before I left for home. Perhaps I could then get
out of my hair once and for all. Because of
predictability I
with the obvious choice of St. Dunstan's. The date was June Qtr 1860,
a short way into the film revealed, as I guessed, the marriage of
(widower) to a Jane Ashman
on April 11 th. How boringl No
at
all. I felt as though he was almost telling me where to find him. Idly curious, I
wondered who the witnesses were. One glance and I almost fell off my
chairl. .. Charles Bursey and MARY ANNE SMITHERS! I couldn't believe my
Not Mary Anne! Filled with trepidation I cast another cautious glance at
the screen displaying two certificates for the same date, and my heart missed a
beat as I stared disbelievingly at at what was in front of me. The second marriage was of Mary Anne Smithers (aged 40) and Charles Bursey (widower).
witnessed
George and Jane Smithers.
My Mary Anne at last! I was so thrilled that I had to sit very still with my eyes
closed, and savour that wonderful moment.
What an exciting end to my day to find brother and sister marrying on the
same day and each witnessing the other's
Boring, predictable old
George had excelled himself and certainly turned up trumps this time, by leading
me to Mary Anne. I feel I owe him an apology.
Sometime later when I related this story to my 85 year old Aunt she
said ... " Well there you are, somebody 'up there' was telling you to .. :follow
"
Shirley Morris, 21 Eden Way, Beckenham, Kent, BR3 3DN. is a new contributor. She was encouraged to write by fellow members of Beckenham House
Group.
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HITTING THE JACKPOT - AGAIN
c
Ken Bennett
Readers of this journal may remember my recent advice to those researching
history of people with common surnames, not to give up
even if the name is Smith. They may also recall my record of events leading to
the amazing discovery of my great
obituary
the secretary of a
Family History Society situated near Brisbane, Australia.
secretary had
remembered my persistent enquiries concerning Captain John
Smith
when she discovered his obituary, quite by chance, whilst looking at microfiche
copies of newspapers dated 1882.
Of course I was absolutely delighted when I received a copy from her,
as I had closed the file on John Smith. The obituary, besides giving an account
of his incredible career in the army where he rose from the ranks in a cavalry
regiment to Captain in the Coldstream Guards, also told of his service during the
Crimean Campaign, and of his army life in India, where my
was
born. The obituary also included details of his retirement in Queensland,
the door to many avenues of research.
Australia and
What a fantastic
of luck - but believe it or not, that wasn't the end of
the story. Several months after receiving the obituary another letter arrived from
my beloved Australian F.H.S. secretaryl This time she told me of how she had
been discussing her 'find' with a previous secretary of her
when her colrecalled that someone else had once made an enquiry concerning Captain John Smith, years previously, but she remembered that she had been
unable to be of any assistance.
The two Australian secretaries searched the files and eventually found the
letter, in which the writer also referred to John Sydney Smith as 'my great
grandfather'.
sent me the address which was in Queensland, and sugthat I might like to contact the person concerned. They were not sure
whether it was male or female. Since the letter was signed J. Thomas I couldn't
see the problem! With a name like that it had to be male, and so I started my long
letter 'Dear John' and gave him all the relevant information at my disposal!
After what appeared to be an interminable wait a bulky envelope dropped
onto my front door mat from Jim Thomas, my first long lost Australian relative
to be discovered. The letter besides containing photographs of an oil painting of
Captain John Sydney Smith and 'close-ups' of his medals, also gave details of
John Smith's voyage to Australia and included news of some of his children and
their descendants, many of whom I have since contacted.
My correspondent also informed me that he descended from our great
grandfather's first born son, George Inkerman Smith, named, of course, after
the famous Crimean battle that John Smith had been involved in. Another of his
children was named Alms and a further Australian relative that I have been in
touch with, is convinced that two of the three children, listed on Captain
Smith's death certificate as 'deceased issue', were named Salaclava and
Sebastapol, but to date I have been unable to find any evidence of this.
I shall
be indebted to the secretary of the Family History ;:,o,meltv
that I came upon quite by chance. Without her help I would have closed the file
on the Smiths long ago, but instead the story goes on and on, and all the Smiths
in Australia seem to be related to me, one way or another. As I have said before
-don't
up too easily even if the name is John Smith.
Ken Bennett, 5 Sandhurst Rd.
DA 5 1DD attended 'Advanced' family history classes at Sidcup. He told us about Hitting the Jackpot in June 1990
vol5 No. 7.
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ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS
Elizabeth SilverthDrne & Jill Valentine
Following the Bromley Annual Meeting in April a question and answer session
was held. From January onwards members attending the Bromley meeting were
this producinvited to submit questions for the panel to answer. As
ed some
(and some very) testing questions. On the night there were more
questions than time available for the answers, so only those questioners who
were at the meeting received their answers; those who were not will find their
answers here. All the questions are
as submitted, and have been
answered as they stand.
Gladwyn (Memb.No.73) asked:
1. A relative visited England from Australia after 40 years to see his brother. He
died on the way back and was buried in the Red Sea. Where would his death be
registered?
Unfortunately you do not give a date for the death of the relative, nor his nationality. As he had lived in Australia for 40 years it is possible that he had taken
Australian nationality. For information on possible sources for Australian
research see the entry under Australia in
Historian's Enquire Within.
However, there is an implication in the question that he was British, in which
case there are various possible sources available. If the death were made known
to a British ConSUl or Legation and it took place after 1 849 the death should be
in the consular records at St. Catherine's House and the indexes can be consulted in the usual way. If the death happened on a British Merchant Navy ship
after 1837, the record should be in the Marine Deaths series at St. Catherine's
on merchant
House. Records of deaths of seamen and
1854-90 are at the PRO at Kew (BT158-601.
Library has records of
some burials at sea between 1894-1952 and also holds the International
Memoranda, a series of volumes containing details of miscellaneous foreign
baptisms, marriages and burials, usually
chaplains at BritiSh embassies but
also including
made by
travelling on board
For
Yeo.
fuller details see The British Overseas by
2. COUld the profession" Quartermaster" apply to anyone other than service
personnel? Would it be a rank?
Chambers Dictionary gives the definition of quartermaster as: 'an officer who
finds quarters for soldiers and attends to supplies; (naut.) a petty officer who attends to the helm, signals, etc.' There are also definitions of a quartermastergeneral and a quartermaster sergeant, performing similar functions. Quartermaster Sergeant was a rank in the British Army, but as you don't give any
details of source or date it is rather difficult to be more helpful.
Brenda Harper (Memb.No.1700) asked:
1. I have found a professor of music. aged about 22, in the 1861 census.
Where can I find out where he might have obtained his professorship and
anything else relating to it? He was living in Sheffield.
To be a fullblownprofessor at the age of 22 would seem to imply a Mozarttype prodigy, but the word professor in this context may not mean what we
nowadays undertand by the term. An old-fashioned description of a doctor, for
example, was that he 'professed medicine', so by that definition this professor
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could have been a musician. Similarly, the term professor was often assumed by
teachers in general or by dancing masters, to add dignity to their
Nor
was it unknown for
to upgrade themselves socially on census returns. A
university professor is the more senior teacher and head of a department or
faculty of a university, and the position is not 'obtained' by examination or
dissertation, as are
but
appointment. Sheffield University
and although some of its constituent colleges were
received its Charter in
in existence before then only the Medical School (1829) existed before 1861 . If
the gentleman had been at a music college or a university then they might
possibly be able to provide you with some personal information about him, but
the problem would be in identifying which one he had attended. The Royal College of Music was not founded until 1883, but the Royal Academy of Music
was founded in 1822. The universities at Oxford and Cambridge had music
faculties quite early so it could be worth consulting Alumni Oxoniensis and
Alumni Cantabrigensis. You don't mention his birthplace - if Ireland he may have
attended an Irish college. If you have not
done so, try to find him in the
1871 and 1881 censuses people occasionaly listed qualifications and 1"10>,,, . .,,,,,
on the returns. Also consider looking in the local papers at that date to see if he
advertised for pupils; such adverts frequently included lists of qualifications to
pupils or their parents. They sometimes even included such details as
under Professor Doktor Schmidt at Bonn'. Such an advertisement
would also tell you what instrument he played. Try to find his death and then
consult the local paper for an obituary - these can contain considerable detail
about the person and his life.
2. Is/was there a guild of framework knittersllacemakers and if so where
would their records be lif any)?
There was a Framework Knitters Company which was a City livery company.
Their records are held, like many other
companies', at Guildhall Library
and a list of those holdings can be found in the booklet City Livery
and related organisations. Framework knitting was a very common occupation
in Nottinghamshire, and Nottingham was a centre of the machine lace industry.
Appropriately the records of the Amalgamated SOCiety of Lacemakers, the
machine-lace makers' trade union, are in Nottingham University library, which
also holds business records of firms connected with the lace
For further general information there has recently been a series of articles on lace making in Family Tree magazine. NWKFHS member Mrs Jennifer Hanney has an inwelcomes additions but will search her index on
dex of lacemakers and not
of an sae or 3 IRCs, (see Vol. 5 No.S of our Journal).
Tom Manthorpe !Memb.No. 122) asked:
1. Dabbling in 16th century wills I have come across the term 'alias' e.g.
Thomas Manthorpe alias Battlye. Can you explain this expression?
The use of 'alias' between two names like this indicates a person who is commonly known by a name different from his legal one, or who is commonly
known by either name. There are no disreputable connotations in the use of the
term. There could be several reasons why two names should have been joined
by alias, often the assumption of an alleged father's name by an illegitimate
child or the adoption of a step-father's name. In the latter case a child could
have good reason to retain their own family name, frequently to maintain a claim
to an inheritance particularly in the case of copyhold land. Although there was
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no legal adoption process until 1927 orphaned children brought up by relatives
might add their 'adoptive'
name to their own for convenience.
Sometimes names were adopted or added to to ensure inheritance; a husband
inheriting property through his wife could add her family name to his own to ensure that property and name stayed together. A testator might stipulate the addition or adoption of his family name as the condition of receipt of a bequest,
especially if he or she were childless and did not want the name to die with
them. A famous example of this was the father of Florence Nightingale who
took the name Nightingale to receive a legacy. In some cases two names were
and were the equivalent of modern
joined like this for several
double-barrelled surnames. If your Thomas
were Mrs Thomasina
Manthorpe the second name might have been her maiden name which was
often included in legal documents to indicate a married woman's interest in or
connection with the subject of the document.
2. I've come across a Manthorpe described in a document 115th century) as
Burgess of Calais. Now where do I g07
The obvious answer, of course, is Calais, but before you book the car-ferry
there are some sources you could try in this country. As Calais was English in
the 15th century any
records will be at the PRO and listed in Guide to
the contents of the Public Records Office. The
library at Salt Lake
has a mediaeval families identification unit) so visit one of their Family
History Centres in this country as a starting point. The staff there are likely to be
more used to enquiries about later periods so if they are uncertain ask them to
check their copy of The Library: A Guide to the LDS Library in Salt Lake City
which gives details. From time to time the Society o f '
and the Institute of Heraldic and Genealogical Studies arrange seminars or short courses
on mediaeval genealogy and it would be well worth your while watching out for
these and attending one. You would get advice and help in identification of
sources and their interpretation. If you find that you need to extend your researches to France the Department Archive for the Pas-de-Calais is a 1 rue du
1 9-mars-l 962, Dainville, 62000 Arras. Two genealogical organisations in the
Calais area which may be able to provide advice and/or help are:
Association genealogique du Pas-de-Calais, Maison Societes, 1 6 rue Aristide
Briand, 62000 Arras ..
Genealogie pratique du Pas-de-Calais Quest, 38 boulevard de l'l:galite. 62100
Calais. Please remember to enclose IRCs when writing abroad.
Sources used or mentioned:
Family Historian's Enquire Within (FFHS) 1988
The British Overseas. G. Yeo (Guildhall Library)
Alumni Oxoiensis. 8 vols. J. Foster
) Available at larger
Alumni
10 vols. J.A. Venn )reference libraries
Local Newspapers 1750-1920 (FFHS) J.Gibson
City Livery Companies (Guildhall Library)
Guide to the Contents of the Public Records Office. H. M. S. O.
The Library: Guide to the LDS Library in Salt Lake City
British Archives
Elizabeth SHverthome is the Archivist at Bromley Central Library. Jill Valentine is Chairman at Bromley.
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WHOSE DAUGHTER WAS JANE?
Jean Fr:thergill
How
is fame and influence in this life! Only very few pass their
names on to posterity. Julius
Alexander the Great, Christopher
Colombus, Attila the Hun, and in our own time WinstonChurchill and Adolph
a passer-by in the street and asked him or her if they knew
Hitler. If I
unless I had by chance
an historian or
anything about the
genealogist, that person
well think that I was
to a family in a
'soap' on television. In
time the Darrells were in high places and must have
had influence, and it would appear that one branch of the family came from
Yorkshire. William Darrell of Sessay, Yorkshire, is recorded during the reign of
Henry Ill, but the elder branch of the family known as Dayrell of
Dayrell is
in Buckinghamshire, and the Manor given for services
to William the Conqueror, as a
to a Norman knight named D'airel. Needless
to say, a Saxon was
Because of my own
research, I have in my possession a very large
pedigree pertaining to Frances West, nee Sakes, widowed from Robert Mickell
in the Great
and then married to my collateral ancestor John West. The
chart begins
Robert Belknappe, Chief Justice of the Common
who in 1388 was tried and condemned for treason to Richard 11. Sir Robert, it
would appear, did not make a very good stand, when ordered to, against a band
of rebellious peasants in those troubled times. In fact, when faced with a
difficult, and I suppose, a dangerous situation, to use the vernacular, he did a
bunk, which didn't go down too well in royal circles.
From Sir Robert Belknappe numerous families descend, the Hampdens
from Buckinghamshire and the Cromwells. Oliver Cromwell is shown. He was
(IV) who was killed at the Battle of Chalgrove in 1643
cousin to John
in The Great Civil
Another branch takes in the Wroughtons, the Chokes
and the Coxes of Newbury. It is from these families that F rances West is
descended but many other names are on the
I have had great pleasure in browsing over this pedigree and I had noticed
on it that Jane Darrell had married Sir John Wroughton of Broad Hinton,
Because I
had some knowledge of the Darrells
Wilts. in the 15th
and their connections,
wondered jf
Jane Danell was related to them.
f felt that she must be, as Broad Hinton is
a few miles away from Littlecote
in Berkshire which by this time the Darrells were occupying.
knew also that John Darrell of Calehill in Kent had been steward to
V's Archbishop Chichele, founder of All Souls College, Oxford. John
had married the Archbishop's niece Florence, and his brother William
was under-treasurer of England, and William's son
living at
Sir Richard Darrell had married Margaret Beaufort. Not the Lady Margaret
Beaufort the mother of
VII, but
Beaufort the daughter of
Edmund
Duke of Somerset who was killed in 1455 in the Battle of
Bamet. Lady Margaret was the
of John
brother to
and so both ladies were the great-grand-daughters of John of Gaunt, Duke
Lancaster. They were from his brood of merrybegots by his mistress Katherine
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Swynford, and were of course, great-great-grand-daughters of Edward III and
back in time to William the Conqueror and the ancient line of English Kings
via the wife of King Henry I.
A chance article in the national press about the present owner of Littlecote
urged me to write to him and ask if he had any knowledge of the Darrells who
once lived at Littlecote . Within a few days I had a very helpful reply from the
Senior Guide plus a portion of the Darrell pedigree, and I found that Sir Richard
Darrell who had married Margaret Beaufort, was also uncle to Sir Edward
Darrell, Vice-Chamberlain to Queen Katherine of Aragon, first wife to Henry
VIII. By his third wife, Sir Edward had a daughter Katherine. Was she
named for his royal employer, I wondered? What interested me even more was
the fact that she married Francis Choke who appears on the large pedigree of
Frances West.
I-l ~' ,"feVer, all this information did not tell me anything about Jane Darrell
who r;,arried Sir John Wroughton. The guide at Littlecote gave me the name of a
book published in 1885 on the history of the family, but the only copy she
knew of was in the British Library and, I thought, it would be more or less
impossible to get a Reader's Ticket. I rang Bromley Library on the off-chance
that they might have a copy and also the Guildhall Library in the City. No luck!
I do, however, have a friend who is a librarian and she very kindly made
enquiries to see if a copy was available in another library. This time, luck was on
my side, and I now have a copy to read.
My Jane Darrell is not included in the narrative, but I have found the answer
to my original query. Sir Richard Darrell and Margaret Beaufort did have one
daughter, but she was another Margaret, and so my ancestor's wife was not
descended from Edward Ill.
One other interesting fact that has emerged is that Edward VI's great-grandmother was another Darrell lady, Elizabeth . She was the daughter of Sir George
Darrell and wife to John Seymour of Wolfhall. Their son Sir John Seymour was
the father of Queen Jane Seymour, third wife to Henry VIII and mother to
Edward VI.
We never know what path we are treading in this fascinating hobby but I
always bear in mind the comments made by Sarah Jennings about her husband
John Churchill, the first Duke of Marlborough . At the end of her life when
reading Lediard's history of the great Duke, she said 'This history takes a great
deal of Pains to make the Duke of Marlborough's Extraction very ancient.
This may be true for aught I know; But it is no matter whether it be true or not
in my opinion . For I value nobody for another's merit.'
Of course, I shall not give up on Jane Darrell , and in between doing research
on my 'family proper', I shall still try to find out whose daughter she was.
Mrs Jean Fothergill, 106 Village Way, Beckenham BR3 3PA is
involved with the John and Frances West Family Group which
featured in her article Back to the Armada vol.4 no. 10 of this
journal, June 1988.
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HOW WRONG CAN VOU BE?
Chris Hough
My great, great grandfather, James Whalley Cathrill, described himself in the
1841 Census as a publisher. He lived in Mornington
St Pancras,
in 1871
London, and in the St Catherine's House indexes we found that he
in Guildford, Surrey. None of our other forebears had such
and
names, nor were they as grand as a publisher by
in such an 'upmarket' place as Guildford in Surrey. Thinking
must have
none of our other
been a fairly wealthy person I was really quite chuffed
ancestors had been wealthy enough to even leave a will.
I received John Whalley Cathrill's death certificate just before I left on a
trip to England in
1990. I opened it, yes the name was correct, occupation:
, echoed my husband looking over my shoulder as the
convict .... '
word shot through my brain. What a surprise! James Cathrill had died a convict
71 years; cause of death
in Woking Male Prison on 28 December 1871
natural, disease of kidneys, post mortem.
I knew how to research a person being transported to Australia for their
misdeeds but what did you do if they died in prison in England?
I looked through all my available research books and found nothing to help,
so I decided to write to Surrey County Council as the prison would have been in
their area. I asked for the reply to be sent to the address in Essex where I would
stay in England. Hats off to the staff there, a letter was waiting for me when
I arrived. They directed me to the Public Record Office in Kew, reference
P.Com 2/141·151 and HO 8/140·174. They had even found out where JWC was
buried and gave the plot number.
my husband and I were off to Kew. We
As soon as we recovered from
took our
and obtained a three year reader's ticket each. Oh, the forms
guards and the questions, I was so impatient to get cracking.
and the
Eventually I found what I wanted. Each prison governor had to account for
offence
his prisoners every three months. Listed was JWC Number 2539 aged
... forging a will, convicted 12th June 1865 at C.C.C. 15 yrs. health rather
very good behaviour dated 12th April 1866. I guessed that C.C.C.
meant Central Criminal Court at the Old Bailey so my next move was to ring the
Old Bailey. There were no records there, I Was told, going back as far as 1865,
only to 1988. A voice in the background relayed a message to get in touch with
the PRO in
Middlesex. I 'phoned them - sorry, no,
could not
but their boss could, his name was Terry and he was in Westminster. I rang
Terry in Westminster, who said he might be able to help but please would we
write. This was duly done and two weeks later I received a piece of paper
that JWC and Edwin Dresch had been found guilty on 12th June 1865 of forging
jargon. ' That was
a will of one Eleanor Saunders, all nicely written out in
all' said the note. 'There is no more. ' 'Ah well, ' I
'vve must be
grateful for what we have. '
I thought that such a trial would have been reported in the London newspapers. Another day dawned and my husband and I set off on a two-hour
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journey to the British Newspaper Library at Colindale in North London. The
reader's ticket from Kew was useful here. Four hours later we left fully satisfied
with our day. The trial was reported in several London newspapers, some of
which were on film, the rest original papers. The best report was in The Times so
I ordered a copy. This gave a marvellous amount of data and told me more about
the family. JWC was a real/wheeler dealer~ He was never a publisher. He worked
for one and did his accounts, that was all.
A few weeks later we went to St Pancras to find where JWC had lived but
found only flats, so we continued walking. Some time later we came to
Chancery Lane. My husband said 'That's where another PRO is, isn't it?' I
silently groaned as by this time I had seen so many record offices. Anyway I
said' O.K. Let's take a look. '
I was glad we did for we came across the actual
of the Old Bailey
trial. This really was 'heady stuff'. We had this copied and collected it the next
day. I sat and tried very hard to digest all the detail in these eight
In the
text it mentioned a
trial in February
before the Old
trial
and that the evidence
by JWC and his son Francis Slakeley Cathrill and his
who were my great-grandparents, was read at the Old Bailey trial. Here
what my forebears
was something I was really interested in as it was
had said.
The librarian did not hold much hope at finding anything of the probate
trial. We did some research and found the witness
which proved
interesting but probate trials were not kept. They were thrown out, so I thought
I must be satisfied with what I had.
However, several weeks later we were in the Guildhall
and I found
they too had on film The Times newspaper. Yes, that's right, the probate trial
of February 27, 1865 was all reported, word for
and that added a lot
more meat to the bones of my'wheeler dealer'great-great·grandfather.
Chris Hough, 207 Beresford
Hawkes
New Zealand,
Chris and her husband emigrated to New Zealand from Essex in 1956
with their 3 sons and a daughter. Since retiring Chris works in the library
of the Church of Latter
Saints in Hastings. She is a member of
Hawkes Bay Group.
A CRICKETING FAMilY
RPFreeman
A new member, Mr R P Freeman of Leeds, writes to tell us that his main interest is in two families who came to Lewisham (where they inter-married) in the
first half of the 19th century, and the families into which they in turn married.
The two families are those of Freeman and of Marychurch Russell, the former
became a prominent cricketing
from Oxfordshire, the latter from Bristol.
family from the 1890's up to the outbreak of the Second World War. Twelve of
them played for First Class County teams, mainly Essex, and two for
The most well known, 'Tich' Freeman, known as the 'Demon Bowler' of Kent,
was born in Lewisham in 1888.
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The Freeman family were in Benson, Oxfordshire, in the early 16th century
whence I have traced my own line through the
parishes of first Great
Milton and then Great
There, in 1801, were married William Freeman
(son of William and Hannah, nee White) and Charlotte Archer (daughter of John
and Mary, nee Hinton a
already in Great
in 1572). William and
Charlotte Freeman had nine children; of these, two
(born 1811) and
John Thomas (born 181 3, and my
came to Rushey Green,
Lewisham, where in 1841 both brothers were described as Ag.Labs. William
was then only recently married (to a young local widow), but was to be widowed himself just nine years later. In later census returns, he was described as a
Farm Labourer.
John was married in 1842, and shortly after became a bricklayer. From three
of John's nine children are descended the cricketers: my grandfather and three
of his sons played for Essex, a fourth, 'Tich' playing instead for Kent; a great uncle, with his son, a son-in-law and grandchildren
for Essex and Dorset;
and from the family of my great-aunt Mary and her husband T M Russell are
descended the rest of the cricketers, all playing for Essex, one of them, 'Jack'
Russell also playing for t-n,m>lnn
The Russells seem to have come from the borders of Somerset & Gloucestershire. Three generations bore the name Marychurch, but as yet, I have not found
out why. William Marychurch Russell was born in Clifton in 1813, and married
Sarah Alien (from Burnham in Somerset) at the Bristol
Church in 1838.
He was a ship's joiner, then working at Saltford ( on the Avon between Bristol
and Bath), and after a short time in Wales, moved to Deptford where in 1845
was born his son Thomas Marychurch Russell, who was also to earn his living in
shipbuilding, as a shipwright. T.M. Russell was married in Rotherhithe, and namafter himself.
ed his second son, born in
This Thomas Marychurch Russell the younger left Lewisham in 1889 for
then in Essex, following my
who had taken a job there the
previous year as a cricket
They were joined by a third member of
the family, my grandfather's recently married younger brother, and all three
commenced playing for the Essex XI, then only a Second Class team (T.M.
Russell. as county groundsman - and wicket keeper - got the
up to First
Class standard. enabling the XI to be considered as and then
as a First
Class team).
As all three started their cricketing career in Essex, it was inevitable that their
sons would also play for this team. The one exception was my uncle 'Nam'
who, when he
to
for the
just before the First World War,
was
the Essex
As he had been born in Lewisham, even
though only a few months before the family's move to Essex, he decided to apply to the Kent Committee, who, thinking he showed some promise. took him on
for a trial year. This, however, was interrupted by the First World War. Nevertheless he went back after the war was finally over, and
over the
years into Kent's demon bowler. taking most of the bowling records during his
career, all mostly still unbroken. How Essex must have rued the day they turned
him down!
Mr R P Freeman, 97 Crossgates Ave,
Leeds, West Yorkshire,
LS 15 70F (Can other members claim so many cricketers or other sportsmen in
their families? - Ed.)
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THE SOCIETY'S LIBRARY
JoyceHoad
The wide ranging collection forming the Society's library has grown
rapidly. Material has been purchased, donated, and a valuable amount of the
Society's project work, the result of our own members' hard work has been
depOSited and is greatly appreciated by library users. Material is made available
at Branch Monthly meetings on a rota system. The holdings are divided and
stored at the three venues and therefore are only accessible at the monthly
meetings. The Society librarian is willing to make a reasonable search of the
material (free but donations
However, we do offer several search
services
elsewhere in this joumal) which cover much of our material.
Although the Society appreciates that members often feel not enough time is
available to use the library to full advantage, the Society librarian is willing to
send the address of the publishing society (if known) so that a member might
purchase the desired material.
The library is unable to offer Books by post for several reasons.
Some material is copyright, some in constant use, other items the
copy. The
books which may be borrowed at meetings are those which should be available
in most public libraries. The Society has relatively few duplicates. It is always
grateful for donations particularly census indexes but due to lack of
microfiche material or
three in the
space we would
following list. The policy at the moment is to use the limited amount of money
available to purchase census material as this seems to be the most popular item.
A full list of the library holdings was issued last year, annual supplements will be
issued to all; new members will be
the complete lists. The
Librarian, Joyce Hoad, (to whom all correspondence should be addressed)
also runs the Reference Library at Bromley meetings, ably assisted by the branch
librarians, Hazel Starling at Bromley, Christine Geer at Sevenoaks, and Joan
We would appreCiate additional help to cover Illness and
Krantz at
holidays, and even for a short time during a meeting so that the librarians
can see the exhibits and have a chat, In the same way as other members.
We are all volunteers and a little help would ease the strain!
A few simple rules help the library to run efficently, and ensure that the
books are available at short notice. However, we have a few slow readers who
hold on to books and therefore deny them to other members. If you are unable to
return the books at the next meeting either tell the librarian when you borrow
them and a longer period may be negotiated: ask a friend to return them: or
them to the branch librarian. Please ensure that you return books to the branch
from which they were borrowed because only they have your record card.
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How the library works
The library material is divided into three categories.
1. Exchange Journals from other F.H. societies
N.W. Kent gives each journal a unique number e.g. 2/89/3. 2 is a
number to show which F.H. society, (i.e. every society has been allocated a
different number), 89 the year, 3 the third journal that year. It is unfortunate that
some societies still fail to date their joumals and internal evidence has to be used
to try to discover even the year.(Spring, Summer etc mean something totally
different to Australians for instance).
The journals have a unique distribution organisation ( most are
exchanged at twice yearly conferences) so they may be a year old before we
receive them . Any member who needs current copies is strongly urged to join the
relevant society. The SOCiety Secretary checks the journals, the Editor glances
through them for useful items, then they pass on to the Society librarian to
catalogue. We endeavour to process them as quickly as possible: Journals are
then available to members at Bromley. At yearly intervals journals are passed to
Sevenoaks, who pass theirs to Dartford. We eXChange three journals with some
of the more popular societies so that Dartford and Sevenoaks have current
copies of the latter's journals. Eventually journals pre 1984 are deposited at Kent
County library, Sevenoaks for use by anyone.
Do make use of foreign journals ie Australia & New Zealand as these
often have much valuable material on British ancestry, many excellent articles on
source material in England, and especially diaries and letters which illustrate how
bad the conditions were in England causing mass emigration.
We lend material of general information besides that relating to various
One-Name Society Journals, Catholic research, Heraldry and the Society of
Genealogists. Be open minded with your reading there is a great deal to discover
in the most unlikely books.
Members may borrow six journals per month for one month. Each
member is allocated a card on which the journal!l references are entered. On
return these are crossed through and it is the member's responslbllty to ensure
that they are cancelled.
2. Reference Material which may be borrowed
This is for 1 month, by members ONLY. In the recent book list they are
classed H (Heraldry) M (Mise): N ( Family Names): P (History of Parish/ Place).
This material is 'on circuit' and is rotated between branches at regular intervals.
For special requests for this material apply to the SocietY Librarian who will make
every endeavour to make it available at the member's chosen branch.
3. Reference material which may NOT be borrowed.
This may only be consulted at meetings for reasons of copyright or
scarCity value (often the only copy outside a Record Office ). This material is in
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constant demand at meetings. It includes Parish
Monumental Inscriptions. Census material and Members' Interests books. It is
anticipated that this will also be going 'on circuit' but under NO circumstances
may be borrowed from ANY meeting. As this type of material is often being
issued on microfiche at a low cost by FH societies, members might like to
purchase their own copies.
Note: Materlalluued on microfiche.
Many societies including our own are issuing their material in this form,
it is cheap(er) and takes little storage space. It also has the advantage that small
runs can be made with the
of
as sales cover costs. This group
covers mainly
three material (see
Arrangements are underway
to have this material 'on circuit'. Discussion is taking place regarding its suitability
for borrowing , Le. a returnable deposit in order to lend to members who have
access to a microfiche reader.
Please contact me with any
or comments on the SOCiety's
Ubrary: your
will be welcome.
Mrs J. Hoad, 133 Sundale Ave, Selsdon.
CR2 BRX
BOOK REVIEWS
ENGLISH GENEALOGY - AN INTRODUCTORY BIBLIOGRAPHY
Stuart Raymond, 1991, FFHS £2.00.
A guide, not HOW to do research, but which publications have articles on a subject.
There are 21 chapters 1'''''''''rITln in excess of 60 research topics ..
Comments on the book reviewed are useful.ie '10 be used with caution"
bibliography,
'Designed lor Genealogists living outside UK', 'another stereotyped compilation ...
expensive .. likely to remain in libraries when long out 01 date'. Read this before you start,
consult the recommended publications and save expensive wasted journeys.
BRITISH GENEALOGICAL PERIODICALS A BIBLIOGRAPHY OF THEIR CONTENTS
VOL 1: COLLECTANEA TOPOGRAPHICA ET GENEALOGIC~, TOPOGRAPHER AND
GENEALOGIST. ANCESTOR
Sluart Raymond,l991, FFHS £5.00.
A bibliography for these three relatively unknown joumals which contain extracts from
records useful to Genealogists. Until the publication of Mr Raymond's index they seemed
doomed to be unused and to collect dust on the shelves of Reference Libraries. This
publication has taken the material contained in C. T.G B VD/S 1834-43, T" G- 3 VDls
1846-58 and arranged by subject, viz B.M.D: MI: Wills, Inquisitions Post Mortem. Funeral
Certs: Family Histories and Genealogies: Records of National and Local Administration:
Private, Corporate and Ecclesialical Estates: General
and Topography. Each
subject Is indexed by place and county • or name as appropriate, and in an overall index to
author, family names and places. The Ancestor 12 VDls 1902-5 has the same layout with
additional chapters on art: reviews: and general history.
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I would have liked to have seen more Information on 'A genealogist's kalendar of
Chancery suits of the time of Charles 1'. Mention might have been made that there are brief
details of suits that contain genealogical information, by initial letter of plaintiff's surname,
and some family trees deduced from the case.
BRITISH GENEALOGICAL PERIODICALS - A BIBLIOGRAPHY OF THEIR CONTENTS
VOL 2: THE GENIEALOGIST, PART 1 - SOURCES Sluart Raymond, 1991, FFHS £3.00.
This contains twelve chapters covering items as in Vol 1 and Heraldic malerial and
Pe;eraoe. with three overall indexes for place name. author and family name.
DORSET
A GENEALOGICAL BIBLIOGRAPHY
Stuart Raymond, 1991, FFHS £6.00.
This has fourteen chapters relating to material for Dorsel covering the History,
Journals & Newspapers, Pedigrees, Probate, MI and Miscellaneous. It is a
must for those researching in this county as much preparative work can be achieved before
setting off to the record offICe, and possible disappointment, not to montion cost. avoided
when a selected record is not helpful.
SOMERSET
A GENEALOGICAL BIBLIOGRAPHY Stuart Raymond, 1991, FFHS £6.00.
Details as Dorset.
Review of all 5 volumes:
The
of the volumes follows that of Bibliography of British History, 3 vols 1951
found only in
libraries, and other county publications now oul of date. This series of
books will fHl a gap in the market, a difficult task today when everyone is jumping on the
band wagon with a new 'How to do it' appearing with monotonous regularity. The volumes
are of a size and
compared with Gibson
suitable to be carried in a large pocket but are expensive when
A new cover layout tespe<:lalIV for the first three volumes) might enhance sales. They
appear to be vying for an award for the longest tllle, perhaps preventing potential readers
from purchasing what should became an essential tool. Space, costs,and a great deal of
repetitive typing could have been saved had the volume details given for each item been
simplified e.g instead of ANC 1 April 1902 p 265 -77. this might have been ANC 1 P 265+ or
C.T.G.,4, 1837.p 29-32 could become CTG 4 29+. Full details of the volumes could have
been given with the introduction.
Also published are Cornwall (130 pp £11) Devon part 1 Sources (128 pp £13.50) pt2
Family History (80 pp £11.50) which are even more expensive ( no review copy). We are
promised further County volumes for Cumberland : Gloucestershire and Westmorland in
the county series. I trust Ihal all the counties will be covered eventually but at a more
realistic price as the cost will inhibit potential purchasers.
Also forthcoming in the main series vol. 3 will cover Miscellanea
et
Heraldica (two parts), British Genealogy in Archa.eological Journals: Midlands and Northern
Genealogy in Regional Journals.
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Using the Inter-Ubrary loan system as suggested by the author I was very disappointed
to find that through my local (Surrey) library system I could order only three books at time,
and after five weeks I was informed that the books were only available at Oxford and
Cambridge Universities. The second order look less time and I received three volumes of
'Ancestor'. Mr Raymond used West Country Studies Library, and Exeter University library
and some libraries in Australia A list of all the known whereabouts of these beoks would be
a useful addition.
JoyceHoad
TARGETT, A FAMIL Y HISTORY by Sidney Targett
Sidney Targett has written and privately published an AS booklet about his Targett
family who were walermen in Rotherhithe. Over a period of fifteen years he has researched
the family, Ihe background of the places in which they lived and their occupations, building
the Information found into a very readable story.
Uke many families a branch of the family emigrated to Australia and the story of their
lives adds 10 Ihe variety of Information. A nice touch are the pockets on the inside covers
containing Family Trees and a map of the area I recommend the beck 10 members who are
thinking of writing their family histories to see how much more interesting Ihis can be with
the added information on the limes, and the area. The beck let is not for sale but for
distribution 10
members: a copy is In Ihe Society's
Sadly Sldney died this year.
We send his widow our condolences.
June Biggs
WORLD WAR 1 ARMY ANCESTRY by Norman Holding, published by the Federation of
Family History Societies 1982 and 1991. 72pp Price £3.95.
Still selling well nine years after first publication, this recenlly revised book is essential
for anyone trying to find oul more about an ancestor who served in the ranks in the
First World War.
Norman Holding gives clear explanations of the term.inology and the complexities of
Army
and guides the reader through the steps that should be taken to locale
and use the limited records that are available to track down where men served and discover
whallife must have been like for Ihem. The difficulties are not underestimaled and success
is nol assured but if you have a photograph, a postcard or letter or some clue 10 the
person's Regiment or
then you are in with a chance. With the help of this book, ils
nine pages of bibliography and extensive reference section you may be able 10 find out quile
a lot about your World War 1 ancestor.
Keith Srunton
An enthusiastic family historian thoroughly recommends
RAIN AND RUIN, THE DIARY OF AN OXFORDSHIRE FARMER. JOHN SIMPSON
CAL VERT 1875-1900
edited
Celia Miller, published by Alan Sulton 1983
John S. Calvert was a nalive of Louth, Lincs who migrated 10 the Eastern Cotswolds..
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This gentleman farmer mentions numerous names in his diary; other farmers, ag.labs,
villagers and local gentry - there is a good index.
Calvert is a keen rider to hounds, a follower of horse-racing, a great Royalist and a
loving family man. Of course the weather is dwell upon in a philosophical manner as befits a
farmer, some
some bad.
Anyone with an interest in this lovely part of England will find much that interests them.
D.K.M. Thompson (nee Evans)
lETIER TO THE EDITOR
Uke Joseph Birchenough (VoIS N08, page 297, Dec 1990). I enjoy reading the rubric
(instructions at the beginning of services) in the Book of Common Prayer. Would parents in
1991 'when there are children to be baptised' dare to 'give knowledge thereof over night or
in the morning before the beginning 01 Morning Prayer to the Curate'? What about all those
relatives driving miles 10 the church, the cake, the teddy-bear gifts and the cards? Our
ancestors managed to get through the day without so many trimmings
with just a falth, or
perhaps a push by the Parish Priest.
Parents. children and Godparents (two men and a woman for a boy, one man and two
women for a girl) had 'to be ready at the Font either immediately after the last Lesson at
either Morning or Evening Prayer, as the Curate by his decision shall appoint'. As Josephine
noticed, the Priest would dip the child in the pure water 'discreetly and warily', but only after
the godparents had stated that the child could well endure it
if a baby was weak it was
sufficient to pour water upon it. Interpretation of the rubric was changed over the years and
dipping was discontinued in favour of a little water dropped onto the forehead from a cupped
hand. Nevertheless, one wonders about the reaction of the baby baptized by Rev. Francis
K(lvert on SI.Valentine's Eve, 1870 'in ice which was broken and swimming about in the
font'.
As family historians have discovered. parsons sometimes failed on busy Sundays 10
enter baptismal details in their
stralghtaway. In the hope of preventing errors
caused by serious lapses of memory, the Parochial Registers Act 1812 ruled that baptisms
and burial details should, 'unless the parson be prevented by sickness orother unavoidable
impediment', be entered in the register no later than within seven days after the event. If any
baplism or burial took place in an extra- parochial placa where there was no church or chapel,
the officiating minister. within one month afterwards, should deliver a memo to the minister of
any adjoining parish.
Even though seven days' or one month's delay could sllll cause inaccuracies, this
ruling has possibly prevented another mother's name being changed to Sarah from Mary for
Ihe entry of her fifth child's christening and panicking recollections such as, 'Roger ye sonne
of I know-not-who was baptised I know not when'
Mrs Dora KNEEBONE (I)TTfN). 28 Ashda/e Road, Kesgrave, Suffolk IP5 7PA
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HELEN NORRIS
Retiring Secretary
June Biggs
Helen Norris, the Society's Secretary for the past six years. retired at the AGM in
April. Helen first came to my notice when we started house groups and she regularly sent
me reports of the Beckenham House Group's meetings. Her efficiency was obvious, so
when I retired as Secretary, she was someone whose name immediately sprang to mind to
take over. and we couldn't have made a betler choice. The Secretary is Ihe person with
whom members first come into contact, so it is important to be both welcoming and efficient.
Helen's warm friendly disposition was evident to all.
During her term of office the work of Secretary has grown enormously. Membership
has increased by leaps and bounds and the starting of branches at Sevenoaks and Dartford
meant a lot of work while the Society reorganised itself. Helen took on the extra work
involved and gave unsparingly of her time and expertise. The SOciety has cause to be
grateful to her for all she has done on our behalf. Her husband Mike has supported her,
taking up many tasks to help her, not least by welcoming new members to the Bromley
meetings. We hope that Helen and Mike will now be able 10 enjoy their many hobbies.
Her job has now been split into two sections and we welcome Linda Sullivan as the
new General Secretary and Denise Rasen as Membership Secretary and wish them every
success in their new roles.
ELAINE WILLlAMS - Retiring ProJects Organiser
Guy Nevill
One of the reasons our Society has nourished, is because members have always
been willing to give of their time and talents. So said a 1988 project report of Elaine's.
Although she was referring to her many project helpers, the statement is particularly apt in
this tribute to her, because she gave much time and a great deal of talent to the
advancement of the
project work.
Elaine took over the co-ordination of Monumental Inscription recording from Stan
Nash in 1985. While still carrying out that task, she then became the
Projects
Organiser: posts involving regular attendance at the Bromley monthly meetings, the
Society'S M.I. recording days and committee meetings, not to mention the 'behind the
scenes' co-ordination.
As a committee member she contributed positively to the running of the SOCiety in her
quiet and pleasant way. Her touches of humour often lightened the sometimes hard work of
along
She recognised the importance 01 recording the inscriptions on tombstones before
they were lost through the ravages of time. As leader of the 'Macs and Welly
she
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ensured that the recording of Mls in N.W. Kent made a quantum leap forward. Her friendly
persuasion encouraged many members to take up projects. AI anyone lime, her leam
would number many dozens who could be working on such diverse tasks as recording
strays, indexing newspapers, recording memorial boards and transcribing parish registers
or militia returns,
We alllhank Elaine for her contribution to the SOCiety and wish her well. Now she can
once more spend some time on her own family history.
SOCIE1:Y MATTERS
VIEWPOINT
Jean Stirk, Society Chairman
Thinking about the SOCiety while getting on with everyday things, and while
taking part in various
history activities, I am aware that not all members
are able to benefit from their membership in the same way. This raises two
questions: what would members like us to do about this, and what can we do?
There seems to be a need for local contact, particularly where transport is not
easy, so perhaps we need more
These are small groups of
members who meet in each other's homes, to share family history research problems and work on local projects, as the group wishes. A house group is an easy
way to get to know other people with mutual interests. (Contact the Society
Linda Sullivan, if you wish to consider setting up a house group).
of our search services
Members who live further away can take
and, now we have an Out-ot-Area Co-ordinator, seek her advice. (See
elsewhere in this issue). Meeting other North West Kent members is more difficult. I have had it in mind, for some time, that we need to arrange a day conference. to
out-of-area members a chance to take part in Society activities
but have been hoping for
on a theme. If you have an idea for a theme
or would like to help organise a
conference
let me know. We need
willing helpers with and without experience of conference work.
This year the Annual General Meeting was held on a Saturday with family
history 'side shows' to inform and interest members. Is this a pattern you would
like continued?
Please let me hear your views on these and any Society matters_ The committee will try to implement any
We need your viewpoint.
Shode House, Ightham, Kent. TN15 9HP
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Linda Sullivan
SECRETARY'S REPORT
I would like to send greetings to all Society Members on my election to the
post of
Although I am fairly new to the Society. I am keen to do a
people will soon get to know me and find me helpful and apgood job; I
proachable.
My
requests or other administrative matters
not concerned with
(Denise Rason is the new Membership
I also liaise with bodies such as the Federation of Family History
Societies and other societies.
I hope for a long and fruitful time in the Secretary's post. If you are in doubt
about the correct person to write to on any matter, send it to me and I will pass
it on.
BROMlEY
JilJ Valentine
As explained elsewhere in this Journal the business of the Annual
in
April was followed by itl Question and Answer session with a panel consisting of
June Biggs, Elizabeth Si!verthorne and Mick Scott (Local Studies Librarian of
Bexleyl. This proved so popular that there are
to repeat it next year. Please
start thinking of your questions now so that we can have as wide and as interesting a variety of questions as we did this year.
The members at the Annual Meeting elected the steering committee to serve
for the next year, with two changes. Joyce Hoad, the Society's Librarian, had
been nominated for election to the Society Committee and therefore stood
down, and Julie Crouch was elected as Projects Organiser. During May the committee was augmented by the co-option of Valerie de Vos who has
to act
as Publicity Officer for us.
In May the speaker was Alan Ruston who gave an outline of non-conformist
sOUrces, and in June an
of discussion groups gave members an opportunity to
knowledge informally. Twelve members bravely
to
act as leaders for
as diverse as Court Rolls and theatrical sources, and
our thanks go to them for all their efforts.
Also in May we launched OUr Birth Briefs which members were invited to fill in
and return. These proved so popular that we ran out of them, but we have restocked and now have an ample supply. Completed ones will be filed and, eventually, indexed, and will be available at meetings for reference.
We are looking forward to and planning our exhibition at Bromley Local
Studies Library from 11-25 September, which we hope will attract more people
to family history.
Sec:Mrs Sheila
rruHu,orlTl .."
59
Lane, Hayes, Kent, BR2 lLG
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DARTFORD
Gerhard Kranz
The
meeting was the first after the branch Annual Meeting, so the committee was introduced to the members. We are pleased that Josephine Birchenough has offered to look after ~branch events'; we wished her 'bon voyage'
for her trip to Australia.
Mr Brian Christmas gave a talk on 'One-Name Societies' which established
the fact that to be a member of the Guild of One-Name Studies could take up a
great deal of time and mean considerable involvement. A number of questions
from the floor proved how stimulating the talk had been.
The June meeting coincided with half-term at the college and
no heating. Normally it is not required at this time of year, but it was sorely missed. However, our speaker, Joyce Hoad, managed to warm everyone with her
talk 'Archives are Fun'. The title of her talk may have
dry and dusty,
but it turned out to be of great interest. Joyce certainly had an extremely attentive audience, many of them making notes.
We were delighted to welcome Linda Sullivan, the new Society Secretary and
Peter Searle, the new
Co-ordinator to the meeting in June. Also
we were pleased to announce that Joyce Hoad had joined the main committee.
We are looking forward to the annual buffet luncheon at the July meeting.
Sec:Mrs Jane Buller, 136 Elstree Gardens, Belvedere, Kent DA 1 7 5DW.
SEVENOAKS
LynneMafsh
Jean Harrison convened our
meeting on April 12, and tributes were
paid to Sybil
who retired as Chairman, and Jean Alien as Programme
Secretary. I was elected Chairman but the post of Programme Secretary remains vacant. Mrs Susan Pitman then told us how she use" a Goldsmiths'
Travelling Grant in 1989 to travel to New Zealand to research her family history:
she showed us some very
slides of New Zealand and
In May Mrs Jeanne Bunting gave us a fascinated talk on how to trace the connection between 'The Actress and the Chaffeur' using basic sources such as St
Catherine's House, Census, Parish Records and
elderly relatives.
Joan Sims was the actress and George Ladbrook the chauffeur to King Edward
VIII during the Abdication crisis: they and Jeanne Bunting are third cousins.
Miss
Rendel spoke to us in June on Catholic Records. Her talk was
so full of information that I am sure none of her listeners will have any problem
their Catholic ancestors. It was interesting to lea m that in the 16th and
17th centuries Catholics often used Anglican Churches for their worship.
Sec: Mrs Jean Harrison, 79 London Road, Sevenoaks, Kent TN13 lAX
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OUT -OF-AREA MEMBERS CO-ORDINATOR
Christine HiIIs{ne'e Spurrett)
Hello, I am Christine Hills and I would like to introduce myself as your OutFollowing the success of our Overseas Co-ordinator we
are extending this facility to UK members who live outside the NWK area. This is
not a research service; the intention is to enable out-ot-area members to enjoy
the same society services, as far as possible, as those who live locally and can
attend the meetings.
I will help wherever I can: consulting the Society Library which is well
stocked with books, documents and indexes relating to this area, picking the
brains of other members who between them have a wealth of local knowledge
and expertise, co-ordinating offers of help from members willing to undertake
small research tasks for expenses, and even taking photographs for you or just
obtaining a street map or local studies booklet. So, if you require help I shall be
happy to hear from you. Inquiries should be sent by post only please, enclosing
an s.a.e to:Mrs C M Hills, 16 Wansunt Road, Bexley, Kent DA5 2DO
ot-area Co-ordinator.
SOCIETY PRO.IECTS
Peter Searle
I think it appropriate, in the first report Since Elaine Williams stepped
down after long years of service, to echo the thanks and good wishes expressed
at the AG.M. and to emphasise the tremendous amount of hard work she must
have put in to the role. I say this in all humility having now been passed all
Elaine's records and feeling more than a bit nervous as a result! From what I
have heard so far, this applies equally to the branch project co-ordinators.
As Elaine explained in the last Journal, your local
co-ordinators are:
Bromley - Julie Crouch
Dartford - Tony Brown
Sevenoaks - Raymond Quarmby M.l.s - George 000
and by the time you read this, we hope to be well into the immediate task of
agreeing outstanding work and priorities and already be actively seeking your
help in bringing some of the existing projects to fruition.
Please give your local project co-ordinators all the support you can and
let them know if you can help even if your time is limited. If you can't help at the
moment, please introduce yourself and let them know you will when you can! We
need all the help we can get.
14 Links Road, West Wickham, Kent BR4 OOW Tel:081-777-6312
1851 Census Indexing Project
Stephen Archer
Work is well advanced towards the publication of an index to Lewisham
Registration District, and I hope the booklet will appear shortly. Work also
continues on the last parish which the Society undertook to transcribe and index,
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namely Greenwich. This is large (35,000 names) and the work will take several
months more. I am still looking for help with transcription, so if you are prepared
to house a microfilm reader and work at home, your assistance will be very
welcome.
90 St. A/bans Road, Dartford, Kent. Te/ Dartford 291509
1851 CENSUS - INTERIM INDEX SEARCH SERVICE
Compilation of indexes to the 1851 Census of Dartford and Sevenoaks
Registration Districts is well advanced but not yet ready for publication. To
make this information more accessible however, we offer an interim search
service, giving full names, ages and folio numbers. This currently contains
some 49,000 names and covers the following parishes: Bexley, East
Wickham, Erlth, Crayford, Dartford, Stone, Swanscom be , Darenth,
Wilmlngton, Sutton-at-Hone, Horton Kirby, Famingham, Eynsford,
Lullingstone, Kingsdown, Ridley, Ash, Hartley, Fawkham, Longfield,
Southfleet, Seal, Kemsing, OUord, Shoreham, Halstead, Chevening.
Sevenoaks, Sundridge, Brasted, Westerham. Edenbridge, Cowden, Hever,
Chiddingstone, Penshurst and Leigh.
Searches will be made for enquirers by:
Linda Meaden, Springfield Cottage, Morley's Road, Weald. Kent TN14 SaY
if no entry is found the
will be notified and a note kept to check
against later interim indexes. if the entry sought appears in a subsequent
interim index to that parish. the enquirer will then be notified. Please
forenames and approximate ages of those sought if pOSSible.
£2.00 per enquiry payable in advance + foolscap s.a.e.
Cheques should be made payable to the N.W.Kent F.H.S. and In Sterling
only.
Postal requests only please
INTERNATIONAL GENEALOGICAL INDEX
The IGI for Great Britain. and a few other countries, is available for consultation at
SOCiety meetings as follows: 1984 edition at Dartford and Sevenoaks. 1987 edition at
Bromley. It will be possible for members to have it in their own homes for
consultation by
with the Branch Secretary concerned.
Print-out Service
Print-outs of specified names and counties can be supplied; one sheet holds two
frames. 30p per sheet (and postage unless collected at a Bromley meeting) estimates from and orders direct to Mike Norris, 190 Beckenham Rd., Beckenham.
Kent BR3 4RJ.
Please note: from 220ct to 15Nov the IGI will be hosted by Mrs P. Comellus,
Northumberland Heath, 0322 332680 and not as stated in the last Journal. We
apOlogise for any inconvenience caused.
INDEX OF INHABITANTS OF NORTH WEST KENT
Linda Meaden, Springfield Cottage, Morley's Road, Weald, Kent TN14 SaY will
check for specific surnames in thiS index. Please send s.s.e. Or 2 IRCs; no search
will be made unless an s.a.e. or 2 IRCs are provided. No charge is made but
donations are welcome.
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HOUSE GROUP MEETINGS
Small groups of members meet in each other's homes to help with family history
problems and do project work. The venues are listed below and do not represent
the areas of interest of those attending.
Contacts for details of arrangements:
Beckenham
Helen Norris
Bromley
day
Julie Crouch
evening Pat Elsden
Chislehurst
Connie Kemp
Meopham
Joan Goodwins
Orpington & Petts Wood Marjorie
Sidcup
Barbara r:!_ ...." " .
South London
JiII Valentine
Sevenoaks
day
Mary Thompson
evening Jean Alien
Shirley & West Wick ham Joan Field
Tunbridge Wells
Elaine Davis
081-778-5533
081-460-0172
081-460-4501
081-467-0071
Meopham 812596
Orplngton 25306
081-303-7561
081-778-1922
Otford 2663
Otford 2202
081-777-5273
0892-39011
New groups will be formed where there is a demand. Please contact the
Secretary, Unda Sullivan about this In the first instance.
COURIER SERVICES
to St. Catherlne's House: A courier service to order, collect and p
certificates of birth, marriage and death for England & Wales (1837 on) from
General Register Office, SI. Catherine's House, London. Search will cover 2 ye
Le. eight quarters. Send a note of name of person for whom a certificate is sou(
place or area, and the two years to be searched; precIse detailS if possible c!
£7.50 Overseas readers - STERLING only please.
to Somerset House: A courier
to order, collect and post copy VI
and letters of Administration for England Wales (1858 on) from Somerset Hou
london. Search will cover 5 years. Cost £2.50 ( includes copies of 2 pages); e)
pages 25p each, will be advised before ordering. Please send a note of name
deceased for whom will is sought, place or area, and the five years to be search·
precise details if possible please. Overseas readers - STERLING only please.
Allow 3/4 weeks for a reply.
Only TWO applications per letter please, and wait for a reply befl
sending further applications. Please print names and places on applications
apply to and make
payable to Mrs Lynne Mar
25 Broomfield
Sevenoaks, Kent TN13
Please ,lark letter NWK 0
UK readers: please apply to and make cheques payable to Mrs Brenda
Reed Avenue, Orpington, Kent BR6 9AU. Please mark letters NWK UK.
NAME ENQUIRIES OFFICER
Lynn Searle, 14 Links Road, West Wickham, Kent BA4 OQW keeps a record of all
names being researched by members and will answer and record name enquiries
from members and non-members. This is separate from and complementary to
Unda Meaden's Index of Inhabitants of N.W. Kent. This service is free but donatior
to the Society are welcome to cover expenses. Please send s.a.a or 2 IACs to cov
postage.
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TAPES LIBRARY
Each of these tapes can be borrowed by members in the U.K. from Tony Field. 33
Orchard Way, Shirley, Surrey CRO 7NP for 14 days; £1.00 at meetings, £1.25 by
post - cheque/P.O. should be made payable to N.W. Kent F.H.S.
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Panel of ... ",C\I:Ir.." at Bromley
83
One-name Societies
The Actress and the Chauffeur
Non-Conformist Records
and their Background
Archives are Fun
The Catholic Record Society
Sources for the Family Historian
Family History - Game or Science
84
85
86
87
88
June Biggs, Mick
ScoU, Elizabeth Silverthome
BMan Christmas
Jean Bunting
AJan Ruston
Joyce Hoad
Rosemary Rendel
A.J. Camp
A complete list of tapes will be circulated annually.
(Apologies to members who contacted Tony Field about the tape of Peler Park's talk
on Manorial Records given to the Bromley meeting in March. Although this talk was
recorded, the resultln9 tape was technically unsound and Is unsuitable for
distribution and Tony is trying to obtain another recording. More news of this if and
when it becomes available. Ea)
COMPUTER GROUP
This group meets regularly and members use, have knowledge of or access to
various programs both genealogical or otherwise useful to the family historian. If
anyone is interested in joining or needs advice please contact Ron Anthony 3
Mereside, Locks Bottom, Orpinglon, Kent BR6 SET (0689-857565).
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INDEXES
North Cheshire fHS - microfiche series
Mls of St George's, Paynton, Cheshire (3 fiche) £2.50 UK Inc pap, £2.75 overseas airmail.
Mls of Maccleslleld forest Chapel. Macclesfield Forest, Cheshire (1 fiche) £1 UK, £1.10 O/S
airmail from Mr A.G. Clarke, North Cheshire FHS, 2 Denham Drive, Bramhall, Stockport,
Cheshire SK7 2AT. cheques
to North Cheshire FHS.
Suffolk fHS 1851 Census
Vol 6 Bury St Edmunds, St James and St. Mary (3 parts) £6.75 UK inc p&p, £7 o/s surface,
£90/s airmail.
Vol7 Mildenhall Dlst., N.W. Suffolk (2 parts)
£4.50 UK Inc pap, £4.75 ols surface,
£6 O/S airmail. Sterling only payable 10 Suffolk
Mrs J. Turner, 10 Elm Close,
Gt.Benlley, Colchester, Essex C07 BLU.
Oxfordshire Families
John P. Perkins, 24 Wlthens Ave., Sheffield S6 1WE is compiling a surname directory similar to
Yorkshire Families etc. based on the pre 1974 county of Oxfordshire. The cost to subscribers
who may enter 10 names will be £2.00 UKlEurope, Overseas surface £2.50 (US$ 5), airmail
£3.50 (US$ 7) for the booklet or microfiche £2 anywhere. Dollar bills or Sterling money orders
preferable to bankers cheques. Exlra names 5p (US 20
each. Cheques payable 10
Oxfordshire FHS and sent 10 John. Lasl entries 1sI Oct
1871 Census Plumstead, Kent (RG10 787-794 InclUSive,
A SURNAME Index to the above census has been compiled by some members of the Woolwich
& District FHS. Many Woolwich Arsenal, Royal Artillery, and Dcckyard personnel lived in
Plumstead. They shall be pleased supply Folio Numbers of a given SURNAME for a donation
of £1 and sae. Please write to Mrs
Reynolds, 54 Parkhill Road, Bexley, Kent DA5 1HY.
Memorial Card Index
Mr Phi lip Jones, 40 Reglna Cres, Ravenshead, Nottingham NG15 9AE is compiling a national
Memorial Card Index. He would appreciate photocopies, transcripts or unwanted originals and
will refund all costs including those for cards bought at antique/collectors fairs.
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QUERIES
COVILL/BOYD/
ANTCLlFFE
Brian Clilton, 6 Newells Terrace, Misterton, Doncaster, S. Yorks DMl O·
is tracing Eliza COVILL b.1837 Bsckenham d.1911 Nolts. She sailed to
New York c.l854 with one sister where she m. William BOYD & had 2 c
William 1857 & Elizabeth 1863. Alter het husband died she returned to
England & lived at Doncaster at a public house with another sister, m. n
gtgdfr GelVaise ANTCLlFF 1868 and had 6 ch. 1687-1880. Dau. Elizal
emigrated 10 Sydney, Australia c.1885 m.Mr Hill, a master builder & hac
or more ch.: a son killed in WWl and dau. Ellza who m. Tom Lucan 19C
had 4 ch.
at Doncasler was Carolina PEACE who committed suicide nl
The
station aged 35 in 1868. my grandmother b. 1872 was nam
Kings
m. John CUFTON 1896
alter her.
CASWELL/
WARFIELD/
RICHARDSON
Philip R. Wright. 384 Llckey Road, Rednal, Birmingham B4 8RZ
seeks information on Davld CASWELL boilermaker m. Sarah Anne
WARFIELD 25 Dsc 1862 at St.Paul. Deplford, both of full age. His fr. Do
CASWELL dsc'd. her fr. John WARFIELD, boilermaker. Their s. David ,
b.23 May 1864 • 33 Edward SI., Deptford. He went to Dublin c.I886-8 •
worked as a boilermaker at GWSR Inchicore Railway Works, m. Sarah
Jane RICHARDSON date unknown. Were there other siblings?
ATKINS/WARD
WE(A)THERLEY
Mrs Rae Atkins, Box 45-108, Te Alatu, Auckland 8, New Zealand
writes as follows: James Michael ATKINS b. 12 Dec 1860, 28 Giffin St.,
Deptford s. 01 John ATKINS excavator and Fanny WEATHERLEY. 188'
census J.M. grocer b. Sulton, Surrey, a boarder with Joseph LAMBERT
Potshall (?) Villas. Deptford with Susan WARD, his bride to be, dom.ser
1882 J.M. grocer s. of James Atkins dec'd coachman of 19 COllins St.,
Blackheath m. Susan at Registry Office, Lewisham. Witnesses Wm Rye
D.CrawJey. J.M & Susan lived in Lewisham area in the 19005 manager
Cullen's Store, Blackheath. Large lamily documented. In 1858 a John
ATKINS, cook of Union SI. & Mary Ann WETHERLEY m. at Parish Chu
Bethnal Green. Are they the parents of James? Was James' father a
Kentish man?
SCOTT/
SCOULLEAI
MARTIN
laln E Kerr, 'Tigh 'na sruth" 51 Clewer Park, Windsor, Berks SL4
Tel (0753) 851594 is researching George Scouler SCOTT b. c.
poss. Scotland d. c. 1909 Greenwich: occupation: paraffin dealer then
chemical foreman. Fr. George SCOTT, gardener. Mother's surname pos
SCOULLER. George's b. not in English GRO 1637-56 and not in IGI for
Scottish counties. George resident at 11 Kent Terrace, Greenwich
(lodgings?) at time of m. 24 Mar 1874 to Rose Eliza MARTIN at Albion
Chapel (Independent), StMary SI., Southampton by special licence.
Witnesses: bride's father Henry MARTIN, Mary Ann MURPHY and grool
brother(?) John A SCOTT. George & Rose SCOTT living 56 Call/art Ro
Greenwich at b. of s. Henry George Andrew SCOTT 22 Dsc 1874. No
SCOTTs at Kent Terrace or Calvert Road in 1871 or 1881 census return
Henry George Andrew SCOTT d. c. 1950 London, occupation ordnance
manuf's electrical deSigner. Henry resident 41 Cranfield Road, Depiford
South, Greenwich in Oct 1913 and m. May Martha BOND, dau. 01 Frede
George BOND and Emma Caroline MANSER b. 28 Apr 1875 North St.,
Greenwich, on 17 Jun 1899 at St.Mark's Presbyterian Church, Greenwic
They had 2 ch. Henry Frederick Norman b. 11 Oct 1913 Greenwich and
May b. pre 1911.
MrKerr is also
a database of the McTURK family in all its
variants with a
view to registering a One Name Group and
would be
from anyone with records of that relatively rarE
Scots
BOND/MANSER
McTURK/
Mac TURK!
McGURK(E)
TURNER/MANN
Mrs M.J. Turner, 6 Andrew Road, Howick, Auckland, New Zealand is
tracing solicitor George TURNER lived 1888 White Lodge Rd .• Forest Hi
Kent; m. Emily MANN 1854; known ch: Mare Anne. William, Emily, Jerol
Any help much apprsciated.
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Avenue, Tullahoma. Tenn.
LATTERIDOUCHI Julie cable (nee Maxfield), 615
37388 USA seeks info on Jamas
boolmaker and Hannah
BARTON
DOUCH 01 Sevenoaks m. 2 Mar 1812,
William 31 May 1812,James
1814,Hannah 22 Mar 1818,( who might
listed as Elizabeth Hannah)
Hannah had a dau. Julia LATIA b. 1 Apr
Sheffield, Yks, She m.
John BARTON in Sheffield 5 Ocl 1863. On marr.cert, she was
Elizabeth Hannah. Did she remarry? Can find no death for her.
clues?
GUSTERSON
L. Macinnas, 'Lynwood', Marybank, Isle of Lewis PA86 ODD seeks all
re!lerenCllS to the name GUSTERSON postage refunded,
MI NCH IN/NUNN
Mrs J. Stollenwerk, 2 Mandeville Close, Broxbourne, Herts EN 10 7PN
seeks information on John MINCHIN m. on 4 Jul 1847 to Charlotte NUNN
parish church Erith (poss, St.John the Baptist), Thomas MINCHIN and
David NUNN fathers, both genllemen, no professions and Elizabeth NUNN
was a witness. They had 7 ch. all at Commercial Road, Newport, Mon.
Alexander Thomas John 1849, Frederic 1849, Emma Elizabeth (my gr
grandmother) 1850, Charlotte Augusta 1852, Laura Harriet 1855, Edgar
Griffon 1857 and Bessie 1859. 4 of the ch. m. from Bermondsey/Southwark
1875-1880. John MINCHIN's profession was given variously as gentleman
(on marr.cert.) and silk mercer, draper, milliner and traveller after his
marriage 10 Charlotte.
SUTION
Mrs D. Pakatyilla. 172 Ryan Street, South Grafton 2461, NSW, Australia
seeks info on her gtgtgdfr William SUTION s. of William SUTION b.
c, 1818 Sevenoaks, He was christened protestant and could read and write.
He was convicted In Kent on 6 Aug 1838 of highway robbery, sentenced to
life in Australia and was shipped aboard the Woodbridge 16 Oct1839, He
had lines of lellers tattooed on his arms SSAXS and
YSMSFSTSSSSSGSASDSAS. What do they mean?
T(H)OMPSETI/
WESTBROOK
George Fox, 72 Braemar Avenue, Southbourne, Bournemouth BH6 4JG
seeks m. of glgdfr Alfred T(H)OMPSETI, b.1845 Westtirle SS X, and Annie
WESTBROOK, b.l840 Godalming SRY. Later they lived at Surbllon and
had greengrocery bUSinesses in Wimbledon and Kingston.
CAUAN
Brian Callan, Ryston Court, 37 Busseys Lake, Bradwell, Near Gt.
Yarmouth, Norfolk NR31 8HG seeks information on his gtgt gdfr Robert
CAliAN who lived in West Wick ham according to Parish records from
1808-20 but where he
from and where he went after 1820 cannot be
traced. Reciprocal help at
Norfolk County Record Office is offerred 10
any member who can provide any information or is willing to investigate on
his behalf.
TANNER!
LUXFORD
Mrs S. Tanner, 2 Hospital Road, Sevenoaks, Kent TN13 3PH seeks origin.
and d.o.b. of Anthony TANNER and his m. to Martha LUXFORD bp.
Grinstead 1644. They appear in Ditchling SSX in 1673. Also
whereabouts. after 1S33 (when their father died in Wivelsfield SSX) of
Mary, Maria. Anthony, William, Elizabeth, Harriet & Richard TANNER, the
last four of whom appear in Hampstead in 1854,
The
welcomes OUERIES for insertion in the
They should be written as concisely
as
using standard abbreviations for birth, mamaae. death, son, daughter, etc. No
charge is made, but donations are welcome.
OFFERS OF HELP
5gl. Alan Bazzone of the Port of London Police has sent the following booklets and articles
which are deposited in the SOCiety's library:
Search for Trouble (riots in the West India Docks 1877)
Assault on Constable Gi'lln~ (at Surrey Commercial Docks 1878)
A Deadly Toast to Tolhurst death of a constable in the London Docks)
Policing the Ports all by A an Bazzone. plus
.
The Killing of Constable Smith by Len Woodley of Thames Valley Police and
James and Thomas Be/cher 1880s Boxing Champions of England by Harry Belcher
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GREEN STREET GREEN. ORPINGTON
Noted by Josephine Birchenough (nEle Redhe
Our member Sue Benfield has recentl acquired a draft of an Indenture dated 30th April 189
Harriet Waring, widow of W.T.
ampstead. It was drawn up 10
a new Execl
and Trustee of the will of her late
• made necessary by the death
one of the trush
nominated in the original will.
Local interest is in the Schedule of the real estate owned by the original testator
Orpington
Farm at Green Street Green, In
(Foxbury Wood, Foxbury Fields.
with the live
and dead stock and furniture,
The George (and Dragon) Inn and cottage adjoining at Farnborough with
garden. orchard, etc.
Lady Croft Field and Perthills, land in Farnborough - 19 acres.
2 cottages, gardens and pond in Farnborough on main London/Sevenoaks
road. in occupation of Mrs TIle,
Summer Field (8ac,) and Long Dean (7ac,) land in the parish of Orpington.
Total area 83ac. 2r, 8p,
A photocopy of the indenture has been deposited at Bromley Local Studies Ubrary. Sue hop
that this document may be of use to some member of the Society. in repayment for the help
which the Society has given her. The copy Sue sent to us will be added 10 the Society'S Ubn
collection.
Mrs Tessa Leeds, 'Oaktrees', Morley's Road, Weald, Sevenoaks, Kent TN14 SOU, has
completed a local history diploma course investigating the construction of the Sevenoaks
Railway Tunnel, in its day the fifth longest in the country, She has extracted the names of 0'
400 men and a few women who were employed on the work and offers to check her index
please send an s.ae.
Miss M, Bi9gs, 39 Nightingale Rd" Petts Wood, Kent
lBH has extracted a considerable
of Information from an old souvenir programme
Startania by Brenda Girvin with
Archibald H. Benwell performed during July 1907 in the grounds of Ashbourne, Lau
Park ' ... ~,r... ,,,,,, in aid of the League of Mercy, There isn't room to quote all the names of the fl
cast as
as the supporting roles. members of the four(!) committees or the many advertisl
as there are hundreds! The cast alone,however, shows the following names: Miss Stewart, E
Davis, Miss K. Baxendale, Kalhleen Charles, Molly Purchas, Jessie Robertson, Yvonne Ruff,
Lorna Rothney, Dulcie Chiesman, Doris Clarke, Joyce & Sylvia Chiesman, Dorothy Andrews.
Dorothy Perrolt, Miss Charles, Joy Tomkins, Vivian Stewart. Miss Davis, May Richards,
Mackrell, Charles V. Slewart, Calder Turner, Jack Marriott, Edgar Walmisley. Mr
For information regarding the names mentioned. please send an s.ae. plus a lOp sta
10 cover the cost of any photocopy,
PAPER MAKERS AT DARTFORD AND HORTON KIRBY
Mr L. D. Avis. 160 Henderson Drive, Dartford, Kent DA 1 5LQ, a retired Paper Mill
Superintendent, who spent 35
in the industry, has been checking the transcriptions of It
1881 census for Dartford and
Kirby (RG11/8S5 and RG11/869). He has extracted the
names elc of people working in the industry. Write enclOSing an s.a.e. if you would like him 10
search for a name. Below is a list of those born outside of Ken!:
Adams. Fifeshire SCT;Aitchison, Newton Grays SCT;Austin Cambridge CAM; Bass, Ipswich
SFK;Bentley, Birmingham WAR;Blake, Willon WIL;Campbell, Manchester LAN;Campbell,
Widnes LAN;Capon, IRE;Cheat. Bicester QXF;Danes, LND;Dear, LND;Dobson, Scotswood
DUR;Dolden, Hornchurch ESS;English, Edinburgh SCT;Dukes, South Lambeth SRY;Fryer Hi!
Wycombe BKM;Gardner, Kingsland LND;Graves, Grainsby LlN;Henderson, Penicuik
SCT;Hodges. Woolslone GLS;Hunt IRE;Hulchison SCT;Lynn (31. Sunderland DUR;Maclvor,
Edinburgh SCT;Masson, Kincardinshire SCT;May, Allenwood CUL;May (2), Ivybridge DEV;M,
Pittsilverton DEV;Moore (2), Pange SRY;Morris. Dublin IRE;Murray, Edinburgh SCT;Nicol,
Aberdeen SCT;Nificent, SCT;Palerson, Edinburgh SCT;Peary, Paddington LND;Richardson
Carnarvon WLS:Rogers, Co.Dow,] IRE;Smilh, Durham DUR;Snelling, Norwich NFK;Spalding,
Coven! Garden LND,Spaldlng, St.Johns Wood MDX;Stewart, Peebleshire SCT;Tame. Lambe
SRY;Wade, Slowmarket SFK;Websler, Norwich NFK;West, Coces End BKM;Whittick, Balh
SOM;Young, Worsley LAN.
He has also extracted the names of alllhe GUNPOWDER WORKERS at Dartford, Kent who
are recorded in the 1881 census, the following were born outside the county:
Chester, SAL;Comyer, Helston CON;Farrel, IRE;Hawes, Brill OXF;Laurence, Bailie
SSX;Spurgin, Southminsler SSX;Wren. Wallon NFK.
FEDERATION OF FAMllV HISTORV SOCIETIES
Conferences 1991
28 Sep
West Middlesex FHS Open
at St.Peter's Church Hall, Laleham Road.
Stalnes, Middx, 9.30-5.30.
admission - books, indexes. help with
research, light refreshments, car park. meet other FHS. Contact 0784
451639
28
Third Annual Conference of the Association of (Scottish) FH Societies al
fee £5, buffet
Contact Conference
the Royal College of Surgeons
Secretary,
The Scottish Genealogical Society,
Victoria Terrace,
Edinburgh EHl 2Jl enclosing s.ae.
12 Qct
'War and Peace'
Naval. Military
Air Force Records. Day Conference
Huntingdonshire
at
Queen
Elizabeth
School,
organised
by
- Mrs. K. Wright. 14 Horseshoes
Godmanchester. Cost £5. lunch £3.
Way. Brampton, Huntingdon. Cambs PE18 STN, enclose s.a.e.
19 Qct
North East F.H. Conference
by Cleveland FHS at the Arts Centre,
Darlinglon. Cost £5 plus £5
B&B at a hostel available. Details s.a.e.
to Mrs CA Mclee, 3 The
Kirklevington. Varm, Cleveland TS15
9NW.
2Nov
'All Dressed UpI' - 9th biennial Day Conference of the SQG at New
Horticultural Hall. Westminster, Vincent Sq., London. Theme: Those who
Wore special clothes or distinctive dress. £15.00 SOG members, £IS.50
non-members lunch nol included. Details s.a.e. to the Society 01
Genealogists. 14 Charterhouse
s., Goswell Rd .• London EC1M 7BA.
Advanced Day Schools will be held
the Institute of Heraldic and Genealogical
Studies. 1991
6 Nov, 4 & 7 Dec, 199 - 5 Feb & 11 Mar. Also a residential course
22-24 Nov 1991. Details s.ae. to The Registrar, IHGS, 79-82, Northgate,
Canterbury Tt 1BA.
CALLING MEMBERS IN THE U.S.A.
Ruesh International, an agency which specialises in foreign bank drafts and
foreign cheque conversions have vll<:t!l\;ltlU their address - 1350
Street
NW, Washington DC20005, Tel (202)408-1200;(800)424-2923. The latter Is
a toll free number which is used to place an order.
N.W.KENT F.H.S. PUBLICATIONS
Society pul)\icati()ns are available at Bromley, Sevenoaks and Dartford meeting:
also by
from Mrs Ursula Bull, 31 Granville
Kent TN13 11
+ 40p pap
West Kent Sources: A Guide to
Research in the Diocese of Rochester
Overseas
1851 Census Index 17,000 names
Bromley Registration District
Overseas
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£2.90 + £1.10 pap
1851 Census Index 32,000 names
Woolwich Parish
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£5.95 + 60p pap
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