thirty yeabs later
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thirty yeabs later
THIRTY YEABS LATER & HE'S STILL IN THE PUB! Rod Tal ks To Exclusively Snr iler About MTV Unplugged, Next Years UK Tour, The New Album & Aretha Franklin's "Big q Old Knockers!" ON SEPTEMBER the l0th 196/., nineteen year old Rod Stewart arrived at Decca's London studio to cut his first single 'Good Morning Little Schoolgirl'. For twenty-three of the thirty years that have followed he has been a household narne, enjoying the kind of treatment normally reserved for royalty, as well the luxuries a personal fortune estimated at many millions, can buy. In 1994 he is an undisputed rock legend - one of only a handful living. But anyone who claims success has spoiled Rod couldntt be more mistaken. Rod outsida tha pub! {photo.' Ivrtt.bcr Bourke) He Many criticisms have been levelled at Rod remains our most down to earth and during his long career and one of them has been the suggestion that he has lost contact unaffected superstar. Despite the trappings of wealth and his luxurious lifestyle in Los Angeles, Rod has lost none of his Britishness. He is the rock star with the common touch, a genuine man of the people. There's nothing he enjoys more than a game of football followed by a few pints in the pub. His best mates are members of his team and band and he remains close to his family. He also went to great lengths to keep in touch with his roots by ensuring both his children with Rachel were British born. - his British audience in particular. This interview proves this claim to be nonsense. Rod knows that Smiler is run by his fans and it is to Smiler that he chose to speak to exclusively during his recent two month stay in Britain. With the exception of a brief interview he granted Hello magazine to accompany the pictures of baby Liam, this is the one and only interview he gave! Whilst New Musical Express crave for an interview with Rod, (they recently told us if we could persuade Rod to speak to them, they would guarantee him the front cover) this is the fifth with his audience interview he has granted Smiler in just over seven years - more than he has given New Musical Express. Rolling Stone and Melody Maker put together in the past seventeen years! Absolute proof that Rod does care about his hard-core followers. In this interview, which took place in the pub (surprise surprise !) over a few pints, Rod talks about his music and plans for the future including the success of 'Unplugged and seated', the forthcoming European tour and his next studio album. Read on...JG SMIIER: It's tlrirt lears b since you went the studio for the frnt drne, did You tltittk you'd be siting herc all these lears later talking ahu ,nusic? ROD STEWART: I didn't realise it was thirty years ago until I read it in the Scottish papers the other day. It's just past - it was September n I lOth. At the time I thought it was a quick way of getting my hands on a few bob and I thought if it lasted a year I'd be happy. I had no idea it would last this long - but I knew sitting in the pub thirty years later! I'd be SMIIER: Wrot ,tas been your favowin SMILBR: Over the post srr years lou luve gadully drifian fuck to the Mercwy olbums for yow live ,naariol playing songs likc 'Mat dolin Wind' for thc ftts tit u qver. Was tltat something tou decidcd b do younelf, or r'as it a rcaction to the critics wln have alwoys scid tlrot tlnse albums contained yow bcst wor*? Arnold had to push me. I don't th ink I ever react to critics really. Arnold's been pushing me to do those songs because he feels there's an audience for them. His favourite song is 'The Killing of Georgie' and that's another one I want to do when I play Europe next year. When I put that one in I th ink we' Il have covered the whole field. I probably wouldn't considered putting it in if it hadn't have been for the 'Unplugged' album because I never thought there was an audience for it. During the 'Camouflage' period I attracted such a young audience, especially in the States, but now I seem to be pulling back the older crowd and they want to hear those songs, and the younger crowd do too. SMILER: When you p@en MTV Unplagged, why did you ignore a bt of period oYer the thitty yean? the laU seventies and eighties naterial? It's hard to say. The future is always the best period for me and I'm looking We didn't. We actually tried'Forever Young' and we rehearsed a lot of stuff, forward to next years European tour. The last s ix or seven years have been phenomenal as far as record sales go and of course 'Unplugged and seated' is one of the biggest albums I've had since 'Every Picture Tells A Story'. It's going to be hard to follow that - so I won't! SMII^ER: Of all the albums you've made tltnugh the yean, are there ony tlrot loa regret naking? Probably 'Camouflage'. Although it gave us a couple of big hits with 'lnfatuation' and lSome Guys Have All The Luck', it was the one album I didn't have anything to do with the production of. I just threw myself in the hands of the producer and said "Go on, I'll do whatever you want me to do". I think I lost interest a bit. In any career you can't be one hundred per-cent hot all the time. but it just didn't lend itself to the album. It would have been pretty pointless doing 'You're In My Heart' because we couldn't have done it any other way. We tried to change 'Maggie May' by putting the slow verse in, but a lot of the stuff wouldn't lend itself . If you look at that eighties period, I didn't really do very acoustic material. A couple of much Dylan things I could have done acoustically, but I th ink the choice we made on the final album was good. We tried 'lt's All Over Now' and we tried 'Sweet Little Rock 'n' Roller' acousticalll,. bur hundreds of things we tried just weren't up to scratch. SMILER: WouU you consider doing an Unplugged II and playing some of the moterial loa didn't include the fint MW time? I'd love to when I get the new album out of the way. I'm not worried whether it sells or not, I just think there's an audience fcr it. Although I don't think it SMILEk At d wlut ahw the age nnge? would have been as big as it was if it wasn't for 'Have I Told You [ately', because that was such a big single the That's never worried me, second time around. Americans. thev do come along and enjoy themselves. Some are in their fifties and sixties, we ve even had people in their SMILEk Were lou slncked when the album went irrto thc Billboard chor8 at No. 2? Yeah, totally shocked. I never thought it would, to me it was just a live album, and live albums traditionally don't do very well. When I play it now, I think it's got some wonderful rough edges and some wonderful emotions. Some odd people come up to me and say how much they love it and how much they listen to it every day. Jimmy Tarbuck for instance! He told me it was the best album I'd ever done and he listens to it every day in his car. So maybe there is room there for a volume two. I'll get slagged off for jumping on the bandwagon, but fuck 'em. SMILER: Do you plan to revive an! mrrne oU naterial on next yearr tow? No, only 'The Killing Of Georgie'. I think it' ll probably be more or less the same show as we played in the States, plus four or five tracks from the new album. It'll be in the round, with a bigger stage, because I want to get a hydraulic thing that gets rid of the fucking orchestra, because I can't snnd looking at them all night! It drives me up the wall. SMII-ER: I-ost tirnc we spoke I asked if wcre going to play 'Handbags At d Crladngs' Eye and you said deftnitcly not! lou That was before the'Unplugged' album. Everything changed with'Unplugged'. SMILEk Was it a vantd b pW Eve? song you'd always It's a good song to sing. 'The Killing of Georgie'is a bastard though because it's got so many verses! SMILEk How did you fu the audience on the 'Unplagged' tour? Were thel Evely as uswl? I thought they were wonderful. u I don't care what age group come. As long as they enjoy themselves and I find that with the eighties! You know. they do come and enjoy themselves. but I don'r f ind that in th is country. SMILEk You seem to be druwing a tounger audicncc oyer there thot, over herz. I think that happens all the time. SMILER: Ib you btow why? Good fucking music mate, and some people have just discovered it. I think that's what's happened. Did you read that article in the Independent on Sunday? I think that guy [Nick Hornbyl put it in a nutshell. He said when he used to go and buy my records. he'd go back and find out where the originals came from. and I think there's a lot of that goes on. He's a great writer isn't he? He's really good. SMILER: You wear headplnnes on stage now - lnw did they help you? We didn't cancel as many concerts - that's how much they helped! SMILER: Wrtat difference do they ntoke b yow sinsins? The best way to explain it is that it's the same as when you go to a football match and you're shouting and hollering - when you get home you find you've lost your voice! If you were to shout and holler in a stadium when there's no-one there,you wouldn't lose your voice. because you'd know how far to push it. So what I was doing before was trying to get above the band. What the earphones do is give me a perfect mix. First of all they give me my voice as loud as Ican possibly make it, which I can't alwavs have with monitors, because it's all in the air and the band are behind me playing loud. This gives me the perfect pitch - in other words, I don't push my voice. I've never sung as good as I did on that last tour. You saw some of the EF I I'u. & lbq Ftctg: Str'.rt, 7996 t*oa: @ft c.rtbs) Wood tt wobloy iz 7986' gigs, I mean in the old 9.Vt_ I used to itiuggle to sing 'People Get Ready' and Jeff (Golub) loves playing that one. SMII-Ek You don't ftttd thcY sbP lou running ahut? No - I wish I'd used them ten years ago. SMILBR: Where did You get the idea b use them? Ricky Farr who does the sound and lights. He actually tried to get me to wear them but I wouldn't have any on the last tour, of it. I said n No, fuck off , people will think they're hearing aids!" Now I think anyone who doesn't wear them is a mug. It saves your voice. AnYbodY who's having voiie problems should wear them. They're just tremendous. It wos surprising to sce lan in the ba nd. Mn't You bth seriously fall out at one tirru? I don't think we actually had a verbal falling out. It all goes back to that last SMII-ER: IIIcI-agan album we did with the Faces when Ronnie Rod' aty' thcy wiIT gour i! and Mac accused me of not taking much interest, and they were right, I didn't. I'd just finished my own album and I didn't - it was 'Ooh L^a La'. there was probably a bit of give a shit about it I think resentment there. They all turned round and said "You c***1" But we're the best of mates now, and Mac's playing is tremendous. SMII-ER: How dfuI he come fut d? b ioin the I saw Woody when we were doing the 'Unplugged' album. I nfact, I must have seen Woody for two months, nearly every night of the week! I was looking for someone to play and he said "Why not give Mac a ring?" I said "No, he's a miserable bastard" and he said "No he's not actually. I've just done a tour with him and he was fine. " So I gave him a ring and he said 'Yeah, I'd like to do it. " SMII-ER.' So all past differences are forgotten? Yeah, everything's fine. We're still trying I'm having lunch with Kenny to work out - - this Jones tomorrow Faces re-union. SMIIER: Is it rcally going n happen? Oh yeah. Once the Stones finish their tour, next August and be finished around next Christmas, then we can think about it. I'll SMILER: There was a tirru when you scid the Faces wottW nqycr get fuck bgether and tltat it wottW he a poinfl.ess don't know them. 'Silicone Grown' don't think anyone would know - I it. 'Memphis Tennessee' wouldn't mind doing and 'Cindy Incidentally' - those two. If we did just two, that would be enough. 'Cindy Incidentally'was a good record. I SMILER: Is it sill iuprtont for you to Itwe a hit single? As much as money in the bank. selling tickets, ego., or what? erercise. I think there's moie of an audience for it now than there probably was two years ago. I say that because I went to see Woody play on his little solo tour and the Faces songs went down better than the Stones things he did! The people just loved them, and what with the Black Crows coming along, I think it's the right time. It's not going to be a big tour, not the Wembley Stadiums or anything like that. Six nights indoors at Wembley would be just right, but we've got to find a bass player. I'm keen on having Bill, but I'm the only one at the moment. SMIIEk Mac soid he fancicd h,aving C.omine Rojas on bass. Yeah, Carmine would be fabulous. SMIIfr,k For loa seemed then- For b the Faces spl\ be reluctant to talk ahu yeara after a few years yes, but time heals everything, you'd be surprised. As the years go by you grow up a little bit and I've realised how good they were. They were badly good! SMILER: h you ever ploy their oU albums? When they all came out on CD me and Mac sat around listening to them. We were never great on record, a great live band, but I don't think we ever captured it in the studio. SMILBR: When yoa tow are you going b pW oU Faces songs Ahe 'Miss Jttdyfs Form' ot d 'Silbone Grown'? I'd love to play those songs, but people SMILEk lbes it stiil gtvc loa a thrill? Oh fuck yeah, it really does. You really need a hit single to launch an album. SMILFn: Do you fitittk it's as irrwttant as it was tcn yean ago? Unless you're Pink Floyd, I still think it helps. Maybe if the Stones album had had a hit single on it, it would have sold a lot more than it has. If it had 'Start Me Up' or something like that it would have been a runaway success, although I haven't heard the album yet. But I think we all need something to launch an album off. It's like a springboard. SMILER: How do loa rate low contempories nowadoys and wlut they're doins the Sbnes, Bowic, Elton, Ib you tokc note, do you McC.antcy? Iook at them? "I went to see Woody play on his little solo tour and the Faces songs went down better than the Stones things he did! The people just loved them.i' "l've got a family now. Whereas in the old diVs it wasiust me - I couldn't wait to go on tour shagging and drinking!" Bowie hasn't made a record for ages, I never really was a McCartney fan, and the last Stones album I haven't had a listen to apart from the single, which sounds like 'l,osing You' to me, it's the same chords. SMIIfr,k How ohut thc clut&, do You syer chcck out the comPetition? n l Los h Angebs? Yeah, but it has to be someone really special, for me to get in the car and go and see them. When lou were 30, lou said bc ntnning anund the stage, wearing silly clothes, when Yoa were 40... I lied ! When lou werc 40, You said ohul reaching 50. So lnw do SMIIER: the sanu No, not really. I don't think I'm going to radically change what I do overnight at my stage of the game. I love Prefab Sprout and Aerosmith make good records, I like some of the re:ords they make, but apart tiom that it's Sam, Otis and MuddY. SMILER: Do you go and see furtds SMILEk there wos ,n ws! you were still going to you see younelf h tcn Years time? I can't answer that. I don't think anybody could see what they're going to do in ten years. SMIIER: Arz yoa going to do a Frank Sirrafru.? I don't know - what is a Frank Sinatra? I could never see myself walking around the stage singing. I think during the next five years we'll see whether I should give up or carry on. It's impossible to say, maybe if I hadn't had any success with the last few albums I'd have given it up five years ago. SMIIfrR: Yeah, if Reolly? everything had gone sour. SMILER: You wouWn't ltwe gone hack to playing smoller venues? No. I don't think so. Idon't need it that bad. SMILER: Can you teU us a little bit about Gasoline Nley Recotds? I've got nothing to do with them. Nothing financially whatsoever. They just borrowed the name. SMIIfr,R.' So lou don't pick ony of the funds? [b,a wi f c: Rrc.bcl wiEh 2 ya,rr old Rcrrac r f aw days af t,cr t.bc bi rt.h of .triem (pboto PtuI Duffy) They'd like me to. Maybe when I get a bit more time I will, that's something me and q In thc pr:.b witb, brotbcrs Don [LcfEJ Woody talked about once. It would be the e:tsiest thing to do, pick a band, put them together and make them play and write the songs for them - we might do that (pboto.'pru]. Dufty) rad Bobby frigbtl and do it. t " SMILER: Is Sting a mate of youn? one String? Yeah, he's fine now. We had a day. good old laugh. SMILER: Is it tue tltat yoa attd Robert Polncr on going to record a duet? It's for Power Station. not for Robert's album. They haven't sent me the track yet. The album's finished and John Taylor asked me to do it and I said " Yeah I'd love to", but I haven't heard anything about it since. SMILER: Wasn't therc a IUIe bit of Aoublc on his plane at one time arrd didn't he cluin your gatcs up? Oh those days. thc 'AIl For l-ove' singlc with Adarrrs and Bryan Stfutg? According to Bryan, they were sitting around writing it and it was always going to be a three piece, but they couldn't think who, and then suddenly they thoughs "Oh fuck, Rod's got do it. " Bryan was a bit apprehensive about bringing the whole idea up in front of String lsicl. because of what's gone down over the years. but then String said " Yeah. that's great. Lrt's go , that's al I true. He was deeply serious and Iwrote on the plane "Cheer up you miserable c***, String. SMILER: How did you get involved with Yeah went through this period where everything " So he got Basher who was working for him - remember Basher who used to work for me - and they chained my gates up. M y security guard caught them just as they were putting a padlock on and he got his gun out and they ran off. I think String felt a bit bad about it the next morning because he sent round bunch of flowers saying a "l'm sorry, it was only a laugh". lt was good fun doing the video with him. We do a bloody good version of it live, it was fucking great, because I've got the three singers who can do it. conceft last year? Chrissie Hynde - I think her voice and mr voice would make a good combination. I didn't enjoy it. I don't think Elton else. SMIIEk How was thc ,4retlu FrunHin enjoyed it very much either. She's really reitly shy, which I hope it is, or she's just arrogant- We tried to be all friendly but she didn't really talk to me or Elton. SMIIfr,k Ind lou sce the PWback? Yeah. I saw it the day it was done. You can't compete with her when it comes to singing. She was absolutely fabulous. SMIIER: I tlnught You arrd her sbh the slrow. il Yeah I enjoyed it, but I really wanted to get to know her, but she was really very closed off. I think she was just real proud to have me and Elton on the show and she was shy of us, really shy. Her tits fell out, I turned round and saw her big old knockers! Oh fucking hell! Some of the dresses she wore were unbelievable! Those big old knockers - I saw her when they fell out. She turned to me and went " Oops " and went off the stage and put them back in! It was a good night though Dustin Hoffman was there and Robert de Niro. SMIIER: How did the BobbY Womock taek comc ohut? Other than that I can't think of anvbodr SMILER: Dwing thc seventies attd eut! cightics yoa uscd b release a nev olbum ever! !cu, now it takes a lot bnger. whv? Making the album doesn't take longer. it's just that the tours have got longer and I'r'e got a family now. I can't be in the studio and go on tour. Whereas in the old days it was just me and I couldn't wait to get out on tour - shagging and drinking and drinking and shagging! Now, I've got a family to bring up. SMILER: Do you feel loa luve younelf cach tirru a liltle mtrtne b better as you've got ta Eve up to? Yeah, there's that as well. SMILER: Can you tcU zs ahut the forthcoming olbum? I had a meeting with Trevor Horn todav and we've actually got an album finished now. Twelve tracks are done, a couple of sets of lyrics have got to be finished, and we're going to go and write a bit more in November so we can have fifteen tracks so I don't get complaints from you about Bsides! There's no title yet and there's some Woody got me into that, because it came out on his label and he asked me to do it, he said 'Come or, you owe him" and I said "Yeah, I really do". It took us a long tin,e to get it done, but talk about the teacher and the pupil! That's really how I felt. H is voice is just tremendous. I haven't heard the track yet. It was only a little tiny bit I did. tracks that haven't even got titles yet. There's a couple of cover versions, but I don't want to tell you those really, in case someone picks them up and does them before me. It should be out in the new year. probably April. SMILER.' Is there anYone really Afu b sing vith? It's hard to tell. at the moment there else You'd SMILER: And most of it ls original ,notcriol? 12 tracks and we're going to are do 15, then pick the twelve that will be on the album. "I tell you what - I don't know what happened to 'Lead Vocalist'. lt all finished up in a heap of shit really, 'l SMIIfr,k low Hovc loa written onything on own tltis tirrre? No - you sound like Rob Dickens! He says "Get your guitar and write a song on your own. n You're right, I should. SMILEk lt's arguably the beg loa'Ye qcr done! Alright! There'll be one on there fitfr - mark my words! SMIIEk Is it going b wos rcpofied tlrat loa be acoustic? It wcnc serbusly corcidering doins an all<cousic alban- The next phase of it will be acoustic, yeah. There's some really good old rock 'n' roll tracks on there though. SMILEk Are loa ushg the cunent furrd on it? Yes and there's a new guitar player joining when I get back. His name is Gresham, I think. He was with John Mellencamp and John Mayall - so he's the Rod oD &c Anpluggc,d tour t&io yc,ar (phota: l(tggie Eteel) crrJicr songs released as a single, so I got a bit of bash round the head there. I started losing my confidence. That was the 'Vagabond Heart' album - 'Rhythm Of My Heart' was first, then 'The Motown Song' and Cregan. 'Broken Arrow', and that's the first time an album has ever been released I think, where at least one of my songs has not SMIIER: Is Mac still in the furrd? been a single. new guitar player alongside Golub Yeah, Mac'll be someone and in the band. Mac is I'll bring in right at the end when there's piano and organ to do. He lives down in Austin, Texas now with Ronnie I-ane. SMIIfrk Wlrat luppencd to thc 'Once in a Blae Moon' alhum? if it's relevant to the new album, because that That's a good title, but I don't know wils all going to be for the album that was SMIIfrk Arc you prducing this album" or is it Trcwr wln is dohs il all? There's four or five that I've done, two or three that have been done by Danny Kotchmar, and there'll be five done by Trevor - all cover versions they are - and then there'll be five done by me and Trevor. SMILEk How do yoa feel ahat prducing? Everyone sqys the best ,rratcrial loa've done is the wlut you'ye prduced younelf. Well my confidence took a bit of a bashing a few years back, not so much the producing, but the songwriting. There wiu one album where there wasn't one of my called'[rad Vocalist'. SMILER: Was it going to be a completc album at onc time? Yeah and it should have stayed that way, in retrospect. I'll tell you what, I don't know what happened to '[,ead Vocalist'. It all finished up in a heap of shit really, because there were some good things that escaped. I don't know how that came about, but it ruined the album. I don't think people wanted to hear those old Faces things again. Actually, it didn't help the 'Unplugged' album either, because we released two albums in the space of three months and record companies have their If one artist gets too much money spent on him, even if he's released two budgets. I albums, all the others get pissed off. So in Europe I don't think 'Unplugged' got the promotion that it did in the States, because we didn't release 'lJad Vocalist' in the States. What we did was we took five tracks from 'IJad Vocalist' and kept them Oh, you like it. I thought it was a bit fey. I'm surprised. I thought you would have turned round and said you didn't like it. We've just done another one on the new album, it's a much better song than that. for the new album, and they're the five that will be on next years album. song. SMIIfrk h bw pnfrle over here at the momenl Is we an going b hear thcm? Yeah, and they are better than the five tracks that we put out, if you get my drift. It's called SMILEk AIso rcbascd last lear wenc Yeah, what was that? Was that on an EP, or what? I never saw those. SMILEk Thsy wenc all on singbs. Oh, they were B-sides and extra tracks. I didn't think '[,ove Wars' was very good, n il but I enjoyed 'One Night'. SMILER: Wos there an! couUn't ltave been on ncoson why thcy 'Irod Vocalist'? tltat a deEbcrute thing? I don't know, we had a lot of SMILEk 'LoYc I in fte NSht Hands' was pictures think the press probably realise that what we do now is we give the to Hello magazine so we can pictures control what they look like, otherwise they sneak up behind hedges and you get all these horrible scrunched up photos. Then we sell them and the money goes into Liam's bank account so he's got a few bob in the bank. So I think they probably thought well fuck it, you know. They know they won't get pictures of the baby until after they've been in Hello. SMILEk Next ycar when lou come fuck orrd bw ane you going b be playing a mbaue of indoor and outdoor Srgs again? It looks like it, No, none at all. I like that SMILER: You sccm to be kceping a Yer! taken. sornc out&kes fnm 'Vagahond Heart': 'One Nightt, 'I^ovc Wotr', 'Let The Do, Bcgin' orrd 'LoYc In The fflglrt Horrds'. 'Separate Ways', yeah. SMILEk Are lou going to do Wemblcy Stadium? greaL I don't know, that's the one I'm toying with. I don't know if I told you, I didn't want to play Wembley again. I'd rather stay at Earls Court and get settled in there and make it the venue for l,ondon and if we're going to play in the round, know how we can do I don't it at Wembley Stadium. Everyone says we can, but I prefer the indoor gigs. ,4re lou wonied ahut heing on ot thc same time as the Snnes? SMIIER: the nd Well it's not only the Stones. I think Elton and Billy Joel are touring. No, I'm not worried about it. It would be better if they weren't there and it would be better if Elton wasn't there. SMILER: Are you ever going to play Bajoying footbl'll I lrugh tftc.r (phoco: f,ettlcr Bourkc) r g.nc of any low-key small secret gigs to wann up, like the Stones played at the 100 "I get really pissed off with people getting awards that shouldn't get awards. EspeciallV when it comes to Grammy's." Drinkiag partaers.. metcg (phoEo.. lletthcr Club a few yeans ago? I could do. I think we're going to warm up somewhere in Luxembourg .I don't think it really means much whether you play in front of 600 people in a place or whether you play to 6,000. A warm up is a warm up, you know, as long as it isn't somewhere important. SMILER: I)on't you eyer get the urge to just get up on stage? I could now . now we don't have th is trouble with hearing myself sing. We could literally play anywhere. We could go and play the Marquee or something. SMILER: Ib you still lute prcmotional videos for It's not my favourite making singles? ,I Rod yi th AIe,a, of bis SMILER: How did you feel awatds you got last year? ahu aII the It was nice. It's nice to get an award. I'm not too keen on award shows. I get really, pissed off with people getting awards that shouldn't get awards. People that ROD STEWART \I'AS INTERVIEWED ON SEPTEMBER l4th 1994 BY JOHN GRAY. PHOTOS AS CREDITED. TO MATTHEW SPECIAL THANKS house BOURKE, PAUL DUFFY now. I've got a mobile unit and I love it. If the drum snare skin breaks, I go and play w ith my rrains or pur some Dubbin on my foorball boos. As opposed ger Grammy's that shouldn't get Grammy's. I think there's a lot of people that should be g iven awards that have m issed . Espec ial lr when it comes to Grammy's. When ),t-lu think that Christopher Cross had five. arrd what the fuck 's happe ned to h i nr'l must adm it. I've got the attention of a flea! There's so much down time. Ilike recording ar the day bast Bourkc) HALL. & VAL SMILER 1994 to a studio, where if something goes wrong for an hour. we go down the pub and by 1 o'clock I'm as pissed as a fart and don't get anyth ing done ! lDoN'T M|SS PART TWO OF TH|S EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW' IN ISSUE 42. OUT DECEMBER!] I