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Achieve Your Goals Podcast #724 Phase Meditation (An Interview with Jesse Elder) Nick: Welcome to the Achieve Your Goals Podcast with Hal Elrod. I'm your host, Nick Palkowski and you're listening to the show that is guaranteed to help you take your life to the next level faster than you ever thought possible. In each episode, you will learn from someone who has achieved extraordinary goals that most haven't. He's the author of the number one bestselling book, "The Miracle Morning," a Hall of Fame and business achiever, an international key note speaker, ultra marathon runner and the founder of VIPSuccessCoaching.com, Mr. Hal Elrod. Hal: Hello Achieve Your Goals Podcast listeners! This is your host Hal Elrod and today we have a guest who is unlike any guest that we're ever had before and unlike anyone you've ever met before. In fact, a woman recently saw him speak. He spoke at a comedy club. He had four hours of improv, but it wasn't just comedy - it was comedy, it was philosophy. And she approached our guest today, she approached him after and said, "I feel like I've been punched in the face and received the best hugs of my life after the last four hours with you." So I don't think there's a better way to put what this gentleman can do: punch you in the face and then make you feel like you're loved, hugged, all in one. So he'll challenge your thinking. In fact, Jesse Elder is our guest today. And I'm on a few of Jesse's different websites just getting ready for the call or the podcast today and I want to read this because I think this sums up who Jesse is and what he's about. He says, "It is my intention to bring you the best of what I've learned during my studies and travels so that you might experience yourself thinking and acting in a way that truly honors your gifts in this world." I don't know about you but someone that HalElrod.com/072 that's their intention behind everything that they do is somebody that I want to spend some time with, I want to get to know. So Jesse, is that accurate, what I just shared? Jesse: Hal, it's just an honor to be here, dude. And to hear you reading those words with the way you live your life is like if I had a bucket list, I would check that item off right now. Hal: Awe, man! I appreciate that very much and I appreciate you. Now, punched in the face and hugged. I've never felt punched in the face by you. Maybe I need to go to one of your trainings. Jesse: When she said that it was one of those, such a backhanded compliment. I can't imagine ever punching a woman in the face, like that's just nowhere in my makeup but I get where she is coming from, because she felt really confronted by some of the things that she heard and I think that that's not necessarily a bad thing. When we can begin to question all the stuff that we think is true and instead of asking whether it's true, we can ask is it valuable? Is it useful? And she clearly found that there were some things that she had been really holding onto that were no longer serving her and once she made a decision to let those things go, I really, really created a lot of breakthrough for her. Hal: That's great. For me, my context as a huge mixed martial arts fan, a big fan of the UFC, I see fighters get punched in the face all the time, and they hug it out, so literally I'm like, God, that actually for me that makes sense, these guys get in a fist fight, usually agreed upon and then they hug it out at the end and they respect each other, so I think you did a great service for that woman. So before we dive in, Jesse, I want to share a couple of things about Jesse. And Jesse, he's a martial artist. He got into martial arts when he was young. I'll let him tell his whole story but an American martial artists, he's an entrepreneur and he's a self-mastery teacher. Back in the day, he opened a martial arts school in San Antonio and then he opened seven more. So again, really a serial entrepreneur. He's a behind the scenes mentor of multimillionaires and he's up there financially himself. He's the creator of "Mind Vitamins," which is a video series that again, gets you to think differently and act differently in a way that really allows you and honors your gifts in the world. And he's also the founder of the "Upgraded Life," which is an online course. I'll probably invite him to share if any of you're interested and you want to learn more HalElrod.com/072 from Jesse at the interview today, I'll let him share with you where you can go deeper. And he also runs a training called "Gamma" and I've got a good friend, Jeff Latham, who is very successful and just again, good friend. He's actually in my Mastermind program as well. He raves - before I got to really know Jesse, Jeff was just raving about Jesse. He raves about his Gamma training that Jesse, you do there, in Austin, Texas, correct? Jesse: That's right, Hal. Hal: Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, so much value. So much value. And I will tell you this, the last thing I'll say about Jesse is I was at an event recently. In fact, I did a podcast, yeah in fact, Jesse I was just talking about you. I did a podcast called "My Five Thousand Takeaways" from the Arch Angel Academy event, which was a $5000 event and Jesse was a speaker there. And of every speaker there and technically there were over 100 speakers because everyone got to stand up and give at least a two minute speech. But Jesse, you were in my top two. I will say, tied with another person for the most impactful speakers at that event. So, thank you for that. Jesse: I appreciate hearing that, Hal. Thank you. Hal: Yeah. So let's start with - give us, who is Jesse Elder background wise? Like how did you - I know you had kind of an interesting upbringing and some challenges with your dad being incarcerated. I would love for you to share with our audience and with me a little bit about how you came up and got to where you are now. Jesse: Yeah. Well as life happens, you can look back and you can kind of condense everything and you can extract the lessons. I've done the best I can to do that. The biggest lesson I will never forget, I was nine and a half, almost 10 years old and my mom sat me down in this little trailer that we lived in in south Texas and she said, "Do you know what the word indictment means?" And I said, "No, I don't." And she said that, "Well, your father has been indicted and what that means is that he's going to be arrested and he's going to go before a judge and jury.” And fast forward a few months later, that's exactly what was happening. And he was found guilty on 13 counts of aiding and abetting illegal aliens. And essentially what happened is, if you back up a year prior to that occurrence, he took a leave of HalElrod.com/072 absence from his job as a school teacher in San Antonio to run a halfway house for Salvadorian and Guatemalan refugees during the mid-80s and he really saw that as an act of conscience. He saw that these are people who were not trying to cross the border to get a job or to try and just mooch off the system. These people are literally fleeing for their lives because of all the political unrest that was happening down there at that time. And he saw it was happening literally in his geographical backyard, the way that he saw it, and he saw that there was something that he could do to help and so he decided to. So we moved from San Antonio where we were living at the time down to Harlingen, Texas and he took this job as a director of a halfway house for Central American refugees. He was paid by the Catholic diocese down there, was running the show. And it was also very much against Federal law to do that so the hammer came down and he was faced with the choice to either stop doing what he was doing or continue and face the consequences. He chose to face the consequences and as it turns out, everything worked out fine. He ended up not going to jail. They agreed to let him off early as long as he didn't tell the press because the press loved this story. Hal: Wow! Jesse: So that was a really powerful example for me as a 10 year old to realize that whether or not somebody agrees with you or disagrees with you, even if it means doing something that is technically illegal, ultimately, you get to the make the choice about what you think is right according to your values and you always have a choice. Hal: Yeah. And then there's always a consequence for action or inaction of what you do or don't do. Jesse: That's right. Hal: Yeah, yeah. Wow! Now, you got into martial arts when you were what, seven years old? Jesse: It was actually around the same time, Hal. I was nine doing martial arts quite frankly as a way to kind of deal with some of the stuff that was going on. Hal: Yeah. HalElrod.com/072 Jesse: And martial arts really quickly became an outlet for me. And I just loved the physicality of it. I loved the training of it. What ended up happening is, fast forward to my teenage years and I was assisting in class and teaching and by the time I was 17 I told my parents this is what I want to do for the rest of my life. Hal: Wow! And then you started competing right? By the age of 20 you were competing throughout the U.S., Mexico, from what I heard, no holds barred. I mean, some regulated, some not. Tell me about that. Jesse: Quite an interesting chapter of life. I'd done a ton of karate tournaments like a lot of kids growing up. But at the time, I was also working as a bouncer and I was getting ready to open my first school. I was 21 years old. And Thursday nights, they decided to start having fight night in this club I was a bouncer at. And they thought it would be a great way to bring people in and it was. The UFC was really gaining in popularity so they started having these fights and literally would just roll out a mat on the dance floor and two guys would sign up to fight. No rules, no safety equipment, no weight limit, no time limit and basically, two guys just walk in there and you see who was the better person that night. And I really traced those experiences back to a lot of the philosophy I embrace today, which is only results matter. Theory doesn't work if it doesn't produce a measurable result and that's a huge part of the issue that I have with so many "gurus" and coaches and everything out there. Coaching is an unregulated industry. You don't need any qualifications to coach, which is great news for those people who actually have value. They don't need to go through some sort of BS certification to get a letter after their name to create value in the world. But the downside is, that there're a lot of people out there that probably shouldn't be coaching because they don't have any actual results of their own. Hal: Sure. Yeah. Yeah, there're a couple different kinds of coach. Number one is a trained certified coach where they went through a training, right? And then number two is somebody who actually has experience that they can draw from and they coach from that. And number three is all of the above, right? It's yeah they've gotten results like you've said because if all you have is theory, it'll take a client or a person so far, it will take a client so far, it will take the coach so far but you can only go off of what you read in the books so long without being able to understand what it's like to go through it and get to it and achieve results. HalElrod.com/072 Jesse: Exactly. And I think you just summed it up perfectly. You can't get knowledge from a book. You can get ideas from a book but ultimately words don't teach. Hal: Yeah. Jesse: Only experiences teach. And that's the foundation of everything that we're doing now with Upgraded Life, with Gamma. And a huge part of what I know you do too, I mean, you impact people experientially and so much of that is because of your story and because of your experience. And I think that's one reason why you and I get along so well is because neither one of us has much tolerance for theory that doesn't produce results. Hal: Yeah. Yeah, I absolutely agree. Talk about failure. I'm a big fan of failure if you will, I mean, I think it's our greatest asset. You shared some adversity that you've gone from, but what about a failure? What about a goal - This is the Achieve Your Goals podcast, so we kind of bring everything back to how we can we learn from your experience on what you've overcome, what you've achieved, goals in your life and then what lessons have you extracted from that that you can share? So starting with failure, what was one of your most notable failures that maybe it was the most difficult, the most painful, or maybe the most proud in the way you were able to overcome it and what did you learn from that? Jesse: Man, that's awesome! The first thing that I think of is the day that I got the keys to my first karate school and I was convinced that that little piece of metal was going to somehow magnetically attract thousands of students to my door. I really remember looking back at that key now and thinking this is literally like a magic wand and all I need to do is turn it everyday to open the door to my karate school and everybody is going to rush in. And yeah, I don't think so. That's not what happened at all. And I walked into the school and I was immediately greeted with the sound of silence. And I realized that there are no people inside the school who want to take my class. All the people are outside so I need to get outside and that was a really humbling experience to realize that nobody actually cared how good of a fighter I was. Nobody cared how good of a teacher I was and most people didn't even know that I was there so I learned really quickly how to communicate in a way that was authentic and powerful and clear and very quickly HalElrod.com/072 was able to develop a sales system and a marketing system that honored what we were doing in the school but also made our school quite a bit of money as well. Hal: So share that, I'd love to know personally. I'm sure our listeners are quite curious too, how did you go to an empty school to not only one that was filled with students but one that was filled with so many students that you were able to scale it and open up six more schools? Jesse: Well, you know what? It really came down to this, the best ad that we had was a well-trained instructor. And so for myself starting with me and then my staff, people that started working with us, you've got to be in shape, you've got look the part and not only do you have to be physically in shape, but you have to be emotionally in shape. If martial arts is teaching confidence and physical fitness and self esteem and sharing all these life skills, you have to be the embodiment of that so you can't be all grumpy cat and like walking out there and like expecting people to sign up with you. So it was really a lot of that basic personal development, which was actually very profitable for us so going to a mall on a Saturday and just approaching people with a guest pass, not soliciting, but simply saying, "Have you gotten one of these yet?" And they'd go, "What is that?" And we'd say, "It's a guess pass to our karate school and my name's Mr. Elder and I'm an instructor over here at the martial arts school and have you ever taken martial arts before?" And it was such a novel conversation for people because martial arts is kind of life sky diving, some people have been, most haven't but everybody's thought about it at one point. Hal: Sure. Jesse: And what happened is we would just literally make hundreds of introductions every week because we knew that that was the one thing we could control. We couldn't control whether they said yes or no. Our philosophy was some will, some won't. So what? And someone's waiting. Hal: Someone's waiting. That's right. Jesse: And we don't know whose life we can change or not but we owe it to the community and we owe it to our families who we're trying to support through this, that we have to get out there and support everybody so it was very low tech as far as any sort of digital marketing or anything but it was actually very high tech as far HalElrod.com/072 as social engineering and really just being a great human being, the best you can be and then not being shy, just getting out there and telling people who you are. Hal: For me, that I think is the secret to success in business or in selling is you define your process, which for you was the going to the mall or going to public places and contacting people and handing out those free passes. You define your process, you commit to the process and then you do so without being emotionally attached to your results. Jesse: Yeah, exactly! Exactly! Then the process takes care of itself. Hal: That's exactly it. And you go in and you go out, "Yeah I'm going to get a bunch of no's, it's fine." It's part of the process, right? That's my process, maybe it's 20 no's to every yes or 100 no's to every yes or 10, or I mean, just everybody is different. But that really the success inevitability kind of secret is like if you just commit to your process, doesn't matter if it's going if it's business or working out. If you just run on the treadmill or go for a jog or go to the gym or whatever 30 minutes a day, five days a week, you can't help but get results, right? Jesse: Love it! Yes. Hal: Can't help but get results. Jesse: Without question. Hal: Cool! So speaking of results, what are your two or three best tips for our listeners on what you've implemented in your life, whether it's philosophically or strategically, I think the more actual probably the better but your best strategies on achieving goals? Jesse: Well Hal, I mean I've been tremendously inspired by your writing and by your book and when I first was recommended, first person recommended me to read your book, I actually was in a strategic coach workshop and everybody in the room was raving about it so I figured, all right, let me check it out. And I'd heard your name a bunch of times. But everything you talk about in there, I mean, that's like a master's class on accessible personal development and so when I read the part where you were talking about medication and then you're talking about affirmation, I was just really happy to see somebody talking about that who was a real person and not just somebody spouting this stuff on an infomercial or wearing HalElrod.com/072 white robes at the front of a temple or something, all due respect to people who do that but... Hal: Sure. Jesse: It's like, we live in the real world and if your meditation isn't practical and if your medication doesn't give you energy and give you power, if you're doing it to tap out of life or you're doing it as an escape, I don't have any patience for that. That being said, I practice a particular type of medication, which is, if I had one thing that I could do and every other personal development, personal growth, personal focusing tool was taken away, this meditation would absolutely be it. There're four phases to it. It can be a four minute meditation or a 20 minute meditation, but this is like I think so many of us just complicate meditation and it's really not that hard. It's literally the lowest tech, most simple thing you can ever do in your entire life. You literally just do nothing for five minutes or ten minutes or 20 minutes. And this is the hardest part, the hardest part is knowing how easy it actually is, just don't do anything for five minutes. And if people can achieve that, I think they'll find a tremendous wealth of energy and resourcefulness and clarity that will start to come as a natural result. So that would absolutely be my number one productivity tip, is just get quiet, get horizontal, lay down, sit, close your eyes, don't freaking move for five minutes. Just breathe, and let your brain think whatever it wants to think. Of course, it's going to be jumping around. You've been agitating it for the last 30 years or 40 years or whatever. So just let you brain have that five minutes of chatter time and just learn to be cool with that. And eventually, every day your brain's going to chill out, you're going to start to get out of that beta state, which is all stressed out. You're going to drop very naturally into alpha or go even deeper and you can get all the way to theta, perhaps even delta although not usually in a meditative state. But man, it's so simple and all of my best ideas now come from meditation. My best insights about relationships come from meditation. And it's something that I'm really passionate about sharing and teaching now because it's like you do three hours workshop on how to meditate and it's like you have access to cosmic Google. It's incredible! Hal: I love it! Cosmic google, that's great! So can you break that down for us? Can you break down these four phases or four steps? HalElrod.com/072 Jesse: Yeah, yeah. I can give an outline for sure. So really the first phase is quite simply just presence. Just getting present and that means allowing your brain to kind of shut off what it is that's happened that morning or that day or that week or whatever else. And I probably don't have the time to go into it here but there's a very specific way that you can breathe, there're specific phrases that you can use, but the bottom line is just during that first, let's say, five minutes out of a 20 minute meditation, just take five minutes and do nothing but remain absolutely still with your eyes closed, preferably covered so you don't have any sort of ambient light distracting you or affecting your brain waves. So that's just for five minutes and then you can set a little timer, a little app on your phone to just ding very quietly and that will be your trigger to go into the second phase. The second phase is called "active appreciation." Now this is one of the more controversial parts of the meditation that I'm teaching. I don't use the word gratitude and I haven't for about three years now. I believe in the emotion of gratitude and I think that the emotion of gratitude is something that is incredibly powerful and rejuvenating and I think it's a beautiful thing. The word gratitude, however, is something that I realized comes from the word gratis, which means free in Latin, and I don't believe in something for nothing. I think that's an energetic non-event. So active appreciation means that there's always something that we can focus on to then give a silent blessing or give a very active appreciation to and again, these are probably the same emotions, gratitude and active appreciation. I just began to observe people in coaching and people that were coming to our programs that when something good happened, they immediately went to gratitude, which is awesome. It also took them out of the driver's seat from a creator's standpoint and it made them feel like something was happening first instead of being able to see the role that they were absolutely playing in that benefit coming to pass. So this second phase of meditation, active appreciation, is simply looking backwards to the morning, to the day before, to the week before, to the decade before, and just going through a steady stream in your mind of things that you've appreciated. It can be people that have been in your life that you appreciate. It could be a gift that you were given. It could be an accomplishment or an achievement that you've experienced. It could be an obstacle that you've overcome but you just continue this stream of backward facing achievements, look back over HalElrod.com/072 your life and you just give appreciation. Now, what that does is totally puts you in this state of confidence because confidence comes from evidence. You can fake enthusiasm, but you can't fake confidence. Confidence is only born of evidence, you can get yourself all pumped and say, "I'm a UFC fighter. I'm a UFC fighter. I'm going to win!" And you'll be totally enthusiastic right until the bell rings. And then the enthusiasm buckles very quickly in the absence of evidence. Hal: Yeah. Jesse: Confidence only comes from evidence. What you're doing in the second phase of active appreciation is you're building confidence because of all the things that have already happened. And then you roll into the third phase, which is called "pre-paving." Pre-paving simply means to play what if from a positive sense, not the negative problem solving sense that a lot of us get caught up in. What if it doesn't work? What if I fail? Blah blah blah. Well, why not play what if in a positive sense? Why not imagine things working out the way you'd like them to? And many people get this wrong because they try and visualize from a place of unhappiness. They don't like the way things are going so they close their eyes and immediately try to picture the way that they wanted to but that's vibrationally very out of whack and that's a very technical spiritual term, out of whack. Hal: That's right. Jesse: They're like in pain and they're trying to get out of pain by picturing pleasure. Well, you can't create something brand new from a place of resistance. You can't be in a place of cursing what is and create something beautiful that you want so that's why we do the second phase first, or we do the first phase of active appreciation, that second part of the meditation before we begin pre-paving so you're already in a state of confidence. You're already in a state of appreciating. And from there, it's very easy for your brain to go, "Oh wow! Look at all this other stuff that's already happened." So yeah, not so much of a stretch to imagine getting the raise or to see myself driving that car or to imagine myself having this incredible connection with this person that I really love and respect and care about and it's like your brain doesn't call BS anymore because you've already filled it with all these other positive experiences. HalElrod.com/072 And so, the third phase of pre-paving is literally just letting your imagination go and that's beautiful. However, it's incomplete by itself. And so, we have one more phase in the meditation so phase four is called "allowing." Quite simply, just allowing. And this can show up in a lot of different ways. It can look like your body just receiving the benefits of just being chill for a few minutes and your heart rate has come back to normal and your cortisol levels are dropping and your stress levels are reduced and you've got dopamine and serotonin and these just wonderful chemical cocktails in your brain that are just making you feel really good. Well, maybe that's what shows up when you just allow that to happen or sometimes you get ideas. When you and I just before we started recording here, I was sharing with you about this tour and I got the idea in meditation during this fourth phase of allowing and I got the idea to go on tour. And I thought well, "Why not?" There's this message that is helping a lot of people and I want to help more people so literally like Kevin Costner in that old movie, "Field of Dreams," and it's like if you build it, they will come so I flew to Bucharest, Romania and we had 300 people there for an all day event with three weeks’ notice. Hal: Wow! Jesse: And it was just fantastic! And that came as a result of this idea, we call them downloads, these personal revelations. So there's literally nothing that you can't receive during this phase of allowing and we've had people now reporting in the meditations that they're going into the meditation with a very specific question and then because of the impact and the compound affect of each of these first three phases, by the time you get to this fourth phase, if you go into it with a sense of expectation that you're going to get something out, the universe delivers. And people are reporting just like ridiculous clarity. I mean, one guy who's an entrepreneur, he went into the meditation, he came out with a perfect idea for his next income stream and I talked to him about two months later and it was already producing six figures for him. Hal: Wow: Jesse: So there's really no limit to the amount of creativity we have access to. There's quite a limit to what we'll allow ourselves to receive so that fourth phase is really important. HalElrod.com/072 Hal: Beautiful! So are four phases of mediation. I love the phases because I think meditation without purpose lacks the optimum benefit, right? Jesse: I call that a nap. Hal: Yeah. So many people I always hear that, "Hal, I fall asleep in my mediation. Is that okay?" I'm like, "Yeah, it is, but I think you're missing out on the benefit if you're sleeping during it." Jesse: That's right. Hal: So no, the intentionality behind what you just shared is fantastic! And we'll make sure to put that in the show notes so people can put into their notes, which hopefully they are if they're driving, they can go back to halelrod.com/blog, find the Jesse Elder episode, and then you can get the four phases of meditation. So Jesse, we'll start to wrap up here. I'd love to know personally what is your number one goal. This is the Achieve Your Goals podcast, it could be your number one goal right now, it could be your number one goal on life, your mission in life. What for you stands out as what really if you achieved that goal, you'd feel just complete or not complete but accomplished. You know what I'm getting at. Jesse: I think basically what it comes down to is I've been so blessed to have great role models in my life. And I've had role models who showed me through their actions what was right for me and I had a lot of role models that showed me through their actions what was not right for me. And they're both equally valuable and so I do feel some responsibility to pass that on. But I know that my ability to share the message is in direct proportion to my own happiness and my own health and so really my goal is just a continual upwards trajectory on those two things. And so I can sum up my lifetime goal in a couple of words and it would be happy, healthy, happy, healthy, happy, healthy, happy, healthy, dead. Hal: Got it. That's the journey. Jesse: That's how I expect things to play out. Hal: Got it. I love it. Happy, healthy, dead. There you go. The life of Jesse Elder. Jesse: Yup. Happy or healthy, happy or healthy or dead. Here lies the happiest man I ever knew. HalElrod.com/072 Hal: That’s great, man! I love it! I love it! And you are and it's authentic, which is what I like about you. It's total transparency, which is why that women felt like she was in a good way punched in the face because you're very real. You're real and you don't tell people what they necessarily want to hear, you tell them what they need to hear. And I love that about you. What's the best piece of advice you've ever received, whether it's a quote, a mantra, a guiding principle that's helped you? Jesse: Don't do it by yourself. Hal: Don't do it by yourself. Jesse: If there's a result that you want to experience, even if that result is just simply life, it's enriched and it's amplified and it is deepened and in many cases, the results are accelerated by being around the right people and you don't have to do it by yourself. You're not alone. You don't have to live this quiet life on the inside where nobody understands you, where you feel like other people don't get you or where you feel like other groups get it and you don't. There's never been a more exciting time to be alive. We have so much opportunity and yet the reason why drug abuse is so rampant and why there are so many addictions that are happening all over the world, including being addicted to entertainment, being addicted to sports and being addicted to the movies and all these other things because all those things are an escape from our actual life. And so if there's one piece of advice I would share is you don't have to do it alone. You can be around people, people who are in a Facebook group or in an online group or people that are part of a book club or you can join a Mastermind or join a coaching group and you don't have to do it by yourself. And if there's somebody who's getting results that you want to get and they're kind enough or motivated enough to share that then man, just do whatever it takes. If somebody wants to make more money, I will always tell them the number one thing you can do and you really don't have to change anything else, but you want to make more money, three words: get richer friends. Hal: Love it! I love it! And nothing can be more true that you are - Jim Rohn said it, "You are the average of the five people you spend the most time with" and it's so true. It's true. HalElrod.com/072 Jesse: So you want to be happier, get happier friends. If you want to be more fit, get fitter friends. And if you can find a group that does all of that simultaneously they're getting better emotionally, they're growing financially, they're getting in better shape physically, they're developing their relationships, they're becoming more connected to God, to the creator, whatever that is for them, well man, yeah, some of those groups are expensive but I can't imagine the alternative. Hal: Yeah. Yeah I mean, if I look at my own life, everything that I am, everything that I've learned is just little pieces of the people that I spend time with or the people whose books I've read, right? I mean that's it, I'm just a big culmination of all these other influences in our life and we all are. And that can either be a really good thing or for most people, that could be a really bad thing. Jesse: That's right. Well, the thing, Hal, what you do so good, man, you have this enthusiasm that's contagious and the thing is that it's real and I've seen you that way when you're talking to one person and I've seen you that way when you're talking to bunches and bunches and bunches of people. Like, what you see is what you get. And but I think that that's what makes guys like us rare but there're more and more of us and if people are listening to this and they're not part of your Mastermind, they darn well should be if they care about their own growth and their own family. And if it's not yours, mean, get in somewhere. But it's just not going to happen by itself and that really is the time machine. The time machine is to get around those people and I could hear somebody listening to this going, "Listen to these two coaches talk about how great coaching is." But here's the thing, it's like the universe isn't stupid and I mean, I hear people every week that say, "Jesse, I've almost got my product built, I'm going to coach people on this,” whatever this is, particular thing. And I say, "That's awesome! How did you learn that?" And they said, "Oh, I taught myself." I said, "Okay, cool. What are you going to charge for that?" And they say, "I'm going to charge $10,000." And then they come back two months later and they say, "I haven't sold anything. Nobody wants to pay me." I said, "Well, you're attracting the client that you are." I mean, it's just like, you want to do all the handwork and then have everybody pay you the money but you don't go into the gym expecting your relationship to improve and you don't spend time in your relationship expecting to get a six pack. And then you don't spend time with a financial planner or a wealth coach and HalElrod.com/072 expect that that's going to improve your marathon. I mean, you get back out of the investment what you put in the investment. If you want to make more money, well, learn to invest money in yourself. You want to get a physical return, well put the physical effort in at the gym, we call that the law of parallel returns. You can only get back what it is that you're putting out, so if people really want to make more money but they're not willing to invest in themselves, that's like betting the farm on the weakest horse in the race. You're actually betting against yourself if you're not investing in yourself. Hal: Yeah, and for anyone listening who money is tight right now, start with a book, right? I mean, start with a $15 investment, you don't need to sign up for a $2000 course if right now financially that doesn't make sense. Jesse: Right. Hal: But you've got to start somewhere and I know for me, I mean, it seems like the story for most people that are successful where when they weren't successful and they had no money they found a way. They put it on a credit card, whatever. And I'm big on being financially responsible so I would never tell someone to put themselves in debt to do something but it's how committed are you to your success. You find a way, whatever that means. Jesse: Without question. Without question. Hal: Yeah, fantastic! If somebody wants to get a hold of you or they want to go deeper with you I, know Upgraded Life, I think you and I spoke offline, I think you've got 140 members now that are part of your Upgraded Life program, what's the best way to get in touch with you, to find you, to learn more about your work? Jesse: Yeah. I mean, the easiest way is if they're on Facebook, just find me on Facebook. I'm pretty easy to find: Jesse Elder. If they're interested in getting the Upgraded Life for their own success library, we'll put a link here in the show notes that people can go to and that'll be really easy for them. And if they are an entrepreneur and they really want to get a time machine and they want to make a lot more money a lot faster and essentially get paid for being themselves, not for amassing a bunch of complicated technology tools, if they're an entrepreneur, they can apply for Gamma for our private Mastermind. They can just go to HalElrod.com/072 jesseelder.com/apply and the password is "choice." Jesseelder.com/apply and the password is "choice." Hal: Got it. And the Gamma is the program that our mutual friend and your client, Jeff Latham, is a part of it and just raves about. Jesse: Absolutely! He is rocking it, he's such a good guy! Hal: Yeah. Yeah, he is. A good guy, a funny guy and very successful in his own right. So well, cool, Jesse man, you and I could talk forever and we'll be in touch offline I'm sure, sooner than later but thanks so much for coming on the show today. I really appreciate you. Jesse: Hal, my pleasure man! The appreciation is mutual. Hal: Cool. All right and everybody listening, appreciation right back at you too. Thank you so much for your time, your energy, your attention. It really means more to me than you know and if there is anything I can do to add value for you, don't hesitate to reach out. Go to halelrod.com, send me a message. I am happy to connect and anyway I can help, I'm happy to do that too. So I will see you next week. Until then, set extraordinary goals, go out there and make it happen. Achieve them because you really deserve nothing less. We'll talk to you soon. Nick: Thank you so much for tuning into this episode of the podcast. So now what we want to know what were your big takeaways from this interview with Jesse. Simply go to halelrod.com/072 for episode number 72 and leave a comment there in the show notes page letting us know what your big takeaways were. 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